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Cold Spring Linked To Dramatic Sea Ice Loss

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the and-here-i-was-blaming-the-schools dept.

Earth 422

hrvatska writes "An article at Weather Underground reports that researchers have linked large snowstorms and cold spring weather across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice. It is thought that the Arctic ice loss adds heat to the ocean and atmosphere, which shifts the position of the jet stream, allowing cold air from the Arctic to plunge much further south. Researchers expect that a warming Arctic ocean will drive more extreme weather in North America and Europe (abstract)."

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Global warming (5, Funny)

cyrano.mac (916276) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294795)

Yep. Global warming is freezing our asses off...

Re:Global warming (5, Interesting)

lgw (121541) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294823)

Creation "science" has an explanation for all the related scientific data these days, and every time e.g. a geologist discovers something new and interesting, hey, no problem, they can change their story and explain that too.

Actual science predicts unusual measurements. Junk science says "hey, no problem, our model can explain that too".

Re:Global warming (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295055)

Science predicts. Definitely. Of course there is that other thing you need called a disprovable hypothesis.

Just a thought. Why didn't any of the AGW models predict the last 5 years?
I mean, if you want to laugh at faith-based belief systems, go ahead, but don't forget to include global warming in the mix. It's facts are as elusive as an creation theory.

Re:Global warming (5, Insightful)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295241)

They actually did. The last five years were within their margins of error.

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295397)

Yeah, this is pretty much what everyone should've expected from the predictions. I guess ~0.05% isn't good enough for you?

Re:Global warming (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295079)

They've been predicting this for as long as I can remember, and I'm quite old.

North-West Europe is warmer than it ought to be. The reason is warm water currents coming up from the Equator. It's called the Gulf Stream.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Europe#Gulf_Stream [wikipedia.org]

If anything disrupts the Gulf Stream, eg. extra ice melt at the North Pole, then Europe's climate will become what it ought to be for its latitude, ie. much colder..

Science. It works.

Re:Global warming (5, Insightful)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295113)

Junk science says "hey, no problem, our model can explain that too".

You mean like the way the AGW people suddenly realized that adding energy to the atmosphere meant more extreme weather, both hotter and colder, after we had some extra-cold winters? I can't say it's not reasonable, but I would have found it much more impressive if any of them had suggested this before it happened, rather than patching their theory to explain something that otherwise didn't fit.

Re:Global warming (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295217)

So, there's no room for learning and adaptation in your system? One must being with all the knowledge and proceed with all the answers? Man, life must be pretty fucking boring where you come from... but I guess you knew that already.

Re:Global warming (5, Informative)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295275)

It was actually predicted. Continuous global warming will weaken or stop the Gulf stream, and the Gulfstream is responsible for the quite mild European winters. It could be that now the Gulf stream shows the first sign of weakening, leading to a longer, colder winter in Europe.

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295391)

Ah, I see... this surely explains cold shit that happens in Texas right now...

Magic Gulf stream (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295439)

Man that Gulf stream is freaking magical. First it warms Europe by migrating warm air north and east across the Atlantic, and one has to presume also into the Arctic where it melts ice.
Then global warming shuts the stream down, and Europe gets cold.
So I assume that extra heat is sticking around the Gulf, right - making it hotter in the US?
(quickly revise model)
Oh, well, it's not colder because of all the cold air coming from the Arctic?
But I thought the Gulf stream was shutdown and therefore not conveying warm air.

Man that is one magic Gulf stream. It works and doesn't work at the same time it makes some things hot and others cold - depending on whatever keeps the grant money coming, right?

Re:Global warming (5, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295369)

Let's see, here [osti.gov] 's an academic paper mentioning cooler winters as an artifact of global warming, dated from before I was born. And I'm more than old enough to be having this debate with you. What exactly wasn't predicted?

Re:Global warming (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295451)

after we had some extra-cold winters

Wait? What? If anything the winter was slightly less cool than the previous 5 years, compared to 3 years ago it was right down balmy.

Re:Global warming (2, Insightful)

gmclapp (2834681) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295187)

Actual science predicts unusual measurements. Junk science says "hey, no problem, our model can explain that too".

This couldn't be more incorrect. Actual science is a method of observation and has no business in speculation. Either your scientific model describes the behavior of the natural world or you need to change your model to more accurately describe it. It's an ongoing process.

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295607)

What does the article have to do with creation science? Are you simply trying to connect people who keep an open mind about the cause of GW with creation science? If that is what you are trying to do then you are giving support to creation science.

Re:Global warming (1, Interesting)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294861)

Publicly: The reason you're freezing your ass off is that unprecedented Arctic ice melting is shifting the cold air further south, all caused by man-made Climate Change.

Privately: This cold weather is a travesty.

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295009)

"Cold" is warmer than "Really cold"

Re:Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295465)

All that arctic ice loss must have happened over the last year.
Because last spring was nice and warm.

Warning about fake impersonator... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294805)

Nearly 150++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:

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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 150 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]

&/or

B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here

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(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).

APK

P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 140++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Want to know why I'm modded down wrongly... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294841)

See here, explains it all -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43223585 [slashdot.org]

* :)

I.E./Summary: Trolls had a challenge put to them to validly disprove my points in the post I just replied to - result? Trolls FAIL... lol!

APK

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol, man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

Ah yes "geek angst" @ it's 'finest' (not), vs. facts & truths = downmod by /. weak trolls!

... apk

Re:Warning about fake impersonator... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294859)

We're just going to have to shoot them all. It's the only way to be sure.

Re: Warning about fake impersonator... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294919)

Sharks, lasers, space.

Don't try to deny your own bullshit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295131)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

apk on 4chan [4chan.org]

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INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]

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Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]

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Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]

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Professional. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]

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I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]

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extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]

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You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]

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Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]

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this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]

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You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]

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Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]

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Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]

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Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]

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I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk is a liar! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]

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Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42698875 [slashdot.org]

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Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3554655&cid=43209619 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, the hosts files have become self-aware and started hacking accounts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276783 [slashdot.org]

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What mad skillz you have!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273941 [slashdot.org]

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Am I the only one who enjoys this sort of insanity? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43281063 [slashdot.org]

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You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3580251&cid=43270359 [slashdot.org]

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Most insightful post on the Internet - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3579259&cid=43275207 [slashdot.org]

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I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588003&cid=43293069 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586303&cid=43291531 [slashdot.org]

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people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43278203 [slashdot.org]

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I think he wants it to be an article, but doesn't know how to submit it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586345&cid=43287717 [slashdot.org]

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Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [pastebin.com] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287671 [slashdot.org]
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290701 [slashdot.org]

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I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287553 [slashdot.org]

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When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290275 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586081&cid=43288893 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

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Disproof of all apk's statements:

OLD POST LINKS MIRRORED HERE:
http://pastebin.com/8yxcW3TJ [pastebin.com]

RECENT POST LINKS:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273839 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276593 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43277017 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582075&cid=43277273 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43278565 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3584857&cid=43282375 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578357&cid=43282481 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585297&cid=43283241 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585417&cid=43283695 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585451&cid=43284271 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585593&cid=43284843 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585827&cid=43285755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586081&cid=43286509 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586127&cid=43286699 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586137&cid=43287021 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287449 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586345&cid=43287755 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586303&cid=43289687 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586627&cid=43289733 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586589&cid=43290487 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3587901&cid=43290773 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588003&cid=43290983 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588135&cid=43292021 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588293&cid=43292235 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588505&cid=43293807 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585927&cid=43293997 [slashdot.org]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588749&cid=43294405 [slashdot.org]
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not "fake apk" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295305)

I think of the troller not as "fake apk" but the "Think About Your Breathing Troll". But I also see that you have fully absorbed the schtick of the "Mental Health Troll" by applying the technique yourself. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all that....

how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1, Interesting)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294813)

and earlier times

if you believe in global warming then the current cold temperatures are a return to normalcy and nothing to be alarmed about. up until the early 1900's when we had "normal" weather and temperatures NYC was so bitter cold that the rivers would freeze enough that people were able to walk from brooklyn to queens

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294917)

Global warming phenomina are a one-way function, obviously.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295577)

Depends on your time frame.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294921)

Ummm... you can walk from Brooklyn to Queens in the summertime without too much trouble...

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (2, Informative)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294939)

not over the water you can't

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (5, Informative)

jeffmeden (135043) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295535)

not over the water you can't

Exactly. There is no water between Brooklyn and Queens (they are both on Long Island). I LOLed.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295545)

Bridges? ...or did you mean ON the water?

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295085)

Queensboro Bridge wasn't completed until 1909, numbnuts.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295125)

Queensboro Bridge connects Queens and Manhattan, not Queens and Brooklyn, "numbnuts".

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (3, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295053)

So, do you think 1. Carbon doesn't absorb heat 2. Carbon in the atmosphere can't, for some reason, insulate the earth, trapping more heat 3. Combustion engines do not put out carbon 4. Burning of fossil fuels aren't significantly increasing carbon levels in the atmosphere 5. The carbon is getting taken out of the atmosphere at an increased level that corresponds to our increase in emissions or 6. That God or some higher power won't let the world change or 7. That using logic is a waste of time?

Honestly, I can't see many alternative hypotheses here that aren't ignoring reality. All arguments against it seem to be centered around "Nuh UH! It's NOT warming!" but I haven't really heard much talk about how that could not be the case. Carbon absorbs more heat and we're increasing the carbon doesn't seem to be under dispute. Being skeptical is good, but you don't get to reject hypotheses if you have no other way to explain the data.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295321)

All arguments against it seem to be centered around "Nuh UH! It's NOT warming!" but I haven't really heard much talk about how that could not be the case. Carbon absorbs more heat and we're increasing the carbon doesn't seem to be under dispute. Being skeptical is good, but you don't get to reject hypotheses if you have no other way to explain the data.

I find it a bit contradictory to pontificate about "explaining the data" when you don't actually mention any evidence other than rising carbon dioxide levels.

There's also the matter of the degree of effect. There is huge uncertainty in how global temperature changes as a result of changing concentrations of carbon dioxide. It's because there are important dynamics in Earth's climate, such as clouds and "extreme" weather, that can heat or cool in addition to the radiation blocking effects of carbon dioxide itself.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295449)

There's also the matter of the degree of effect. There is huge uncertainty in how global temperature changes as a result of changing concentrations of carbon dioxide. It's because there are important dynamics in Earth's climate, such as clouds and "extreme" weather, that can heat or cool in addition to the radiation blocking effects of carbon dioxide itself.

So.... extra CO2 is OK because the Earth might have some extreme weather up its sleeve to correct for man's emissions?

Question: Isn't "extreme weather" bad/harmful?

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295603)

So you just "imagined" away half of the guy's post? Is that how you dismiss all empirical evidence? LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SO YOU DON'T EXIST!

Sounds fairly typical coming from one obviously untrained in high school science.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295413)

IF global warming will cost money or convenience to stop then global warming is FALSE and must be DENIED.

Only problem with this is that the costs are already showing up in peoples insurances., and within my life time I expect insurance companies will no longer cover certain parts of the world, ie coastal regions of the US prone to hurricanes, inland areas prone to tornados, european area prone to flooding events etc.

Insurance companies are a business, and they will see these areas represent a risk not worth taking well before most people are willing to start walking/cycling/using public transport .

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (3, Interesting)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295527)

Only problem with this is that the costs are already showing up in peoples insurances.

Ever hear of moral hazard? The US federal government has millions of dollars for disaster relief from floods, but can't find thousands of dollars for disaster prevention. They are effectively paying the world to build in the US's flood-prone areas. Insurance companies won't touch that.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (3, Informative)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295443)

Ok, I'm not saying that Global warming isn't happening, but you're just so off base I've got to correct you.

1. Everything absorbs heat (well almost everything)
2. There is no carbon in the atmosphere. It's Carbon dioxide, a GAS. One's an element, the others not. Christ. CO2 absorbs radiation from the sun and then re-radiates it in all directions. So heat that was at one time moving linearly, is now diffuse and goes in all directions. Radiation that traveled down to the earths surface and was then reflected back my ice, snow, water, or whatever, would normally have an unimpeded path back to space. But when it hits the atmosphere, the atmosphere again diffuses the radiation. Some gasses can absorb more than others. The majority of our atmosphere is made up of mostly Nitrogen followed by oxygen. They do not absorb a lot of radiation. By far, the fast majority of greenhouse effect is generated by water vapor (70% or more) followed by CO2. CO2 accounts for less than 0.04% of the atmosphere.
3. Combustion engines do produce carbon, it's deposited on valves, cylinders, exhaust pipes... lucky for us ITS NOT A GAS.
4. They don't, so lets pretend for a second you know what CO2 is, and understand that burning fossil fuels produces carbon dioxide and not carbon. That's fine... but the fact of the matter is burning fossil fuels doesn't significantly increase CO2 in the atmosphere. Even diehard global warming supporting scientists wouldn't say that. They'd argue that the modest increase our activity is creating is dangerous. But futhermore, CO2 isn't the biggest problem. Water vapor is. The soot from Coal burning power plants, factories and poorly maintained car exhausts are an even bigger problem. Soot gets into the atmosphere and gives water droplets something to cling to... they increase water vapor in the atmosphere. But scientists don't want the issue to get swept under the rug, after all, CO2 is still a problem if not quite as bad. So lets get of all fossil fuels they say.
5. God damn it learn what carbon is!
6. If there was a God, he'd have stuck you dead by now.
7. What in your entire previous six points had anything to do with logic? You don't even know what CARBON is, how the greenhouse effect works, and you're trying to school someone on their stupidity in regards to both?

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1)

bdwebb (985489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295487)

The point seems to be that even though we know these things about carbon and its increased absorption rates of heat, popular opinion and most Global Warming "scientists" declare that this will lead to a warming trend globally. Many studies indicate that the exact opposite of what the article describes will happen and the article seems to be grasping at straws to tie it into the 'warming' debate.

Ultimately we are certainly impacting our climate in ways that it would not be impacted were we either not here or not as efficient at producing carbon. In the grand scheme of things, however, the climate changes all the time (hence the more scientific and respected term 'Climate Change' as opposed to Global Warming) and what needs to be understood is whether or not the impact we have on the climate's historic cycles of change is significant enough to cause those changes to happen sooner or later. From what I have seen and read, there is a consensus that there is an impact but even real scientists argue about whether or not the Earth or its' climate really give a damn.

Uneducated or uninformed people call Climate Change science 'Global Warming' and attempt to link anything counter-intuitive (as in this article) in some way to their argument so that they are not wrong. Other uneducated/uninformed people say Global Warming is a farce because of trends like the one this article is examining. Ultimately, people need to stop being obsessed with spewing out whatever retarded opinion Al Gore or his detractors have like it is fact and do some research themselves. Everyone is so certain that they are correct but what we need is informed people to come together from both sides of the Climate Change debate and figure out the science behind it so that we can understand the impact we have and how climate shifts occur, be it as a result of our actions or simple natural processes.

IMO, 'alen' to whom you responded actually presents a more compelling argument than you do because of the simple fact that he is exploring alternatives. Your argument is more along the Ancient Aliens line of reasoning - i.e. something remotely resembling an insect (or a rocket ship) is carved in stone thousands of years ago, therefore Aliens..DUH! Just because elevated levels of carbon are present in the atmosphere (which inevitably raises heat to some degree) doesn't mean that the entire Earth's climate is or will be impacted significantly enough to change things drastically. You are assuming WAY too much.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (1)

Kingkaid (2751527) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295589)

So, do you think 1. Carbon doesn't absorb heat 2. Carbon in the atmosphere can't, for some reason, insulate the earth, trapping more heat 3. Combustion engines do not put out carbon 4. Burning of fossil fuels aren't significantly increasing carbon levels in the atmosphere 5. The carbon is getting taken out of the atmosphere at an increased level that corresponds to our increase in emissions or 6. That God or some higher power won't let the world change or 7. That using logic is a waste of time? Honestly, I can't see many alternative hypotheses here that aren't ignoring reality. All arguments against it seem to be centered around "Nuh UH! It's NOT warming!" but I haven't really heard much talk about how that could not be the case. Carbon absorbs more heat and we're increasing the carbon doesn't seem to be under dispute. Being skeptical is good, but you don't get to reject hypotheses if you have no other way to explain the data.

Carbon is inert and just sits there... think of charcoal of graphite. Carbon monoxide, but mostly carbon dioxide is likely what you're talking about. It is important to know the distinction. Why are you worried about carbon (or carbon dioxide)... really? Look at the data and while it has increased with temperatures, so have other things. CO2 is easy to deal with. Methane in the air absorbed 16x more heat then carbon dioxide and isn't absorbed as easily by the environment. Know your science before trying to make a point :P

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (2)

nimbius (983462) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295355)

if you understand the science of climate change

FTFY.

Re:how does 2013 compare to the 1980's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295475)

How did this garbage get moderated 'interesting'?

1. Brooklyn and Queens are connected BY LAND.

2. The "current cold temperatures" as you put it, are seasonal and geographically restricted. Globally, temperatures are warmer than ever (and sea ice is at an all time low) in recorded history.

What? The system is self-regulating? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294821)

I'm shocked.

Re:What? The system is self-regulating? (1)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295297)

No. It's not. It could be the (long predicted) weakening of the Gulf stream, which leads to colder and longer winters in Europe.

so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

alen (225700) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294855)

too warm people scream global warming
we get a cool March, which is the opposite of warming and the same people say its too cold

what exactly are normal temperatures supposed to be this time of year? at least for the northeast US?

we need one of the bitter winters from 1940 or earlier to teach people what normal temperatures are supposed to be like. Maybe a "normal" summer like 1815 when its like 50 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294899)

I wonder what the argument sounds like from someone who didn't read the article, let alone the peer reviewed paper published in Nature?

too warm people scream global warming we get a cool March, which is the opposite of warming and the same people say its too cold

what exactly are normal temperatures supposed to be this time of year? at least for the northeast US?

Ahh, thanks. Now all we're missing is some anecdotes that "prove" this research to be wrong and ...

we need one of the bitter winters from 1940 or earlier to teach people what normal temperatures are supposed to be like. Maybe a "normal" summer like 1815 when its like 50 degrees Fahrenheit in the summer

Well done, hats off to you, alen. You came here with no additional information and you left making those around you stupider. It's impressive, to say the least.

Re: so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43294967)

Sorry, Charlie, but they have to prove their claims as correct. We don't have to prove them wrong.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295003)

And yet you somehow avoided answering his basic question which was "WTF are normal temperatures then?" I've asked a lot of people that questions and am always greeted by a deer in the headlights look and silence. It's a simple question which no one seems to be able to answer, and you would think that the answer would be central to the AGW theory, that there is some ideal temperature that we are no longer "enjoying."

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295325)

It's easy. Normal temperatures are called "long term average of the temperature or deviations thereof within the standard deviation".

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295031)

Shifting weather patterns make perfect sense. Us being 6 billion people strong and contributing to it makes sense. What these scientist are saying on a month to month basis doesn't... I believe it's called junk science.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294979)

Simple answer: We don't really know

Scientific answer: something about wearing your ass for a hat every time you drive to work to pay their research grants.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

Sique (173459) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295351)

Simple answer: The weakening of the Gulf stream, long predicted as a direct impact of AGW, which leads to longer and colder winters in Europe.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294997)

Normal temperatures are temperatures not affected by the extra CO2 in the atmosphere.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (3, Insightful)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295001)

There's a reason most scientists use the more accurate term climate change.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (4, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295411)

Indeed. "Climate change" is an effective propaganda technique for enabling observation bias. Have any weird weather? It's climate change and all due to the evil humans and their fossil fuel based industrial societies.

As you might have guessed from my sarcasm, I don't buy at all that the phrase, "climate change" is somehow more accurate than anthropogenic global warming. Climate would change even if nothing particular was going on, just due to orbital dynamics of Earth around the Sun, volcanoes, and the subtle effects of continental drift.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (4, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295037)

Fundamentally, a stable climate is an illusion of the "short now". We think there's such a thing as "normal" temps because we just don't live very long, compared to a planet.

Even on a larger scale, the past 10,000 years have been an amazing anomaly, with a relatively stable climate not seen anywhere else in the data (and it's probably no coincidence that mankind happened to emerge technologically during this rare stable-ish window).

The simple truth about all this Climate Change debate? You don't have an informed opinion either way until you've really looked at the Vostok ice core data [wikipedia.org] . Study the raw data for the past several 100k years yourself - you're intuition is no guide at all for how the climate normally behaves over time.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (4, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295281)

Of course, large-scale climactic changes over tens or hundreds of thousands of years are a red herring when evaluating the impact of hundred-year rapid timescale changes on human societies that need much longer to adapt without horrific violence and misery. We live in very different places/cities from where we did 10,000 or 100,000 years ago --- but pretty much in the same cities we had 100 years ago. Expecting the populations of entire nations and continents to just up-and-move over a few decades because habitable ranges have shifted (collapsing food and water supplies in once-fertile regions) doesn't play out so well in current geopolitics. As soon as you're ready to welcome a billion refugee immigrants, dislocated by famine, war, and poverty, into your own country, we can get complacent about compressing multi-thousand-year climactic cycles into human-scale time intervals.

Exactly why I'm a firm believe in AGW (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295509)

Even on a larger scale, the past 10,000 years have been an amazing anomaly, with a relatively stable climate not seen anywhere else in the data (and it's probably no coincidence that mankind happened to emerge technologically during this rare stable-ish window).

That is why so clearly this anomaly is the result of AGW - Alien Generated Warming. They saw potential in us as a species so they elevated global temperatures for a time, in order for us to reach the point where we are technologically able to continue the warming trend they began - if we can figure out that we need to. That's the test required to enter the IPC (Intergalactic Planetary Coalition).

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

khallow (566160) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295585)

the past 10,000 years have been an amazing anomaly, with a relatively stable climate

You mean like the previous oh, 100,000 years which had more or less stable glaciation going on? I think the last 10,000 years aren't remarkable for have a stable climate (for example, sea level rose about 60 meters during that time), but because they were an unusually warm time for Earth's climate.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (3, Insightful)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295045)

Consistent deviations from long established and statistically significant patterns are an indicator to people with a modest amount of rational scientific understanding that the climate system is increasingly getting out of whack. What's so hard to comprehend about that?

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

demonlapin (527802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295173)

Out of whack? Sounds like a self-correcting feedback loop to me. Too little sea ice -> colder temperatures -> more sea ice -> warmer temperatures. Or am I missing something else?

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295315)

You are missing that this march is marked by a particular weather pattern which is just as much out of whack as, say, this february's pattern. Look at february - Gistemp [nasa.gov] data here. Looking ahead for complete March, we will probably see significant arctic warming with a temporary cold snap in the lower latitudes.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295605)

...and you're missing while we have a colder winter up here, the total global average temperature still goes up - nothing self correcting about it all, just local/regional wider changes within the overall trend. Just like a cow within a herd can move a bit north while overall the herd moves a bit south.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295175)

i'm gonna go with "rational", maybe "modest", and definitely "understanding". Of course they won't respond to you, because I believe the issue IS comprehension.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

jovius (974690) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295135)

There's a skew factor set that's not a part of the recent rather nicely oscillating glacial cycle or that wasn't a part of the past weather extremes. I'd say normal weathers are those which happen in an environment without the excessive human energy input. The whole planet is affected whether you were or weren't part of it. When the input ceases and the planet response fluctuations ease that's the new normal. Although the coming down period if it happens will probably create a new balance seeking process.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295169)

It's also sort of entertaining that when the temperature is different from the average temperature (I prefer that term to "normal"), it's because of global warming or climate change.

No, I'm not a denier. But just because it's been a cold March doesn't mean "climate change." Give me two or three cold Marches in a row, I'll start thinking about it. Otherwise, it's as stupid as the people who, after a big snow storm in DC, said, "Hey, where's that global warming we hear about?"

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295347)

Normal temperatures are exactly that, the ones you mentioned.

And due to the way modern cities have been built with the fact that "it is so hot", when the weather gets worse over the coming decade, they are going to regret building such shitty buildings as they are going to got 50 arms and legs to keep warm.
I'm unlucky to be in said constructions with new thin walls instead of the old houses with nearly 2 meter thick walls like the family holiday flat. (and even that thing gets nippy during winter, I know because we went up for a week in february to clean it up and do some painting)

Global warming and cooling aren't a thing, climate change, however, is. Hot places get hotter, cold places get colder, and the bits in the middle will get considerably worse than both combined with the colliding weather fronts.
I'm in the middle of 4 main weather groups, russia, the arctic, mainland europe and the gulf stream. Oddly, this is more stable than the North-east of America, that place gets whacked silly with storms, and it will get considerably worse in the next decade, not even century.
Katrina was a freak, but that last catastrophe of a storm is just progressive weather change now.
There is even a chance of another mini ice-age in the north areas again.

My opinion on it? Move to stable weather areas or build a basement house in your house and wait a century till things get better.

Re:so WTF are normal temperatures then? (2)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295477)

too warm people scream global warming
we get a cool March, which is the opposite of warming...yada yada yada

Logic 101: Global warming doesn't exclude local cooling.

Hear come the deniers. (0)

drsmack1 (698392) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294879)

So, what sort of weather cannot be somehow linked to capitalism - whoops, sorry. I mean global warming? I'm try to keep score at home.

Re:Hear come the deniers. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294911)

Solar storms? ;-)

Re:Hear come the deniers. (1)

drsmack1 (698392) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295019)

That's a good try, but I'm pretty sure that at some point during his presidency, that George * Bush mentioned the existence of the sun. So any issues with solar output can and will be blamed on him.

That's how it works; it's so easy only a child can understand it.

Re:Hear come the deniers. (1)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295143)

When you are done with that genocide on strawmen, you could start educating yourself.

Re:Hear come the deniers. (0, Flamebait)

drsmack1 (698392) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295515)

It's pretty arrogant to reflexively interpret disagreement with ignorance of the subject. I bet this is a constant issue with you. Of course you may be the exception, but it is hard for me to find a global warming supporter that has anything more than paper-thin knowledge in the form of talking points when I try to discuss it.

Of course arguing with autistic spectrum people is always a trying thing. You people are just so unpleasant in just about every way. And due to AS issues they are unable to understand or care why this is.

My only wish is that the scientific political weapons of the liberal/marxist were subjected to the same sort of scientific method as any other part of science. The fact that you have the reflexive knee-jerk orthodoxy is complete proof that this is not a valid scientific process.

In any valid scientific process, when another scientist points out a possible flaw in your data or conclusions, the reaction is not a demonization process and a concerted group effort to have that person destroyed professionally. The reaction is more like, Hmm, that's interesting. Let me look at this again. A real man of science invites debate and scrutiny; this is because they are either right and welcome the discussion to prove it, or they REALLY want to know if they themselves are in error.

But that is when you are really interested in science, not simply the appearance of science to hide your agenda.

But this is not how you people are, is it? The reaction from people such as yourself is immediate demonization, no different than how the catholic church dealt with Galileo. Your arguments (in the macro sense) are no more provable than the church's was.

Re:Hear come the deniers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295027)

Also, cosmic rays.

Earthquakes and volcanism use to be Acts of God (tm) as well, but today these too are understood to be fault of rich, white, heterosexual male citizens of the US.

Re:Hear come the deniers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295277)

its understandable though, as a fairly rich, white heterosexual male, most of the shit is our fault. I know its a real bitch to blamed for shit but rich white people spent centuries blaming the same things on poor minorities, your just pissed because you can no longer convince all of us that its not our responsibility, its some niggers fault, specifically that one in the white house and his uppity wife too. Its ok as i white man i understand your frustration, they key to getting past it, however, is to come to the realization that things haven't really changed that much, its not that your opinion is largely irrelevant now, its that it was never really that relevant to begin with.

Technically (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294947)

we are still in an ice age. Skiiers, snowboarders and global warming enthusiasts would prefer we remain in the ice age.

Re:Technically (1)

bunratty (545641) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295069)

And anyone who lives on or has a business on the seashore. And millions of farmers and others that depend on rainfall patterns to continue to supply the water they need.

Re:Technically (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295129)

First: "Global warming enthusiast"? Really? Come on.

Second: I don't think you're considering what a neo-tropical environment would actually be like.

Re:Technically (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295247)

"Skiiers, snowboarders and global warming enthusiasts would prefer we remain in the ice age."

So to, I would imagine, the millions of people in low lying coastal areas that will be forced to move as rising sea levels flood their homes, or at the very minimum make living there untenable as even minor storm surges inundate their homes. Not to mention if some of the theories surrounding the current saline balance being necessary to maintain the current Thermohaline circulation cycle are correct. If those currents changed the climates of several regions would change drastically.

Queue stupid comments from team creationism! (0, Flamebait)

eagee (1308589) | about a year and a half ago | (#43294965)

Why is it that with only 4 posts up (when I wrote this) I'm already pissed off? I guess I already know just how-many-stupid-things are about to be written here, and 'resigning to it in silent fury... Debating climate deniers is like getting a beer with a bunch of birthers (literally). Science has an amazing way of reinforcing crazy stupid by presenting contradicting, independently verifiable facts, sometimes it's too painful to watch.

Re:Queue stupid comments from team creationism! (4, Insightful)

Mindcontrolled (1388007) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295083)

Science has an amazing way of reinforcing crazy stupid by presenting contradicting, independently verifiable facts

I suppose you mean seemingly contradictory, when viewed on a superficial level without real understanding of the matter?

LOL AGW FTW (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295005)

I'm seriously you guys, it's colder because it's warmer!

Bububu.. (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295011)

But! But! Global warming is a scam!! Lord Monckton and the Murdoch press told me so!!!

Re:Bububu.. (1, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295533)

Look. Stop. When you're about to post in a climate thread, ask yourself "Does this debate need another flimsy strawman argument?" If you answered "yes", regardless of what you believe, you are part of the problem, and why there is still "debate".

It's obvious (2, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295041)

Where I live, it's cold right now. That means that annual global average temperature must be colder than it was last year.

(Of course, this is silly "logic", but that's what most Americans in particular tend to be thinking)

Re:It's obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295183)

Where I live, it's cold right now. That means that annual global average temperature must be colder than it was last year.

(Of course, this is silly "logic", but that's what most people in particular tend to be thinking)

FTFY, really getting tired of the hurr durr, muricans r dumb meme.

Re:It's obvious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295415)

Especially since we're at the forefront of the fight to get emissions under control, albeit against the wishes of fully half the country. My tax dollars go to fund green tech in developing countries so they don't develop the kind of oil dependence that we're trying to kick right now, and I support that wholeheartedly. That the sheep shouting racist slogans at our President and openly supporting policies that will impoverish their own futures while further concentrating wealth in the very clique that is increasingly running this country somehow fail to grasp the concepts of AGW comes as no surprise to anyone with an IQ above room temperature. Nor is it really surprising that these types of people can be found in all corners of the world: some strap bombs to their chests, while others riot and murder over soccer matches; we all have our village idiots to contend with.

Re:It's obvious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295491)

It's not a meme. Americans have this weird tendency to be either astonishingly stupid or startlingly smart. There doesn't seem to be much of a middle ground for some reason.

Re:It's obvious (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295437)

Where I live, it's cold right now. That means that annual global average temperature must be colder than it was last year.

I look forward to your posting in July berating people who think the hotter temperatures point to obvious effects from global warming.

Re:It's obvious (0)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295553)

(Of course, this is silly "logic", but that's what most Americans in particular tend to be thinking)

Instead, people like you tend not to think at all. In my experience, almost nobody who is such a strong defender of action on global warming can even explain what "annual global average temperature" even means and how it is measured.

Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295205)

2011: Britain's hot spring could be result of shrinking Arctic [guardian.co.uk]
Meteorologist Tim Woollings, of Reading University, said: "Climate models are starting to show some agreement that jet streams will shift slight closer to the poles in response to increases in greenhouse gases."

2012: Met Office: Arctic sea-ice loss linked to colder, drier UK winters [guardian.co.uk]
Slingo told the MPs that there is "increasing evidence in the last few months of that depletion of ice, in particular in the Bering and Kara seas, can plausibly impact on our winter weather and lead to colder winters over northern Europe". She added that more cold winters mean less water, and could exacerbate future droughts.

2013: Scientists link frozen spring to dramatic Arctic sea ice loss [guardian.co.uk]
Climate scientists have linked the massive snowstorms and bitter spring weather now being experienced across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice.

AGW theory is junk science (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295271)

Love all the posters trying to support a theory that is hardly more factual than creationism.

Sorry, but a key to the scientific method is having a disprovable hypothesis. AGW supporters skip over this and jump into "faith" like any good acolyte.

If you want me to believe your 100 year model for climate, you need to get the next 5 right. Since predictions of the last 5 have been an utter FAIL, you have a lot of work to do.

Yeah, I get that melting ice could make things cold, but why wasn't this predicted? Instead of casting doubt on your assumptions or the predictive ability of the model, or the fact it's obvious it is incomplete, you attack a legitimate critique.

If you want to see stubborn faith, look in the mirror.

WTF mate??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295303)

Just wth does a terrorist group, the Weather Underground, have anything to do with the bloody weather????

Not everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295363)

In Mexico City the weather has gone crazy, one week there is cold (less than 10 c) and the next is damn hot (27+ c). All March has been like this, is fucking annoying.

who cares? (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295519)

So what if the North Pole is ice free? Ice free poles have been the normal state for our planet for most of the time that primates have been around.

Great to stay credible. Where's my maple sugar? (3, Informative)

Anti Cheat (1749344) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295521)

Last month the cold weather was because warm air from the south rose over the arctic cold air, thus forcing the colder arctic air down to the southern latitudes. So now it is because last summer there was less ice that froze over long before spring ever came. So how again did the ice covering all the arctic now has caused a colder spring? Did anyone tell these guys that the arctic is still frozen over as we speak? It's not open water. So why is the jet stream being affected? I'm just not clear on all this.
I do know one thing. It's still cold outside and the sow is still on the ground. How is this different from any other Canadian winter or spring for that matter? I'm just lucky enough to remember the weather before all this global warming came along. So how is it different again? How is getting snow in the winter anything unusual? How is snow on the ground in March different? How is maple sugar season changed?

Just wondering (0, Troll)

i (8254) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295555)

How come that:

When the weather is hot, it's a prof of global warming.
When the weather is cold, it's a prof of global warming.
When the wind is strong, it's a prof of global warming.
When the wind is weak, it's a prof of global warming.
When it's dry, it's a prof of global warming.
When it's wet, it's a prof of global warming.

It's a bit cold... (2)

Gordonjcp (186804) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295567)

... but it's not unusually cold. This is what the weather is like in the UK. Spring is a fairly unpredictable time of year, in a part of the world where the weather is generally unpredictable.

A couple of years ago we had weeks of -25ÂC weather during the winter, but in the last two it barely got below freezing. This winter, of course, it's going to be back to really cold, or maybe it's going to be back to really warm, or maybe just kind of middling with lots of rain.

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