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Senator Feinstein: We Need Video Game Control

Soulskill posted about a year and a half ago | from the we-need-our-guns-to-have-always-online-DRM dept.

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ducomputergeek writes "Since the assault weapons ban seems to have died in Congress, it looks like Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) now turning her attention to video games...again. '"If Sandy Hook doesn't [make game publishers change] then maybe we have to proceed, but that is in the future," said Feinstein. She went on to claim that video games play "a very negative role for young people, and the industry ought to take note of that."' Yet, as the article points out, since the introduction of games like DOOM, the crime rate in the U.S. has gone down. Dramatically. Correlation != causation, and all that jazz, but there are a lot of violent video games these days and yet crime has continued to go down."

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Feinstein is an idiot. (5, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372487)

News at 11...

I'm surprised... (4, Informative)

Firethorn (177587) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372523)

What's really newsworthy about this? The NRA and Feinstein agreeing on something...

I'm checking the temperature in Hell right now, expecting record lows... /NRA member, wrote to complain to them after their little news release.

Re:I'm surprised... (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372723)

What's really newsworthy about this? The NRA and Feinstein agreeing on something...

Well, Feinstein has figured out banning the guns won't work, and the NRA just want to Blame Someone Else.

I wouldn't go around thinking they've suddenly agreed about something.

Re:I'm surprised... (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372791)

Why? This makes perfect sense.

Feinstein has to be doing something, that is how she will get reelected. The NRA is willing to do anything the gun manufacturers want, that is who they really represent.

Either one will support anything that does not infringe on the groups they actually represent, the rich and the gun manufacturers respectively, the more publicity the better for them.

Evidence : http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/nraindus.htm [vpc.org]

Re: I'm surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43373021)

Feinstein is an institution in CA and will have zero difficulty getting reelected.

Re:I'm surprised... (3, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372997)

The NRA and Feinstein agreeing on something...

Video games don't commit crimes . . . children commit crimes! It's really about high time that we start cracking down on the real problem, children.

. . . or, maybe . . . like, criminals . . . ?

Re:I'm surprised... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43373041)

Isn't it comical how certain unsavory individuals are constantly whining about the second amendment and then openly say that we should violate the first?

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372525)

Thanks California

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372889)

She is. She is a disgrace to the ideals of liberalism.

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (5, Insightful)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372947)

No, she is a disgrace to the ideals of freedom.

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (4, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373065)

She is a disgrace to the ideals of liberalism.

No, she is a disgrace to the ideals of freedom.

False dichotomy. Why can't she be a disgrace to the ideals of both freedom and liberalism?

As a Californian, I am ashamed to have this woman as my senator. She is a supporter of big government, big debts, and social authoritarianism. I don't understand why anyone would vote for her. Even the pathetic candidates nominated by the Republicans would have been an improvement.

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (1)

linebackn (131821) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372733)

> News at 11...

Right after a dozen graphic "news" stories about shootings and other violence just like any other day.

But first the 9 O'clock movie featuring people shooting at each other and getting blown up in various ways with blood and guts everywhere.

Yea, video games are the problem. :P

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (5, Funny)

Feyshtey (1523799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373011)

Hollywood is trying to help put a stop to all the killings. They are speaking out constantly about all those nasty guns. Thankfully their movies glorifying nasty guns and cultures of hate and violence make them wealthy and influential enough to speak out about how bad those things are.

Re:Feinstein is an idiot. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372759)

since when was honesty flamebait?

But has it gone down *enough* (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372489)

I mean, with the certainty that the "leaded gasoline -> crime" study had, it should stand to reason that the only criminals left are ones who play with discarded car batteries or maybe gnaw on certain chinese made baby toys. I think the continued presence of crime can be explained one of two ways (Certainly not both) that there is secretly lead in our water supply, or that violent video games are lead infused.

Science!

Duh. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372491)

There are a lot of violent video games these days and yet crime has continued to go down.

Taking your anger out on pixels on a screen is far easier and cost efficient over running rampant on real people.

Re:Duh. (4, Funny)

hackula (2596247) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372551)

Seriously. If we ban any games, it should be Bejeweled, Angry Birds, or Temple Runner, which have become the crack cocaine of modern society...

Re:Duh. (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372707)

I'm honestly surprised that Angry Birds has avoided controversy.

You control a bunch of birds, who are enraged by something or other, and conduct a series of suicide bombings targeting pigs(of all ages, combatants and noncombatants) and their infrastructure. Unless you succeed in porcine genocide, you lose the level.

I somehow imagine a 1 for 1 sprite swap called "Jihad Jump!" would not be a smash hit to quite the same degree...

Re:Duh. (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372851)

There was also the earlier "Crush the Castle", which was almost the exact same thing in the original permutations of both games. It involved killings knights and such, which would be a bit more controversial. However, I think the real issue was just timing. Angry Birds came out at just the right time for a critical mass of morons who would pay a dollar for a dime a dozen flash game, and because they had one of the most popular games, they got the most notice, and became more popular.

Don't get me wrong, it's a fun waste of time, but they have gone too fucking far with the merchandising and the hype.

Re:Duh. (1)

ThisIsSaei (2397758) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372887)

First, they're enraged over a kidnapping, iirc, of their eggs.

Second, it's because the game is about cartoon animals - there's a lot to be said for evoking social issues, like your jihad example. It wouldn't be a 1 for 1 swap.

Re:Duh. (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372913)

We can't ban...oh wait someone just sent me an extra life in Candy Crush, must try and get to the next level!

Re:Duh. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372555)

There are a lot of violent video games these days and yet crime has continued to go down.

Taking your anger out on pixels on a screen is far easier and cost efficient over running rampant on real people.

Also, anything that keeps early teen through 20something men off the streets in record numbers is practically assured to reduce opportunistic petty violence unless it actively contains subhypnotic kill-programming technology...

Re:Duh. (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372677)

As well as the birthrate...

Re:Duh. (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372747)

Win-win! I wonder if John Carmack knows that he's an amazingly effective social worker?

Re:Duh. (1)

nitehawk214 (222219) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373097)

There are a lot of violent video games these days and yet crime has continued to go down.

Taking your anger out on pixels on a screen is far easier and cost efficient over running rampant on real people.

Also, anything that keeps early teen through 20something men off the streets in record numbers is practically assured to reduce opportunistic petty violence unless it actively contains subhypnotic kill-programming technology...

And these people believe that videogames do contain such technology.

Video games have made us safer (3, Informative)

backslashdot (95548) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372493)

Fact is that video games have made us safer. Population has increased yet the number of psychos per 100 people has decreased. Homicide rates have decreased. The murder rate in the prohibition era (1920s) was 4 times higher than today's rate.

Re:Video games have made us safer (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372621)

Funny - "Fact Is Video Games Made Us Safer - And Screw Any Other Factors". Same sort of reasoning that Feinstein is using.

To Summarize "How About I Just Say Something and It's True?". Since measuring what actually causes crime and then doing something about that is hard. And measuring what caused a decrease in crime is also not very popular.

I think it comes from living in a society where there are thousands of people...people we call lawmakers....who wouldn't have a damn thing to do if they didn't invent something wrong. And hell, if you can't imagine something is wrong, give money and guns to the drug cartels until something IS wrong.

Re:Video games have made us safer (2)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372757)

The fact is that we are safer now, and we have far more violent video games. Whether or not video games have made us safer is a bit harder to prove, but there's decent evidence on that side. The only known link between aggressive and violent behavior and violent video games is that aggressive and violent people often play violent video games. There is at least a decent argument, however, for a cathartic effect of video games, although I can't remember if studies have gone much into that. That leaves the effect of video games one's psychology in the neutral to positive range. Then there's the logistics of it, as has already been mentioned. If you are busy playing video games, you aren't busy committing violent crimes.

Re:Video games have made us safer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372981)

Theory for Sociological research: Guilds are the new gangs, instead of raiding the bodega etc for gimp loot and possibly getting arrested or catching a bullet or both along with a bit of street cred, going to raid boss-mob-xx with the guild and gain gold, experience and gear with very low (IRL=In Real Life) danger to health, wealth and freedom, plus if we die in game we are quickly back alive in game.

How many crimes have been perpetrated from boredom, need for recognition, frustration, competitiveness, jealousy etc. There are always a certain undetermined high and flexible number of sins, most of which the revenge for is less permanent in its results in game then outside it.

There you go sociologists and politicians, hint for more $$$ research into something that common sense could rapidly answer, but you can put it into much better words and add statistical analysis, provided you ask the right questions of course.

Re:Video games have made us safer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372803)

Somehow i don't think you're gonna win this argument with facts... I guess we would need a 4 times higher murder rate in D.C. for that...

Re:Video games have made us safer (0)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373031)

And if we abolish modern day prohibition, we might reduce it another 75%, but I doubt Ms. Feinstein could understand that.

Re:Video games have made us safer (2)

Feyshtey (1523799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373043)

And there's a hell of a lot more plastic today than in the 1940's, proving that plastic helps reduce the murder rate as well.

Ban violent comic books (3, Funny)

decipher_saint (72686) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372507)

Thanks to banning violent comics in the 50s there was no violence in the 60s.

Absolutely no seducing your innocents allowed.

Re:Ban violent comic books (1)

MytQuinn (1846480) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373069)

No beer and no TV make Homer something, something

What do you expect? (3, Interesting)

macbeth66 (204889) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372521)

It is the usual democratic knee-jerk reaction.

As opposed to the alternate republican knee-jerk reaction.

I don't even think that these people believe the verbal diarrhea they spew, but it plays well to their constituents.

Overall, across the country, crime is down. Way down, and that includes murder and murder by gun. That doesn't seem to get considered in their posturing.

Re:What do you expect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372855)

It is the usual democratic knee-jerk reaction.

As opposed to the alternate republican knee-jerk reaction.

I don't even think that these people believe the verbal diarrhea they spew, but it plays well to their constituents.

Overall, across the country, crime is down. Way down, and that includes murder and murder by gun. That doesn't seem to get considered in their posturing.

That or the fact that if they crack down on violent games in the US all they'll achieve is to move the industry offshore while American gamers will still get their fix by buying violent games online, delivered by download. The next step would then be to classify shooter games as illegal munitions ore some such laughable crap, set up mandatory minimums three year sentences for posession and start locking people up. I'm sure there is way mure than enough space in American prisons for 1337 gamez, and the US electorate tends to love come-down-on-them-like-a-ton-o-bricks policies anyway so there should be plenty of votes in it.

Feinstien is senile (4, Insightful)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372541)

Every time she opens her mouth these days, stronger and stronger derp comes out.

Recently she's gotten up to weapons-grade stupid. Time for her to go.

Clearly unconstitutional (5, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372547)

What part of the First Amendment doesn't Diane Feinstein understand? The courts have (rightly) ruled that video games are a constitutionally protected art form. The government has no more right to censor video games than they do books, plays, movies, or any other type of media.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372655)

Just classify them as "Obscene". Nobody actually seems to know what that is; but rigorous empirical study has allowed me to reach the conclusion that, functionally, "Obscene" is a shorthand term for "It isn't covered by the first amendment if it hurts my feelings sufficiently".

Re: Obscene (5, Informative)

SpaceManFlip (2720507) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372811)

Obscenity is defined by the "Miller Test"

If an artwork/material/etc is considered obscene by the moral standards of the general community at large (in the pertinent locale) AND has no redeeming social/educational value, then it is considered obscene and should be banned.

Any "obscenely" violent vidya game could simply take a page from Playboy's playbook, and insert some kind of PSA like "give the gift of Literacy" somewhere within the work that is prominently visible, and it would fail Part 2 of the Miller Test and therefore be Not Obscene.

Re: Obscene (1, Interesting)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372969)

Bullshit. Obscene is defined by whatever the person that holds political power and is willing to define it want it to be. That is the problem with creating loopholes in constitutional principles that should be absolute.

Re: Obscene (3, Insightful)

SpaceManFlip (2720507) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373001)

I will see your call of "Bullshit" and raise you 1 citation of Current Law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test [wikipedia.org]

In the USA, fortunately, no one person holds all the political power.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372717)

What part of the First Amendment doesn't Diane Feinstein understand? The courts have (rightly) ruled that video games are a constitutionally protected art form. The government has no more right to censor video games than they do books, plays, movies, or any other type of media.

Just a second there, professor. No one is talking about a ban of violent video games. That would be the unconstitutional outcome you insist is imminent, yet it hasn't even been mentioned in jest. What is more likely is a stronger M rating (maybe M+) and more penalties for video game stores that sell them to kids. Who knows, maybe a PSA or two telling parents not to submerge their 11 year olds' brain in lifelike murder, just to shut them up for a while?

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (1)

ThisIsSaei (2397758) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372983)

ESRB conformity is a voluntary action on all sides; the concept of "more penalties for video game stores that sell them to kids" doesn't make sense in the current system.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (2)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372751)

Well, they can at least prevent them from being sold to minors. Of course, the ESRB already has exactly the same non-government-enforced ratings concept as the MPAA does for movies - both systems clearly tells parents what age range is appropriate for a given title. This is hands down the parents' responsibility to decide what media their children should be exposed to.

If they try to regulate one they should be required to regulate both... and I hope they try. That way the anti-regulation side will have the combined force of the game and (much more powerful) movie industry - which is where Feinstein gets a lot of her campaign contributions. Just watch her back down when Hollywood bigwigs get sick of it and tell her to STFU.

No need for goverment help (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373047)

FTC has been doing secret shopper tests on volutary rating systems. R rated movies, M rated games, Parental Advisory Music. Game stores have the best record. Their record has also improve dramatically in the last 10 years. In 2002 90% of the children secret shoppers could buy M rated games. Now it varies between 8%(gamestop) to 22%(walmart) http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/03/mysteryshop.shtm [ftc.gov]

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372761)

She clearly doesn't understand anything from the word Congress at least to the word infringed, possibly further.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372815)

Should be "What part of the constitution" doesn't she understand? She doesn't understand the 1st or 2nd amendments.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (2)

msk (6205) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372831)

Since I don't have mod points today, I will say "mod parent up". Seriously, Feinstein should have been recalled or impeached decades ago.

Re:Clearly unconstitutional (2)

Feyshtey (1523799) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373077)

It has nothing to do with Constitutionality, dont you get that? It has everything to do with a "living document" that is "outdated", and that these people are far more capable of choosing for you how you should be living.

So just shut up and let them make things better.

Correlation != causation (1)

MondoGordo (2277808) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372557)

I always figured that violent video games, especially the more realistic ones, provide a safe (ie: therapeutic) outlet for the homicidal impulses that everyone (however otherwise sane) inevitably has. Outlaw those and escalating "urban stress" will cause a dramatic increase in violent acts.

So much for the liberal left... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372567)

Instead of taking a stick to law breakers it seems that their queen's first answer is to ban stuff.
 
It's a brave new world.

Re:So much for the liberal left... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372775)

Modded down by mindless Democrat goose stepper.

Speaking of bad childhood influences... (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372593)

What sort of cultural dysfunction makes wrinkly old people in positions of authority so insufferable? Is it the rock and roll devil music that they were exposed to as children?

Over reaction (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372605)

I personally love violent video games and movies and would be angry to see them banned or censored.

On the other hand, pretending that constant exposure to violence is 100% harmless is silly. Personal anecdotes about "I played DOOM and I never shot anybody" does not help either.

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372615)

Conservative Teens [theonion.com]

Recent surveys show that today's teens are more conservative than the previous generation on issues like abortion and drug use. What do you think?

“Who can blame them, what with all the conservative video games they're playing?” -- Fannie Whitton, Tailor

What a shock... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372617)

...another disgusting authoritarian reveals themselves.

Fuck Nanny Feinstein (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372619)

where are the Dead Kennedy's when you need them?

Re:Fuck Nanny Feinstein (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372729)

Dead.

Re:Fuck Nanny Feinstein (1)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372977)

Sadly they got embroiled in royalty disputes that broke up the band. I hear they have reformed without Biafra, but that's not exactly the DKs is it?

I have an idea (5, Informative)

VGPowerlord (621254) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372623)

I have an idea, why doesn't the United States do what they did with movies and put ratings on every video game, and then refuse to sell ones aimed at adults to children?

Oh wait, they already did that [esrb.org] .

Re:I have an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372743)

I don't even like playing games, but they have ratings. Where are the parents? The thing that bothers me about this is that we don't have the same system on books and yet I'm sure she thinks that's okay.

Again!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372659)

How many times do we have to go through this? There are volumes of research that says that these concerns are shaky at best. There is a mountain of case law that says that these laws won't survive challenge. Yet, here she goes again. At what point do these people accept reality and stop wasting time and money?

I'd like to propose a law myself. It says, if any member of government tables a bill that they know, or should have known, would fail, they MUST resign their positions. Maybe it would make them do five minutes of research before rushing to waste time and money.

Anything But The Real Issue (1)

xdor (1218206) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372679)

Before it was about the tools used, now its about entertainment they consumed, maybe after this gets dropped they will get to the real cause: the side of effects of SSRIs

We Need Congress Control... (1, Insightful)

PortHaven (242123) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372687)

OR in otherwords.

STFU Feinstein....pass the stupid budget...balance it...or we'll beat you to death with our Halo 4 game box.

So she's obviously wrong about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372703)

So all here agree that she is obviously wrong about this.
Can we all agree that she is obviously wrong about her other issues as well, such as gun control?

Bread and Circus (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372721)

Both parties about nothing but bread and circus.

I just don't get it (5, Informative)

prelelat (201821) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372731)

This isn't some confused 14 year old who went out and started shooting the place up it was a 20 year old. A 20 year old that should have had 20 years to learn that life isn't a video game. Learn that you don't go killing people just for shits, because you're pissed off, or what ever. Myself, and I dare say millions of people in world have played violent video games since the day they were able to sit at a computer(now a console I suppose) and to this day we have maybe a handful of incidents that cry out tragedy. That's some fucked up math. You want to point a finger at guns, sure they were probably used in 90% of these attacks(I recall one where some asshole blew up a school decades ago with TNT). Guns are not the problem here either, it's not the media glorifying it* though I dare say that has more of an affect on children than video games.

The problem is mental illness. This guy was sick, that's all there is to it. How else do you explain the millions of people that play video games and nothing happens. How else do you explain people that have gone through so much tragedy seen so much worse from such horrible backgrounds not going out and killing a swath of children with semi-automatic guns. He was sick, and no one gives a fuck about it. No one wants to explore a health care system that would try and reach people like this early. They don't want to try and help the people like Adam Lanza because he wasn't at fault, it was the guns, the video games heaven forbid they found milk in his fridge and blamed the milk man.

*The media does more to glorify killing than any video game, they play on repeat hours and hours of footage of what happened they immortalize the killers. Some guy who said to himself all his life "no one knows who I am no one understands me" all of the sudden realize "If I shoot up a school people will look at me and know my name, they will know who I am and spend years trying to figure me out" Shits fucked up.

Beating a dead horse (2)

EmperorOfCanada (1332175) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372737)

This is one of the few topics where we should all be able to paste that classic animated gif of the guy beating the dead horse. I suspect these politicians don't actually give a crap about video games. They are just pandering to a noisy few people who pester them about it.

I live in Halifax, Nova Scotia where the municipal politicians have internationally humiliated themselves regularly every few years over proposed Cat bylaws. I asked one councilor why they would ever bring up the stupidest idea regularly every half decade or so and he told me that it was the number one thing that people whined at him about; not taxes (which are off the charts in Halifax), not potholes, not all the crime, the dirt, the lack of jobs, the money wasted, or any of the actual pressing matters but the thing that made people intercept him in the grocery store was cats crapping in their gardens. So he just proposed the stupid bylaw and weathered the storm of stupidity so that he could shut them up.

I suspect that these people who whine about Video Games are low IQ types who don't really understand the real issues facing the US but think they have wrapped their pea brains around an issue and then go off on their moral quest. Their parents were probably on about rap music and their grandparents had their knickers in a knot over satan's rock and roll.

The ironic thing is that these same people were probably all wound up about a tiny rule stating that the president has to be born in the US while ignoring the most important, and first, amendment in the constitution they claim to hold in nearly the same esteem as their bibles. What I think it all boils down to is that people that drive laws like this don't like people having fun that they don't understand.

Re:Beating a dead horse (1)

jittles (1613415) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372955)

I suspect that these people who whine about Video Games are low IQ types who don't really understand the real issues facing the US but think they have wrapped their pea brains around an issue and then go off on their moral quest. Their parents were probably on about rap music and their grandparents had their knickers in a knot over satan's rock and roll. The ironic thing is that these same people were probably all wound up about a tiny rule stating that the president has to be born in the US while ignoring the most important, and first, amendment in the constitution they claim to hold in nearly the same esteem as their bibles. What I think it all boils down to is that people that drive laws like this don't like people having fun that they don't understand.

I find it ironic that you suggest that these people are conservative idiots when Feinstein is one of the most liberal senators in the US. How about we just call them idiots and not right or left wing idiots?

Honorable Senator Ignores the Painfully Obvious (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372741)

The first victim of the Sandy Hook event was the mother of shooter. 'Mom' gave the gun to the shooter, and taught the shooter to shoot. What saddens me more is that the shooter did not immediately turn inward. Thanks 'Mom'.

Guns in the hands of the mentally unbalanced seems to be the most ignored issue, why?

Re:Honorable Senator Ignores the Painfully Obvious (1)

Experiment 626 (698257) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372861)

Guns in the hands of the mentally unbalanced seems to be the most ignored issue, why?

Why would politicians want to tackle a difficult social problem when they can just demonize gun owners or gamers and still act like they are trying to "do something"?

Easy fix with existing laws! (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372773)

Since virtually every console and most games now require internet access and use back-end servers for something, the manufactures/publishers just need to add age restriction enforcement to their TOS agreements. "You must be 18 years old or older to play games rates M" and such. Then just have the feds arrest the little violators and charge them under the CFAA.

Fixed! They were probably going to grow up to be felons anyway, so this just nips it in the bud early. As an added bonus since they will now be felons, they won't be eligible to (legally) purchase/own/use firearms!

Future Ban (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372779)

June 25, 2015: This morning, President Obama signed into law banning 'Everything Bad' for the American people. Americans must now return straight home from their jobs and TOUCH NOTHING!! Recent studies have shown that, "...too much of anything is no good for you."

This new law bans pornography, sex with anyone including so called "self sex", computing, video gaming, and drinking water, since studies have shown that 2 Englishmen die yearly from over-imbibing of the liquid. Film which would normally be at 11 about this latest development will not be shown, since the new ban now bans television.

Enough Control on the "People" (4, Informative)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372783)

Let's get some control on Congress and the Corporations -- like that will ever happen. If I recall -- Feinstein was among the members of Congress found to be actively engaged in INSIDER TRADING by dealing in information given to her by Industry Lobbyists in exchange for "favors" and GIVEN A PASS! These members of Congress had claimed that they didn't know that Insider Trading was bad and inappropriate -- no charges or even fines will ever be levied against the Members of Congress or the Lobbyists who supplied the information by the SEC or DoJ.

In the last 30 years Congress has redefined "The People" as the Corporate Entities and the .5%. They see their job as handing as much power and control over the Subjects of the US to them as possible. Controlling Freedom of Expresion and curtailing the Constitutional Rights of the Subjects is needed to achieve that end.

Out with the old. (3, Informative)

HeckRuler (1369601) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372787)

Dear Senator Feinstein,

The demographic you're trying to fear-monger votes out of is dying off and an ever-increasing percentage of voters think this makes you look like an unelectable fool.

Sincerely,
A democrat under 30.

Feinstein calls for spoon ban (1)

MacColossus (932054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372797)

Congress has learned that spoons make people fat. Senator Feinstein is now announcing legislation in conjunction with a PR push by Michelle Obama calling for a ban or at minimum a tax on all spoons to put an end to obesity.

The only thing out of control? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372829)

Congress, Ms. Feinstein in particular, but the rest of them also need to be thrown out.

Re:The only thing out of control? (1)

Minwee (522556) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373007)

Congress, Ms. Feinstein in particular, but the rest of them also need to be thrown out.

So you're arguing that Senator Feinstein needs to be thrown out of Congress?

I think there may be an important detail that you're missing there. This instructional video [youtube.com] may help you spot it.

Re:The only thing out of control? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373063)

Well, golly gee! I did not know that :-/

Gotta do what we can to make sure the bill doesn't become law... Out they go! Time for a fresh start...

Guns and video games don't make people violent (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372833)

People like Feinstein don't want to face the judgmental reality that some people are just incorrigibly violent and dangerous. Many others are such that they won't have an epiphany about not hurting their fellow man until the system rains down fire and brimstone on their heads (ex. many small time violent criminals) often in a way that ruins their life.

You are trying to understand low to non-existent empathy people from the perspective of normal empathy. You can't. Their brains are probably almost as alien in many ways as a jungle cat or a wolf's brain.

Liberals don't like to face the fact that evil people are very often not insane. In fact they are probably some of the most brutally realistic people you'll ever meet and can function on a level equal to or higher than the average joe in the social order.

If they can't pass gun control measures... (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372857)

This will be forgotten in a couple days.

We Need better (Educated) Senators (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372859)

The truth is, our Senators are failing at their jobs. They make laws they know nothing about, and make a lot of laws that seems to be straight from corporation playbooks. But the sad truth is, the law makers do NOT understand Technology.

Look, if video games were that bad, then most of us would be killers. Instead of me laughing at dumb ass people, I'd shoot them. Since I've played a lot of Grand Theft Auto, in reality I must be stealing cars and killing people right and left. But oddly enough, I don't. You can't say it's because I'm not criminally inclined, because I am.

The truth is, some people are just plain fucked in the head. And they are going to lash out in a way that is public and we don't like. If you want to play the blame game, it's our faults for not giving everyone the mental health care they might need. Shit, I didn't get any till I was in my 30's. Why don't we put more money into the health care (mental included) for everyone in the United States, like a good government would do for it's people. That is, if they really cared about the people.

90% of crime rate changes linked to lead exposure (5, Informative)

Memophage (88273) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372903)

Mother Jones recently published an article America's Real Criminal Element: Lead [motherjones.com] , detailing the correlation between decrease in environmental lead levels (mostly due to unleaded gasoline laws) and the decrease in crime rates (with a 20-year delay). The numbers are impressive, and they've correlated across areas of the country that enacted lead control laws at different times. The research is thorough and they make bold claims: "Gasoline lead may explain as much as 90 percent of the rise and fall of violent crime over the past half century." I highly recommend giving it a thorough read.

The REAL solution is clear... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372939)

We need Feinstein control.

We Need Government Dumbass Control (1)

SpaceManFlip (2720507) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372951)

All damn day long every day you hear this or that Congressman or Congresswoman railing about new laws or new regulations to save lives or save the economy or save the environment. Either them or the celebrity President, who gets on TV to say "Shame on You" for not believing his lies and doing what he told you to do.

All damn day long every day what you don't see is those Capitol Hill suits being handed the fat checks from lobbyists from the mega corporations who they really serve instead of the voting public.

We need to protect amurca from the turrists! (READ: We needs to blow up lots of Boeing / Raytheon / GE munitions so they can sell us more and Profit!!!)

We need to ban all the Weapons of War from Our Streets to Keep the Children Alive !!! (While the cops / border patrol / DHS all drive around in armored SUVs and MRAPs carrying full-auto machineguns and wearing battle armor)

We need Health Care Reform to make Medicine Affordable (... so they force everyone to pay the insurance companies who are responsible for accepting the overbilling of every single medical procedure performed because doctors know they will pay so they bill double, instead of having the medical prices actually regulated to sane levels like every other civilized country in the world practially)

/rant

Gun supporters and Game supporters in same boat (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372953)

If you support gun control now, you are just helping lay the groundwork for stringent GAME control later.

Just published, a good article on Kotaku [kotaku.com] making the case why game and gun supporters need to start treating each other with respect, instead of as enemies.

Americans (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372957)

Bombing people with drones and 12 years of endless war is ok, violence and murder is fine on television and in movies, but make a game about it? HELL NO!

By their logic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372959)

If you follow her logic that playing violent video games leads to violent behavior by the people that play the game then we should all be running in fear for our lives from every military vet who ever served our country in a combat situation. If simulated violence is able to turn the average game player into a mindless killing machine, I can only imagine what is going on inside of the people who have had to be a part of real violence like war.

My apologies to all the members of the military. I in no way believe the above statements.

She's missing the point. (5, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372961)

Every shooting in the USA, every single one, without exception, has taken place in a state which had at least one Senator. The majority of shootings took place in states with two Senators.

That even includes the District of Columbia, which is afflicted with two Shadow Senators even though it isn't a state.

It's obvious even to a child of six that the problem is not video games, not guns, not even lack of access to health care for the mentally ill, it's the presence of Senators.

Abolish the Senate and I guarantee you that the problem of shootings taking place in states with Senators will go away immediately.

We need idiot control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43372993)

Vote all senators who voted for the Monsanto protection act out of the senate.

Why not blame the bible and quran for violence (1)

Vince6791 (2639183) | about a year and a half ago | (#43372995)

"We need video game control"

No, we need to control our government from going tyrannical. First they blamed literature, than pot, than liquor, than music, than movies, and now video games. How about we blame and get rid of the bible and Quran since these 2 books have a very major negative influence on society causing nothing but bigotry and violence, if we are going to play the blame game.

You will always have assholes lurking in any society using religion or some other ideology to rape, murder, enslave, control the masses through government propaganda. Video games, movies, music, sports, art, literature, automobiles are the best things in life to keep you from going insane.
     

Fienstein = Moron (1)

RudyHartmann (1032120) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373025)

These people spend all their time trying to deny other people of freedom. If we need any kind of control, it's Senator control.

Geez.

Sandy Hook ACTORS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43373049)

Google 'Robbie Parker', and his scary wife, 'Alissa Parker', etc.
Are you so stupid that you believe anything the Jew-owned media tells you?

Leave it to the Left... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43373055)

to always want more laws to "protect the children" and control the people. Hitler was a socialist who passed gun control laws.

Actually... (-1, Troll)

malv (882285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373061)

We need Jew control. Time we root them out of the government and put them on a one way trip to Israel.

Constitutional failure (3, Interesting)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373067)

Feinstein has always had problems with Constitutional protections for anything she doesn't like. She likes to pretend that the Constitution only protects the things that she favors. If a Senator will blatantly attack the 2nd amendment, why would it surprise someone that she would go after the 1st?

You have to give her credit in her consistent disregard for peoples rights, her track record is as bad as other Senator currently serving in Congress. She's a hardcore extremist and thinks nothing of using the law to trample anyone that doesn't think like she does. Left wing and right wing extremists are both just as bad at having trouble understanding rights are rights and that they should not mess with them.

Moderate in the middle that supports all rights.

We need Feinstein-control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43373075)

We need Feinstein control. Keeping Feinsteins off our streets will make America a safer place. Come on, Californians, vote her out before she turns all of America into the communistic government that California has become! I've always voted against her, no matter who the opposition was.

Good Guy/Bad Guy (1)

snooz_crash (802357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43373091)

The only thing that'll stop a bad guy with a video game, is a good guy with a video game.
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