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Sony Reveals More PS4 and Dual Shock 4 Details

Unknown Lamer posted about a year and a half ago | from the cool-sunglasses dept.

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Yesterday, Sony gave a presentation explaining a bit about the new PS4 hardware, the development environment (Windows 7 based IDE), and the changes to the Dual Shock controller. From the article: "The system is also set up to run graphics and computational code synchronously, without suspending one to run the other. Norden says that Sony has worked to carefully balance the two processors to provide maximum graphics power of 1.843 teraFLOPS at an 800Mhz clock speed while still leaving enough room for computational tasks. The GPU will also be able to run arbitrary code, allowing developers to run hundreds or thousands of parallelized tasks with full access to the system's 8GB of unified memory. ... The DualShock 4 controller that's standard on the PS4 eliminates one feature that was seldom used on the PS3 —the analog face buttons..." The trackpad will support two touch points, the rumble motors can be controlled more finely, and the analog sticks were tweaked for "reduced dead zone and better feeling tension that grips your thumbs."

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Too bad (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302595)

Too bad it's made by sony though.

Re:Too bad (2, Insightful)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302827)

I for one welcome my new time wasting overlord. Why the hell not, sounds like fun! I'm not going to hold my nose because of a 4 year old Linux thing, or a 15 year old cd root kit thing. What I care is, how awesome will bioshock infinite 2 or assassin's creed V look? The only thing missing fromm the summary is a ship date. Will it be out the door in time for Christmas?

Re:Too bad (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302857)

I'm not going to hold my nose because of a 4 year old Linux thing

I disagree. If the management responsible for Sony's behavior in the George Hotz and Lik Sang cases has neither left nor repented, I don't see how I can forgive Sony.

Nuh uh (5, Interesting)

fyngyrz (762201) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303099)

No hardware compatibility, no emulation == no buy.

And I agree with you: I *am* going to hold my nose because of that linux thing. That was uncalled for. "Here! Have this console with this feature! Got it? Ok, yeah, that feature? We're taking that out."

I just can't see giving Sony any more money; as they chose to make it so that only used, older units will play the titles in my game library, then so be it: Used, older units is what I will buy when the ones I have go nipples north. I've already dedicated more shelves (and system inputs) to game machines than most people bother to; no more.

There's a silver lining to this, too... the used game market for the previous and earlier generation machines is inexpensive and rich with titles. Couldn't find and play all the good ones if I played one a day for the rest of my life. There are a few titles that have basically infinite re-playability, too, because they're about interacting with other people. So.... pfbbbt.

DNAS error -103 (4, Informative)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303183)

There are a few titles that have basically infinite re-playability, too, because they're about interacting with other people.

If by "interacting with other people" you mean "online play", Sony is known for closing these titles' matchmaking servers with DNAS error -103 ("This software title is not in service") to make you buy the sequel. If by "interacting with other people" you mean something else, please elaborate.

Re:DNAS error -103 (3, Informative)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303767)

If by "interacting with other people" you mean "online play", Sony is known for closing these titles' matchmaking servers with DNAS error -103 ("This software title is not in service") to make you buy the sequel. If by "interacting with other people" you mean something else, please elaborate.

Yeah, I'm a bit concerned on this front, but for a different reason.

I bought my PS3 a few years back because then it was a reasonable price for:

1. 3D Bluray player

2. It streamed Netflix 3. Now, it also streams Amazon Prime

4. Oh...apparently it plays games too.

I use it a great deal for watching HD YouTube these days, and streaming NF and AP.

I've bought like 3 games, I tried Red Dead Redemption and love the game, but can never get the hang of it.

I used to could play game quite well as a kid, but I can't seem to get the real memory and muscle memory to get down all the freakin' controls on the dual shock. Two joy sticks (that also are press-able buttons) and the other plethora of buttons, and then on top...this new (to me) 3rd person view.

I do ok till a gunfight hits, and next thing I know, I'm staring at the sky or the ground and blood stains are filling the screen.

I guess I need to find 2-3 weekends in a row, with nothing else to do but sit down and learn the damned controller.

The games look cool, I would thing that the Batman Arkham Asylum would be fun, but shit, I don't think I stand a chance to play that one till I can somehow develop the muscle memory for the controllers.

Anyway, I digress, but I bought the PS3 mostly as a nice BR player and streaming machine.

I hope those functionalities aren't dropped anytime soon after the PS4 comes out.

Re:Nuh uh (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303335)

No hardware compatibility, no emulation == no buy.

Why not? Don't you already have a PS3 you can play your PS3 games on? It's a brand new console. Backwards compatibility didn't help the Atari 7800, and it didn't help the Sega Genesis much either. Why spend so much effort engineering in backwards compatibility when you can just play your old console?

When DVDs came out, I didn't bitch that they weren't backwards compatible with what I already had. I kept my VCR and watched my tapes on that when I wanted to, and watched DVDs when I wanted to do that. What's so hard about that?

Promising backwards compatibility and then removing it is a shitty thing to do to your customers. Being up front about the lack of a feature that's barely useful is doing things right for a change.

Re:Nuh uh (1)

tuffy (10202) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303657)

Backwards compatibility did help the PS2, along with Nintendo's long line of portables. But the PS3 architecture is unsustainable, so there was never any chance those games would be supported by the PS4. The best one can hope for is that they'll be recompiled for the new architecture and put up on Sony's download shop someday in the future.

Re:Nuh uh (1)

iroll (717924) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303979)

If the PS4 isn't powerful enough to emulate a PS3 in software, then what makes it powerful enough to warrant obsoleting the PS3? Pretty much every previous generation has had this capability (ignoring engineered incompatibility, like cartridges).

Re:Nuh uh (1)

n30na (1525807) | about a year and a half ago | (#43304079)

Previous generations usually achieved this by having the chips for the old console in them, in one form or another, when playing just one generation back at least.

Re:Nuh uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303697)

Because not everyone has the cash to splash out wholesale on a new console.

Some people sell their old consoles in for a bit of cash to go towards the new one.

Re:Nuh uh (1)

jxander (2605655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303899)

Atari? VHS? Is it too much to ask for technology to march forward a bit?

This isn't the 80s anymore. We have the technology, we can rebu- no wait ... we can emulate! I'm not a SW monkey, so maybe someone else can answer this : how hard is it to take an existing game and transpose it into emulator language? Or, for some outside the box thinking... what's stopping Sony from just finding some guy on the internet who wrote a Playstation emulator, and paying him a couple grand for the rights to use it? Say 50k. That's probably less than some Sony VP get paid for taking his morning dump, and the whole thing becomes a non-issue. Done and done.

The real problem is logistics. I have a limited number of ports on my television, and a limited amount of usable shelf space. If I'm required to have 2 or 3 systems per "tech tree," plus my HTPC, plus a cable box, I am going to run out of real estate in a big hurry. Not to mention the act of training my wife and kids: "To watch a DVD you want *that* playstation, it's on HDMI 3 ... no dear, Pretty Princess Pony plays on *that* system, it's connected to component 2... no no, that's the HTPC remote."

Re:Nuh uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303985)

It helped first iterations of PS3 and PS2.

Another thing to consider: I already have PS3 and XBox360, but where am I supposed to stick one or two consoles more? Space under my TV is not stretchable, so those'll have to go.

My PS2 and PS1 collection still gets some use without taking extra space near TV thanks to PCSX and PCSX2 teams. I rather doubt it there'll be PS3 emulator in close future.

Re:Nuh uh (0)

vux984 (928602) | about a year and a half ago | (#43304131)

Don't you already have a PS3 you can play your PS3 games on?

No. I don't have a PS3. So right there that argument flies out the window.

But even if I did have a PS3 I would want backwards compatibility. Less clutter in my living room for one thing, the ability to sell the PS3 to help fund the PS4 would be nice, or the ability to give it away. My parents have my old Wii now that we have a Wii-U. I can still play the Wii games at home, and now the kids can play them with grandma too.

When DVDs came out, I didn't bitch that they weren't backwards compatible with what I already had.

Yes they were. CD's play just fine in them.

Promising backwards compatibility and then removing it is a shitty thing to do to your customers

Not half as shitty as promising a feature, delivering the feature, and then removing it from the devices people already had as a condition of continuing to use it to play multiplayer games. That's not 'shitty' that's criminal.

Being up front about the lack of a feature that's barely useful is doing things right for a change.

Being up front is a good change. And the substantial architectural changes between PS3 and PS4 with respect to CPU probably makes back-comp a pain in the ass to implement, so I get why they aren't doing it. I don't really care though, they set down that course of action when they gambled on the Cell in the first place. I thought it was a bad idea then, and it continues to have lasting repercussions of suck today.

Then again I've only bought Nintendo consoles since the PS1. I get enough of the so-called mature console style games on my PC, and now have one attached to my TV, with an xbox controller, and tons of games picked up on steam and gog and elsewhere for a fraction of the price, better mod options, and a host of other stuff.

I didn't have a PS3 and don't miss it. I'm not likely to buy a PS4 either. But I bought a Wii-U even though launch game support was weak because Nintendo delivers a different gaming experience, and quite frankly we're happy with it. It does a lot of stuff my PC box can't do well. The new tablet controler is pretty sweet, and my kids love to be able to play skylanders and other games even when the TV is tied up with something else. Its a feature I didn't give much value to when I bought it, but its amazing how much it gets used.

The backwards compatibility with Wii is a nice bonus too, and is much more than a "barely useful feature", particularly given the weak Wii-U launch title line up.

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303625)

Bait-and-switch behavior should mean the end of the company. I'm not risking them doing it again.

Re:Too bad (1)

iplayfast (166447) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303969)

I agree. I'm still boycotting Sony, they are bullies in corporate shirts.

Re:Too bad (-1, Flamebait)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302877)

I'm not going to hold my nose because of a 4 year old Linux thing, or a 15 year old cd root kit thing. What I care is, how awesome will bioshock infinite 2 or assassin's creed V look? The only thing missing fromm the summary is a ship date. Will it be out the door in time for Christmas?

And this ^ is exactly why they keep getting away with it. I'd give you some lube, but apparently you enjoy being rammed by Sony et. all

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303031)

"et al." is probably the phrase you were looking for. It's an abbreviation for "et alii" which is Latin for "and others" - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_al#et_alii [wikipedia.org]

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303699)

MMMMM delicious hyperbole.

The simple truth is that very few people cared about Linux on the PS3. So sure, dozens of you are holding grudges. Please, do carry on. And please do keep whining about it ad infinitum. I find it almost as entertaining as the games themselves.

Re:Too bad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302971)

how awesome will bioshock infinite 2 or assassin's creed V look?

Exactly as awesome as the PC version, minus 20%. For what it's worth, AMD just released the 7790, a $150 graphics card with very, VERY similar numbers, and the PS4 hasn't even shipped yet.

You can avoid Sony and still have the best graphics. Just go PC.

Re:Too bad (1)

Wookact (2804191) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303837)

Bioshock looks awesome on my PC, no new console needed.

Re:Too bad (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303859)

a 4 year old Linux thing

Barely 3 years since it was retroactively and unilaterally removed from existing systems.

a 15 year old cd root kit thing

The rootkit thing happened in 2006, not 1998.

What I care is, how awesome will bioshock infinite 2 or assassin's creed V look?

Ah yes! More sequels! Fuck originality, I want to know what Madden 45 looks like!

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303389)

Too bad? It's indisputably a good thing that the PS4 is being made by Sony. People who want lots of DRM and possibly some more bait & switching will adore the PS4, and Sony delivers all of that in a single package. The PS4 every imbecile's dream!

Re:Too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303745)

Well, the Sony corporation IS a video game! My daughter installed their fun "Find the XCP rootkit" from a music CD on my computer when she was a teenager working at a record store. Another great Sony title was "Update your console without deleting Linux". That one was even harder than the XCP game. Then they had the even harder "keep your private information that's in a web-facing unencrypted database out of the hands of fraudsters" game.

I can't wait to see the games for this new PS (BTW, what does PS stand for? Please, Sony? Piece of Shit? Patently Stupid? I'm guessing the latter; anyone who buy anything, let alone computer gear, from a company with a track record like Sony is, IMO, particularly stupid.

Caution about moderation abuse... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302607)

A corrupt slashdot luser has infiltrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.

Nearly 150++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:

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A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 150 or so times I noted above) -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3585795&cid=43285307 [slashdot.org]

&/or

B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here

---

(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).

APK

P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March now, & 140++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

Re:Caution about moderation abuse... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302885)

The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. But it's pretty damn funny, though.

Re:Caution about moderation abuse... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302977)

What? You don't have a 14MB hosts file with ~1million entries in it? Next you'll probably tell me that your computer doesn't start thrashing and take 5 minutes for a DNS lookup!

No link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302613)

What's with the only link being to the wikipedia page for the Dual Shock controller?

Why is TFA a Wikipedia article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302623)

Come on.

Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302627)

Get back to me the system is sub $200.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302697)

There is no way they could have that price point with decent hardware. I think your statement should be read as "I'll get back to this when it's $200" - see ya in 5 years.

Any Word On compatability? (2)

Wing_Zero (692394) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302631)

So are they going to ditch the PS3 support with this one? i still have my PS2 sitting in my living room for that reason.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302699)

Acquisition of GaiKai and skinny on the street says it will be offered down the line by some sort of cloudy streamy service.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302869)

Acquisition of GaiKai and skinny on the street says it will be offered down the line by some sort of cloudy streamy service.

Which means if your home Internet is satellite, microwave, capped DSL, capped cable, or capped fiber, good luck.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302913)

Also means you'll have to go repurchase all the stuff you own, if they make it available at all.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303181)

Traditionally Gaikai was a subscription based service especially when I was beta testing it.
I imagine that you don't get to actually buy your cloud games, but for another $10 a month (in addition to your PS+ for $20) you can rent them out.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (5, Informative)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302709)

The Playstation 4 will not be backwards compatible with Playstation 3 games. [ign.com]

Playstation 2 games will be supported via emulation, /if/ you buy and download them from the Playstation store (so no, you can't just pop in a PS2 disc and expect it to work; you need to buy the game again).

In other words, for full backwards compatibility you need all three devices.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (1)

DdJ (10790) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303111)

Three devices? What's the state of original PlayStation games? There's a (small) subset of those that don't run properly on the PS2. Will they run on the PS4?

(I have a ton of PSX and PS2 games. Today, I keep both an original PlayStation and a PS2 hooked up in our guest room, next to the SNES, Genesis, and GameCube. I do not have a PS3 or any PS3 games, so the question of how original PlayStation games play on the PS3 isn't of interest to me.)

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303231)

It'd be no different than what it was on the PS3 at best.
But the PS3 used the last bios of the PS2.
And the last bios of the PS2 had compatibility issues with some PS2 games.
The purpose of the 9000x series slimline PS2's was to remove a bios bug that allowed homebrew.
It also broke compatibility with some games (I believe Virtua Fighter was one).

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303135)

sounds about right, considering the vast majority of home consoles have not supported another console's games.

backward compatibility is a feature a lot of people say they want, but few people actually use. i'm happy the ps4 won't play ps3 games - that would have driven up the price tremendously, and my ps3 still works just fine.

and if you don't already have a ps3 but want to play ps3 games, guess what? the ps3 is really cheap now.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (4, Funny)

butalearner (1235200) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303155)

In other words, for full backwards compatibility you need all three devices.

My 60 GB first generation PS3 begs to differ! Just a month ago I was looking through my games and I realized I never played Growlanser 3 (which came in the set with 2, which I played through twice), so I've been going through that one. As a bonus, it takes some of the load off my aging furnace.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303597)

Yea and backward compatible PS3s aren't even expensive refurbished. Sub $200.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302723)

They will be doing streaming PS3 games. I don't like kotaku but this was the first article I found: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/02/the-ps4-will-stream-ps1-ps2-and-ps3-games/

Re:Any Word On compatability? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302735)

Yup.
That is the reason I am likely not getting one.
That and the fact that the PS3 still works fine. Heck, I am still backlogged with PS2 games to play.

Re:Any Word On compatability? (2)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302785)

They are ditching PS3 support. Mainly so they can move to a PC architecture.

What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302891)

If PlayStation 4 is moving to a PC architecture, then what's the point of buying a PlayStation 4 over a home theater PC running a less-closed operating system such as Windows 8 or GNU/Linux?

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302999)

PCs don't get to run Sony exclusive titles. People like them, a lot. It's the same for the other consoles, it's about the games, not the transistor configurations. The new xbox will also return to x86 architecture. Going to moan about that too?

Then why PS exclusives over PC exclusives? (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303119)

PCs don't get to run Sony exclusive titles. People like them, a lot.

Nor do PlayStations run PC-exclusive titles. People like them, a lot. There are a lot of games that Valve greenlighted that Sony probably wouldn't for whatever reason.

Re:Then why PS exclusives over PC exclusives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303339)

Utterly missing the point, a classic myopic PC zealot. The world isn't one or the other, it's what people prefer. You like PCs, 100 million xbox 360 and PS3s have been purchased. You think they should be on PCs only? Sheesh. What a fucking twat you must be. Some of us have all three, but don't carrying on shitheads. Whaaa whhaaa, someone didn't chose the same as me, whaaa wwaaaaaa.

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303213)

What... All 2 titles that they have? No, this move is another nail in Sony's coffin. They are and have been slowly alienating themselves from their customer bass by ignoring what people actually want.

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303471)

who can blame them, after a few days that customer bass starts to stink.

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303065)

If PlayStation 4 is moving to a PC architecture, then what's the point of buying a PlayStation 4 over a home theater PC running a less-closed operating system such as Windows 8 or GNU/Linux?

So you can play the games for the Playstation?

The internals might be PC architecture, but Sony is going to make damned sure there's lots preventing you from running these games on a PC.

Sony is doing this to cut costs, not make something which is 'open' in any meaningful way. Because let's face it, Sony doesn't do that sort of thing.

PC/PS4 multiplatform releases (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303151)

The internals might be PC architecture, but Sony is going to make damned sure there's lots preventing you from running these games on a PC.

Please elaborate on these "lots". How is Sony going to prevent licensed developers from taking their own games, which are already ported to very PC-like hardware, and making PC ports available through Steam on the PC? And what is Sony going to do to attract PS4 ports of games originally developed for the PC?

Re:PC/PS4 multiplatform releases (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303545)

There's nothing at all to prevent the publishers from taking their games and doing whatever they like unless they signed a contract with Sony to the contrary.

But I'm betting that there will be just enough stuff in there that is proprietary to make it just incompatible enough as to be entirely unusable.

I meant you won't be able to take a PS4 title, pop it into your PC and run it. Just because the CPU architecture is x86 doesn't mean Sony hasn't gone to great pains to ensure they don't quite work the same.

Re:PC/PS4 multiplatform releases (2, Insightful)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303893)

The internals might be PC architecture, but Sony is going to make damned sure there's lots preventing you from running these games on a PC.

Please elaborate on these "lots". How is Sony going to prevent licensed developers from taking their own games, which are already ported to very PC-like hardware, and making PC ports available through Steam on the PC? And what is Sony going to do to attract PS4 ports of games originally developed for the PC?

Both Macs and Windows use PC architecture computers, and yet, I cannot run most Mac software on my Windows PC and vice versa. I can run Linux on both, but I can't run software designed for either on Linux. Software compatability is a lot more involved than the underlying hardware.

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303415)

Price, exclusive games, and difficulty. I was looking to purchase a Gaming PC a few weeks ago and every site I came across told me not to build one instead of buying one from a vendor. The consensus is that companies like Alienware gouge on price and include components with high numbers instead of good components. The prices were also higher than console prices. Most of those machines also ran Windows 8 (yuck) You can hardly go into a best buy and purchase good gaming pc either.

Re:What's the point of buying a Sony PC? (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303867)

If PlayStation 4 is moving to a PC architecture, then what's the point of buying a PlayStation 4 over a home theater PC running a less-closed operating system such as Windows 8 or GNU/Linux?

Maybe because you want to play PS4 games? Apple moved to a PC architecture and people still purchase their products instead of a home theater PC or Windows 8 or GNU/Linux. Probably because they want to run OS X.

By the way, exactly how is running Windows 8 any less closed than running a Playstation?

Article link? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302651)

Please post the article link other nobody can RTFA.

The article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302671)

"From the article" - what article?

Analog face buttons? (1)

KatchooNJ (173554) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302693)

Yeah, I guess you can call them seldom used... I never even knew the PS3 had controllers with those buttons. My PS3 controllers never had them.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302751)

Games like Metal Gear Solid, you could vary the force on them, it was decent but under used.

Re:Analog face buttons? (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302763)

WTF controllers did you buy?

DualShock 2 & 3 had them. They let games tell whether you smashed the button & released it quickly, or gently pressed it and gently eased up.

Only games I can recall using them on either system were entries in the Metal Gear Solid series. Control scheme for MGS2, for instance, will have to be modified if it's re-released on the PS4.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302889)

Hmm, I don't think they did that, I think they only measured preasure (the conductive pad under the buttons has a rounded shape, the harder the button is pressed, the bigger the contact surface becomes.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303177)

you're correct, but so is GP. the dual shock 3 can do the things in GP's post because of the pressure sensitivity you mentioned.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303241)

Yes it was great for feathering the gas in Gran Tourism games. I also believe some FPSs used this as a pre trigger pull so you could load the trigger and then pull the trigger.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303789)

And by detecting pressure you can infer what he wrote (gently pressed, quickly released, etc.). Imagine a time-domain graph of the pressure. Imagine the derivative. Are you that dense?

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303187)

Gran Turismo 3 used them extensively... Moved to a PC in 2004ish, do they not still do this on PS?

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302779)

Interesting that you own the only PS3 in the world without a controller with analog face buttons.

Re:Analog face buttons? (4, Informative)

Tmann72 (2473512) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302793)

Yeah, you do. It's the four face buttons with the X, O, Triangle, and Square. They had analogue capability in that they could detect how soft or hard you pressed them. This was used more in the ps2 days, but has fallen out of use since it rarely made things better.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302859)

The D-pad and L1/L2/R1/R2 as well...

Re:Analog face buttons? (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302963)

I think they'd be better off adjusting the shape a bit to make the sticks more comfortable. They only seem to be comfortable for me if I stick my elbows out ... they're way too low. They should just bite the bullet and move a bit closer to the XBox controller shape.

Re:Analog face buttons? (1)

KatchooNJ (173554) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303413)

Interesting. I guess I never realized that the PS3 controllers had this capability because I never played anything that apparently used this and also because there was no indication on the controller that they had analog button functions. I remember the old conrollers had that button that actually said, "ANALOG" on it, so there was no mistaking there.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302805)

The PS2 had analog face buttons too. But very few games used them at all, and practically no game made practical use of them

Re:Analog face buttons? (1)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303143)

Racing games did though.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303605)

I think the Gran Tourismo games were the only ones I've ever played that used this functionality.

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302809)

All PS2 and PS3 controls have them. However they are rarely used (the only games I know are MGS2 and Wipeout Fusion).

Re:Analog face buttons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302811)

I assumed they were referring to the L3/R3 buttons (the analog sticks), but the linked Wikipedia article mentions those buttons being on the DS4 as well.

Yay!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43302717)

All that massive power so we can play CoD 27, Crysis 20, wth ultra photorrealistic graphics, 200-people multiplayer, but the same old tired gameplay.

Amazing!!

The missing article... (4, Informative)

boarder8925 (714555) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302741)

I think this [arstechnica.com] is the article in question.

Anyone ever use (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302743)

the analog face buttons? I gave up pretty quick on them after using them to play Mad Maestro on the PS2. Didn't even realize they were still in the PS3. I do wish Sony would stop adding pointless features to their game pads. It's not so much that the features bug me as I'd rather they spend time/money somewhere else. Plus it'd be nice if the gamepads weren't $60 bucks. On the plus side the PS4's gamepad looks cheap to produce.

Re:Anyone ever use (4, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302901)

the analog face buttons? I gave up pretty quick on them after using them to play Mad Maestro on the PS2. Didn't even realize they were still in the PS3. I do wish Sony would stop adding pointless features to their game pads. It's not so much that the features bug me as I'd rather they spend time/money somewhere else. Plus it'd be nice if the gamepads weren't $60 bucks. On the plus side the PS4's gamepad looks cheap to produce.

I think the useless touchpad will drive up the price.

Re:Anyone ever use (1)

Lussarn (105276) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303107)

Re:Anyone ever use (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303427)

I'll get right on buying a shock wireless controller for Ps3.

Right on it...

Shock...

Re:Anyone ever use (1)

0racle (667029) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303221)

stop adding pointless features to their game pads

I like Gran Turismo with speeds between stop and full throttle.

As long as they don't mention Linux support. (1)

BluPhenix316 (2656403) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302845)

I don't think, we will be duped again.

If you want Linux, get Ouya (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about a year and a half ago | (#43302933)

Fortunately, for people who want a Linux box and a game console in one package, Ouya comes out this June. I have no need for Sony.

Re:If you want Linux, get Ouya (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303321)

Exactly, I'm done with the 'Big Boy's', and my bro is done with Xbox. Ouya and Indie all the way for me!. They can shove their $70 games and $600 Consoles up their rectums.

... the first time... (1)

rickb928 (945187) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303209)

I'm mildly interested in PS4.

/>rant/
                I'm more interested in why this shows up in my feed twice. Like you think I didn't hear you the first time, you have to repeat yourself?
                Or is /. pimping pageviews for gain, or just not paying attention in the subQ? What, repeating yourself is going to improve the story?
                Go ahead, tell me me it's my feed reader. Happening on three different readers on both Windows and Android. The problem is not on my end.
                We can sit through the lame griefers, but mirroring posts is within the power to control. Do.

/rant/

LOL. Does anyone even care any more? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303359)

Consoles are totally dead, as far as I am concerned.

Decreased? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303393)

reduced dead zone

I have a PC driver for my ps3 controller where you can alter quite a few different settings on it, analog stick dead zone is one of them.
I often find myself turning that towards the higher end, too low and it causes more frustration than it's worth.

GPU already years out of date (3, Interesting)

InsaneLampshade (890845) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303407)

1.8 teraflops, 800MHz clock speed... so they're aiming for a GPU with roughly the same power of something nVidia released in 2010?

Not to mention only 8GB RAM shared between GPU & CPU, I'm sure that'll last us for years to come!

Re:GPU already years out of date (3, Insightful)

Voyager529 (1363959) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303669)

1.8 teraflops, 800MHz clock speed... so they're aiming for a GPU with roughly the same power of something nVidia released in 2010?

Not to mention only 8GB RAM shared between GPU & CPU, I'm sure that'll last us for years to come!

Two pieces of fairness here...

1.) the PS3 had 256MBytes of RAM on its release.
2.) like every other console, it can get away with having lower specs than a general purpose PC - it doesn't have to run an operating system in the same sense that a desktop does; in broad terms it's closer to ESXi and its requirements than Win7/OSX/Ubuntu in its, so far more of that RAM can go to the game itself.

Bonus: Even if we postulate that the OS takes a gig of RAM itself, 7GB is roughly 1/3 of a single layer Blu-Ray disc. I know that HD textures can eat up graphics RAM pretty quickly, but is it really limiting to have 1/3 of a game in RAM at a time? Let's face it, console game creation has always involved working within some incredibly tight limits...even Crysis 3 doesn't require that amount of RAM to play. If 7GB of RAM and streaming the rest from an internal hard disk is a constraint, then I'd be forced to assume that the people writing games cut their teeth on ActiveX controls...

Re:GPU already years out of date (2)

InsaneLampshade (890845) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303799)

Skyrim can easily reach 4GB RAM on PC with the better textures they released for the PC version. That came out in what 2011? I'm sure over the course of the next few years we'll be at a point where higher quality textures in games push RAM usage well beyond 8GB.

Re:GPU already years out of date (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43304173)

Skyrim barely uses 1gig of VRAM in the vanilla PC version.... what are you smoking? Texture resolution in Skyrim PC and Skyrim consols are THE SAME! With the modded texture packs available off the internet, THEN you have Skyrim utilizing more than 2gigs of VRAM...

PS3 and Xbox 360 were the first consoles to utilize multi-thread CPUs... developers have grown more akin to this model and I'm glad to see PS4 still use a multi-core chip, but one that's faster and has more RAM.

This will allow for true 1080p gameplay, something the PS3 and 360 barely pull off.

Re:GPU already years out of date (1)

n30na (1525807) | about a year and a half ago | (#43304019)

As someone who has 16gb of RAM in their pc, I'll say that games rarely use more than 1gb, and only see them use 2gb on very rare occasions. Some of this is likely due to things being held back by the current console generation, but I definitely think that it won't be the kind of limiting factor is has been for developers this generation. Sure, we'll hit it eventually, we always do, but to be honest I don't see it being a big deal.
As for gpu power.. I agree that it's a little skimpy, but it's because they have to save money somewhere, and to be honest I think that the "average" console player is starting to not care about graphics as much, as things get closer to the "good enough" range for most people. Not to mention that console games tend to run a bit closer to the metal, coupled with being specifically targeted/optimized for the platform generally gets a solid amount more performance compared to how similar hardware on a pc. Obviously PCs will still have better graphics at the mid-high end, but that's just how this always is :)

Social features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43303481)

Why does this crap has to be integrated into everything? TV, phones, tablets and now game consoles.

Can somebody tell me when this "social media" hype is over? it's like having a really long migraine attack, and everytime I see or read something about Facebook, Google+ etc. it makes me throw up a little in my mouth.

Re:Social features (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43304161)

I guess as soon as humans stop being social creatures, you'll get your wish. In the meantime, thanks for whining about it to this social community! We appreciate irony.

does it run Linux (1)

iplayfast (166447) | about a year and a half ago | (#43303947)

You know like the PS3 used to?

Re:does it run Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43304055)

Even if it does, it will be removed again later...

Poised to be a cash cow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43304077)

PS4... requires always on internet connection, monthly subscription fee, and still charge $60 for new games, and will, eventually, require reactivation (via small fee) to play used games...

Seems like SOny is catching up to MS.

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