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Oracle Releases SPARC T5 Servers; Too Late?

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the sparc-of-life dept.

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First time accepted submitter bobthesungeek76036 writes "On March 26th, Larry Ellison and always with fashionable haircut John Fowler announced the new line of SPARC servers from Oracle. Touted as the fastest microprocessor in the world, they put up some impressive SPEC numbers against much more expensive (and older) IBM hardware. Is the industry still interested in SPARC or is it too late for Larry to regain the server market that Sun Microsystems had many moons ago?" El Reg has a pretty good overview of the new hardware; the T5 certainly looks interesting for highly threaded work loads (there's some massive SMT going on with 16 threads per core), but with Intel dominating for single-threaded performance and ARM-based servers becoming available squeezing them for massive multi-threading, is there really any hope in Oracle's efforts to stay in the hardware game?

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frosty piss; too late? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292653)

In b4 APK

Re:frosty piss; too late? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292739)

Wow, I cannot believe my mom stooped so low...

My mom called my doctor and said to him "What's the most accurate measurement for weighing?"
The doctor said "An underwater weighing test"
And just like that, my mom said "Yes. When can my son and my daughter can take it?" and the doc said "Today at 2pm."

So, I didn't bother taking a shower and so did my sister too, so I had to get into a special swimming suit(tight pants...Ugh).

My sister said "Can I pull my hair down to a ponytail?" The doctor said "No."
So my sister with her long, blonde hair went underwater with 8 seconds and had she must enjoyed it..but I didn't.

My sister had to wear pants and a bra, so she enjoyed minutes of going underwater. I didn't take a shower and she didn't too.

Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair into ponytails, but they don't. That's what she did.

The reason for this topic to not get too confusing is that don't you guys like to see teenage girls in a tank with their hair and their body soaked and wet? That's the reason for this topic.

You want a detailed summary of what happened today? Alright, here goes:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister.

She called the doctor and wanted to schedule an appointment for my sister and I and today was the only day they could get us in. So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to(since I got up at 12pm and she got up at 12:30p.m.) It goes on from there with the underwater weighing at the doctor's office.

My sister constantly talks about her hair. "Should I wash it?" "Should I pull my hair up or leave it down?" Stuff like that. It wasn't my idea to take this underwater weighing thing. The doctor puts you in a tank (and I didn't have a shower), makes you do certain things of breathing, and you put your head underwater for a few seconds. Not hard at all.

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I taken my underwater tests, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.

About the hair:

Everytime I go swimming at the YMCA, I see girls having their hair down and it doesn't disrupt them when they are swimming because it would get in the way, wouldn't it? You know if you've ever seen girls at your school that grab their hair and they look like they are going to pull their hair up, but don't.

About the shower:

Both my sister and I didn't feel like taking a shower yesterday because it was around noon time and had little time to get ready to go to the doctor's office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. I DIDN'T ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT WAS MY DAY OFF FROM SCHOOL?! MY SISTER ENJOYED IT BECAUSE SHE HAD LITTLE ON GOING ON, WHILE I DID!

About the reason for the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister. I didn't enjoy the test but my sister did.

Again about the hair:

I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back so it does or does not get in the way but the doctor said she couldnt for the underwater test through we had not taken a shower either

About the shower:

So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to so I didn't take a shower and she didn't too. Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair up, but they don't. That's what she did.

More about the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. So I was mad at my mother and I wasn't going to take a shower if she said I had to but she let me skip the shower. Anyways I wasn't thinking well and was saving time (saving time by not taking a shower too) so I posted the topic title that I thought of because I was mad.

More about the hair:

She skipped the shower around noon. As said same goes with me. Then we took the underwater tests. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. Before that she tried to put her hair up but she wasn't allowed to. The doctor said no. So she did to her hair like what I see when I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back.

About the water:

The water is located in a room that is different than the office. It is in a different location. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in a different room than the doctors office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in the room with the water.

About the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale.

More about my sister:

My sister was in tight clothing due to the test. My sister was wet just like me because the test was in a tank of water. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports brain the room with the water. My sister did not wear tight pants and a sports bra in the office. My sister had to change into tight pants and a sports bra in the restroom before we got into the room with the water. I too had to change before and after the water room and did so in the restroom.

About the test:

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I completed my underwater tests which were underwater, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

This process then goes repeated for my sister.

After around noon I did not take a shower. Then the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. I did not drown or lose oxygen during this process.

About the clothing:

My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra. I had to ware tight clothing as well.

About why I'm mad:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test.I was happy with the off day from school and I got a off shower day too. Then we had to get tested underwater.

She's 17 years old
Long hair
Tan
Usually has her hair up but like I the doctor didn't let her so she made her hair like the girls I see down to the YMCA where people pretend to pull their hair back.

My sister enjoyed the tight clothing. My mother forces us to take showers. However we had an off school day and I guess was nice and gave us an off shower day. Nether the less I would not have took a shower due to my anger. I would have enjoyed the tight clothing but however I was angery due to the test so I did not enjoy so.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.I couldn't think of a topic so I said "Stooped so low."

About the house:

The house contains a kitchen , two bathrooms, a living room, a dining room, three bedrooms and a basement. Like I said I got up at noon did not take the shower. My sister did not take the shower. Then we went to the underwater test.

My sister also did not take a shower before taking the underwater test that got us wet. My sister found it enjoyable to be in the water because for the underwater test she was required to ware a sports bra and tight clothing. She and I got wet in the underwater test. Is it not enjoyable for you guys to be soaked and wet in tight clothing ?

I find it enjoy able to be wet in tight clothing. She was wearing tight pants and a sports bra and therefore found it enjoyable.Same for my sister. However it needs to be said that showers I do not find enjoyable. Same goes for me sister. Yes if I am going to get wet I would prefer to be in tight clothing. Because I enjoy being wet in tight clothing . Same goes for my sister. We were both wet during the underwater test.

I do look at girls at the YMCA when they are swimming. I mean have you ever watched what girls do to there hair at the YMCA. Watch girls at the YMCA. You will see the girls do that. I saw my sister do that too after the doctor said she couldn't put her hair in a ponytail.

I think I made mistake somewhere. I was in the room with her and so was my mother. However only me and my sister took the test. We each got in to the tank seperately. She was waring a sports bra and tight pants and had not took a shower that day. The doctor said she couldn't so she did was those YMCA girls did.

My sister and I did not take a shower because our mom let us have an off shower day. Then we went to the underwater testing that caused us to both ware tight clothing and get wet. Really its not a big deal that we had an off shower day. Due to the fact that I spent a lot of time underwater in clorinated water it killed the germs anyways. It also killed my sister's germs irregaurdless of the fact she was in tight clothing.

I do not like showers because I do not like getting wet if I am not in tight clothing. The same goes for my sister. However it needs to be said that my sister did enjoy being in a sports bra and tight clothing. I take showers like normal because my mom forces me. I didn't like the pool because my mom made me take the underwater test on an off school day and an off shower day.

I keep describing my sister in order to describe the clothing that she was waring. It was tight clothing. I do not like getting wet because it bothers me. However me and my sister like to get wet if we are in tight clothing. However my sister doesn't dislike being wet. It makes it ok because I enjoy it. Its a combination of being wet and nude I dislike. However my sister does not dislike this.

My sister is 17. I already posted this. I am 16 years old. She makes me take vitamins. We used to take baths together when we were like 3. However that is normal. We only had one bathroom and two bedrooms back then. Now our house has 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms , a dining room , a kitchen, a basement, and a living room. I am detailing the house because someone accused me of living in a gingerbread house.

I used to play runescape for a year but my mom made me stop. My sister used to play also. However our mother made us stop because we played so much. She has more of a life than me now but still I still have a life. I am stocky

I have friends in school and talk to them. My sister also has a lot of friends. I am part of the bowling club. I bowled a 160 last week. My sister does not belong to that club. However my sister only likes Lord of the Rings. My sister enjoyed the underwater test while she ware a sports bra and tight clothing.

She watches the television show Grey's anatomy all the time. She likes that show. It is a show that she enjoys watching. I don't enjoy it. She does not watch me she watches Grey's anatomy.

She has not been to the dentist since she was 4. She went to a crappy one and it scared her.I have to go often because my teeth are bad. She does not go because she is scared. I do not like dogs. She likes pretty much all dogs but she likes small dogs better. However she likes all dogs unlike me.

Today my mom made my sister and me take a shower. I didn't like it. My sister was ok. Today was another off-school day. Our family is a christian family. My sister is a christain. Same goes for me.

I am going to bed. I am sure this will still be alive this morning.

Re:frosty piss; too late? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292967)

Wow, I cannot believe my mom stooped so low...

My mom called my doctor and said to him "What's the most accurate measurement for weighing?"
The doctor said "An underwater weighing test"
And just like that, my mom said "Yes. When can my son and my daughter can take it?" and the doc said "Today at 2pm."

So, I didn't bother taking a shower and so did my sister too, so I had to get into a special swimming suit(tight pants...Ugh).

My sister said "Can I pull my hair down to a ponytail?" The doctor said "No."
So my sister with her long, blonde hair went underwater with 8 seconds and had she must enjoyed it..but I didn't.

My sister had to wear pants and a bra, so she enjoyed minutes of going underwater. I didn't take a shower and she didn't too.

Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair into ponytails, but they don't. That's what she did.

The reason for this topic to not get too confusing is that don't you guys like to see teenage girls in a tank with their hair and their body soaked and wet? That's the reason for this topic.

You want a detailed summary of what happened today? Alright, here goes:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister.

She called the doctor and wanted to schedule an appointment for my sister and I and today was the only day they could get us in. So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to(since I got up at 12pm and she got up at 12:30p.m.) It goes on from there with the underwater weighing at the doctor's office.

My sister constantly talks about her hair. "Should I wash it?" "Should I pull my hair up or leave it down?" Stuff like that. It wasn't my idea to take this underwater weighing thing. The doctor puts you in a tank (and I didn't have a shower), makes you do certain things of breathing, and you put your head underwater for a few seconds. Not hard at all.

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I taken my underwater tests, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.

About the hair:

Everytime I go swimming at the YMCA, I see girls having their hair down and it doesn't disrupt them when they are swimming because it would get in the way, wouldn't it? You know if you've ever seen girls at your school that grab their hair and they look like they are going to pull their hair up, but don't.

About the shower:

Both my sister and I didn't feel like taking a shower yesterday because it was around noon time and had little time to get ready to go to the doctor's office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. I DIDN'T ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT WAS MY DAY OFF FROM SCHOOL?! MY SISTER ENJOYED IT BECAUSE SHE HAD LITTLE ON GOING ON, WHILE I DID!

About the reason for the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister. I didn't enjoy the test but my sister did.

Again about the hair:

I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back so it does or does not get in the way but the doctor said she couldnt for the underwater test through we had not taken a shower either

About the shower:

So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to so I didn't take a shower and she didn't too. Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair up, but they don't. That's what she did.

More about the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. So I was mad at my mother and I wasn't going to take a shower if she said I had to but she let me skip the shower. Anyways I wasn't thinking well and was saving time (saving time by not taking a shower too) so I posted the topic title that I thought of because I was mad.

More about the hair:

She skipped the shower around noon. As said same goes with me. Then we took the underwater tests. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. Before that she tried to put her hair up but she wasn't allowed to. The doctor said no. So she did to her hair like what I see when I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back.

About the water:

The water is located in a room that is different than the office. It is in a different location. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in a different room than the doctors office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in the room with the water.

About the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale.

More about my sister:

My sister was in tight clothing due to the test. My sister was wet just like me because the test was in a tank of water. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports brain the room with the water. My sister did not wear tight pants and a sports bra in the office. My sister had to change into tight pants and a sports bra in the restroom before we got into the room with the water. I too had to change before and after the water room and did so in the restroom.

About the test:

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I completed my underwater tests which were underwater, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

This process then goes repeated for my sister.

After around noon I did not take a shower. Then the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. I did not drown or lose oxygen during this process.

About the clothing:

My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra. I had to ware tight clothing as well.

About why I'm mad:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test.I was happy with the off day from school and I got a off shower day too. Then we had to get tested underwater.

She's 17 years old
Long hair
Tan
Usually has her hair up but like I the doctor didn't let her so she made her hair like the girls I see down to the YMCA where people pretend to pull their hair back.

My sister enjoyed the tight clothing. My mother forces us to take showers. However we had an off school day and I guess was nice and gave us an off shower day. Nether the less I would not have took a shower due to my anger. I would have enjoyed the tight clothing but however I was angery due to the test so I did not enjoy so.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.I couldn't think of a topic so I said "Stooped so low."

About the house:

The house contains a kitchen , two bathrooms, a living room, a dining room, three bedrooms and a basement. Like I said I got up at noon did not take the shower. My sister did not take the shower. Then we went to the underwater test.

My sister also did not take a shower before taking the underwater test that got us wet. My sister found it enjoyable to be in the water because for the underwater test she was required to ware a sports bra and tight clothing. She and I got wet in the underwater test. Is it not enjoyable for you guys to be soaked and wet in tight clothing ?

I find it enjoy able to be wet in tight clothing. She was wearing tight pants and a sports bra and therefore found it enjoyable.Same for my sister. However it needs to be said that showers I do not find enjoyable. Same goes for me sister. Yes if I am going to get wet I would prefer to be in tight clothing. Because I enjoy being wet in tight clothing . Same goes for my sister. We were both wet during the underwater test.

I do look at girls at the YMCA when they are swimming. I mean have you ever watched what girls do to there hair at the YMCA. Watch girls at the YMCA. You will see the girls do that. I saw my sister do that too after the doctor said she couldn't put her hair in a ponytail.

I think I made mistake somewhere. I was in the room with her and so was my mother. However only me and my sister took the test. We each got in to the tank seperately. She was waring a sports bra and tight pants and had not took a shower that day. The doctor said she couldn't so she did was those YMCA girls did.

My sister and I did not take a shower because our mom let us have an off shower day. Then we went to the underwater testing that caused us to both ware tight clothing and get wet. Really its not a big deal that we had an off shower day. Due to the fact that I spent a lot of time underwater in clorinated water it killed the germs anyways. It also killed my sister's germs irregaurdless of the fact she was in tight clothing.

I do not like showers because I do not like getting wet if I am not in tight clothing. The same goes for my sister. However it needs to be said that my sister did enjoy being in a sports bra and tight clothing. I take showers like normal because my mom forces me. I didn't like the pool because my mom made me take the underwater test on an off school day and an off shower day.

I keep describing my sister in order to describe the clothing that she was waring. It was tight clothing. I do not like getting wet because it bothers me. However me and my sister like to get wet if we are in tight clothing. However my sister doesn't dislike being wet. It makes it ok because I enjoy it. Its a combination of being wet and nude I dislike. However my sister does not dislike this.

My sister is 17. I already posted this. I am 16 years old. She makes me take vitamins. We used to take baths together when we were like 3. However that is normal. We only had one bathroom and two bedrooms back then. Now our house has 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms , a dining room , a kitchen, a basement, and a living room. I am detailing the house because someone accused me of living in a gingerbread house.

I used to play runescape for a year but my mom made me stop. My sister used to play also. However our mother made us stop because we played so much. She has more of a life than me now but still I still have a life. I am stocky

I have friends in school and talk to them. My sister also has a lot of friends. I am part of the bowling club. I bowled a 160 last week. My sister does not belong to that club. However my sister only likes Lord of the Rings. My sister enjoyed the underwater test while she ware a sports bra and tight clothing.

She watches the television show Grey's anatomy all the time. She likes that show. It is a show that she enjoys watching. I don't enjoy it. She does not watch me she watches Grey's anatomy.

She has not been to the dentist since she was 4. She went to a crappy one and it scared her.I have to go often because my teeth are bad. She does not go because she is scared. I do not like dogs. She likes pretty much all dogs but she likes small dogs better. However she likes all dogs unlike me.

Today my mom made my sister and me take a shower. I didn't like it. My sister was ok. Today was another off-school day. Our family is a christian family. My sister is a christain. Same goes for me.

I am going to bed. I am sure this will still be alive this morning.

Best. Story. Ever.

Re:frosty piss; too late? (-1, Offtopic)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293115)

Okay, okay.
Best.Story.Ever. (Now go and take the DAMN shower...... sheeesh!)
:)

Re:frosty piss; too late? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293521)

Wow, I cannot believe my mom stooped so low...

My mom called my doctor and said to him "What's the most accurate measurement for weighing?" The doctor said "An underwater weighing test" And just like that, my mom said "Yes. When can my son and my daughter can take it?" and the doc said "Today at 2pm."

So, I didn't bother taking a shower and so did my sister too, so I had to get into a special swimming suit(tight pants...Ugh).

My sister said "Can I pull my hair down to a ponytail?" The doctor said "No." So my sister with her long, blonde hair went underwater with 8 seconds and had she must enjoyed it..but I didn't.

My sister had to wear pants and a bra, so she enjoyed minutes of going underwater. I didn't take a shower and she didn't too.

Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair into ponytails, but they don't. That's what she did.

The reason for this topic to not get too confusing is that don't you guys like to see teenage girls in a tank with their hair and their body soaked and wet? That's the reason for this topic.

You want a detailed summary of what happened today? Alright, here goes:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister.

She called the doctor and wanted to schedule an appointment for my sister and I and today was the only day they could get us in. So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to(since I got up at 12pm and she got up at 12:30p.m.) It goes on from there with the underwater weighing at the doctor's office.

My sister constantly talks about her hair. "Should I wash it?" "Should I pull my hair up or leave it down?" Stuff like that. It wasn't my idea to take this underwater weighing thing. The doctor puts you in a tank (and I didn't have a shower), makes you do certain things of breathing, and you put your head underwater for a few seconds. Not hard at all.

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I taken my underwater tests, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.

About the hair:

Everytime I go swimming at the YMCA, I see girls having their hair down and it doesn't disrupt them when they are swimming because it would get in the way, wouldn't it? You know if you've ever seen girls at your school that grab their hair and they look like they are going to pull their hair up, but don't.

About the shower:

Both my sister and I didn't feel like taking a shower yesterday because it was around noon time and had little time to get ready to go to the doctor's office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. I DIDN'T ENJOY IT BECAUSE IT WAS MY DAY OFF FROM SCHOOL?! MY SISTER ENJOYED IT BECAUSE SHE HAD LITTLE ON GOING ON, WHILE I DID!

About the reason for the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale. She heard about a underwater weighing test from my doctor last year and she wanted to give it a try to both, myself and my sister. I didn't enjoy the test but my sister did.

Again about the hair:

I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back so it does or does not get in the way but the doctor said she couldnt for the underwater test through we had not taken a shower either

About the shower:

So my mom told both of us you don't need to take a shower if you don't want to so I didn't take a shower and she didn't too. Before she got into the tank, you see girls 'pretend' to pull their hair up, but they don't. That's what she did.

More about the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. So I was mad at my mother and I wasn't going to take a shower if she said I had to but she let me skip the shower. Anyways I wasn't thinking well and was saving time (saving time by not taking a shower too) so I posted the topic title that I thought of because I was mad.

More about the hair:

She skipped the shower around noon. As said same goes with me. Then we took the underwater tests. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra, so she enjoyed every minute of going underwater. Before that she tried to put her hair up but she wasn't allowed to. The doctor said no. So she did to her hair like what I see when I go down to the YMCA and see where girls pretend to pull their hair back.

About the water:

The water is located in a room that is different than the office. It is in a different location. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in a different room than the doctors office. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra in the room with the water.

About the underwater test:

My mom wanted to do something instead of weighing myself on a scale.

More about my sister:

My sister was in tight clothing due to the test. My sister was wet just like me because the test was in a tank of water. My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports brain the room with the water. My sister did not wear tight pants and a sports bra in the office. My sister had to change into tight pants and a sports bra in the restroom before we got into the room with the water. I too had to change before and after the water room and did so in the restroom.

About the test:

To answer you question, before my sister and I got into the tank, the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. Then the doctor took the temperature of the water inside the tank. After I completed my underwater tests which were underwater, I had to stick my head underwater for 8 seconds and it was done. 30 minutes its all it take.

This process then goes repeated for my sister.

After around noon I did not take a shower. Then the doctor did a basic weight test then I got into the tank and did some breathing excerises to see how my lungs would be situated underwater. I did not drown or lose oxygen during this process.

About the clothing:

My sister had to wear tight pants and a sports bra. I had to ware tight clothing as well.

About why I'm mad:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test.I was happy with the off day from school and I got a off shower day too. Then we had to get tested underwater.

She's 17 years old Long hair Tan Usually has her hair up but like I the doctor didn't let her so she made her hair like the girls I see down to the YMCA where people pretend to pull their hair back.

My sister enjoyed the tight clothing. My mother forces us to take showers. However we had an off school day and I guess was nice and gave us an off shower day. Nether the less I would not have took a shower due to my anger. I would have enjoyed the tight clothing but however I was angery due to the test so I did not enjoy so.

About the topic title:

I have a life on an off day from school. I didn't expect to go to my doctor's office and take an underwater weighing test. That said with my sister. I wasn't mad at my mom for doing this, but if she would've let me know about it days in advance, then it would be okay.I couldn't think of a topic so I said "Stooped so low."

About the house:

The house contains a kitchen , two bathrooms, a living room, a dining room, three bedrooms and a basement. Like I said I got up at noon did not take the shower. My sister did not take the shower. Then we went to the underwater test.

My sister also did not take a shower before taking the underwater test that got us wet. My sister found it enjoyable to be in the water because for the underwater test she was required to ware a sports bra and tight clothing. She and I got wet in the underwater test. Is it not enjoyable for you guys to be soaked and wet in tight clothing ?

I find it enjoy able to be wet in tight clothing. She was wearing tight pants and a sports bra and therefore found it enjoyable.Same for my sister. However it needs to be said that showers I do not find enjoyable. Same goes for me sister. Yes if I am going to get wet I would prefer to be in tight clothing. Because I enjoy being wet in tight clothing . Same goes for my sister. We were both wet during the underwater test.

I do look at girls at the YMCA when they are swimming. I mean have you ever watched what girls do to there hair at the YMCA. Watch girls at the YMCA. You will see the girls do that. I saw my sister do that too after the doctor said she couldn't put her hair in a ponytail.

I think I made mistake somewhere. I was in the room with her and so was my mother. However only me and my sister took the test. We each got in to the tank seperately. She was waring a sports bra and tight pants and had not took a shower that day. The doctor said she couldn't so she did was those YMCA girls did.

My sister and I did not take a shower because our mom let us have an off shower day. Then we went to the underwater testing that caused us to both ware tight clothing and get wet. Really its not a big deal that we had an off shower day. Due to the fact that I spent a lot of time underwater in clorinated water it killed the germs anyways. It also killed my sister's germs irregaurdless of the fact she was in tight clothing.

I do not like showers because I do not like getting wet if I am not in tight clothing. The same goes for my sister. However it needs to be said that my sister did enjoy being in a sports bra and tight clothing. I take showers like normal because my mom forces me. I didn't like the pool because my mom made me take the underwater test on an off school day and an off shower day.

I keep describing my sister in order to describe the clothing that she was waring. It was tight clothing. I do not like getting wet because it bothers me. However me and my sister like to get wet if we are in tight clothing. However my sister doesn't dislike being wet. It makes it ok because I enjoy it. Its a combination of being wet and nude I dislike. However my sister does not dislike this.

My sister is 17. I already posted this. I am 16 years old. She makes me take vitamins. We used to take baths together when we were like 3. However that is normal. We only had one bathroom and two bedrooms back then. Now our house has 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms , a dining room , a kitchen, a basement, and a living room. I am detailing the house because someone accused me of living in a gingerbread house.

I used to play runescape for a year but my mom made me stop. My sister used to play also. However our mother made us stop because we played so much. She has more of a life than me now but still I still have a life. I am stocky

I have friends in school and talk to them. My sister also has a lot of friends. I am part of the bowling club. I bowled a 160 last week. My sister does not belong to that club. However my sister only likes Lord of the Rings. My sister enjoyed the underwater test while she ware a sports bra and tight clothing.

She watches the television show Grey's anatomy all the time. She likes that show. It is a show that she enjoys watching. I don't enjoy it. She does not watch me she watches Grey's anatomy.

She has not been to the dentist since she was 4. She went to a crappy one and it scared her.I have to go often because my teeth are bad. She does not go because she is scared. I do not like dogs. She likes pretty much all dogs but she likes small dogs better. However she likes all dogs unlike me.

Today my mom made my sister and me take a shower. I didn't like it. My sister was ok. Today was another off-school day. Our family is a christian family. My sister is a christain. Same goes for me.

I am going to bed. I am sure this will still be alive this morning.

Best. Story. Ever.

I agree.

Re:frosty piss; too late? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295141)

Why the fuck did you have to copy the entire thing for a 1 sentence reply?!
You're just as big of a dickshit as the OP is.

Who cares? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292657)

In a few years, we'll be able to 3D print our own processors at home with all the power and capabilities we want! Engineering? Tools? Who needs 'em! Just download the file and 3D print anything you want! It's the future! Ten out of ten Star Trek viewers agree with me! Yay!

Re:Who cares? (2, Insightful)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292851)

That's something you can do today with FPGAs anyway. No need to wait a few years.

Re:Who cares? (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295405)

Insightful? No. I have an FPGA dev board on my desk. The dev board costs around $8K, the FPGA alone can be bought in small quantities for about $4K. We use it for experimental processor design. It can run our MIPS64-based softcore at about 100MHz (drawing around 40W) and there's enough space on die for 4-8 cores. You can't run a processor on one that is competitive with a cheap ARM processor (except if you configure the FPGA for a single algorithm, then you can't run general-purpose code on it), let alone one with 'all the power and capabilities we want'. FPGAs are cool, but they're no substitute for ASICs.

SUN is dead. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292721)

long live raspberry pi.
a beowulf cluster.
how many bitcoins per second?

did i win the buzzword bingo today, mommy?

Re:SUN is dead. (0)

armanox (826486) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293245)

You forgot to say it's in the cloud.

Re:SUN is dead. (0)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293427)

long live raspberry pi.
a beowulf cluster.
how many bitcoins per second?

did i win the buzzword bingo today, mommy?

Under the B : 52.

In short, yes. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292823)

While the T5 may be insignificant to a huge swath of the server market, there are many sectors (financial, energy, Federal, geo, etc.) that make significant use of SPARC platforms. The T5 is a huge advance to these markets. Oracle's not really struggling to stay in the hardware game is the Reg indicates. They produce much of their x86 gear because they use it in the Exa stuff. Their SPARCs are their bread and butter hardware in terms of raw server power. They will sell them as fast as they can produce them. Their recently announced move of manufacturing facilities from Mexico to Oregon is indicative of demand. They build their Exa's in Oregon. They worked a deal with the Oregon state Gov (tax incentives) to move their server manufacturing there in order to compress the logistics lag in getting the servers for the Exa to the kitting facility. Anyway, just my two cents.

Re:In short, yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294511)

While the T5 may be insignificant to a huge swath of the server market, there are many sectors (financial, energy, Federal, geo, etc.) that make significant use of SPARC platforms.

Yeah, they made extensive use of them through the mid 80s, 90s, and into the 2000s. Then they switched to x86. Or do you live in a universe where SUNW, err JAVA is still trading? The platform was abandoned years ago.

Re:In short, yes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294597)

The problem with the SPARC product line is Oracle. They have alienated the entire customer base with their heavy handed approach to warranty and support. I can't speak for my entire company (big US Defense contractor), but our site has ditched them and moved to Intel.

Probably not. (5, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292853)

Oracle is going to need to come up with a new game to make waves with the new processor. Simply improving a processor isn't going to change the fact that what people want are low cost processors without vendor lock in.

Sun made a name for itself with interesting hardware, but that was before processing power was a commodity. There are definitely organizations that still run SPARC, and some others who need top of the line performance that will at least give it a shot, but everyone who has a brain and a little industry experience knows that you can't just "try out" the new SPARC with Oracle in charge. If you walk any distance down that road, you start paying premium prices for every little feature you want going forward.

I used to work in exclusively Sun shops, and I've dealt with Oracle for years. There's little that the hardware and their database can do that can't be replicated by x64 and something like Postgres with some thought behind your architecture. For certain, the features they do have are not cost effective against the hundreds of thousands of dollars you pay for Oracle DB licensing, and the premium you pay for SPARC hardware and support.

Re:Probably not. (5, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292957)

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC because of performance concerns. The shops that buy SPARC equipment do not have price of servers as a primary concern. Everyone who's left has left because of Oracle.

It is virtually unthinkable that Oracle could or would make the decisions that would reverse this trend.

Sun is on its way out, and SPARC with it. I wonder what Fujitsu will do next?

Re:Probably not. (2)

Above (100351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293177)

I would mod up if I had mod points. This, 1000 times this! Oracle is driving people away due to their business practices, not hardware performance or cost.

Re:Probably not. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293275)

I have. Try running Oracle SOA Suite on anything less than a T4, which is itself fairly new. It takes 20 minutes to start the damn thing up on a T3. An old Xeon will do it in 5 minutes. Sparc performance has been really bad for a long time. The T4 was playing catch up.

Re:Probably not. (5, Interesting)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293435)

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC

Ok , here's one. Albeit a few years ago.. We were having a lot of sad times with the Sun V880. We wanted faster Disk I/O along with a more usable OS. Solaris 9 (& 10), at the time, would boot and run Oracle but it was impossible to get patches for it. We used to download them from Sun's website but then all of a sudden you needed a Vendor ID. After submitting the Vendor ID, downloads still didn't work. iSCSI in particular was important to us but it just didn't work well. Buggy and horribly slow. We finally ended up ditching the V880 and going with two multi-core x86_64 Linux boxes running Centos and SSD raid. The DBA said some of his nightly processes finished in 1/6 of the time it took on the v880. All for a fraction of the cost of the Sun hardware. Yes, the sun stuff is sexy and built like a tank. Yes, it will run for decades without any trouble. If I never see a Sun product again it will be too soon.

Re:Probably not. (2, Interesting)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293607)

Sun was beyond amazing for support. We had a server that wouldn't boot. It threw a kernel panic, went down and it wouldn't come back up without a kernel panic. We had not touched the thing in months. Called support, they asked a few questions about the panic details. Within 15 minutes the support guy KNEW it was cache module and we had one shipped to us overnight so we had our hands on it the next morning. We replaced the module and everything worked.

Re:Probably not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293815)

wonder why SUN got out of business..

Re:Probably not. (4, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294621)

wonder why SUN got out of business..

Sun failed because there are two types of people:

1. People who say that good support is really important
2. People that think good support is important enough to pay extra for it

There are plenty of plenty of people in category 1, but few in category 2. Modern hardware is reliable enough and cheap enough that it usually more cost effective to forgo premium support.

Re:Probably not. (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295105)

I think you are right. If it absolutely must work at all costs then Sun made sense. Otherwise Cent OS on X86 or something similar is good enough.

Re:Probably not. (4, Informative)

mabhatter654 (561290) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295293)

We STILL get that kind of service with our IBM System I (AS400) support.

If you are willing to pay, they have 4-hour support where they will get it there FASTER than overnight. And the tecs are super knowledgable.

Sadly, their blade and x86 support is not REMOTLY as sharp. And with converged hardware it became painful... Fast.

Re:Probably not. (0)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294107)

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC

Ok , here's one. Albeit a few years ago.. We were having a lot of sad times with the Sun V880. We wanted faster Disk I/O along with a more usable OS. Solaris 9 (& 10), at the time, would boot and run Oracle but it was impossible to get patches for it. We used to download them from Sun's website but then all of a sudden you needed a Vendor ID. After submitting the Vendor ID, downloads still didn't work. iSCSI in particular was important to us but it just didn't work well. Buggy and horribly slow. We finally ended up ditching the V880 and going with two multi-core x86_64 Linux boxes running Centos and SSD raid. The DBA said some of his nightly processes finished in 1/6 of the time it took on the v880. All for a fraction of the cost of the Sun hardware. Yes, the sun stuff is sexy and built like a tank. Yes, it will run for decades without any trouble. If I never see a Sun product again it will be too soon.

You could at least quote the OP's statement correctly:

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC because of performance concerns.

I noticed your sig, which says:

Ignorance is a choice

You sir, win at hypocrisy.

Re:Probably not. (1)

danpbrowning (149453) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294475)

You could at least quote the OP's statement correctly:

I agree, but it looks like an honest oversight to me. He did leave SPARC over performance concerns.

Re:Probably not. (2, Informative)

Score Whore (32328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294129)

Assuming a few years ago means 2010 or there about (also "SSD raid" suggests that kind of time frame), so you are comparing a server last sold in 2005 against a five year newer system. Moore's law alone suggests a 6x performance increase. Add in lower latency storage and I'm surprised the processes were only took 1/6th the time.

I admin for an enterprise with a large Sun/Oracle hardware base, and I have serious complaints with Oracle's support procedures, but beyond a few notable missteps, their hardware is quite good. And Solaris is very nice if you know how to use it.

Re:Probably not. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294207)

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC

Ok , here's one. Albeit a few years ago.. We were having a lot of sad times with the Sun V880. We wanted faster Disk I/O along with a more usable OS. Solaris 9 (& 10), at the time, would boot and run Oracle but it was impossible to get patches for it. We used to download them from Sun's website but then all of a sudden you needed a Vendor ID. After submitting the Vendor ID, downloads still didn't work. iSCSI in particular was important to us but it just didn't work well. Buggy and horribly slow. We finally ended up ditching the V880 and going with two multi-core x86_64 Linux boxes running Centos and SSD raid. The DBA said some of his nightly processes finished in 1/6 of the time it took on the v880. All for a fraction of the cost of the Sun hardware. Yes, the sun stuff is sexy and built like a tank. Yes, it will run for decades without any trouble. If I never see a Sun product again it will be too soon.

Wait, you wanted faster disk speed so you went with iSCSI?!?! And clearly Solaris didn't support RAIDed SSDs. Sounds like the issue might have been with the sysadmins.

--AC

Re:Probably not. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294585)

A v880 hasn't been current for over 7 years - wtf are you prattling on about comparing ssd raid storage to a box that ran on 10k spindles only?

Load up a pair of T5s with Solaris 11.1, and it will run circles around your gimpy lil Linux setup.

This is doubly true now that OS level optimizations are going in to improve Oracle DB performance...

If you never see a Sun product again, that's because there are no Sun products anymore, they are Oracle products.

Re:Probably not. (0)

djh101010 (656795) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295157)

So, Sun support sucked because your employer didn't pay for a support contract, and you wanted the benefits of one (the downloading of patches) without paying for it? I'm guessing it's not even worth discussing threading models at this point.

Re:Probably not. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293461)

I have not heard one single source say they were leaving SPARC because of performance concerns. The shops that buy SPARC equipment do not have price of servers as a primary concern. Everyone who's left has left because of Oracle.

People left SPARC years ago because of price/performance issues. The shops that still buy SPARC are stuck buying SPARC because they don't have the engineering wherewithal to get off. They are stuck. Larry knows this and is really good at identifying people that he has by the balls and then squeezing -- just enough to be painful, but not enough so that they leave. Sometimes his people miscalculate and they lose a client. That just makes him squeeze everyone else a little harder.

I was recently courted by a financial firm until I found out it was for SPARC/Solaris development. Money be damned, I'm not going there again. And it said a ton about the IT team that they were still using Sun/Oracle hardware. "The smell of death surrounds you..."

Re:Probably not. (1)

Cyberax (705495) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293695)

We ditched our Sun servers back at the time of T3. Their single-thread performance was abysmal and collective multi-thread performance was not that good as well. It turned out that it was cheaper to buy a couple of x86-based servers than to suffer the SPARC misery.

Re:Probably (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293835)

I have. It's because the bad decisions of Scott McNealy doomed Sun Microsystems to failure (IMHO). Now Sun has failed--that's why Oracle could purchase Sun at such a cheap price. It's also because of the stability of Linux (Oracle has their own distribution) and commodity (dependable and easily replaceable hardware) servers can offer the same performance at cheaper prices for upfront and support costs over Sparc and Solaris.

Re:Probably not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294217)

Oracle did a presentation at my company. The sales guys accidentally left in a slide that said "Customer Penetration" when they were hawking their 'first one's free' database appliance and free Linux.

Yup, I don't trust them.

Re:Probably not. (2)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294401)

We're leaving Sparc machines because of cost. We have to run Oracle because we're using Oracle db/middleware on our ERP, but we've found that Dell's run circles around anything Oracle has sold us in the past for far less money.

Re:Probably not. (1)

David Gerard (12369) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295039)

We left because of Oracle buying Sun, but when we moved to Ubuntu VMs we discovered they were ridiculously faster (turns out when you're running a pile of Java, it's actually all about the bogoMIPS), and if we'd realised just how much faster we'd have moved earlier.

Re:Probably not. (4, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293237)

Oracle is going to need to come up with a new game to make waves with the new processor. Simply improving a processor isn't going to change the fact that what people want are low cost processors without vendor lock in.

"People" are not Oracle's target market. Their target are are huge 24x7x365 enterprise clusters that are not about to change databases unless they absolutely have to so for most of them the question isn't whether they'll run Oracle it's what they'll run Oracle on. Whether it's SPARC, POWER or Intel's E7 Xeons with RAS features they'll be paying blood for the hardware, ARM and Postgres isn't even on the radar. If you run a tiny, non-performance or non-uptime critical Oracle DB it's because you're an Oracle shop and have standardized on it, not because you need it or you have a PHB who insists on Oracle because it's enterprisy. I'm feeling pretty they'll sell if Oracle just spins it right that they take full top-to-bottom responsibility (just not liability) for the stack working at optimal performance.

Re:Probably not. (3, Interesting)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293591)

And I was very clear that there will be organizations that will continue to run both Oracle and Solaris and SPARC. I have direct experience working at those financial and governmental organization and I do fully understand that they have both a great deal of inertia, as well as a decision making process that is filled with bureaucrats and PHBs.

Still, don't be so sure that the field won't change even there. I don't think I have ever worked in a shop that wasn't 24/7/365 and I have worked in the huge enterprises you are talking about. Sure, they may be running SPARC and Oracle for the next 20-30 years, if they can, just like they ran mainframes almost that long for certain tasks. New growth and new money, however, does not have to take that path, even in big shops.

And this will sell, but will it "save" the line? I don't think so. If they are talking about continued existence of the line as legacy into the distant future, the lock-in has already achieved that more than the T5 or any upgraded processor ever will. Now, if you are talking about "saving" the line in the sense of it returning to a vibrant growth platform beyond its big business/government niche, I'd say that it is too little, too late, on it's own.

Re:Probably not. (5, Interesting)

NFN_NLN (633283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293309)

Oracle is going to need to come up with a new game to make waves with the new processor. Simply improving a processor isn't going to change the fact that what people want are low cost processors without vendor lock in.

They are relying on Oracle Db dominance to bring in the T5. They are working on adding "software on silicon" to future processors so certain DB calls happen at HW speeds.

As long as Oracle DB has market dominance, then anyone who needs to squeeze absolute performance from their DB; then they logical choice will be SPARC.
With that user base they can move in to other segments.

I have nothing against "software on silicon". However, it does smell of anti-competition... I doubt Oracle works with other CHIP designers on this HW API... but I could be wrong.

Re:Probably not. (2)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293605)

IBM was allegedly working on the equivalent of "software on silicon" as far back as the late 1970s ("Future Systems"). Didn't happen, although some of the extremely CISC-y instructions in the current zSeries set aren't too far removed.

One problem with doing database in hardware is that it's a lot faster and easier to modify software than it is to modify hardware. Especially once it's commodity stuff out in the field.

How much truly high-performance stuff is done on Oracle DB is unclear to me. A lot of the biggest of the big-data projects are running on noSQL or MySQL server farms. The merely "big" databases that run on IBM mainframes may run Oracle, but they may run DB2.

Re:Probably not. (2)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294539)

The question is: will doing the DB in hardware even help with anything? I presume it's not that hard to saturate the memory bus on any modern server while doing a database query. If database bottlenecks were actually the CPU power, not memory bandwidth, then it'd make sense.

Re:Probably not. (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293821)

I have nothing against "software on silicon". However, it does smell of anti-competition... I doubt Oracle works with other CHIP designers on this HW API... but I could be wrong.

I would ask the question the other way, would other chip designers be interested in "do Oracle stuff to database" instructions on their general purpose CPUs? I doubt that, since dead silicon is would greatly cut into the margins of all their other sales.

Re:Probably not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294017)

everyone who has a brain and a little industry experience knows that you can't just "try out" the new SPARC with Oracle in charge. If you walk any distance down that road, you start paying premium prices for every little feature you want going forward.

This strategy his been highly successful at Apple.

Re:Probably not. (3, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294049)

Oracle is going to need to come up with a new game to make waves with the new processor. Simply improving a processor isn't going to change the fact that what people want are low cost processors without vendor lock in.

What individual users want is low cost without vendor lock in. What ENTERPRISE wants, and the market for Oracle, is a rock solid platform with excellent support and maintenance. Sun provided that at a reasonable cost. Oracle is simply charging too much for the same product. For example, they've completely overhauled their support costs to ream their existing Sun customers, and they (read we) are looking for other solutions. The company I work for has probably bought its last Sun/Oracle server.

Re:Probably not. (1)

garyebickford (222422) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295133)

I recall when EBay first moved to Sun/Oracle several years ago, shortly thereafter they were down for a day or two. As I recall the loss of income was several $million. That's the kind of number that makes the CIO not sleep at night, and lose hair.

Re:Probably not. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294505)

Oracle is going to need to come up with a new game plan? This is Oracles all a part of the new game plan! Make the fastest processors in the world to run the best software in the enterprise the fastest possible. After all, it’s the Enterprise that Oracle is focused on, and today, more than ever, Oracle has the focus on developing and innovating across the entire stack from applications, to middleware, database, OS, virtualization, hardware, CPU to storage. And the only way you can engineer out the complexity, engineer out the issues of compatibility, reduce/eliminate installation and configuration headaches, system optimization challenges, patching & maintenance nightmares, etc is to control all the elements of the stack. Why do you think so many datacenters are in such a mess today? Theres too much complexity, too many vendors, too many variables, and that’s what Oracle is focused on.

SPARC no longer is at a price premium over x86 unless you include the white boxes and looking at 2-socket boxes. Anything 4-socket and above, SPARC T4 and now SPARC T5 will show competitive price/performance. Just look at the latest TCO disclosures on TPC-C, TPC-H or even performance on SPECjEnterprise2010 or SPECjbb2013 benchmarks. Xeon is falling behind, especially on 4-socket and above. Intel is clearly focused on beating ARM, but at the same time, I believe they're defocusing on the enterprise. The current fastest Xeon is still Westmere-EX for 4-socket and 8-socket system, over 2 years old now! What happened to Sandy Bridge EX or even Ivybridge 4-socket or 8-socket? Still MIA? But yes, Haswell is already coming (to go after ARM). You wont see Haswell going after the enterprise any time soon. So if you are seriously looking at Enterprise quality HW with extreme performance, it comes down to either SPARC or Power. And with the 17+ benchmarks Oracle just announced, IBM is looking to be a distant 2nd place..

Re:Probably not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294527)

The UltraSPARC T4 platforms were selling as fast as they could be produced.
The T5 architecture outperforms the Fujitsu based M series servers in a smaller footprint. This means that even more sales will swing to the T series platforms.

Re:Probably not. (2)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294969)

You forget that a T5 has not only one processor but dozens.

You forget that the Oracle DB and Solaris and the SPARC Processor are synergizing each other.

Oracle, the DB, outperforms on Sparc architectures everything else, haedware wise and money wise. The reason is the superb multithreading/processing possible on SPARC hardware.

You want to do that with x86 and PostgreSQL?

Sorry, you must be kidding.

Ah, you also forgot: SPARC is an open architecture. There os no vendor lock in. And AFAIK Open Solaris is not dead either.

it's a marketing problem (3, Interesting)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292861)

The performance is just a factor, they can sell if Oracle prices it right, accounting for performance-per-watt of their stack vs. the competing ones.

Sparc being an exotic arch cuts both way, you sure have more trouble with ports, OTOH hackers have to adapt their tools to penetrate those servers, in many cases it's overall a plus.

  The main obstacle IMHO is that those servers come from "we are indeed evil" Oracle ;)

Re:it's a marketing problem (1, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292971)

they can sell if Oracle prices it right,

The right price for Oracle translates in whatever it takes for Larry to buy another island [forbes.com]

Re:it's a marketing problem (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293157)

"We are indeed evil" is the best phrase I've ever heard to describe Oracle. Their mafia-style "well, how much you got?" pricing schemes are insane. Much like the mafia they pretty much force you to give up financial statements and sensitive proprietary business info, then they charge you a percentage of your gross based on how much they think you can afford and how much they think you depend on their software. (Granted they don't admit to this, but this is the net effect of their practices)

I shudder to think what strings they put on hardware they sell to you.

Re:it's a marketing problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293347)

At what point did Oracle compete on price? Maybe I just am not enough into the server market, but I thought they got business mostly in three ways: suckers, people who needed Oracle because that was a requirement not based on technical merit but other reasons, and terrific corporate-level schmoozing.

Re:it's a marketing problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293369)

I think you are correct... I also think Oracle is plainly unwilling to make the sort of marketing decisions which would make these new processors attractive to buyers who are not already entangled in the Sparc ecosystem.

Re:it's a marketing problem (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293473)

The main obstacle IMHO is that those servers come from "we are indeed evil" Oracle ;)

Google: Don't be (seen as) evil.
Oracle: Fuck PR, we're evil.

I honestly don't know which motto is better.

Re:it's a marketing problem (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295309)

At least Oracle is being honest with everyone about being asshats.

Re:it's a marketing problem (1)

Imagix (695350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293687)

Just visited the website. Their "Small" T5-2 server lists at over $50k USD.

Re:it's a marketing problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293795)

Just visited the website. Their "Small" T5-2 server lists at over $50k USD.

Almost nobody pays list for these though. Resellers will heavily discount that price.

Re:it's a marketing problem (1)

tibit (1762298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294587)

When I make server purchase decisions, I don't care to talk to anyone at the vendor. I want to read their collateral and make the business decision. If their documentation or collateral is lacking, I won't be prying it from their dead hands -- it's their fucking loss, not mine. Resellers are, I think, a waste of resources. If the list price is there to discourage purchase, then what the heck, I'll just follow their guideline and not buy. Simple as that. I guess it's time to short sell some Oracle stock.

Re:it's a marketing problem (2)

Rob_Bryerton (606093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294105)

...and a decent Oracle install is going to cost 10x that annually. If you run Oracle DB and/or ($deity help you) eBusiness Suite, then your hardware cost is a rounding error in your overall Oracle budget...

Re:it's a marketing problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294495)

If you spell "Oracle" in reverse you get "elcaro"."El caro" means "The Expensive" in spanish :)

Re:it's a marketing problem (3, Informative)

Score Whore (32328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294283)

Their "small" T5-2 has 32 cores running at 3.6 GHz with 256 threads and 256 GB of RAM. A similar and cheaper x86 system doesn't even exist.

New Intel 8088s while we are at it? (2, Interesting)

Billly Gates (198444) | about a year and a half ago | (#43292941)

I have not seen Sparcs in years. They are so 2003. Kind of sad as we move to generic x86 but Sun really screwed up marketing these and Oracle is not helping by requiring an Oracle RDBMS license whether they are an oracle shop or not does not help. Oracle has also been happy to tell people with perfectly good Sparc Ultra I's to go fuck themselves we wont patch your systems anymore unless you pay us $$$ for your 12 year old systems you already paid for!

You can tell I do not like Oracle so consider my opinion biased. True they can multithread really well but the performance is slow and the industry has moved to clustered low cost blades to spread things out instead in such programs. The issue with threading on a single big ass server is not as big as it once was but still used in limited circumstances.

I thought the UltraSparc was legacy at this point so I am surprised.

Re:New Intel 8088s while we are at it? (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293319)

No, SPARCs have been coming out on a regular basis. My biggest issue was Oracle dropping support for so many recent processors with Solaris 11 (UltraSparc IV and older removed, no more IA-32 either). A Sun Enterprise M3000, which was being sold in late 2010, doesn't run Solaris 11.

I do however still enjoy playing with new SPARC systems when my client buys one.

Re:New Intel 8088s while we are at it? (1)

Score Whore (32328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293693)

A Sun Enterprise M3000, which was being sold in late 2010, doesn't run Solaris 11.

Um, yes it does. [oracle.com]

Re:New Intel 8088s while we are at it? (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294695)

Interesting, I might have to contact Oracle support on that one (when I tried to install Solaris 11 on a client's server, I got a "your system isn't supported" error.

More on the benchmarks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43292991)

Here is an analysis of the SPEC and other benchmarks - http://benchmarkingblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/oracles-sparc-t5-and-m5-benchmarks-lather-rinse-repeat

Re:More on the benchmarks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293627)

That's written by an IBM employee. The comparisons are decidedly unfair as well. Sure the Power7 is faster on a per-core basis, but it's also brutally expensive. Who cares if it takes 2x as many SPARC cores to achieve the same performance if the cost is lower?

Ship has sailed (1, Interesting)

satsuke (263225) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293043)

Unfortunately, even in (sizable) niches like telecom, the days of exclusively SPARC shops are long over.

There will be some markets that continue to use Oracle hardware for business continuity sake (Sun/Oracle has ridiculously long hardware lifecycles by industry standards). But as a mass (server) market influence, I think Oracle is done.

Re:Ship has sailed (1, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293175)

Unfortunately, even in (sizable) niches like telecom, the days of exclusively SPARC shops are long over.

And there's the rub. What's Solaris got that nobody else has got? dtrace, zones, supported zfs. All of those things are coming to other operating systems. Even if they weren't, nobody is sitting at a Sun machine any more (statistically) so the homogeneity argument has also been lost. If Sun had ever taken Solaris-x86 seriously then that might not have wound up being the case, but they didn't, so it did.

Re:Ship has sailed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293379)

Even Windows has deduplication now [1].

The main competitor to SPARC, IBM's POWER, has features that Oracle still is trying to play catchup with. RAM "compression", Turbo Core [2], virtual network switches, and virtualization handled by the hardware.

Of course, ZFS is better than JFS2+LVM.

As stated above, these are not really x86 replacements. A lot of times, these are for legacy databases which can't be split into smaller, partitionable units that can be placed on a number of blades, so it takes the heavyweight CPUs, I/O, and RAM to handle that stuff.

The ironic thing is that I can pick up a POWER7 box (720) for cheaper than comparable x86 servers. As an added bonus (tinfoil hat mode here), If there is a new F0 0F -like bug that appears and allows ring 0 access to any executing process, my stuff won't be affected.

[1]: It is offline deduping, requires NTFS, and can't be done on the system volume, but it is better than nothing. I wish they would have had it available for ReFS, but since ReFS is a "1.0" release, MS is probably more focused on getting the FS as stable as possible.

[2]: Turbo Core is a feature for Sybase shops where in production, companies pay by the core. So, one turns this on which disables half the cores, but then the remaining cores can run at a higher clock rate and use the caches of the disabled ones. The cost of a Sybase license for a decent IBM pSeries can be more than the box itself.

Re:Ship has sailed (2)

satsuke (263225) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293415)

I think the larger issue with Solaris is that Oracle is intentionally murdering the "mindshare" of their users.

At least part of vendor support is aftermarket support .. right now you can't get patch clusters, bug reports or documentation without a current support contract.

Same with downloading of Solaris media .. if you want to run solaris sparc on your old blade 1500 to compile/debug stuff before moving it to a production machine .. you can't, not without a hardware contract .. at least not easily.

Oracle/Sun has always been a premium value proposition .. nobody gets them because they were the cheapest, but shutting out your users entirely is more than counterproductive for the amount of revenue realized.

As far as Solaris x86 .. IDK, back when it was a going concern, Sun was dabbling in linux, was competing with a half dozen unix on x86 vendors, and was pushing JAVA as a "run anywhere" / platform agnostic environment.

in other words, very few people were hampered by the lack of a Solaris/86 version of their application.

Re:Ship has sailed (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294155)

I brought Linux into a shop because Solaris/x86 2.5.1 was a sad joke and they were formerly all Sun (plus two wintel PCs and one SGI)

Java (1)

Captain_Chaos (103843) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293119)

Java is also from Oracle, and runs really well on SPARC, and Java is still hugely popular for writing enterprise applications, so there may be some potential there for them. Oracle Database obviously runs on SPARC as well, so it makes a pretty good platform for large enterprise applications.

Re:Java (1)

ThorGod (456163) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293649)

That's a good point. Java is definitely in demand and wide use.

Missing the Point (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293251)

The posts so far are missing the point. The point is that Oracle certifies their products to run on their hardware. They have a captive audience.

We're running away from SPARC as fast... (4, Informative)

eyegor (148503) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293331)

We're running away from SPARC as fast as we can.

Our unix shop used to be primarily SPARC-based, but with limited IT budgets, we're able to do far more with much less money using HP blades running CentOS.

For most purposes, SPARC hardware is far too expensive and Oracle seems to be doing all they can to kill Solaris.

We still run a handfull of SPARC systems that run specialized applications and a few Solaris zones, but nearly all other services have been pushed to natively hosted Linux systems, or virtual machines running Windows or Linux.

Re:We're running away from SPARC as fast... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294361)

Penny wise Pound Foolish as they say! If you look at your total IT budget, probably less than 10% of it goes to HW purchases so even if you get your servers for free, that’s not where your IT is spending its budgets. ~70% of most companies IT budget is spent in determining sizing of systems/virtualization, deployment planning, installation, configuration, system optimization, scaling, patching & maintenance, platform administration, etc and when you move from SPARC/Solaris to x86/Linux, you may be getting (slightly) cheaper servers and what appears to be free CentOS, but you certainly wont be reducing that 70% of the budget and in many cases, its being increased dramatically. Theres less than a 30% different in 4-socket Xeon vs SPARC T4/SPARC T5 HW costs and theres no way you can compare Solaris 11 to latest CentOS which is really not at the same level of capabilities, performance and certainly not administration.

Re:We're running away from SPARC as fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294725)

Haha was this a Sun consultant posting from 2003?

This is FUD - "well the difference is really insignificant and any difference really goes away when you look at the big picture". I've gotten the same lines from IBM about their equipment as well. Everyone claims this and then I say I can hire 2x the number of linux admins for the cost of the Solaris or AIX specialist...

Re:We're running away from SPARC as fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295025)

I'm with you on the hardware (def more reliable), and _maybe_ on the reliability of the Solaris kernel compared to Linux (just too much code churn w/ Linux... too many bugs.) But you lost me at administration.

Solaris administration is utterly byzantine. And in any event, this is a Linux world. Even if system administration of a bare Solaris system were easier in the common case, software administration is much better on Linux, especially on apt-based distros.

The biggest cost in any budget is labor--wages and salaries. Nobody can afford dedicated system administrators, and Solaris just has too man knobs and too many commands for a multi-tasked IT administrator to deal with. There was a time when a sysadmin literally did nothing but sit at his console, preening his system, fiddling with storage layouts, etc. I read about how cool ZFS is, but then I see the ridiculous number of obtuse commands you need to stitch all that shit together into a useable filesystem and I want to cry.

Now stuff needs to be plug-and-pray. Solaris can do this, but not as easily as with Linux. There's too much baggage in Solaris.

Re:We're running away from SPARC as fast... (1)

sethmeisterg (603174) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294885)

What do you mean Oracle seems to be doing all they can to kill Solaris? They're POURing money in Solaris development.

Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293437)

If you think SPARC doesnt have a place in the server world, you aren't thinking deep enough. At my work we use Sun/Oracle hardware for our most important feature, file storage as their equipment is built like a tank. I've had more hardware failures in x86 hardware then I ever had with SPARC.

Also much like mainframes, there are just some workloads that have not left the stability provided by such hardware. Also when it comes to security, I've learned from contractors that they are able to virtualize non-confidential and confidential servers on the same machine since they are able to at the hardware level keep them completely separate.

Re:Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

eyegor (148503) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293485)

With the advent of cluster file systems, you don't have to pay for unreasonably expensive "bulletproof" hardware anymore. You can set up a Gluster storage cluster on commodity-grade X86 hardware get all the speed and redundancy you need (and are willing to pay for) at vastly cheaper prices. For those that don't want to roll their own, you can use commercial storage clusters by Isilon or storage virtualization devices such as the F5 Acopia with pretty much any storage underneath that you like.

Re:Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293595)

clustered file systems are decades old, this Gluster of which you speak is not suitable for serious financial computing as no mature software exists for it. and the company that makes it only has 60 employees, they are going to support a fortune 500's accounting wares? nope...

Re:Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

snadrus (930168) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293775)

Clustered filesystems were always very brittle in the past:
- a few controllers ran everything (single point of failure)
- limited access to them (special APIs you're expecting)
- difficult administration adding nodes and properly replicating

Advances have fixed these in Gluster, but it's new. There will be no "targeted software" since it's a filesystem. And as open-source, a 60-person company can easily produce something consumable by a huge company since they can share support effort.

Re:Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294807)

not at all, clustered filesystems talking normal system create/write/read have been around for decades. For example AFS, with as many "controllers" as you want, no special API, and easy admin and replication. sure, write performance slow, but it's a robust filesystem 30+ years old.

Support to a large corporation for mission critical apps means much more than just having some forums to answer questions, there is no way a small company could hope to provide such.

Re:Dont discount SPARC just yet (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293659)

I've worked with sparc machines for decades, Sun/Oracle is losing market share in SPARC realm, less than 5% now. it's dying, write it off, very little place in server world any more. Virtualization and IBM's various PPC architectures and x86-64 is eating its lunch. When an x86 server has a failure no one gives a shit, we pop the blade out, fix it, and slap it back in to join the virtualization cluster.

High priced, no support and little imagination (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293525)

The new T5 servers are outrageously priced compared to x86 based servers. They only support Solaris OS and don't have support for other key operating systems ( MS, Red Hat) or virtualization technologies (i.e. VMware). The architectural design does not simplify operations and make IT more agile. Oracle is designing systems as if its 2005.

Re:High priced, no support and little imagination (4, Insightful)

Score Whore (32328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293823)

You seem somewhat ignorant of the platform you are criticizing. Yes, we know it's not x86 so the fact that it doesn't run Windows isn't a surprise. You can run Linux on SPARC, don't know why you would want to though, Solaris is very good. No, it's not Linux, but it's still very good.

As far as virtualization goes, they've had hardware support for longer than the x86 line. The Niagara line of processes have had hypervisors as an integral part of the system since the first generation T-1 processors in the T-1000 servers.

Don't even know wtf you are talking about as far as "architectural design does not simplify operations and make IT more agile." Solaris supports all modern technologies commonly found in a data center.

Re:High priced, no support and little imagination (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293991)

Yeah, SPARC hardware business is knocking it out of the park(sarcasm). I rest my case with the 100% proprietary h/w and s/w stack consisting of SPARC hardware, Solaris, and hypervisor.
The industry has spoken and it wants best-of-breed offerings.

The T1000 started Sun's downfall. A fundamental miss in terms of what customers wanted from a feature perspective. The IDC revenue numbers don't lie. ;-)

yuo F2ail It!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293639)

Slow but bulletproof (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43293699)

They are bulletproof! Right now I am working on ultra 20 NIS+ servers that have been forgotten for 5 years. No hardware issues; no reboots. However I have a large oracle RAC cluster on 5220s that is slow as a dog. I'd really like to see what the T5s would do there, but for the money I'm sure we could do better with x64 hardware.

Re:Slow but bulletproof (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294073)

If you're still running NIS then I suggest you go with a LDAP or AD-integrated solution ASAP. Those NIS hashes can be brute forced reasonably quickly with modern computing power.

OpenSource Fud.Oracle is not dead to the unbiased (5, Insightful)

phocutus (670853) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293949)

I learned on Linux and Solaris (x86/SPARC) when I was 15, and I'm now 32 still using both (do the math).

A saying was told me to growing up, "Use the Proper Tool for the Job" which varies person to person, BUT for me SPARC and Solaris is the right tool. I see the OpenSource community as a great community. My WHOLE stack runs on OpenSource software. I beta-test/develop MUCH of my stuff on either Linux or OSX.

But when it comes to the production OS, I'm not some blanketed Linux bigot. I'm an *NIX Admin and an Architect at heart.

Professionally I'm a CTO (I do everything from programming php / data-center / network / DBA / UNIX / security / etc.) for an internet-based start-up that runs Solaris 10 and used SPARC CoolThread hardware in production. Baffled why? For a few reasons:

When I did a cost analysis of my time & the company's money vs Intel offerings and SPARC I eventually came away with these main points.

1.) SPARC hardware is still WAY superior with remote management than any x86 POS I've ever managed. The ALOM on a SPARC and a serial cable from my Mac works EVERY time. When I worked in past shops managing thousands of Linux Dells and HP's we had nothing but issues with ILOs from the hardware and OS side. Just pure donkey shit.

When you're a start-up buying used hardware it is a great way to cut cost where investors/owners LOVE. Frankly SPARC hardware in my experience can keep on chugging where those HPs and Dells are falling apart right and left. I don't have time to be fucking with hardware when I'm running the show of a million hats.

2.) LONG-term stability with Solaris 10 and maybe Solaris 11 (still evaluating) is a necessity to me. I work for a crazy ass mad-scientist type who does EVERYTHING custom. He's worse than the scientists that I worked with back at JPL-NASA. He has software that's been running for a decade, and the software/application I write with him now he wants to work years down the road as well. That means, I don't need to worry about a yum or apt get update that blows away some part that is critical to ONLY us and I gotta figure WTF happened. The OS is a critical back-bone element where I've seen "Linux dependency hell" fuck me so many times and cost me so many hours, that I PREFER building my own Solaris 10 packages and Solaris 11 (still in testing for me) packages (Yes, I'm a REAL UNIX admin no these lazy wanders) without worries that the OS will be compromised by something lame. In the long-run I have more freedom to enjoy time with my doggies.

When you work for a company that builds custom crap that. Everything it talks to regarding the OS needs to work without question. I have always have had that with Solaris SPARC and with Support till 2018 or extended 2021 by then I should be retired from the gig! But I KNOW nothing funky will happen with the OS while I'm working here. For each new x86 hardware update for Linux, it's a whole new 'testing' to make sure it doesn't blow up the OS on the next reboot. Never had that with SPARC of maintained properly.

With that long-term support and marriage to the hardware I know the relationship is TIGHT, that can be VERY useful when you're concerned with down the road support or integration. Dell or HP does a hardware update and the RedHat or Debian kernel or images haven't been added, then you gotta do a post image. FUCK THAT NIGHTMARE! SPARC WORKS end of story.

3.) Threads! NOTHING compares to SPARC when it comes to multiple threads and what not. My T2000's running 32 cores make damn good web-servers. They also save space in the rack as well!

4.) Virtualization is WAY superior than KVM or VMWare. I've used many of the OpenSource VM solutions and frankly non compare to the control that I can do with either LDOMs or Solaris Containers/zones.

5.) ZFS yeah, Linux we hear your promises of a bad-ass filesystem, I'm still waiting.

So, is Oracle and SPARC dead? Popularity may go down, that's normal, but it's not "dead" to anyone who has a reason/purpose to use the OS/hardware offered.

The world isn't one big LAMP stack.

Again, I'm not *against* Linux, I use it for development and personal shit all day. However, I'm not a blind follower either.

BUT CAN IT RUN CRYSIS?? (-1, Offtopic)

SpaceManFlip (2720507) | about a year and a half ago | (#43293987)

THat's all I wants to know, can it run the damn best game of all last decade? What? Yeah I wanna put the sniper scope and laser sight and silencer all together on the standard SCAR and play through the entire game like that even though it's the first gun you get. Can't do that in Crysis 2 or even 3 I bet.

Frosty piss or not, put them tiggaflops to bouncin' on some PDRK headshots and nano-powered super leaps.

16 threads per core? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294315)

How does this even make sense? Are we supposed to believe every core replicates every functional block 16 times? Or are we supposed to believe each of the 16 threads just so happens to only need a different 1/16th of the usual functional blocks found within a core?

Of course not. Of course not. We are talking server software functions re-purposed as hardware hacks in the core for speed boosts in incredibly limited circumstances. The PC or Android tablet you are reading this on also has 16+ threads per core, if by that you mean how many currently active threads will eventually run on the same core, as the scheduler gives each in turn some 'run-time'.

The problem with Oracle's horrible hard hacks in SPARC's CPU is that such hacks only offer a possible advantage while the apps are coded in highly specific ways. SPARC defeats the whole purpose of a general programmable CPU. If someone comes up with new data structures and algorithms for server side code bases, SPARC becomes a most unsuitable platform.

The solution to the 'inefficiency' of thread switching is NOT more hardware hacks, but LESS thread switching. For a single app to create masses of instances via masses of threads breaks most general CPU architectures, because of how the memory sub-systems work. The answer is to 'abstract' the threads in the code itself, rather than issue real threads to the OS. So that "16 threads per core" should be recoded as "1 thread per core" with "16 connections per thread".

Does it really matter? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294321)

To me database is just a resource, so I may be looking at this wrong, but it seems that the Oracle server is just an appliance, and it doesn't matter to me what architecture it runs on as long as it performs well. So buying an Oracle server on Sparc isn't really a matter of "it's not x86" or "it's not Power". Since I'm not going to use the box for anything except Oracle, the cpu architecture is immaterial. Not even the OS is important, as long as it works well.

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294485)

That underlying architecture affects how likely it will "perform well." There's a reason people tend to deploy server applications on UNIX systems rather than Windows.

Re:Does it really matter? (1)

eWarz (610883) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294811)

Should a server really be just an appliance? Servers must be kept up-to-date with the latest security updates, etc. Appliances are plug in and forget.

In addition, at my day job, we often re-purpose servers for various uses. A non x86 server would severely limit our options when it comes to this. For example, when we outgrow our current database server, we can purchase a new one and utilize the old one as a standby web server, development server, or something similar.

Oracle is hated more than MS ever was (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294689)

Having PO'ed every technophile in the world, Oracle actually expects anyone with a brain to recommend them as a path to go down? I recommend all of my clients move away from them at warp speed, and embrace other - faster, better - technologies. Oracle has managed to destroy everything it touches - I see no reason to expect they will do anything difference on this.

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