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Library Journal Board Resigns On "Crisis of Conscience" After Swartz Death

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the we're-not-gonna-take-it dept.

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c0lo writes "The editor-in-chief and entire editorial board of the Journal of Library Administration announced their resignation last week, citing 'a crisis of conscience about publishing in a journal that was not open access' in the days after the death of Aaron Swartz. The board had worked with publisher Taylor & Francis on an open-access compromise in the months since, which would allow the journal to release articles without paywall, but Taylor & Francis' final terms asked contributors to pay $2,995 for each open-access article. As more and more contributors began to object, the board ultimately found the terms unworkable. The journal's editor-in-chief said 'After much discussion, the only alternative presented by Taylor & Francis tied a less restrictive license to a $2995 per article fee to be paid by the author. As you know, this is not a viable licensing option for authors from the LIS community who are generally not conducting research under large grants.'"

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Impersonation warning, please mod up... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298255)

Nearly 150++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:

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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 150 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]

&/or

B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here

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(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).

APK

P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 140++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Re:Impersonation warning, please mod up... apk (0, Troll)

crafty.munchkin (1220528) | about a year ago | (#43298527)

Simple solution. GET A FUCKING ACCOUNT and stop posting as anonymous coward.

Re:Impersonation warning, please mod up... apk (0, Offtopic)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a year ago | (#43298885)

People could also stop responding to any and all APK posts, real or forged.

Re:Impersonation warning, please mod up... apk (2)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year ago | (#43301273)

People could also stop responding to any and all APK posts, real or forged.

What we really need is a "tl;dr" rating so that this interminable tripe can be independently displayed pre-collapsed without censoring others who are merely -1. It's a pain to scroll past this stuff and all the moreso since it's double-spaced, which apparently games the "view more" mechanism.

Re:Impersonation warning, please mod up... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43301143)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS, & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-

apk on 4chan [4chan.org]

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INCONTROVERTIBLE FEEDBACK PROVIDING ESTABLISHED PROOF OF ALL MY POINTS:

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That was amazing. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948073 [slashdot.org]

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My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41835161 [slashdot.org]

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Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40948579 [slashdot.org]

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put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3037687&cid=40950023 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40946259 [slashdot.org]

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[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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Can I have some of what you're on? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040317&cid=40947587 [slashdot.org]

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this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954565 [slashdot.org]

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oh come on.. this is hilarious. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40955479 [slashdot.org]

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I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40961339 [slashdot.org]

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Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40954251 [slashdot.org]

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As mentioned by another AC up there, the troll in question is actually a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40945357 [slashdot.org]

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It's actually a very clever parody of APK - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038791&cid=40944229 [slashdot.org]

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Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3038597&cid=40944603 [slashdot.org]

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$20,000 to anyone providing proof of Alexander Peter Kowalski's death. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958289 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3040921&cid=40958429 [slashdot.org]

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And here I was thinking I was having a bad experience with a Dr. Bronner's bottle. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041081&cid=40952247 [slashdot.org]

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Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041123&cid=40954673 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3041313&cid=40956187 [slashdot.org]

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Does anyone know if OpenGL has been ported to Windows yet? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042199&cid=40956781 [slashdot.org]

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golfclap - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40900827 [slashdot.org]

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The Truth! wants to be Known! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897389 [slashdot.org]

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DNS cube? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897493 [slashdot.org]

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KUDOS valiant AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40897777 [slashdot.org]

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Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029723&cid=40899171 [slashdot.org]

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You made my day, thanks! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3029589&cid=40896469 [slashdot.org]

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Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3027333&cid=40893381 [slashdot.org]

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truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3042765&cid=41041795 [slashdot.org]

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It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967209 [slashdot.org]

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Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40969175 [slashdot.org]

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APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3043535&cid=40967137 [slashdot.org]

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You got that right. I think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3044971&cid=40972239 [slashdot.org]

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Michael Kristopeit, is that you? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3045075&cid=40972377 [slashdot.org]

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ROFL! :) (Now the sick bastard will follow me again) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41429251 [slashdot.org]

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I miss Dr Bob. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432027 [slashdot.org]

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Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3138079&cid=41432951 [slashdot.org]

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Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41509273 [slashdot.org]

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That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154555&cid=41514107 [slashdot.org]

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I am intrigued and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3164403&cid=41555345 [slashdot.org]

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1. You philistine, that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832599 [slashdot.org]

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What? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832673 [slashdot.org]

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I don't know if it is poorly-thought-out, but it is demented because it is at the same time an APK parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41832905 [slashdot.org]

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It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41841251 [slashdot.org]

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er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3222163&cid=41843313 [slashdot.org]

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performance art - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847089 [slashdot.org]

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it's apk, theres no reason to care. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847097 [slashdot.org]

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Seems more like an apk parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847661 [slashdot.org]

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That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3224905&cid=41847101 [slashdot.org]

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Oh, come on. Just stand back and look at it. It's almost art, in a Jackson Pollock sort of way. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41868923 [slashdot.org]

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Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41864711 [slashdot.org]

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I can has summary? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3227697&cid=41861327 [slashdot.org]

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I'd have a lot more sympathy if you would log in as APK again instead of AC. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41868133 [slashdot.org]

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If [apk] made an account, it would be permanently posting at -1, and he'd only be able to post with it twice a day. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3228991&cid=41869409 [slashdot.org]

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DAFUQ I just look at? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869085 [slashdot.org]

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Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229177&cid=41869353 [slashdot.org]

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We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3229179&cid=41869305 [slashdot.org]

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Do you know about the shocking connection between APK and arsenic? No? Well, your innocence is about to be destroyed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3472971&cid=42939965 [slashdot.org]

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Send bug reports to 903 east division street, syracuse, ny 13208 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3483339&cid=42972783 [slashdot.org]

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Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42981977 [slashdot.org]

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Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42984521 [slashdot.org]

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In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [thorschrock.com] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486045&cid=42983119 [slashdot.org]

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You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3486901&cid=42989683 [slashdot.org]

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"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028403 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43028425 [slashdot.org]

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I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3501001&cid=43029495 [slashdot.org]

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Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3503531&cid=43037445 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43048291 [slashdot.org]

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Best. Troll. Ever. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3506945&cid=43044811 [slashdot.org]

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I like monkeys. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43051505 [slashdot.org]

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This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3508287&cid=43052263 [slashdot.org]

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lul wut? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3510265&cid=43057839 [slashdot.org]

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I admire this guy's persistence. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063797 [slashdot.org]

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It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063881 [slashdot.org]

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Tabloid newspapers have speculated for years that APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. Too bad we didn't believe them sooner! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43063893 [slashdot.org]

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Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [slashdot.org] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3511487&cid=43064383 [slashdot.org]

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I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3512099&cid=43069271 [slashdot.org]

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^ Champion Mod parent up. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3513659&cid=43067371 [slashdot.org]

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I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3521721&cid=43094565 [slashdot.org]

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The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522191&cid=43097221 [slashdot.org]

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AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3522219&cid=43097215 [slashdot.org]

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3526293&cid=43110679 [slashdot.org]

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If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115215 [slashdot.org]

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">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115337 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115363 [slashdot.org]

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No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43116855 [slashdot.org]

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The thirteenth link is broken. Please fix it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3528603&cid=43115361 [slashdot.org]

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Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216431 [slashdot.org]

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Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3561925&cid=43216225 [slashdot.org]

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YOU ARE A GOD AMONG MEN. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43236143 [slashdot.org]

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I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569173&cid=43236987 [slashdot.org]

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Can I be in your quote list? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569443&cid=43237531 [slashdot.org]

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Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569425&cid=43238177 [slashdot.org]

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+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569149&cid=43238479 [slashdot.org]

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Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243509 [slashdot.org]

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APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570085&cid=43243145 [slashdot.org]

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Anyone else think that sounds like Ron Paul? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43242417 [slashdot.org]

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I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43245913 [slashdot.org]

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You make mikael christ the pet look like an huggable teddy bear - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3570111&cid=43242373 [slashdot.org]

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oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247231 [slashdot.org]

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"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43246997 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247097 [slashdot.org]

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"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247135 [slashdot.org] http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247219 [slashdot.org]

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"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247225 [slashdot.org]
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247481 [slashdot.org]

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Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43247533 [slashdot.org]

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you have a point - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247823 [slashdot.org]

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I do admire that level of dedication. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43247765 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572687&cid=43250533 [slashdot.org]

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I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3572629&cid=43250411 [slashdot.org]

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I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573571&cid=43251593 [slashdot.org]

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Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573679&cid=43252957 [slashdot.org]

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Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3573873&cid=43255013 [slashdot.org]

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Happy now - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569419&cid=43237239 [slashdot.org]

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Professional. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255143 [slashdot.org]

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I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43256029 [slashdot.org]

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extremely bright - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43255855 [slashdot.org]

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You provide many references, which is good. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43257043 [slashdot.org]

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Holy shit - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576121&cid=43260311 [slashdot.org]

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this is a perfect example - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578157&cid=43265127 [slashdot.org]

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You're my personal hero. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574283&cid=43260747 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously very passionate - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3574035&cid=43261975 [slashdot.org]

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Is that ALL you have to say? C'mon! Tell us what you really think. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43262495 [slashdot.org]

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Thanks ... You should probably stay - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577613&cid=43262993 [slashdot.org]

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Art? -- http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3569681&cid=43244883 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3577639&cid=43263029 [slashdot.org]

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I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3576225&cid=43264325 [slashdot.org]

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PROOF apk is a liar! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578279&cid=43265249 [slashdot.org]

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I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578301&cid=43265657 [slashdot.org]

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Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3578229&cid=43265767 [slashdot.org]

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Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42698875 [slashdot.org]

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Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3554655&cid=43209619 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3406867&cid=42701491 [slashdot.org]

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Oh shit, the hosts files have become self-aware and started hacking accounts. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276783 [slashdot.org]

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What mad skillz you have!! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581193&cid=43273941 [slashdot.org]

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Am I the only one who enjoys this sort of insanity? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3582193&cid=43281063 [slashdot.org]

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You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3580251&cid=43270359 [slashdot.org]

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Most insightful post on the Internet - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3579259&cid=43275207 [slashdot.org]

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I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3588003&cid=43293069 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586303&cid=43291531 [slashdot.org]

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people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581991&cid=43278203 [slashdot.org]

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I think he wants it to be an article, but doesn't know how to submit it. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586345&cid=43287717 [slashdot.org]

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Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [pastebin.com] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287671 [slashdot.org]
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290701 [slashdot.org]

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I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43287553 [slashdot.org]

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When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586291&cid=43290275 [slashdot.org]

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[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3586081&cid=43288893 [slashdot.org]

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Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.

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* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [google.com] I practice.

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Disproof of all apk's statements:

OLD POST LINKS MIRRORED HERE:
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RECENT POST LINKS:
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Ethics? Not on my watch (5, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43298273)

Thank you for standing up for what you believe in, guys! Commencing replacement with yes-men who will heed the siren call of their corporate profiteering overlords in 5...4...3...

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298477)

What have you done to stand up for what you believe in today? Post a one liner on slashdot is as good as piss in a boot.

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43298543)

What have you done to stand up for what you believe in today? Post a one liner on slashdot is as good as piss in a boot.

I signed into the website first. More than you did, man. More than you did...

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298771)

Blow a fucking goat, retard. Slashdot isn't worth the effort required to create a fucking account these days.

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299371)

Here, have the world's largest gold star!

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298707)

to be fair pissing in boots is a good way to speed along the breaking in process

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298627)

How is this drivel modded insightful? They can' replace them with common "yes men" because the editors are the ones who coordinate all the work. Journal brand comes from the editors' reputation in the community they represent. Without the editors, the journal is nothing and will get very low reputation. Look what happened to machine learning after the board resigns and went to found the journal of machine learning research.

Re:Ethics? Not on my watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299415)

The funny thing is if the board had made news with a statement going the other way, Slashdot would be filled with sarcastic comments about "who would write for or subscribe to a journal about library administration?" and they'd all be modded up to +5, funny, +5 insightful, +5, informative.

Hooray! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298293)

Aaron Swartz is avenged, problem solved!

Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (5, Interesting)

thesupraman (179040) | about a year ago | (#43298337)

Lets hope the same editorial board is sool working at a 'new' journal, the Open Journal of Library Administration, available only online/free.
Wouldnt that be a somewhat simple solution?

Publishers want to protect 'their' cash cow, but its not theirs to protect. not much of a surprise really.

The other reason to charge for submission (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298813)

So, here's the other reason to force people to pay to submit to the journal. This weeds out the cranks and trolls. $3K will weed out the trolls and overposts. Is that the right number? I don't know. Once we accept that getting rid of the trolls has value to the author, the question is whether or not the open access fee is a reasonable business case for the publisher. Then it sort of makes sense. For another $1000, will they lose an average of 50 paid reads? I don't know. However, the better the journal, the more likely I am to to put effort into getting it. Remember that there is a monetary value to many researchers for getting published; it does enhance their career. There is a business case for the authors here too.

Storytelling to the rescue! (4, Insightful)

Okian Warrior (537106) | about a year ago | (#43299399)

So, here's the other reason to force people to pay to submit to the journal. This weeds out the cranks and trolls...

While this seems reasonable, I would like to point out that:

1) Cranks and trolls are not a problem in academic publishing, it never was a problem, and it isn't expected to be a problem in the future.

2) Cranks and Trolls are well filtered by other aspects of the system. Few cranks and trolls have PHDs, teach at uni, or are working under a grant. Those that manage to overcome these barriers and are easily dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

3) By switching to a "pay to publish" model, your filter is targeting cash-poor researchers, not cranks. Corporations could afford to have their studies published, which would skew overall trends. Drug companies, tobacco companies, and oil companies would have a competitive edge over a uni or grant researcher.

Once we accept that getting rid of the trolls has value to the author, the question is ...

4) You are an astroturfer - a paid shill trying to sway the collective opinion by hand-waving and solipsism.

This is Slashdot. We're smarter than that.

Re:Storytelling to the rescue! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43300227)

... Few cranks and trolls have PHDs, teach at uni, or are working under a grant...

Ah, Universities must have changed a bit then, since I last worked at one over 10 years ago, if there are fewer cranks.
I suppose it all hinges on what you mean by Few, certain departments I remember, were fair infested with Nutjobius academii (some on tenure)
Biggest Troll I ever knew was a senior academic. Hats off to him, he successfully trolled the UN and the Chinese government at one point, and, I suppose, using unpaid undergraduates to do his 'consultancy' work for a large engineering project probably counts as Trolling to a degree (Undergraduates, company, two governments, and anyone foolish enough to travel through that-which-he-supplied-critical-data-for-without-checking-it-as-he-was-totally-incapabale-of-doing-so,)

Those that manage to overcome these barriers and are easily dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

Yes, like boosting their published paper output by putting their names on things they never worked on, giving them glowing references and palming them off to other institutions..(allegedly)

Making them SEP was always a good move, I recall.

So glad I'm no longer in academia, I can actually sleep at night now with a (relatively) clear conscience.

Re:The other reason to charge for submission (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299437)

Peer review is supposed to weed out the cranks and trolls. Is it really so hard to READ anymore? I hate Youtube only because of the generation of video-dependent people that have stemmed from it. Most people would rather watch 20 video tutorials over the course of two days than spend 2 hours to read a complex document. I can only hope future scientists are immune to it.

Re:The other reason to charge for submission (2)

smegfault (2001252) | about a year ago | (#43300611)

Peer review is supposed to weed out the cranks and trolls.

Unfortunately, it sometimes doesn't work. Ask Alan Sokal (troll), Andrew Wakefield (liar and murderer by proxy), Diederik Stapel (liar), Jan Hendrik Schön (liar) or the other trolls, pranksters and liars that got through peer review without so much as a raised eyebrow from the reviewers or the editors.

Re:The other reason to charge for submission (1)

jewens (993139) | about a year ago | (#43299635)

While I agree that increasing transaction costs reduces the overall number of submissions, its not as if there is a significant problem with spurious entries to begin with. That type of disincentive is most effective in preventing DoS-like problems, and the charge doesn't need to be large. Imagine what a $0.01 charge to place/cancel an offer would do to high frequencey trading. What you propose is more along the lines of regulatory capture, creating the type of barrier to entry we collectively like to complain about here on /.

Re:The other reason to charge for submission (1)

1u3hr (530656) | about a year ago | (#43300399)

So, here's the other reason to force people to pay to submit to the journal. This weeds out the cranks and trolls.

No, it weeds out the poor cranks. And researchers, say in climate change, or pharmaceuticals, or diet... who are friendly to corporations, would find the money easily enough. Leaving science that was inconvenient to business unpublished. Imagine how this would have affected research on the effects of smoking.

Re:The other reason to charge for submission (1)

sjames (1099) | about a year ago | (#43300795)

However, if another journal is able to keep out the trolls for $1K (and likely, they can, that's what editors are for), that's the end of that. The big problem the publishers are facing is that on one side readers are realizing that they really shouldn't have to pay for research they already funded through tax money, and on the other researchers are realizing that now that you no longer have to own a massive printing press to publish something, the publishers are asking for an awful lot of money.

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43298933)

Is there a ready-to-go open-source online journal package?

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (3)

ksrage (229189) | about a year ago | (#43299173)

Open Journal Systems, http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs

They are currently working on version 3 with an updated interface among other things.

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299195)

The Open Journal System (OJS) is a free, professional academic software (http://pkp.sfu.ca/?q=ojs) by the Canadian-originating Public Knowledge Project.

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (2)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year ago | (#43299189)

Lets hope the same editorial board is sool working at a 'new' journal, the Open Journal of Library Administration, available only online/free.

Unless you have a stable funding model... I suspect they'll be working at jobs where they can feed their families and keep a roof over their head.

Admire them for what they did, but don't fool yourself into believing that money doesn't matter to real people in the real world.

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (2)

thesupraman (179040) | about a year ago | (#43299365)

Ah, you mean just like they were before?

Or do you think that those positions were their primary employment?
I think you have a lot to learn about academic journals and positions...

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (2)

thesupraman (179040) | about a year ago | (#43299377)

Just to prove the point...

http://library.columbia.edu/news/libraries/2008/20080619_jaggars.html

'Damon Jaggars Appointed New Associate University Librarian for Collections and Services at Columbia'

Sounds like a viable day-job to me...

Re:Time for a new journal, the OJLA? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43299401)

Unless you have a stable funding model... I suspect they'll be working at jobs where they can feed their families and keep a roof over their head.

Admire them for what they did, but don't fool yourself into believing that money doesn't matter to real people in the real world.

It's also good to not fool yourself into thinking you know more than shit about what your talking about.
Or as Lincoln put it, "when in a room full of people who think you are an idiot, it's better to keep quiet then open your mouth and remove any doubt."

In terms opf the p[resent argument, if the editors of the journal work as an overwhelming majority of editors of academic journals ( and they might not, I didn't even know that there were active library science researchers ), then they weren't getting paid.

Information wants to be free (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#43298359)

...but how do you pay for the Journal?

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298431)

Yeah, who could possibly afford something that requires all the resources of an email list or barely active online forum? Hopefully they figure out how to re-brand this as a military expense, where it can get the billions of dollars of funding needed.

Re:Information wants to be free (2)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year ago | (#43298623)

Hopefully they figure out how to re-brand this as a military expense, where it can get the billions of dollars of funding needed.

Hopefully they figure out how to re-brand this as an entitlement expense, where it can get the tens of dollars of funding needed.

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

meerling (1487879) | about a year ago | (#43298865)

Sounds like something that can be handled by petty cash.

Re:Information wants to be free (5, Informative)

godrik (1287354) | about a year ago | (#43298441)

The things is that there is mostly nothing to be paid. the editor-in-chief and the editorial board is not generally paid. The reviewers are not paid. Most readers access electronic versions and the paper version are almost never opened. So the actual cost is extremely low for the publisher. The only thing the publisher provide now a days is grammar check and spell check and text layouting. Anybody that worked in the field would tell you that mostly that part of the job is not properly done, especially text layouting. I often need multiple rounds with the publisher before I agree on their text layout.

So in brief they do not produce anything of value on the documentitself. They do print it but nobody cares. They do provide web access. But that could be done as the physicists do by publishing everything in arxiv first.

Re:Information wants to be free (4, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | about a year ago | (#43298487)

Thats a fair point. So where is the money going?

Re:Information wants to be free (4, Interesting)

godrik (1287354) | about a year ago | (#43298539)

That's a good question. I'd say marketing new journals. And I guess paying folks at the publisher which are doing other things (like book publishing).

It does not seem to go to shareholders as far as I can see.

Re:Information wants to be free (3, Interesting)

Joe Decker (3806) | about a year ago | (#43298569)

Printing, even if it's rarely used, can have significant up-front costs. I'd still like to see an accounting, though.

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

deimtee (762122) | about a year ago | (#43299069)

Printing is dirt cheap. Mailing the hardcopies out is likely to cost more than printing them.

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

theArtificial (613980) | about a year ago | (#43299233)

Printing is not "cheap" unless its done in house. Depending on the binding and the number of pages the costs may range between a few bucks and up. Let's say there isa modest run of 20,000 and you have a healthy up front cost which borders on an annual salary.

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43299355)

Thats a fair point. So where is the money going?

The pockets of the publishers.
Did you really need me to tell you that?

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298525)

There are two things a publisher actually does:
1. "face" - sort-of poses as "uninterested/impartial 3rd party, between authors and reviewers"
2. "guarantees the permanence" of the published information - sort-of an archivist.

Both of them are minor and easy (cheaper) to replaceable: first is actually only a pose (the authors/reviewers live and die by their professional ethic), second: a contribution to the archive.org will be cheaper than paying a publisher.

Re:Information wants to be free (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | about a year ago | (#43298613)

The only thing the publisher provide now a days is grammar check and spell check

As a researcher who has read hundreds, possibly thousands of journal articles, I say bollocks. Maybe Nature Publishing Group journals do a thorough spelling and grammar check, but all the others (in the field of chemistry, materials science and nanotechnology at least) do not.

Re:Information wants to be free (2)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year ago | (#43299327)

You may have read thousands of journal articles, but did you bother reading the parents' next sentence, where he states:

Anybody that worked in the field would tell you that mostly that part of the job is not properly done

Re:Information wants to be free (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298905)

The grammar checker called; he wants to talk to you about "text layouting".

Re:Information wants to be free (4, Interesting)

klapaucjusz (1167407) | about a year ago | (#43298489)

...but how do you pay for the Journal?

What is there to pay for?

  • the authors are academics that are being paid from a grant or by their employer -- they're not being paid by the journal;
  • the authors typeset their paper themselves, using TeX or a word processor;
  • the reviewers are fellow academics, who are not paid by the journal (they're usually anonymous, so they don't even receive kudos for their work);
  • discussion happens mostly over e-mail, which is already paid for.

So what remains is the salary of the editor and some administrative overhead, which should not be too onerous for even a minor institution.

Re:Information wants to be free (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298777)

...but how do you pay for the Journal?

What is there to pay for?

  • the authors are academics that are being paid from a grant or by their employer -- they're not being paid by the journal;
  • the authors typeset their paper themselves, using TeX or a word processor;
  • the reviewers are fellow academics, who are not paid by the journal (they're usually anonymous, so they don't even receive kudos for their work);
  • discussion happens mostly over e-mail, which is already paid for.

So what remains is the salary of the editor and some administrative overhead, which should not be too onerous for even a minor institution.

Publisher's roles nowadays:
1. Archiving - longer term storage of the articles; and
2. go-between authors and reviewers, so that the reviewers can be anonymous to the authors... (possible problems otherwise along the range of "reciprocal back scratching, who cares about science" or the "mortal foes forever, scientific truth be damned" extremes).

Both of them easy to replace nowadays (for an "online only, download and print when you want it on your own printer" type of journal).

Re:Information wants to be free (2)

cwebster (100824) | about a year ago | (#43299203)

1 - yes
2 - no, that is the editor's job, and he is just as unpaid as the authors and reviewers. And so are his assistants.

Re:Information wants to be free (5, Interesting)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#43299265)

You forgot "Go to conferences and trade shows and spend a lot to promote the brand."

At a recent huge research conference, I went to a bar. Didn't know it until I walked in, I was meeting some colleagues there, but it was open bar, paid for by a major journal for researchers to try to woo them into publishing there. I enjoyed the booze, which was paid for by the journal, which got paid from universities and researchers buying back research that they had done, which in turn was paid for (both parts) by grants, which was paid by the taxpayer.

I was a little sick the next day at that realization. Also the whiskey. And a cold, you'd think thousands of biologists would be better at keeping germs from spreading between themselves.

Re:Information wants to be free (2)

tsa (15680) | about a year ago | (#43299993)

I never typeset my papers myself. Many Journals offer special templates for Word and Latex to use, but I never even look at them. I pay US$ 100,- per page on average and I refuse to do all the work a publisher has to do beside that. I never had any troubles with that.

Re:Information wants to be free (0)

tsa (15680) | about a year ago | (#43299953)

Information does not want anything. Some people want information to be free, usually because they're too cheap to pay for the Justin Bieber songs they download.

cheaper if less profit made... (3, Informative)

fantomas (94850) | about a year ago | (#43301035)

I'd like to see some evidence that publishing a journal requires each article to be costed at 2995 dollars (a suspicious looking figure to me).

I'm an academic. I get asked to peer review articles for free. We do it as part of our workload. I have colleagues who edit journals. They do this for free. I author articles: I do this within the costs of my project, the journal gets my article for free. Authors work for free, reviewers work for free, editors work for free. It's just the production and publicity team that get paid (the publishing house). We don't even expect them to roll the presses and produce paper versions these days, we are happy with web links to PDFs.

So we need to think hard about what the costs are in putting an online journal live onto the internet.

Why do academics continue to publish in closed journals? because generally they are still the high impact ones (with a very few exceptions). So I, and many other contract researchers like me, tend to publish in closed journals because these look better on the cv. Philosophical high ground is all well and good but when you've got a child to feed and a house to pay for you have to be pragmatic and keep in a job.

I can imagine this might change over the next 20 years or so as more and more folk start open access journals and they are gradually given greater impact ratings.

Personally I think we're going to see a few universities taking the lead with open access journals and this might break into the monopoly held by a small number of publishers right now. If you're doing it not-for-profit you can do it cheaper than a commercial publishing house that has to show profit to its shareholders.

Why are journals *so* important? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298375)

I understand that you need some quality control and facilitate peer review and whatnot, but is there really no way to make that work in some way that doesn't involve these journals/publishers?

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (2)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#43298469)

Lots of things would be nicer if you didn't have to pay for them.

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (4, Informative)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about a year ago | (#43298563)

Yes. Have journals be online, for example using free software for that purpose like Open Journal Systems [pkp.sfu.ca] , and have faculty members run them as part of their job description. Some successful and long running journals already operate this way.

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (3, Insightful)

godrik (1287354) | about a year ago | (#43298571)

There certainly are ways to do that. But it would require the community to move away from them. As a recently hired assistant professor, my tenure will be evaluated partially based on my publication track in "good journals". So I will publish wherever my tenure commitee believe is good. Currently this happens to be where publishers are.

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#43299303)

But some journals are starting to offer open-access publishing options, you just pay as the author. I can't remember which, but one journal I was looking at publishing required $2k to put your journal article on their website without a paywall.

At the time, I was skeptical that it would pay off, and published it regular-like. But since then, I've had a few researchers I didn't know e-mail me, asking for the PDF. It wasn't a journal article with a particularly broad audience, so I'm wondering if I really screwed myself out of a lot of citations that way.

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299675)

Check and see if you are legally allowed to put a pre-print up on your personal website or arxiv - that could get you the best of both worlds to a degree - semi-public access without the $2k. Of course in the long term, this represents free-riding and if everyone did this, the free-to-publish journals would die.

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43301285)

But some journals are starting to offer open-access publishing options, you just pay as the author. I can't remember which, but one journal I was looking at publishing required $2k to put your journal article on their website without a paywall.

In fact, that's exactly what the ILJ publisher offered: $3k open-access/"author's choice." But that's an assload of money to most people: a half month of GRA, a new computer, airfare/hotel/registration at a national conference. Especially if those people are not grant-funded. For NIH funded research, the journals have already agreed to allow everything open access after 12 months, so you really have to question whether that $2k is really worth it. You can probably get more cites by going to a decent conference and talking up your work than from the distinction between abstract-online and "author's choice."

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298579)

Any suggestions?

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a year ago | (#43299539)

Peer reviewed original research?
Interesting reading material?

Something to put on your CV?

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43299565)

As someone previously pointed out, physicists have been coming close with arXiv ( and it's predecessors ) for 30 years.
It's much cheaper and easier now, then it was back then.

The main thing you need is a bit of funding, but if the funding agencies were to reduce grants by 90% of what goes into paying for these journals ( publishing fees, library expenditures on journals, access fees to journal articles ) and give out grants ( from that 90%, after a few years I figure very little would be needed ) to people producing systems similar to arXiv with no publishing fees, no access fees, producing refereed ejournals, the researchers would get to slightly more ( hey 10% of something they no longer have to pay for ) funding and we would have a new academic publishing system that requires less money and works better then what we have.

The main problem is one of "how do we get there from here ".

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43300657)

then it was back then

Did writing that not trigger a thought in your head? A thought along the lines of "my usage of then is incorrect?".

Re:Why are journals *so* important? (1)

hweimer (709734) | about a year ago | (#43300805)

I think for low-profile journals which are edited by active scientists, it shouldn't be a problem to move to something like arXiv overlay journals, which comes as close to free as you can get. High-profile journals like Nature and Science, however, are a completely different story. Here, you have full-time editors paid by the journals who actually have to do tricky tasks such as finding good referees who will not reject a paper on political grounds or promote a paper because it was written by one of their pals. Therefore, it is not too bad if you have editors whose careers do not hinge on whether a topic becomes hot or not. If you remove this part of external quality control to save costs, chances are that scientific publishing will become even more politicized than it already is.

How Hard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298459)

Maybe I'm missing something but really, how fucking hard is it to self-publish articles?!

Re:How Hard? (5, Insightful)

WillAdams (45638) | about a year ago | (#43298481)

The hard part when anyone can publish anything is finding something worth reading.

Re:How Hard? (3, Interesting)

jd659 (2730387) | about a year ago | (#43298717)

The hard part when anyone can publish anything is finding something worth reading.

Just have a /. comment voting system where readers/writers can "vote" on the articles. Very quickly there will be a select group of readers providing valid ratings, so give them more mod points. The good articles will bubble up to the top having higher rating. The "prestige" factor will be in having a high rating on such a site. And the karma will improve!

Re:How Hard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299649)

it's hard to find things worth reading in IEEE. I can't believe other pay-for journals are that much better.

Re:How Hard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298815)

Maybe I'm missing something but really, how fucking hard is it to self-publish articles?!

Publishing is not a problem. Being credible and, more important, being cited is.

GOOD (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43298461)

Got nothing but good thoughts for these blokes. Some one in position did something good.

Here's an idea (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year ago | (#43298465)

Fire your publisher and get a better one. There are numerous options available.

Re:Here's an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298657)

No. If you're a young researcher trying to collect impact points, and all the top journals are closed (as in biology or psychology), you have to choose between ethics and career.
In my field (physics) this problem is long gone, but in e.g. psychology (my wife's field) you have to play by the rules if you want to get anywhere.

Re:Here's an idea (1)

deimtee (762122) | about a year ago | (#43299119)

Interesting. I wonder if there is a correlation between locked down publishing, and the "hardness" of the science.

FOAILZOrS!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298471)

a l10sing battle; forwards we must towels on the floor

Unreasonable (4, Insightful)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year ago | (#43298479)

Why did they only make it $2995? Why didn't they make it $190,000 and a free ride in a helicopter to Disneyworld? Ask for the real money. On the other hand, they did come in under $3000, which the Ronco corporation knew was the key to selling lots of Ginsu knives. Only $19.95.

Re:Unreasonable (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298513)

Because fuck you, that's why.

Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (4, Insightful)

Dr. Spork (142693) | about a year ago | (#43298485)

Um, it doesn't take a genius to see that you're not exactly making a great offer: "Our journal will publish your article into the public domain! Now fork out $3000 for the privilege!" I don't think board needed many reasons of conscience to resign. They were probably more like: "Hey, let's stop working for these idiots!"

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43298573)

Yes, but then you don't get the good PR of pretending to feel bad for Swartz.

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (4, Interesting)

godrik (1287354) | about a year ago | (#43298583)

This is actually a common things in academic journals. When I publish a paper, I have the "opportunity" of making the paper "open access" by paying some amount of money. It is a fairly standard practice.

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (4, Informative)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year ago | (#43298951)

It seems reasonable that a publisher would have to recover costs and make a profit. If they can not recover it from subscription the only other choice is to charge contributors. Publishers are not charities. According to this annual report [informa.com] Taylor & Francis' parent compant made a 27% profit in the Academic Information sector and 7% overall. Without that cash cow the company is not viable.

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (1)

godrik (1287354) | about a year ago | (#43299013)

Oh! thanks for that information. I was looking for it and could not find it. That document is real corporate document. With chunks of reall corporateness in it.

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299243)

It seems reasonable that a publisher would have to recover costs and make a profit. If they can not recover it from subscription the only other choice is to charge contributors. Publishers are not charities. According to this annual report [informa.com] Taylor & Francis' parent compant made a 27% profit in the Academic Information sector and 7% overall. Without that cash cow the company is not viable.

BINGO. Publishers are no longer viable!!!

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (2)

Michael Woodhams (112247) | about a year ago | (#43301165)

I suspect it goes something like this:

In the 1980s, the commercial scientific publishers discovered that they could keep raising their subscription rates at well above inflation, and university libraries would keep paying them. So not only did their profits soar, but their expectation for future revenue increases also soared. On the basis of this, the companies were rated as being very valuable and got bought out for very large sums. Now some suit somewhere has invested billions of dollars in such a company, having borrowed the money to do so, and believes he is entitled to a reasonable rate of return on investment, so the huge subscription costs become 'reasonable' in that they are needed to support that billion dollar debt. What is lost to him is that the price paid for the company was based on the unreasonable proposition that not only were the current subscription rates reasonable, but that they could continue to be raised.

While the scenario above is consistent with my knowledge, I confess it is largely guess work.

Having said that, $3000 per article for open access is not out of line with the rest of the industry. The first non-commercial journal I looked up (Bioinformatics, by Oxford University Press) also charges $3000 [oxfordjournals.org] to open access a full length article from a first world country.

Re:Wait, the *contributors* had to pay to publish? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299449)

Journal names and figures please. That'll help a lot in this discussion.

SCAM should be all in prison (2)

PortHaven (242123) | about a year ago | (#43298655)

Researchers...you have to pay us to publish.

Then we sell your published works to others.

***

Seriously, the scientific journal world makes RIAA look like good guys. (Just goes to show, scientists are not so bright).

Seriously, Wikipedia should launch a peer review parallel site.

Re:SCAM should be all in prison (2)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#43299325)

Just goes to show, scientists are not so bright

In our defense, we're generally not the ones paying for access fees. The universities are, which are using student tuition to. Granted, the universities do take a ridiculous chunk of the grants we work hard to bring in, and then they do little for us in return besides keep the lights on...

$2995.00? (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year ago | (#43298665)

That deal is kind of like a sore peter... hard to beat.

Publishing alternative. (1)

humblepie (650771) | about a year ago | (#43298723)

I would prefer to solve the problem of publishing research in an open, free, non-commercial environment, but don't know of one. I wonder, if it wouldn't be workable to self-publish on Amazon.com, which has the bandwidth, storage, and infrastructure to support the publishing of the research and associated reviews.

Wait what? (4, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#43298827)

So scientists give their work to a journal for publication, and have to pay to get more favorable license terms?

I knew that scientific publication is a strange world, but this seems somewhat preposterous.

Why hasn't it been done? (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | about a year ago | (#43298963)

There is so much talk about how cost are minuscule and any reasonably sized institute could bear the load. If that was true then why has it not been done already? I am sure most institutes would love to get rid of the costs of journal subscriptions. Perhaps it is not as easy or low cost as some people think.

Re:Why hasn't it been done? (1)

slew (2918) | about a year ago | (#43300413)

There is so much talk about how cost are minuscule and any reasonably sized institute could bear the load. If that was true then why has it not been done already? I am sure most institutes would love to get rid of the costs of journal subscriptions. Perhaps it is not as easy or low cost as some people think.

If you want hard number, look no further than here [arxiv.org] ...

According to their FAQ, arXiv's operating costs for 2013-2017 are projected to average of $826,000 per year, including indirect expenses. Cornell (the hosting institution) kicks in about $75K/year. They also get $350K/year from the Simons Foundation***. Other schools/institutions kick in money based on a "shame" funding model (kind of like a museum suggested donation). arXiv publishes a list of the top 200 downloading institutions sorted by orginating IP address and suggests that they become members and donate between $1.5K and $3K/year based on their position on the list. Looking at the top 25 institutions, there appears to be only 3 "dead-beats" (14, 21, and 22 who are unnamed), and a greater than 75% uptake on the top 100.

As more institutions pony-up, it is anticipated that the funding from the Simons Foundation will eventually drop down to a nominal level ($50K/year) as the extra $300K/year it was provided to bootstrap the endeavor so that the suggested donation from institutions could be kept low enough to be "miniscule".

*** The Simons Foundation was started by a Mathemetician turned Hedge-fund manager billionare.

Re:Why hasn't it been done? (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about a year ago | (#43300781)

OK. So we are starting to get somewhere.
There are still a few facts needed, roughly how many grants are awarded to those universities?

How much money in those grants is set aside for cost of publishing and purchasing reference materials?

Using physics and arXiv as models, assume that 30% of topics (high-energy, general relativity, solid-state, etc ) are covered by arXiv and 50% ( the 30% are generally the most exciting and interesting areas, and also the most prolific ) of the physics papers produced in a year ( there is a delay between producing and publication which is not seen at arXiv--arXiv sees a paper as soon as it is produced ).

I think that it is safe to say that extending arXiv to all of physics can easily be covered by $2million a year. Add epijournals to that and double the cost. So $4million a year to set up arXiv and a publishing system. If the NFS were to fund it outright, and demand that all papers produced using their grants be published in the arXiv based epijournals, and reduce the grants accordingly what would the final numbers look like?

Blows my mind (2)

Compaqt (1758360) | about a year ago | (#43299011)

Here's the way I imagine society works: Some among us produce food. Later, some start producing stuff (as in industry). Then we all notice we need knowledge to keep the economy going. So we set up higher education, and pay people (professors) so they can focus just on education, and leave the moneymaking to the rest of us.

So why is that that we have people still trying to make money off of education, when we're already paying for it anyway?!

When the taxpayers have already funded research, what's the justification for not having that research available to anybody and everybody?

Re:Blows my mind (4, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43299113)

When the taxpayers have already funded research, what's the justification for not having that research available to anybody and everybody?

Because money money money money mine mine mine mine.

If you have any other questions about justification for dubious acts under Capitalism, please refer to the above subtle and nuanced explanation.

Re:Blows my mind (1)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year ago | (#43299349)

I think it's because people who are working hard to learn or do research are more interested in that than in starting a new way in which they won't be screwed. I could start a journal which would be fair, I could work hard to get investors and raise the impact factor to respectable levels (or rather I could once I get to be respected in my field). But I won't, because that would be incredibly boring. Also because I would rather do science that will contribute more to society, but really it's about interest level.

Remember the MathWorld Story? (3, Insightful)

Strange Attractor (18957) | about a year ago | (#43299217)

I took a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MathWorld to remind myself about how CRC press treated Eric W. Weisstein (creator of MathWorld). CRC press is a division of Taylor and Francis. Whenever I get a request to referee for a Taylor and Francis publication, I decline and point the editor at the MathWorld story.

Don't do business with Taylor and Francis.

Re:Remember the MathWorld Story? (2)

smegfault (2001252) | about a year ago | (#43300689)

I just read the Wikipedia article, and apparently the sticking point was "that the MathWorld content was to remain in print only". If that's the contract Weisstein signed, he could have known he would get into trouble. Don't get me wrong, the academic publishing business is very seriously broken in many ways, but if this is really just a breach of contract, Weisstein should've known better.

Create a Climate . . . (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | about a year ago | (#43299429)

Copyrights are being abused. The law must change. Sooner or later politicians will see that a LOT of people support copyright reform with moderate intensity. Then we'll see reform . . .

So, the point is, keep up the dialog!

I'm buying the Mickey Mouse Copyright theory. In other words copyright duration equals Mickey Mouse's age.

It's SERIOUS BULLSHIT.

Too Little And Too Late (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43299793)

The 'Board' are libel for murder under USA Federal and State Laws.

Resigning 'En-Mass' is no closet to hide in nor a Legal Defense.

Their Fates and Deaths are sealed.

If only we had a World Wide Web ... (1)

gig (78408) | about a year ago | (#43300843)

... that was made specifically for publishing scientific articles. Or something like iBookstore and Kindle Store, with DIY publishing options for anyone with moderate Mac skills.

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