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Most IT Admins Have Considered Quitting Due To Stress

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the take-note-managers dept.

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Orome1 writes "The number of IT professionals considering leaving their job due to workplace stress has jumped from 69% last year to 73%. One-third of those surveyed cited dealing with managers as their most stressful job requirement, particularly for IT staff in larger organizations. Handling end user support requests, budget squeeze and tight deadlines were also listed as the main causes of workplace stress for IT managers. Although users are not causing IT staff as much stress as they used to, it isn't stopping them from creating moments that make IT admins want to tear their hair out in frustration. Of great concern is the impact that work stress is having on health and relationships. While a total of 80% of participants revealed that their job had negatively impacted their personal life in some way, the survey discovered some significant personal impact: 18% have suffered stress-related health issues due to their work, and 28% have lost sleep due to work."

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IT admins are special (5, Funny)

Tourney3p0 (772619) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295895)

Join the club. We meet at the bar after work.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Insightful)

Kaptain Kruton (854928) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296003)

The bar must be empty because the work never ends.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Insightful)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296303)

agreed with Tourney... lots of jobs really suck, and lots of people are stressed to the point of health impacts and have considered quitting. Many of these jobs pay significantly less than IT wages. also, the survey in the summary showed a jump from 69% last year to 73% this year? stop the presses!

Re:IT admins are special (1)

sortius_nod (1080919) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296337)

We prefer to drink alone anyway, everyone's just another fucking user.

In all seriousness, I've quit admin jobs due to stress, & would do it again if put in the same position. Luckily, I have a great boss now & a fairly cruisy admin job.

Re:IT admins are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296595)

We prefer to drink alone anyway, everyone's just another fucking user.

God DAMN that's the truth. I'm so sick of everyone by the end of my 60 hour work week - that decompression consists of putting the phone in airplane mode and getting immersed in TV. Alone.

Re:IT admins are special (1)

dragon-file (2241656) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296613)

See this is why i settle for lower paying IT jobs that require very little out of me. Hell, I spend most of my time looking busy and reading books on my phone. Granted I'm not making much over 40k, but i don't have kids or anything so it's fine. Sure there are always stressful moments like last week when the server power supply went out but all in all I think i have it good.

Re:IT admins are special (3, Insightful)

datavirtue (1104259) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296651)

Admin is just a step up from help desk, hang out too long and it will begin to suck badly. If you fail to increase your skills (most admins) and your ability to add value, then it will start to suck badly after a number of years--it's boring. How many servers can you provision or user accounts can you setup before pulling your fucking hair out? Learn to code, become a professional DBA, or acquire some more skills that makes you valuable, like perhaps getting involved with business intelligence. Admins are a commodity. Yes, it is easy to hang out and collect a paycheck, but don't whine when your value wanes and people direct you around like a monkey boy.

Re:IT admins are special (4, Funny)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296373)

Keep a bottle in your desk so the bar never ends.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296063)

As an software engineer(and thus not an IT admin), IT admins have it much worse than most middle class office workers. They get shit on over the smallest thing, and are the only IT employees who are expected to deliver within minutes of being asked. I don't think it's a stretch to say their stress levels might be higher than yours.

Re:IT admins are special (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296513)

To be fair, the way we design networks sucks. Way too much remote hardware and permissions. Way too little graceful failure. Add to that custom in-house software written by brogramming monkeys.

Way too much of this "You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now (bangs on table) you have network issues."

Re:IT admins are special (2)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296069)

Join the club. We meet at the bar during work.

FTFY [] .

Re:IT admins are special (4, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296093)

In terms of certain job expectations they are. These include longer hours and working weekends and during the 3rd shift.

A lot of mundanes don't understand this. They hear that you've got some office job and they don't understand why you would be working those kinds of hours.

Clueless spouses can add to the stress level. Even spouses that are part of the workforce can be ignorant and unsympathetic.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296137)

No your wife will not understand no matter what your job is. She will undoubtedly have worked more then you did, no matter what.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Funny)

ogar572 (531320) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296357)

Based on this comment, it seems you have been married awhile.

Re:IT admins are special (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296179)

This should be modded informative not funny.

When the clock says 17:30 the drinking can begin. Until my next on call rotation, then I have to be sober for a whole week. That shit should be illegal.

Re:IT admins are special (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296193)

I am expected to be on call 24/365 even on my vacation (but I am not expected to come into the office if I am abroad or can come up with a good excuse, then I only have to control one of the other ppl by remote.. until the problem is resolved). I have been trying to get them to hire a second person but "the economy does not allow it". We are just under 300 employees + about 50 consultants and have every legacy system imaginable (even still some VMS machines). I have shitty pay (4k/month) and cant get a job anywhere else since I just turned 50. Life for the ageing sysadmin are GREAT!

Re:IT admins are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296263)

If you call $4000 every fucking MONTH a shitty pay I have absolutely no sympathy for you.

Re:IT admins are special (5, Insightful)

BrokenSoldier (737420) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296323)

Depends on where he lives.

Re:IT admins are special (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296327)

That is only $48k. That is terrible pay for sysadmin work.

Re:IT admins are special (2)

Shadow99_1 (86250) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296427)

It's typical for the state of Pennsylvania outside Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, or Philly... Actually I made slightly less.... Went back to school for business because I can certainly do anything my bosses ever did and they made 2-10x what I did...

Re:IT admins are special (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296545)

I would not open xterm for that kind of money. Is this windows only folks maybe?

Re:IT admins are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296377)

48K is not particularly good. Consider how much it would cost to pay a mortgage, a car loan, all the bills, maintenance on your property, put your kids through school, etc. and it's not really enough.

Re:IT admins are special (1)

DrGamez (1134281) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296415)

$4k a month? Not shitty pay.
$4k a month for 24/7 on-call access? Shitty pay.

Hours in a (30 day) month: 720.
$4k for that entire month works out to about $5.50 an hour.

Of course this is a little silly to think that you will be working all 24 hours of every single day, but even if you cut out the weekends (I'll say 9 weekends in a 30 day month) this means you're working 504 hours, which works out to be almost $8 an hour.

Even if we break this down further and say, nobody will call you on the weekends or late night (HA), giving you a "simple" 12 hour work day you end up working 252 hours, which works out to be $15/hr.

Nobody is saying $4k isn't a nice chunk of change to bring home every day, but consider this: if he was working a normal 40 hour workweek (more like 50 knowing the IT field), he would be making $23 an hour - which is a pretty decent salary... for someone who's working 40 hours a week in an office.

You have no sympathy because I'm not sure you really understands what it means to be on-call 24 hours a day.

Re:IT admins are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296593)

No sympathy?

OK, lets do the math:
Taxes, about 1k
Housing, about 1k
Cars/fuel, about 500
Food (two ppl), about 300
3 x Kids (school, clothes, etc.), about 1k

YAY! 200 for happy fun time, savings and unforeseen expenses.

Re:IT admins are special (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296631)

4k is laughable. I'm at 140k/year as a sysadmin, minimal oncall (maybe one or two incidents a month)

get a new job

Re:IT admins are special (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296295)

Which Bar? The Foo Bar?

Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295915)

Nearly 150++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:


A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 150 or so times I noted above) -> []


B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here


(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).


P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 140++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Re:Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296081)

I'm replying to both you and the other guy: we don't care and minimize both of your rants as soon as we see them.

The more you try to fight the troll, the more you feed him.

Don't quit, just make another account. It's just a stupid user ID, get over it.

Re:Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296313)

Quitting is also a viable option.

Re:Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (1)

raydobbs (99133) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296467)

I used to just keep reporting it as spam. Over and over and over again - but apparently that flag does nothing, so I gave up.

laughing-girls.jpg (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296487)

>he thought the flag did something

Re:Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296139)

Keep on taking the bait. That will make it go away, I'm sure. /sarcasm

Nobody cares but you and the trolls and you're encouraging the trolls. Seriously, knock it off.

Didn't mean to cause you any stress, brosephski (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296223)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.


apk on 4chan []




That was amazing. - []


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - []


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - []


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - []


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - []


[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - []


Can I have some of what you're on? - []


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - []


oh come on.. this is hilarious. - []


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - []


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - []


As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - []


It's actually a very clever parody of APK - []


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - []


$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - []


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - []


And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - []


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - []


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - []


Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - []


golfclap - []


The Truth! wants to be Known! - []


DNS cube? - []


KUDOS valiant AC. - []


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - []


You made my day, thanks! - []


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - []


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - []


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - []


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - []


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - []


You got that right. I think. - []


Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - []


ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - []


I miss Dr Bob. - []


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - []


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - []


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - []


I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - []


1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - []


What? - []


I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - []


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - []


er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - []


performance art - []


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - []


Seems more like an apk parody. - []


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - []


Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - []


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - []


I can has summary? - []


I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - []


If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - []


DAFUQ I just look at? - []


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - []


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - []


Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - []


Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - []


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - []


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - []


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - []


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - []


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - [] []


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - []


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - []


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - []


Best. Troll. Ever. - []


I like monkeys. - []


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - []


lul wut? - []


I admire this guy's persistence. - []


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - []


Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - []


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - []


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - []


^ Champion Mod parent up. - []


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - []


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - []


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - []


Don't hate the player, hate the game. - []


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - []


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - [] []


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - []


The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - []


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - []


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - []




I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - []


Can I be in your quote list? - []


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - []


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - []


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - []


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - []


Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - []


I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - []


You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - []


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - []


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - [] []


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - [] []


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - []
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - []


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - []


you have a point - []


I do admire that level of dedication. - []


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - []


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - []


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - []


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - []


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - []


Happy now - []


Professional. - []


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - []


extremely bright - []


You provide many references, which is good. - []


Holy shit - []


this is a perfect example - []


You're my personal hero. - []


Obviously very passionate - []


Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - []


Thanks ... You should probably stay - []


Art? -- []


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - []


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - []


PROOF apk is a liar! - []


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - []


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - []


Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - []


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - []


Oh shit, the hosts files have become self-aware and started hacking accounts. - []


What mad skillz you have!! - []


Am I the only one who enjoys this sort of insanity? - []


You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - []


Most insightful post on the Internet - []


I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - []


[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - []


people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - []


I think he wants it to be an article, but doesn't know how to submit it. - []


Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - []
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - []


I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - []


When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - []


[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - []



Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.


* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [] I practice.


Disproof of all apk's statements:


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Re:Considering quitting due to impersonator... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296249)

In case you aren't actually the same person... Classic political maneuvering in a forum where it doesn't matter. Who cares if you're right? The whole thing is obnoxious, you're obnoxious, and we want you both to go away to reduce the level of irritation we experience reading the forums on a regular basis. You should be thanking the troll for all the free publicity and then going about your business... assuming either of you (if you aren't the same person) have anything else to do.

Lying liars and the lies they lie about (5, Informative)

ZaMoose (24734) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295931)

Only 73% have considered quitting? The other 27% are lying to you, probably because they're worried that the survey is being snooped on by the corporate Barracuda firewall.

Re:Lying liars and the lies they lie about (2)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296111)

No. They're just developers. They're not stressed as much because they don't have to carry a production pager or respond when their code blows up in the wee hours of the night.

Not all of IT is on call.

Re:Lying liars and the lies they lie about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296117)

The other 27% are in upper management - probably playing golf.

Re:Lying liars and the lies they lie about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296143)

"probably because they're worried that the survey is being snooped on by the corporate Barracuda firewall."

Not "probably" but definitely....

I could tell you stories about supposedly anonymous surveys. Just a heads up. The are never anonymous if they are done on-line!

Re:Lying liars and the lies they lie about (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296389)

Only 73% have considered quitting? The other 27% are lying to you, probably because they're worried that the survey is being snooped on by the corporate Barracuda firewall.

This. Although, I would turn that on it's head. If they answer "no my job isnt stressful" then their ass is grass. If you aren't stressed out at least some of the time, the bottom line is you aren't working hard enough. If you, for some reason, have never thought about quitting, we are clearly paying you too much. Go re-apply and we will find you a wage that better balances your need to eat with our need to exploit our workers.


Your boss

Re:Lying liars and the lies they lie about (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296493)

i think 73% are just having a whinge

it would be a typical figure in any industry

if it was the number of IT professionals that have actually quit (not just having considered quitting) due to stress, then you might have a story

also, if IT professionals think they have it hard, have a look at these guys... []

Most X have considered quitting due to stress (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295935)

Stress isn't exactly unique to IT...

And then what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295937)

Quit and do what, it's the same everywhere.
You just have to train those managers well and stick with it!

This just in (1)

mwfischer (1919758) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295941)

This just in "Do more with less and stay longer" causes emotional and psychological distress.

Film at 6 but it will actually take until like 11:30.

Re:This just in (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296055)

Don't worry, we're going to address your health concerns by outsourcing your job and your entire division ant a third the cost.

Re:This just in (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296085)

Don't worry, we're going to address your health concerns by outsourcing your job and your entire division ant a third the cost.

Awesome. Then I can get hired back as a consultant to fix the problems at double my previous salary. :)

Re:This just in (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296089)

1/3 not because of cheap labor, but because they don't have any problems sourcing tools..

Re:This just in (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296099)

... Only to later hire you and your division back as 'consultants,' at double the standard rate, once we realize that a call center in India can't do shit about a broken fiber link on the local campus.

I used to share office with some sysadmins (1)

staltz (2782655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295947)

I used to share office with some sysadmins. They were constantly swearing because of people and machines. I guess neither of these two functioned well, and these guys had to take the responsibility of the problems.

Re:I used to share office with some sysadmins (2)

Stratus311 (894962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296195)

This is what we do all day. We're a 3 person shop and have some of the most clueless users I've had the misfortune of dealing with. Not that I expect them to know much of anything on how a PC works but I do expect them to know how to change their own batteries in their wireless mice before submitting a ticket. Don't get me wrong, I'll take the ticket credit because it looks good in the reports, but FFS!

And because this is Slashdot, I present you with a car analogy: Do you call a mechanic every time your car runs out of gas?!

Oh, and in Soviet Russia, stress quits you!!!

Re:I used to share office with some sysadmins (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296391)

Why should they have to know that. That's what the IT monkeys like you are being paid to do.

Re:I used to share office with some sysadmins (2)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296541)

I really hate the ticket/metric system. Its designed pretty much to determine at what exact point they can do with one less person.

Speaking of statistics... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295953)

I wonder if they correlated that 73% of admins that thought about quitting their jobs over stress to the number of IT admins that just love someone to complain to, and something to complain about.

Rapid change in IT is the problem (3, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295961)

When IT and computer/internet field in general settle down and become mature, things will get better.

Right now there's just too many new technolgies and buzzwords and platforms and architecture and paradigms popping up, and pointy-haired managers and VPs all want to implement this and that and oh by the way make it work with our legacy system and nothing better get lost or you're fired.

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (5, Insightful)

tokencode (1952944) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296051)

In IT the only constant is change.

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296177)

That's because the field is young and dissemination of information is still sub-optimal. Give it a century or two, and the basic stuff will be as simple and standardized as elementary, high-school and undergraduate mathematics. (As in, no one reinvents the notation there, once it got stabilized over the centuries.)

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (1)

tokencode (1952944) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296359)

Given that information is key to all other advances and its nature and quantity is always changing, so too will the technology used to make sense of it all. While what we have today might become mundane, demands on information technology will also increase. IT will always be in a state of flux.

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296503)

There are things that change (mostly the "how"-things) and things that remain static (mostly the "what"-things). Pythagoras' theorem is still the same, despite the fact that a long time ago, we were writing stuff down on paper and now we use pocket calculators and what not. There are basic patterns in all computational machinery (be it tangible, like transistors and circuits, or intangible, like subroutines and programs) that fall out naturally. One day, people will simply abstract the changing stuff away. It's inevitable, since I don't see any way of following the current trend long-term without the whole structure falling apart. Hail VPRI.

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (5, Insightful)

Yold (473518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296171)

It's not a matter of maturity. Many organizations hide behind the disclaimer "we are not an I.T. company", despite having sizable I.T. departments. And despite having this sizable department, which offers mission-critical applications and infrastructure, zero effort is made towards working smarter. Problems are fixed with mandatory overtime, cutting staffing/costs, and "quick-and-dirty" fixes to long standing problems.

I think some companies are starting to understand that their project management methodologies are flawed, but most cannot connect the concepts of "software debt" to decreasing marginal output in their I.T. efforts. An hour of work today is less effective than in the past because you are paying "interest" on your previous bad decisions.

I think that the 27% is reflective of companies that can connect the longevity and cost-effectiveness of I.T. systems to proper project planning, management, and I.T. expertise. Whether or not this is an upper-bound remains to be seen, because a lot of organizations simply don't understand that inventing your own project management ideas dooms you to repeating the same failures that have happened over the last 50 years.

Re:Rapid change in IT is the problem (2)

aergern (127031) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296535)

Are you kidding? I've been in this field for the last 20 years .. it's always been like this. It has always been stressful and always full of all the things you name off. I guess you're a recent graduate? ;)

Water is wet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295967)

The sky is blue.

Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (5, Insightful)

meatspray (59961) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295969)

Picking your boss. If you're not up a creek looking for work, that interview is to let you meet your managers, talk to some workers about the managers.

When I started working it was "If I can just get in the door"

When I was in my 20's it was "What cool things will this job do for me"

Now That i'm in my 30's its "Will I be able to work with these people"

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296159)

With ya on that; I recently turned down a job that pays $10K/yr more than my current position, because during the interview they actually had the audacity to ask me about my religion. I figure, if they're going to blatantly flaunt the law and violate my privacy during the interview, chances are they aren't a group of people I want to associate with.

Yes, contrary to popular belief, there's more to a job than pay.

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296215)

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296455)

Quiet, bitch.

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (1)

tokencode (1952944) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296433)

What? Tell them you want 2x what you were looking for and when they don't hire you, sue them for discrimination.

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (1)

compro01 (777531) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296579)

It's "flout the law", not flaunt.

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296587)

Technically speaking, asking about your religion is not illegal. It makes a huge dent in their legal armor if they dont hire you, but the act in and of itself is legal.

Re:Thats why your #1 priority in an interview is: (5, Interesting)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296255)

"Management" as being the worst part of I.T. fits right into my career experience.

I've worked providing computer resources to non-technical (or at least not technical in computer areas) people during my career, and I have had a number of bosses who just would not listen. Some of it was that computer work was so outside their experience that it was magic, and if something is "magic" it takes no time or money to do. Users and management see too much stuff in I.T. as nothing more than flipping a switch because of their low knowledge level.

For other bosses it was a more fundamental problem that's seen everywhere: management not listening to an expert when he/she says something they don't like.

My advice to managers of all sorts: you should choose between two states with experts: trust the person you hire and listen to what he/she says or get rid of that expert. There should be nothing in the middle. You are going to lose those experts if you constantly second guess them or force them into situations that they have told you are not sustainable. Learn to listen.

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295981) cause stress. More at 11.

It's the economy stupid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43295983)

How many of us work at a company where they laid off a large chunk of the technical workforce and told the remainder to hang tight while the economy recovered or hired temps? Now that the Dow is back at record levels mgmt turns around and says "nothing horrible happened when you were half staffed so you must have been slacking before".

Meanwhile hardware is not being replaced and software is not being updated. Hours are being wasted trying to breathe life into decades old tech which is obselete.

It's about being "Always on" (5, Insightful)

Midnight_Falcon (2432802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295989)

I'm an IT professional and more than once I've thought about quitting, especially when I was doing high-stress consulting. Clients treat you like meat, like "the help." They have no problem waking you up at 5AM with nonsense problems. If you don't answer and do it politely, they call your boss and then your job/livelihood is in jeopardy.

This isn't just a 9-5 thing where, when you leave the office, you're no longer on the hook -- it's always happening. Sometimes, you're at a bar at 10PM and you get an urgent call -- pick it up, and you in your tipsy state are now on the hook to resolve an important issue.

The fear of getting these calls has made me stay home sometimes when I could have been being social, and not travel away on vacation when I knew some action was going on I'd be needed for. It creates a lot of stress to be depended on so much, and now with telecommuting, you're expected to be responsive at all times wherever you are.

It's a lot of stress even in the best setup/most-redundant environments, and the job is not for everyone. And when projects come up that are difficult and highly user-facing, it's hard to avoid this type of a situation.

Re:It's about being "Always on" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296169)

That's nothing to do with IT, it's life today for an awful lot of people in the always being available in the modern world. There are many people that have no lives and fill their's with work, expecting others to do the same. Mmany of these are divorcees half way up the career ladder, and with their youth gone, they soon find the pool of other singles isn't interesting in them, so the compensate with work.

It doesn't matter whether it's accounting, legal, realty, medical and of course, IT, it's a problem with modern life. People cope with it when they're young, but by the time they have a real life, marry have kids etc, priorities change.

Re:It's about being "Always on" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296525)

Modern life is one thing, IT administration is a level up. It really is something you don't understand without being there. It doesn't seem that bad, but it is. IT admin is not just a normal job, you're the fall guy for crapping programming, bad luck, and acts of nature. When Windows blue screens at work, you're the guy who gets the blame, not Microsoft.

Technology is magical and scary to people, blaming the admin makes people feel better.

On call for a few hours is nothing, but it's like someone who's always clearing their throat in your office - individually not bad, but oh-so-annoying for days on end. You can't ever fully relax, every time your cell rings it could be work, and so on. The problems all have people behind them, yelling or ready to yell. And the Admin is always to blame. You spend all day working on things what were built or designed poorly, failing, or just messed up, so most of the job is on the negative side - which can be frustrating.

It's like being a data detective much of the time. Little hints, obscure log entries, googling for info, and hours carefully hunting for more clues.

Developing is so much better. There isn't the same responsibility and stress. I found the focus and limited view downright relaxing.

Here's the thing - it's a steady, crushing job that most people couldn't handle. I got suckered into it because everyone else stepped back years and years ago. I didn't cheat writing code and I was an amazing dev. Now I'm an admin with years of experience and I'd take a pay cut going back. The devs look down on the job, and I hear crap now and again about how easy it seems and that I must sit on my ass. I understand - I used to think that too. I miss the straight-forward development work, but not being treated like a disposable monkey. I have co-workers who do development contracts on the side to relax though.

I had to learn more for IT Admin than I had to learn for programming. I spend all day working around and fixing bugs that developers left in. The "it's a feature" joke pisses me off.

Re:It's about being "Always on" (4, Informative)

nine-times (778537) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296601)

It seems to me that it's a little worse with IT support than with many other comparably skilled jobs. In recent years, there's been a competitive race-to-the-bottom. No one wants to pay for IT, and so there's been a trend towards MSPs instead of in-house IT. Those MSPs are competing by promising clients the moon. They can't deliver on the moon, obviously, but they push their employees to try. Meanwhile, the MSPs are making their money by being understaffed.

At least that's what I'm seeing. It seems like the MSPs are going in saying, "We'll provide full support 24/7 365 days a year." Meanwhile they have 3 employees, all of whom work full time during business hours, but are asked to also be on call 24/7 without taking real vacations.

I'm not saying that's unique to IT support workers, but it doesn't seem to be the norm.

Call out charges? (1)

Bruce66423 (1678196) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296383)

Put in your consulting contract a call out fee of $1000 - i.e. if you pick up the phone your client is on the hook for $1000? When I was working full and went on holiday I told my employer that contacting me whilst on holiday would be at contractor rates. They never did... Or make your mobile number a premium rate number: $50 a minute might help concentrate their minds, but less blatantly

Re:It's about being "Always on" (1)

mjr167 (2477430) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296403)

How is that different from being... a doctor, a fireman, a nuclear plant operator, a plumber, or an electrical line repairman?

Welcome to the world of essential services. When your job is to keep things working, you don't get to pick your hours cause shit happens.

Re:It's about being "Always on" (1)

Bigby (659157) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296465)

It isn't quite as much if the IT admins are redundant. They should have 4 people that know the same stuff. But that costs the management doesn't want to spend, because they can just call you at 10 PM while you are at a bar or on vacation.

"have considered"? (1)

Pooch Bushey (895121) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295993)

try "have quit". i quit years ago, not because of the stress caused by users/customers, but because of ineffective management and, specifically, a ceo (not a manager, but the ceo) telling you (a) in front of anyone in the immediate area, (b) in public, and (c) in meetings that you (literally) were a fuck up and didn't know what you were doing. it was a 100 employee company; she did that to most of the senior employees. most tolerated it (among them her management team). some of us didn't.

No sh$! sherlock... (2)

morcego (260031) | about a year and a half ago | (#43295999)

Working in IT (started as support drone, now admin and consultant) for 20 years.

Back to college right now. Just started Law School.

Most of my friends either gave up IT to just work in management, or are in the process of switching fields.

The comodititization of IT destroyed it.

Is this different from any other job? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296009)

Not that it isn't interesting or relevant or something to work on, but how does this compare to other office functions?

hilarious (0)

argStyopa (232550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296013)

And in other news, when asked about their jobs, EVERY OTHER HUMAN ON THE PLANET likewise responded that 80% of participants revealed that their job had negatively impacted their personal life in some way, (and) 18% have suffered stress-related health issues due to their work, and 28% have lost sleep due to work.

Oh noes, sysadmins have tough jobs! Please.

Computers don't sleep (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296021)

It's not the 24/7 part that really bothers me, it's the not getting paid for it that really gets me going.

I'm honestly surprised that the budget thing is not a bigger source of stress. You may lose sleep every once in a while when something big crashes, but having to justify your existence every damn day to the $(C-level) && $(anyone with any authority over you whatsoever) is by far the biggest source of stress I've ever seen.

Probably true at large corporations (1)

Atti K. (1169503) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296037)

where you have to handle the typical asshole IT manager, who in turn has to handle his asshole manager and so on. I'm an admin in a small company, above me is my boss, and above him the owner. They just don't give a shit until everything works fine. So no, I don't consider my job extremely stressful, my users are software developers, they seem more stressed to me than I am. Not posting anonymously, 'caue I don't give a shit either.

Re:Probably true at large corporations (1)

Midnight_Falcon (2432802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296155)

And small ones..with only the ability to hire consultants and/or a single, less experienced IT staff member. In the former case (consultants), the consultant gets all this work and they want it done efficiently at the lowest cost. When consultant does their best work, client complains about how long it takes and then consulting company manger yells at consultant, despite a job well done.

In the latter case (less experienced), you have a guy running around like a chicken without a head desperately trying to learn just-in-time to put out fires.

Re:Probably true at large corporations (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296217)

Workwise, the best admin job I ever had was working for a small, local call center - maybe 50 employees.

Then again, they fired me when I told them that $10/hr wasn't shit for a sysadmin... Maybe not that great a place to work after all.

Have to wonder ... (5, Insightful)

PhxBlue (562201) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296083)

How much of that manager-induced stress is a result of managers who don't know how to lead?

If I'm the head of the department you work in, then my No. 1 job is to clear obstacles out of your way so you can do yours. If I'm the head of a different department that relies on you (as an infrastructure manager) to do its job, then my No. 1 job is to work with you to find the most reasonable way of making it happen.

On the other side of that, though, I've run into folks who think they're the gatekeepers just because they have the keys to the building. Any good manager should take "no" for an answer from IT if IT just can't do it, e.g., it introduces unacceptable security risk, the infrastructure just isn't there, etc. But an IT person who says it can't be done and won't explain why shouldn't expect to stick around very long.

Applicable Sub Reddit (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296105) []

The 24 part series by Jon6 is entertaining...

Re:Applicable Sub Reddit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296351)

Oh I read that post by jon6, all 24 parts. I would not be able to last with someone like that as my manager.

This may explain it though:

And how someone like that gets in power in the first place:

Re:Applicable Sub Reddit (1)

broseidon (2537346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296353)

Entertaining and painful. Aquaman knows I wouldn't have put up with half of what that redditor did regardless of my personal/financial circumstances.

IT Management (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296129)

Boy, this post speaks the truth. Good IT Managers are extremely rare, most don't cut it. Ours is actually pretty awesome and actually has a technical background, but he's the first decent one I've every had (been working in the field for 15 years.) It all falls apart if the group isn't being led right and upper management's clueless.

Re:IT Management (2)

Shados (741919) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296565)

There's a lot of good management people. They just all hire each other and end up working for the same few companies, and the rest pick up the scrap.

Something like (numbers out of my rear) the top 5% places to work for will eat up 95% of the good IT managers...the last 5% being made of people who want to take a crappy company and salvage it for recognition...

I don't live at home anymore (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296165)

I live at the office. When I buy groceries I put them into the office fridge. I only get 5 hours of sleep. I might need to file an extension for my taxes this year. I wouldn't even have the time to write up a resignation letter.

Re:I don't live at home anymore (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296393)

There is a threshold of abuse whereupon the problem is you being a doormat, not others laying too much on you.

If you're really so critical that you've got to be around 90% of the time, leaving would ruin the company, and you'd have leverage.

This is exactly why (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296185)

My company requires all IT administrators who still have hair to shave their heads weekly. It cuts down on the janitorial costs of floor cleanup.

We also have brown paper bags behind glass which reads, "Break here in case of hyperventilation."

Should fix itself by 2016 (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296345)

Boomers are retiring much faster than projected.

5 million in 2010 and 2011 instead of the expected 1.7 million.

Enough boomers will retire to completely cancel the unemployment rate by 2020.

Once labor gets the upper hand- it's going to have it for the next 19 years after that short of some kind of wonder automation/robotics.

And 460 million chinese are retiring over the same time period. More than the total population of the united states. Only 76 million united states boomers will retire.

The pattern is this:
-2012, about 2.5 million per year retired.
2013-2016, 3.3 million retire per year.
2017-2028, 4.5 million retire per year.
2029-2031, 3.3 million retire per year.
2032+ back to about 2.5 million until the baby boomer echo.

Only 1.8% of people make it to age 90 and I'm not likely to be one of them.
I expect to die by 2034.

And there is something else to consider. If you are a boomer and you've been saving- when the second parent dies (likely before age 83), their estate puts you well past your retirement goals instantly and you may be able to retire (well) before age 60. So there is a multiplier effect here.

telcos, esp. (1)

whitroth (9367) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296501)

Back in the seventies, I heard that Ma Bell employees used to "brag" about how many hours they'd worked that week.

Then, '95-'97, I worked for Ameritech, a Baby Bell, since swallowed by SBC (which then swallowed AT&T, and renamed itself to AT SBC is the true Evil Empire), and discovered what was going on: ludicrous deadlines, utterly unrealistic goals, and little sub-empires that, rather than looking for buy-in, got the authority to tell us how to make the Perfect World (tm), as Revealed by them....

Took about a year and a half, year and three quarters, before a psychologist friend gave a professional opinion that I was *this* far from clinical burnout.

All for well under $60k/yr.

And they claim they've got all these unfilled tech jobs, and can't find people to do them, so Congress, please let us bring people over who'll work for diddly-squat, and do 70 or 80 hour weeks with no complaint....


Oh, laddie. (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296515)

You've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker

Stress varies (2, Interesting)

elistan (578864) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296559)

I've never had a job other than IT support, so I don't know how it compares to other work, but I have had different IT support jobs with wildly different stress levels.

On the low-stress side, picture a small shop. 50 to 100 servers, two or three admins. You know each server, what it does, what its quirks are, what external systems it talks to, you control not only the server but its storage and networking and backups, you're the dba, the webmaster, you know by name all the developers that write the code that runs on the servers, you know most of the users and all of the managers of the company by name... It's a lot of different hats, but with the limited number of systems you have enough time to pay each its proper attention. You can tweak each server individually. Only in extremely rare occasions like a failed controller on the SAN do you get called off-hours. This sort of job is fun and engaging.

The high-stress job is from being on a team that "owns" a few thousand servers in a global corporation with a poorly set up support model - but you only has access to the OS. No ability to work on the databases or SAN, no rights to the switches or hypervisor, and when it's your turn to be on-call you are guaranteed to get calls all through the night - calls ranging ranging from hung servers that need a reboot, to performance issues that take hours and hours to coordinate troubleshooting with the SAN team that swears it's not their issue even though its several systems all connected to the same controller, users on the other side of the world having whatever issue, on systems you don't know they first thing about except its a database server or whatever because of the naming convenntion. No sleep that week, no ability to go to a movie without fear of being paged... Pure stress for the week of being on-call, and dreadful anticipation all other times.

I was glad to have been laid off from a job like the latter during the financial crisis.

I'll take a job like the former, even with a micro-managing, cover-sheet-your-TPS-report, the-sky-is-falling type boss, over another one like the latter any day.

Auto-Immune Diseases are Stress Related (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43296563)

No, seriously, they are. Also inflammatory malfunctions such as IBD & Crohn's disease are specifically linked to:

1) stress
2) lack of sleep

I know this as an IBD patient who is *required* to see a psychologist as an integrated part of treatment.
I'd be curious to know how many of us in this world suffer from such things. Quite a large number in my immediate circle do. I suppose that could be circumstantial. Call it a hunch.

It's Not New, Really. (3, Interesting)

p00kiethebear (569781) | about a year and a half ago | (#43296575)

The people who are stressed about working in IT have a valid point. But this doesn't make you any different than say... a head chef?

Millions of blue collar workers have to survive on less than half what the average introductory IT job pays and many have to do it in an environment where they don't speak the language. Imagine going into work and having to learn the ropes your first day just by watching. I had to work in kitchens for ten years and I'm telling you the responsibilities don't end there. It's your night or day off? Too bad, the dishwasher called in sick and we have to put you in? Oh sorry we can't pay you overtime, we're just going to pay you in regular wage with cash. Oops, we're paying you too much cash because you're working too much. How about we just pay you the same ammount every month no matter how much you work? Sexual harrasment? Too bad, your boss, is the HR, your manager, and the mediator all rolled into one.

There are literally rehab centers built specifically for chefs because thouands of them burn out and start drinking on the job to deal the with stress. If everyone else wants to go home early, or the numbers arn't right that week, your boss will send everyone else home and you have to clean the kitchen yourself.

4% more IT workers want to quit because of stress? Boo fucking hoo. So does everyone else who has to work a shitty job with long hours. At least you're being compensated at a fair wage for the skills you've developed. You're probably being paid over time if you're by the hour and you can probably also afford to buy a house. Not to mention basic health if not full benefits. If I cut myself with a knife I have to pay cash for the 5 stitches it takes to sew it up.

Every job that takes skill and dedication looks shitty from the inside out. But seriously? Whenever I think about quiting my job or get angry about something trivial, I remember that I'm not dodging the secret police in North Korea or Bullets in Bosnia and I realize how lucky I am to even have a job. I wish I had the skills to be an IT worker so I could at least get paid a fair wage and didn't have to go home with dishpan hands every night. But this is what I get for playing more video games in college than doing actual work. Ultimately we're all masters of our own destiny.

Be the change you want to see in your life. I would have been a lot happier and probably drank a lot less if I was on an IT workers salary. But as far as I'm concerned, I read this headline as "NEWS FLASH, PEOPLE HATE THEIR JOBS!"

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