Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Radio Shack TRS-80 Vs. Commodore 64: Battle of the Titans

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the winners-and-losers dept.

Technology 135

Nerval's Lobster writes "The one and only Jeff Cogswell is back with a new article comparing the two biggest competitors in the home-computing business: the Commodore 64 and the Radio Shack TRS-80. What does he have to say about these absolutely cutting-edge machines? The TRS-80 simply can't stand up to the awe-inspiring Commodore 64, which features the latest processor from MOS Technology, the 6510. Best of all, the C-64s graphics processor can display up to 16 colors simultaneously, and it can create a full screen made up of 320 x 200 'dots.' But the TRS-80 has some good points, as well, including a whopping 512 K of memory (not that you'll ever use that much, anyway). As Cogswell writes: 'Let's cover these two bad boys and provide a totally unbiased review unencumbered by any alleged kickbacks (including a brand new daisy wheel printer and a case of Schiltz Beer) from Commodore, the maker of the awesome machine known as the Commodore 64.'"

cancel ×

135 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

1st post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331313)

1st post!

Re:1st post! (1)

ThurstonMoore (605470) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332253)

Fuck u Slashdot and April fools day.

TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331341)

I've got (well, my dad's got, in the garage) a TRS-80 Model 1 with 4KiloBytes of RAM and Level 1 BASIC built in! It rocks! (truly!) It was the first machine I was allowed to play with as a kid.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (3, Informative)

sheehaje (240093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331397)

I wanted an Atari - my father got me a CoCo 1 with 16KB of memory... I was so mad - how was I going to play missile command on this!

Anyways, what a great starting machine for the day. It forced me to program, as I didn't have the recorder to save my work or load other peoples programs. A little later on, as I moved up in models, I was introduced to OS-9 and one of its programming languages Basic09. There was some jealousy over some of my friends with C64 - they had a way better game catalog. In the end though, the CoCo I think fostered a better learning experience, at least for myself. Plus Dungeons of Daggorath still has to be one of the best games I ever played back then... I even ran my first BBS off a CoCo. When I did finally get my first IBM compatible (another Tandy) - I was a little dismayed at the assembly language being "broken" and how hard it was to multi-task with MS-DOS (unless something like deskview was installed, and that was unstable at best)...

I still have a CoCo 3 laying around... I should replace my wifes computer with it as an April Fool.....
 

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331599)

"anyways"

What are you, a 14 year old girl?

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

TheTerseOne (2447418) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332669)

"anyways"

What are you, a 14 year old girl?

THIS is why the ROT13 initiative is a good idea.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (5, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331611)

I used to upset my C64 friends... The CoCo's casette deck would load a program FASTER than the C64 Floppy drive. C64 was cool, but the CoCo was the real hackers computer. I had 4 banks of ram that I could easy switch to, and with the completely exposed Address and data bus it was brain dead easy to interface the computer to things in the world. I had built a XY plotter that interfaced to the cartridge bus and even built my own eeprom cartridge that would take advantage of the paged ram I added.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331691)

True, the 1541 was awfully slow, even for its time. The fastest floppy I had at the time was the one hooked up to my Apple ][e. with two drives, diskmuncher would copy a floppy in 11 seconds, vs *way* longer using fasthack'em on the 64

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (2)

rbrander (73222) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332353)

The 1541 was a *serial* communicator, which kind of wasted the possible data-transfer rates off a floppy disk itself.

I recall a review of the C64 as a machine for your kid, which offered in the unkind review comment: "For both game-playing and educational software, the slow floppy disk may test the patience of most children. In fact, it would be possible for some smaller children to actually grow up while waiting for their game to start".

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Nimey (114278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332681)

The 1541's port was deliberately crippled by inserting wait states, so that it would be compatible with older-model Commodores like IIRC the PET and VIC-20.

There was a ROM cartridge you could get that'd speed the things up where they ought to be on a C=64.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Teckla (630646) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332293)

I used to upset my C64 friends... The CoCo's casette deck would load a program FASTER than the C64 Floppy drive. C64 was cool, but the CoCo was the real hackers computer.

I had both a CoCo and C64 (not at the same time) and found the C64 superior in every way, except for the CPU (the CoCo's 6809 was better than the C64's 6510).

The C64 had superior graphics, superior sound, more interrupt options (so you could have, e.g., a graphics mode terminal emulator with reasonable performance, since the CoCo had to poll for data, while the C64 waited on an interrupt), etc.

I would say the C64 was -- by far -- a better hacker's PC than the CoCo. It was a lot cheaper, too.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

zugmeister (1050414) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332515)

If you set the volume just right, and were really fast with the play/record controls you could make it save your code to a regular tape drive. Just don't get your counter values messed up!
I always wanted one of those drives to auto start / stop but somehow Dad never found that to be a priority.
Sheesh, back in those days gosub / return was hot stuff. Good times.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332467)

but there WAS missile command for the coco.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332479)

The coco was the first multitasking home computer. but you had to add the disk drives (2) and run OS9 :)

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331429)

The TRS-80 wasn't even really a competitor for the C64. It was competing more with the Commodore PET and Apple II. By the time the C64 came around, the CoCo was the relevant home computer from Radioshack. And in the later parts of the C64's lifetime the Tandy 1000.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331469)

Oh, I didn't RTFA. The TRS-80 referred to in the summary is the TRS-80 CoCo.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (2)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331457)

Timex-Sinclair baby!

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Sulphur (1548251) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331631)

Timex-Sinclair baby!

Especially with the hard disk.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331725)

No sir. Cassette all the way.

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331851)

He's referring to a Byte Magazine "Coming Soon" from the April issue, back when 64Kx1 DRAMs cost ~$100 apiece. The blurb was about a hard disk for your Sinclair, no operating system available as yet. There was also a knife sharpener that mounted on the side of your 128K Macintosh, so you could "Knife the Mac".

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331513)

Anyone remember the Atari program, To Kill a Commodore [atari8.info] ?

Re:TRS-80 all the way, baby! (1)

StormReaver (59959) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332053)

As is usually the case, both the C64 and the CoCo had their strengths and weaknesses. I was envious of my C64-owning friends' game catalog and sprite hardware, and they were envious of the my CoCo 3's cassette and disk drive speed, and its multi-tasking abilities (which far, far exceeded those of the C64 and the IBM clones of the time). OS/9 Level 2 was really the best reason for owning a CoCo.

And the 6809 was the most pleasurable CPU I've ever programmed, especially for its addressing modes, though I think the 6502 had some (it not many) of the same great instructions.

inc [,x++] was one of my favorite instructions. When I eventually had to move to Intel, I was shocked to see how primitive its assembly language was. The Intel equivalent is something like:

(assume some address is in the bx register)

mov ax,[bx]
add ax,1
mov [bx],ax
add bx,2

(correct me if I'm wrong. It has been many years since I did assembly language.)

For game playing, the C64 won by a large margin. For productivity, the CoCo 3 had a big advantage.

This is as funny as anal warts (-1, Troll)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331347)

Fifteen fucking years and Slashdot still doesn't get how April Fools works: ONE joke, buried, subtle and polished so it looks real [youtube.com] . Fuckwits.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (2)

Doug Otto (2821601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331355)

Sorry to hear about your warts.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (4, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331385)

For all you know he may find anal warts hilarious and is enjoying April Fools Slashdot.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331377)

Agreed. Slashdot is completely useless on April 1. One joke is ok. All jokes is not funny.

Does someone actually llike the April 1 Slashdot shutdown?

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (2)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331489)

Slashdot is completely useless the rest of the year too.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331783)

That was my thought. Considering how few people even read the TFS these days, I'm guessing this could be an improvement over the usual griping about the grammar and spelling errors that the "editors" left in.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331391)

The word "subtle" fell by the wayside with "satire" due to the high volume of morons who will believe anything.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

91degrees (207121) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331401)

Trying way too hard on April Fools day has become something of a Slashdot tradition now. I think I'd actually miss it if they stopped doing it.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

Hatta (162192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331533)

The best was the one year when the joke was that there was no joke.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331543)

I certainly would miss the opportunity to make whiny, karma whoring complaints about Slashdot's April Fools jokes. Mods are complete idiots when it comes to these kinds of comments. It's ridiculously easy to get +5 Insightfuls whenever you pretend to "go against the herd", or stand up to the "echo chamber", or point out instances of "group think". It's all mushy Randian pablum, and the mods eat it with a spoon.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331993)

I certainly would miss the opportunity to make whiny, karma whoring complaints about Slashdot's April Fools jokes. Mods are complete idiots when it comes to these kinds of comments. It's ridiculously easy to get +5 Insightfuls whenever you pretend to "go against the herd", or stand up to the "echo chamber", or point out instances of "group think". It's all mushy Randian pablum, and the mods eat it with a spoon.

+1

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

tmlwoodson (1572443) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331475)

April fools - it's a joke, let it go.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331735)

if you hate it so much why have you been here for 15 years?! go back to posting your witty banter on youtube bieber videos,...

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

swb (14022) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331753)

But how will the "editors" account for the 80% lost productivity last week not to mention the "team dinners" they ran tabs on?

It was all to plan the "massively funny" April 1st edition and EVERYBODY got to get their item in since they couldn't decide whose was best.

Re:This is as funny as anal warts (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332003)

I agree that this is not funny but why the fuck did you link to an old hoax that was a joke that only seriously retarded people took seriously?

Missing Option (5, Interesting)

Unloaded (716598) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331363)

Once again the TI 99/4a gets left out. Anybody want a Jello Pudding Pop?

Re:Missing Option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331411)

I had a TI 99/4a, and it was basically useless. You had to buy a special cartridge to do any real programming. I switched to a C64 and never looked back. POKE, PEEK, and SYS got you everything you needed.

Re:Missing Option (1)

Lumpy (12016) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331625)

Only for the n00bs. I was programming a base 99/4a in assembler, what was your excuse?

Re:Missing Option (1)

Hugh Redelmeier (594404) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331963)

Only for the n00bs. I was programming a base 99/4a in assembler, what was your excuse?

I didn't know you could program the 99/4a in assembler. I seem to remember that TI tried to keep the machine locked down. The underlying CPU architecture was pretty good -- 16 bit instruction set (from TI 9900 minicomputer family) so probably better than the CoCo's 6809, which in turn was the most powerful 8-bit architecture.

What I underestimated was how effectively assembler programmers could overcome the limited 6502, 6800, and Z80 instruction sets. As a compiler writer, I didn't want to touch them.

Re:Missing Option (1)

3dr (169908) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332167)

I forget which software exposed their assembly environment, but it was the third language I used on the 99/4a. First was Logo, second was their Basic & Extended Basic, and third was assembler. The poster a few parents up from here may not have known that TI's extended basic included poke, peek like other systems. TI's built-in Basic did not have those calls.

How many of you 99/4a owners had the disk drive (180KB single-sided awesomeness) AND learned to punch holes in floppy sleeves to use the other side?

Re:Missing Option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331765)

That was my first. I saved my money and bought a TI 99/4a from Wal-Mart when I was 13. Hours and hours of my childhood were occupied with this computer. I think it had 16k of memory and I saved my programs on a cassette tape. I could not afford the huge external drive but I REALLY wanted one. I wrote a combo text/graphic based space game with random enemy ships and multiple weapons. Also, a D&D character generator and dice program. Also, a breeding database for chickens!

Re:Missing Option (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332131)

Agreed!!

Re:Missing Option (1)

antdude (79039) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332725)

"Hey, hey, hey. It's Fat Albert! ..."

Hah! (5, Funny)

operagost (62405) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331369)

And to think all my friends and family said that conversational Klingon course I took was a colossal wast of time!

submit to the trollfiesta... (0)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331379)

It's incontrovertible : Isaac Asimov >> William Shatner

Although my tribe's spokesman is Alan Alda. And I think everyone is in accord that Bill Cosby just doesn't have games.

Re:submit to the trollfiesta... (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331675)

Redirecting Isaac Asimov's output onto William Shatner is just rude.

Re:submit to the trollfiesta... (1)

hedwards (940851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331803)

I know, at least have him buy Shatner dinner first...

Re:submit to the trollfiesta... (2)

Weaselmancer (533834) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332347)

A... robot. May not... InjureA human BEING or... through inaction, ALLOW a... human being to.. ComeToHarm. Mister.

Re:submit to the trollfiesta... (1)

chromas (1085949) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332219)

Parent is actually on-topic. Each celebrity represents a computer (ad):

  • Asimov—Radio Shat
  • Shatner—Commodore
  • Alda—Atari
  • Cosby—Ti

Ehhhh... (1)

Jintsui (2759005) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331413)

The program in the article will cause a nasty loop...

Re:Ehhhh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331719)

New here? No worries, here's how it's done

1) remember to NOT read the article
2) if you're not on the payroll of microsoft OR apple
3) make a semi-random comment which completely misses the point (if any) made in the summary
4) ???
5) profit

Re:Ehhhh... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332039)

well reading the article is a total waste since the writer starts off ok and then just drifts into non technical nonsense and doesn't do a very good comparison of the two computers at all.

you know what's really funny? there's two comment threads on the story both on slashdot.org. on the original "topic" story and then this one. slashdot is sure ran by people who are at times really retarded.

Childhood memories...The C64 (5, Interesting)

lazycam (1007621) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331415)

My mother and father were programmers, so they came up with many creative uses of the C64. In his free time, my father would program math-based games to teach us multiplication tables and would allow us to play chess. Mom was the only one to get copies of games for us to play. In general, I have many warm memories of sitting in front of the tv playing games on the ol' C64 with my siblings. I also remember solving boring math problems. In all, I played plenty of games and excelled in math enough to obtain a PhD. I have admit the C64 played a big part in that. I know nothing about TRS-80, but I'm sure my childhood would have played out the same way. As a professional, I understand the technical differences between the hardware, but still...

Okay, enough (1, Insightful)

Zedrick (764028) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331417)

A few of the April 1st-jokes on slashdot has been kind of half-amusing. But this? What kind of audience is it written for? It is written by somebody who obviously doesn't have any interest in computers, and doesn't care about computers other than as tools. I know there are plenty of people like that out in the real world, but on slashdot?

"Huh huh computers were so primitive in the 80's and now we have faster computars that are better so old computers are funny, huh huh"

A joke like this would perhaps make sense in some fashion magazine, but not on Slashdot.

Re:Okay, enough (2)

nightfury (2826503) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331723)

I took it as a nostalgia piece, and actually found it to be a welcome relief from all of the other April Fools things.

Re:Okay, enough (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332075)

I took it as a nostalgia piece, and actually found it to be a welcome relief from all of the other April Fools things.

did you actually read it? I took it as such as well first and went on to read it. it degenerates to "we were bribed with free beer" joking halfway through.. just when it would need to start to get technical to have nerd nostalgia value. it's a lazy ass piece of shit turd piece of writing that's a waste of time even more than this comment.

Eh.... msx? (1)

santax (1541065) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331423)

If you say the two biggest home computers without naming the MSX you really have no clue what you are talking about. Either you haven't actually been part of the 80's or you well, you weren't exactly informed... For both there is no excuse since all this stuff can be googled now. There are 2 big home computers MSX and Commodore. Commodore had nicer sound out of the box. MSX had nicer, well, everything and with a fm-pac or/and scc, even better sound.

Re:Eh.... msx? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331539)

Dude.. MSX came almost 5 years later, mostly by manufacturors who realized they already missed the boat. Commodore was king - with the Vic20, the C64 and later the Amiga. Competition came from the british Sinclair, Tandy, Philips, the BBC, Acorn, Atari, and a few more.

When MSX finally came to market, most of those hobby computer users were already making the switch to the slowly-getting-affordable IBM clone pc's. MSX was outdated at the time it was released. It was also not as standard as it suggested it was. And was way outperformed on graphics and audio by the Amiga before MSX ever got popular.

Get your facts - MSX has never a competitor of the C64.

Re:Eh.... msx? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332129)

sure, and we got a 8086 two years after 386 had been introduced. funny world eh?
msx was still hugely popular. much more so than trs-80 and competed on the from mid 80's to late 80's market directly with c64. it's not like they stopped selling c64's when they introduced amiga - back then there was huge overlap in computer generations that lasted for years.

Re:Eh.... msx? (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332481)

msx was still hugely popular. much more so than trs-80 and competed on the from mid 80's to late 80's market directly with c64.

That's *very* much dependent on where you lived.

MSX may have been a success in Japan- which is apparently where the concept was invented, and a lot of whose manufacturers were involved. And it also enjoyed success in certain European countries (but nothing like all of them) and elsewhere.

But in the major North American market- probably a far more disproportionate percentage of the world total than it is today- it went absolutely nowhere against the established C64. Similar in the UK where the ZX Spectrum was the undisputed leader of the pack with the C64 in strong second place; MSX was generally behind even the lesser-supported formats here (e.g. the BBC Micro, Atari 800, Commodore 16), I was barely aware of it at all- think I saw an MSX game for sale *once*(!)

Re:Eh.... msx? (1)

Miamicanes (730264) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332673)

Did MSX even *exist* as a computer you could buy at any halfway normal retail store in the US, as opposed to importing one from Japan & paying more than you'd have spent to buy an Amiga 500?

The only remotely interesting exotic (by US standards) computer I remember from that era was the Sinclair QL.

Re:Eh.... msx? (1)

dietdew7 (1171613) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332491)

I've never heard of the MSX. It wasn't popular in the US.

Damnit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331435)

I can't login since I am using someone else's computer right now. Guess no slashdot today.

A c64 never impressed me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331443)

They were nice, flashy, and colorful... but I was never that impressed by it. The only two computers that I ever actually had any nerdlust for back then were the trs-80 model 1, and a few years later, the Apple 2e.

I couldn't convince my parents to get either of them for me, however.

juvarl-nff fynfubg pbzcynvaref (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331449)

Shpx bss naq cbfg lbhe xnezn-jubevat qeviry fbzrjurer ryfr. Gur bayl guvat jbefr guna n unezyrff Fynfuqbg Ncevy Sbbyf wbxr ner gur pelonovrf zrjyvat bire ubj bssraqrq gurl ner ol vg. Nf pregnva shpxgneqf ner dhvpx gb fnl, lbh qba'g unir gur evtug gb or abg bssraqrq, fb tb trg lbhe juvarl-nff fryirf onpx gb qbvat gur jbex gung lbhe trggvat cnvq gb qb, lbh ynml zbsb'f.

dots? really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331459)

They have been called pixels since the fucking 60s, and every reference book on C64 graphics called them pixels.

I like the encryption.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331477)

It makes not reading the articles even more legitimate.

Re:I like the encryption.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332365)

It makes not reading the articles even more legitimate.

But now, you don't even need to read the summary!

I would like to see an actual review. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331485)

"Fake" doesn't automatically equal "Funny".

Am I the only one who would like to see a real review?

I get the joke "hur dur, let's pretend we're reviewing some really old computers", but I would genuinely like to see benchmarks and stuff.

It would also be funnier to compare the c64 to the WiiU, complete with benchmarks.

Article (1)

Citizen of Earth (569446) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331499)

Nerval's Lobster writes "The one and only Jeff Cogswell is back with a new article comparing the two biggest competitors in the home-computing business: the Commodore 64 and the Radio Shack TRS-80. What does he have to say about these absolutely cutting-edge machines? The TRS-80 simply can't stand up to the awe-inspiring Commodore 64, which features the latest processor from MOS Technology, the 6510. Best of all, the C-64s graphics processor can display up to 16 colors simultaneously, and it can create a full screen made up of 320 x 200 'dots.' But the TRS-80 has some good points, as well, including a whopping 512 K of memory (not that you'll ever use that much, anyway). As Cogswell writes: 'Let's cover these two bad boys and provide a totally unbiased review unencumbered by any alleged kickbacks (including a brand new daisy wheel printer and a case of Schiltz Beer) from Commodore, the maker of the awesome machine known as the Commodore 64.'"

Wasted day (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331501)

It looks like every single article posted today is going to be an April Fool's joke. I can see doing it a couple of times, but every time. C'mon! I like these articles. :-(

What a bunch of idiots (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331503)

You stupid slashfaggots have made your site unusuable today. Your Rot13 dumbassery isn' creative or funny. It's just stupid clickbait.

Love the 64, but TRS-80 has a place in my heart (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331515)

I've got my TRS-80 on my desk. Yeah, the C64 has better graphics, but I learned BASIC on this puppy...

http://perfectreign.com/stuff/trs80_level1_4kb-sm.jpg

Re:Love the 64, but TRS-80 has a place in my heart (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331983)

But which TRS-80? The I, II, III, IV, 12, 16 Or Coco?

Just Stop! (0)

Githaron (2462596) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331521)

The first one was OK. The second was annoying. All the others were frustrating. Just stop! We don't need a dozen April Fool's feeds.

Re:Just Stop! (1)

commodore73 (967172) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332507)

It will be even less funny when someone reads their headlines tomorrow.

how much a collectors item? (1)

k6mfw (1182893) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331555)

last month at a flea market someone had a Commodore 64 for sale about $25. He also had a couple Apple ][ (about $100 each). I was very tempted, something interesting for a shrine of sorts. I didn't purchase as I got enough stuff as it is. Just wondering.

Re:how much a collectors item? (1)

Webcommando (755831) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331777)

I was very tempted, something interesting for a shrine of sorts.

I've been collecting interesting 8-bit waste computers and historic machines for a long time. I give them a home before someone throws them out (no need to buy) and think someday it will be cool to look back at them. I actually have had a chance to bring a bunch of my dinosaurs and discuss the history of computing with my daughter's tech club at school. This included a demonstration of an ENIAC simulator too!!

Many of these machines are in original boxes. As I was a Commodore guy in the past I have C64, C128, Plus4, Vic20, Amiga 500 and 2000. Also have the great pleasure of having Apple Mac 512, variety of Apple IIe's with accessories, and Apple IIgs. I have a few miscellaneous including an Atari 400, 800XL, and have a 3rd revision CoCo. My crown of the collection is an Osborne Executive...not too many of those laying around.

The only disappointment is the lack of time to fire them up and make sure everything keeps working. I'm sure the capacitors, floppies disks, and TV modulators/monitors will all be flaky if I ever get a chance to start actually playing with them.

C64 still works (2)

chelip (890174) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331571)

Got a Commodore 64 in 1985 and it still works. Amazing how things made back then were made to last

Re:C64 still works (1)

jdigriz (676802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331789)

Heh, lucky you. I bought a c64 a couple years earlier and only the third one lasted more than a couple of weeks. The other 2 had to be returned for a blown power supply and a defective keyboard.

Now admittedly that last one lasted at least 12 years or so. For all I know it may still work, but I had to get rid of it.

Re:C64 still works (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332173)

You should read up on Survivor Bias [wikipedia.org] .

Re:C64 still works -- so do my Color Computers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332617)

And I have several Tandy Color Computers 1, 2 and 3 that all still work as well. Also there is vcc a very good emulator and to top it off, there is a company that still sells new hardware for the Coco --- Cloud 8 Tech [cloud9tech.com]

C64 (1)

Enry (630) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331619)

The C64 has the edge. I seem to remember a certain former /. contributor who told the story of Afghanis getting their C64s out of hiding after the US invasion, connecting them to the Internet, and watching movies.

Couldn't do that with a Trash-80.

Re:watching movies (1)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332025)

Are you serious? I have a very hard time believing anyone could watch a movie on a C64. It was amazing just to have an 8 second audio clip play on those things like "last V-8, return to base immediately!" [gamefaqs.com]

Re:watching movies (1)

Enry (630) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332183)

I'm serious that this was reported here. I'm also serious that not a single person here believed it.

Ah, found it:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/01/11/17/204207/message-from-kabul [slashdot.org]

Re:watching movies (1)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332239)

Awesome. Thanks for the link to what I'm sure will be an entertaining read!

Re:watching movies (1)

DocSavage64109 (799754) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332485)

The original summary doesn't specify what model of Commodore it is. According to this post [slashdot.org] , there were IBM compatible Commodores sold up through the Pentium (Not sure which Pentium) era in Europe, so it is at least theoretically possible to watch movies in low quality on such machines.

ROT-13 encoding keeps getting more funny! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331847)

Please continue the ROT-13 coding. I find it more amusing the more pages I go to throughout the day.

Getting a huge kick out of it.

  - K

Re:ROT-13 encoding keeps getting more funny! (1)

T.E.D. (34228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332105)

So you AC's don't like getting repeatedly trolled by Slashdot?

The irony in this is so delicous, I don't even need the popcorn. Please, rage on AC's.

BASIC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331901)

Ugh... it's been a long time since I've used BASIC... but I still remember that string vars have dollar signs appended to them.

The next squabble (1)

ananamouse (943446) | about a year and a half ago | (#43331911)

Next lest squabble about whether Hollerith is better than ebcdic.
.

Re:The next squabble (1)

Hugh Redelmeier (594404) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332027)

Next lest squabble about whether Hollerith is better than ebcdic. .

I don't get that. Hollerith is the coding on the punch card, EBCDIC is the coding in the /360. They don't compete.

Paper tape vs. punch cards, now there's an interesting culture clash. Or Williams Tubes vs. delay lines.

Re:The next squabble (1)

ananamouse (943446) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332453)

In the mid 70's someone gave me a stack of punched cards that were a fortran version of the text based Startrek game. I loaded it onto the what ever I had an account on, probably a 360/370 system, and got something less intellegable than ROT13. The swami of the department told me I needed a Hollerith to EBCDIC converter. Somehow I got a hard copy listing of the thing.

The math department had a "calculator" made by HP that had a 32 char led dot matrix display, a casette storage and 8k ram that had been hopped up to 16k. Also, there was an attached typewriter that was fed fanfold greenbar. It was a typewriter that whopped one key at a time and every so often the ribbon had to be replaced. While it was on the books as a "calculator" it spoke basic and they left it unlocked at night. After a while we had it killing klingons and I had figured out how to program.

I still have the deck of cards somewhere. I suppose I could load it 50 cards at a time with the Fujitsy scansnap. Also, I have some old DEC system stuff on paper tape. Maybe I should feed that to the Neat scanner...

Bitter and angry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43331951)

I was a bitter and angry Apple ][+ user, who kept seeing all these upstarts interfering with the Apple's true position as leader of the 6502 pack.

Fri57 psot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332323)

Kreskin problem; a few my calling. Now I OUTER SPACE THE NIIGER community in posting a GNAA to fight what has coming a piss do and doing what

Jurer'f gur Nccyr Ybir? (1)

sl3xd (111641) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332383)

Lrg gurer'f ab zragvba bs gur pbzchgre V phg zl grrgu jvgu: Gur Nccyr ][ naq
pybarf.

V unir sbaq zrzbevrf bs sylvat zl svefg syvtug fvzhyngbe, cynlvat Jbysrafgrva sbe gur svefg gvzr, naq yrneavat gb cebtenz -- nyy ba na Nccyr ][ Pybar.

Va snpg, V cynlrq frireny syvtug fvzhyngbef ba zl Nccyr ][ pybar - sebz Zvpebfbsg Syvtug Fvzhyngbe gb Puhpx Lrntre'f Nqinaprq Syvtug Genvare.

Nalbar erzrzore Oebqreohaq'f "Gur Cevag Fubc" jurer lbh pbhyq cevag pneqf, onaaref, naq cbfgref sbe gur svefg gvzr? Ubzrpbzvatf unir arire orra gur fnzr jvgubhg n qbg-zngevk cresbengrq onaare.

Fbeel, ohg V'yy gnxr uneqjner ol gur Jbm nal qnl.

Apple ][ ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43332537)

If you were anyone, you had an Apple ][+ or an Apple //e with dual disk drives and a modem, hanging out at the Midwest Pirate's Guild. All the Atari 400/800, Commodore 64 and Trash-80 users were wannabes.

Having worked with both back in their heyday.... (1)

dcigary (221160) | about a year and a half ago | (#43332661)

... (I owned a C=64, worked on a TRS-80 Model III in High School), I have to say that the C=64 blows doors off the TRS-80 Model III. Sorry, but the music chip, color graphics, and all the other misc hacks that were produced for it (ICEPIC, scanning audio files through the tape drive, etc) were fantastic.

I do, however, have a place in my heart for the Model III,. My High School computer lab partner and I wrote a Monopoly game for it, complete with kiosk "graphics" (wrote out "Monopoly" in cursive, plus some other rudimentary graphics), choice of number of players, play the computer, and, of course, a cheat mode where you were presented with a menu of "1) Steal money from bank 2) Steal money from opponent 3) Move houses from your opponent onto your properties 4) Destruct game - (basically swiping the board off the table in a 3am drunken stupor when you're not winning)" and a few others I believe. We displayed 7 spaces at a time - 3 ahead of you and 3 behind, and indicators if you had houses, who owned it, etc. I learned quite a bit about programming from that project!

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>