Beta

Slashdot: News for Nerds

×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Apple Devices To Outsell Windows For First Time Ever In 2013

timothy posted about a year ago | from the well-they're-very-good-at-making-things-roundish dept.

Windows 391

zacharye writes "Mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets have long been considered the future of computing and a new projection from market research firm Gartner shows just how important the mobile market has become. According to the firm's estimates for 2013, Apple devices will outsell Windows devices for the first time this year. The estimate takes into account sales of Apple's iPhones, iPads and Mac computers as well as desktops, laptops, tablets and smartphones powered by Microsoft's various Windows operating systems..."

cancel ×

391 comments

The King is dead (1, Insightful)

beastie456 (2860741) | about a year ago | (#43374909)

Long live the King. Again

Re:The King is dead (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43374965)

Does this mean the DOJ will finally pay attention to Apple and their "fair for everyone, especially the consumers, no this isn't an abuse of power or monopolistic tendencies, hey look over there, there is nothing to see here" policies?

Re:The King is dead (2, Insightful)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year ago | (#43375027)

Probably not, their markets have healthy competition.

Re:The King is dead (3, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#43375569)

Probably not, their markets have healthy competition.

That's correct and they are suing them like crazy.

Re:The King is dead (4, Insightful)

jamesh (87723) | about a year ago | (#43375487)

Does this mean the DOJ will finally pay attention to Apple and their "fair for everyone, especially the consumers, no this isn't an abuse of power or monopolistic tendencies, hey look over there, there is nothing to see here" policies?

If Apple devices have just outsold Microsoft, then it would imply that there is a somewhat decent balance in the marketplace and the word 'monopoly' is probably misplaced here.

Re:The King is dead (2)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43375781)

I really don't think the DOJ should bother. Capitalism did to Microsoft what the government could not. Even in the EU, where supposedly proper justice was being served, when given the choice, the customers chose internet explorer anyways. Microsoft was forced to sell the N version of windows that didn't include media player, but nobody bought it anyways.

Yet when superior browsers rose up, not even the inclusion of IE as the default and unremovable browser (in the US at least) stopped customers from ultimately picking Chrome in higher numbers than IE.

I think capitalism will do the same thing to Apple. Yeah, there are the washed masses. We should know that better than anybody. But the customers aren't going to change from that unless something better comes along. The best we can do is remove government sanctioned monopolies granted by overbearing patents, and do away with the anti-circumvention clause of the DMCA.

Re:The King is dead (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375007)

Meh, this is just being posted to wake up the iFans and get their rabid page-clicks.

Android has been outselling Windows for a long time now, and will pass the entire Microsoft installed base in about 18 months.

Re:The King is dead (1)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#43375637)

Meh, this is just being posted to wake up the iFans and get their rabid page-clicks.

Android has been outselling Windows for a long time now, and will pass the entire Microsoft installed base in about 18 months.

Hey, look, Microsoft got into the fickle home entertainment market with XBox. Apple stayed away and developed products which were far more addictive.

I love Android and the alternative it provides, which forces Apple to remain on their toes, but Microsoft isn't even a player in the mobile market. Doesn't take a fanboi to figure where Microsoft's missteps have led them.

Android has probably not (1)

backslashdot (95548) | about a year ago | (#43375691)

Android has probably not outsold Apples devices, when you consider Android's non existent tablet sales and lack of laptops/desktop installations.

Re:Android has probably not (1)

goombah99 (560566) | about a year ago | (#43375713)

Android has probably not outsold Apples devices, when you consider Android's non existent tablet sales and lack of laptops/desktop installations.

Don't forget to count Cameras and TVs.

Re:Android has probably not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375757)

Android has probably not outsold Apples devices, when you consider Android's non existent tablet sales and lack of laptops/desktop installations.

Are you blind or just in denial?

Globally, Android is outselling iOS almost two to one.

Re:The King is dead (5, Interesting)

quenda (644621) | about a year ago | (#43375209)

Not so fast! If we are going to start comparing counts of "Devices", the clear winner is neither, but Linux.
Windows still rules the Desktop, and Apple the MP3-players, but all those millions of routers, TVs, Blu-ray players, TiVos, GPS units, Android devices and even kitchen appliances....
Linux *Devices* clearly outsell any other comparable platform, by a huge margin.

Re:The King is dead (2)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#43375367)

In its Android incarnation alone, Linux outsells Microsoft and Apple. Then there's the cloud...

Re:The King is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375677)

Not so fast! If we are going to start comparing counts of "Devices", the clear winner is neither, but Linux.
Windows still rules the Desktop, and Apple the MP3-players, but all those millions of routers, TVs, Blu-ray players, TiVos, GPS units, Android devices and even kitchen appliances....
Linux *Devices* clearly outsell any other comparable platform, by a huge margin.

"Not so fast!" Revisited: Servers and embedded devices like Kiosks are noticeably absent from that count as well. I'm pretty sure that, while Windows wouldn't beat Linux, it would certainly still beat Apple.

Lies, Dam Lies, and Statistics....

Re:The King is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375787)

The meth addict living under the bridge sucks more penises that Natalie Portman but I wouldn't call him a clear winner.

Give the money back (1)

goombah99 (560566) | about a year ago | (#43375605)

Clearly it is time to close apple down and give the money back to the stockholders. I mean it has a price to earnings ratio of 9.6 in an industry where 30 is the norm ( Facebook has a P/E ratio of 1,854.43, and arguably a book value of zero.) Seriously it's on the way out.

PEG (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375701)

Yeah apple's PEG ratio is 5 times SMALLER than google's. Price/ Earnings/ Growth. So smaller means better. five fold better. Stunning.

Microsoft is fast becoming a Jewish ghetto... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43374929)

Gates and Allen just don't seem to give a damn about the company they founded.

The Tribe has taken over, and It's running MSFT straight into the ground.

Meanwhile, Bill and Melinda obsess over how to edumakate IQ 80 inner city yutes, while Redmond burns.

I wonder if there's some quid pro quo where tribalists like Ballmer promise to make the stupidest possible decisions at every fork in the road if only their cousins in the hedge funds will give them a cut of the action on the short contracts.

And no, I am not being facetious.

Oh yeah, well what has Jobs done lately? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375095)

If you think Gates and Allen have turned their backs on their company, you should see the cold shoulder Jobs is giving his. (and cold hands, feet, and everything else, for that matter)

Re:Oh yeah, well what has Jobs done lately? (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#43375403)

What makes you so sure that Steve is still buried?

Re:Microsoft is fast becoming a Jewish ghetto... (0)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#43375495)

"It's a nice reader, but there's nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'" Bill Gates [cbsnews.com] , Microsoft, 10 February 2010

Maybe he wishes Microsoft hadn't done Windows 8?

Re:Microsoft is fast becoming a Jewish ghetto... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375579)

I think he's secretly very happy about Win8, as it will finally erase Microsoft Bob from the minds of those of us who lived through that particular flavor of hell.

Re:Microsoft is fast becoming a Jewish ghetto... (0)

ackthpt (218170) | about a year ago | (#43375607)

"It's a nice reader, but there's nothing on the iPad I look at and say, 'Oh, I wish Microsoft had done it.'" Bill Gates [cbsnews.com] , Microsoft, 10 February 2010

Maybe he wishes Microsoft hadn't done Windows 8?

Maybe he shouldn't have wasted so much time fretting over Java and moved Windows to a *nix kernal OS a long time ago.

In Redmond, they've been playing the same hand for decades. Totally missed the iPod, totally missed the mobile media player market, totally underestimated the mobile phone/communication device market and still utterly failed with the tablet market, learning absolutely nothing from their failure with XP tablets. A sign of intelligence is learning from your mistakes. Telling, isn't it? Ballmer should give back his entire salary and quit.

Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43374941)

Microsoft devices cost less than Apple devices, but they get less of units sold than apple which has specialized in their customer base. Not everyone wants apple, but it seems nobody wants windows now.

I wonder how android sales go along this?

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | about a year ago | (#43375055)

Microsoft offers what it thinks you should have.

Apple offers what attracts people.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375379)

Apple offers you a seemingly attractive fruit as bait.

Turns out it's poisoned.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#43375387)

Apple has more competent marketing.

This is a new phenomenon. Prior to Apple's advertising renaisance, it was on perpetual deathwatch for years. The idea that they would ever sell more of anything than Microsoft was laughable.

They were marginalized just like any other would-be PC competitor.

It's only by becoming a Sony wannabe that they managed to avoid becoming nothing more than a historical footnote. It's a stupid and invalid comparison. The new Apple is the successor of the Sony Walkman, not the IBM PC.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (5, Insightful)

DrEldarion (114072) | about a year ago | (#43375437)

You do realize that Jobs was the one who said "people don't know what they want"? Apple is the #1 perpetrator of dictating to users what they "should" want.

Re: Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375515)

And Steve was right almost every time. He was radical and unapologetic, but right. Simple as that.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#43375525)

You do realize that Jobs was the one who said "people don't know what they want"?

Yes, and he never said Apple offers what people want either.
Otherwise we'd have an expandable desktop Mac that's smaller and cheaper than the Mac Pro. We'd have a Mac Pro that doesn't make a joke out of the "Pro" part. We'd have native blu-ray playback on Macs, and and SD card slots for user-expandable memory on iDevices as well.

Apple simply offers them something that is attractive to them, and and Microsoft's version is not.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43375643)

Microsoft offers what it thinks you should have.

Apple offers what attracts people.

I'm no fan of either company, but that's just a PR quality meaningless statement. All you've said is that Apple is more successful ithan MS currently is.

Take it to its logical conclusion - does Apple offer what it thinks you should not have? Of course not, they both do the same thing, Apple's just been better at it recently is all.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#43375063)

Do you really want to walk around with a brown slab in your hand or enjoy been given the 'right' to squirt a song ?
Pay $1K for a tablet that makes an Apple device look like a fair priced product?
Play games on a slow 2004 computer at ~1080p in 2013?
If you have coding skills, been told that aspect of the hardware are off limits unless your a multinational halfway into the dev cycle?

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#43375419)

Do they still sell Zunes? If I walk around near the Microsoft store long enough, will I see some teens squirting?

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43375801)

You said teens squirting.

Re:Interesting observation because MS != Apple (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43375331)

I wonder if they counted all the droids that Microsoft is getting a cut of?

well that didn't take long (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43374967)

did it?

Not the whole picture (4, Insightful)

pcjunky (517872) | about a year ago | (#43374981)

Mobile phones really skewed things. However if you take things like Andriod into account Apple's share is still quite small. It just that Microsoft has almost no presence in the mobile phone market. Bill would not have let this happen had he still been in charge.

Shh. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375009)

The Apple fanboys will cry if you burst their unreality bubble.

Re:Not the whole picture (5, Interesting)

skine (1524819) | about a year ago | (#43375087)

It is interesting, though, that after all these years of /. saying that "20XX is the Year of Linux on the Desktop," Unix-Like devices actually account for more than half of computing devices.

Granted, they aren't as FOS as we might have hoped for.

Re:Not the whole picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375139)

That is what I was thinking. The headline should really be that Linux devices are the best selling now and will remain the best selling, considering their presence on cell phones, tablets and in enterprise and hosting situations.

Re:Not the whole picture (1)

mcrbids (148650) | about a year ago | (#43375203)

.. and routers, embedded servers, firewalls, mesh networks, Rasberry Pi, and too many other strange devices that lack a commonly recognizable name.

Linux (*nix) is *everywhere*.

Re:Not the whole picture (4, Insightful)

dc29A (636871) | about a year ago | (#43375411)

Bill would not have let this happen had he still been in charge.

Ah yes, Bill Gates the visionary. Almost missed TCP/IP (had to be begged to implement it) ... and the Internet. Was the SPAM problem supposed to be solved in what? 3 years in 2004? Bill let the whole tablet market slip from his fingers, at least a good 9 years before the iPad.

He was in the right place at the right time. Nothing more. Definitely not a visionary.

Re:Not the whole picture (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375471)

Bill Gates was paranoid as fuck. When Windows CE was introduced Microsoft said "We don't want someone doing to us what we did to IBM!" .... Then Gates left and they let WinCE rot, never developed a decent UI, never developed a good mobile browser, completely dismissed the iphone, etc.

Also, you're totally wrong about TCP/IP, microsoft was pushing it for corporate networking, and Win95 was the first consumer OS to ship with an IP stack.

Re: Not the whole picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375555)

Completely wrong. The tcp/ip stack was implemented in Win3.11 for workgroups as an afterthought. And Win 95 was definitely NOT the first consumer OS with TCP. That was Mac OS 6. Long before that Win95 pile of shit.

Re:Not the whole picture (4, Informative)

otuz (85014) | about a year ago | (#43375583)

MacTCP was released in 1988.

Re:Not the whole picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375629)

MacTCP wasn't bundled with the OS and was only site-licensed to large institutions.

First version of MacOS that could do IP out-of-the-box was 7.5.something which came out after Win95.

You could also pay big money to license TCP/IP for OS2, but again wasn't included until after Win95

Re:Not the whole picture (2)

AvitarX (172628) | about a year ago | (#43375625)

Spam has been solved for ages from what I can tell. But I use gmail.

Xbox and Windows CE? (5, Insightful)

Megor1 (621918) | about a year ago | (#43374989)

Did they include Xbox and windows CE devices?

Re:Xbox and Windows CE? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375029)

No, of course not. Including all microsoft devices against all apple devices doesn't make for scandalous headlines.

Re:Xbox and Windows CE? (1)

otuz (85014) | about a year ago | (#43375589)

The topic is about all Windows devices.

And the zune? (5, Funny)

transporter_ii (986545) | about a year ago | (#43375293)

Don't forget the Zunes. Whatever their final total was, add +8 to it, so it reflects the Zunes.

Re:And the zune? (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43375353)

I saw a zune the other day. One guy I work with has one and he listens to music on it. I was amazed and asked him why he bought it. His wife gave it to him for Christmas one year.

Re:And the zune? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375421)

Wait, who's the other five guys??

Re:And the zune? (2)

skine (1524819) | about a year ago | (#43375639)

I know that Zunes get a bad rap, but I bought my Zune as an open box item at Best Buy when it first came out, and it's probably the only device that I own that's that old and still works perfectly.

(I own a number of old video game consoles, but they tend to all need special treatment. For example, for my Sega Genesis, I have to blow into the cartridge, blow into the slot on the console, insert the game in all the way, raise the cartridge back up about 1-2mm, shove my wallet underneath the power cable where it meets the console so that it's at exactly the right angle, and pray that when I turn on the power that all works so I don't have to start over from the beginning)

Re:And the zune? (1)

elashish14 (1302231) | about a year ago | (#43375697)

Sorry, but that's Windows CE, my friend.

Re:Xbox and Windows CE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375299)

of course not, that would put Apple at a disadvantage and then gartner would not be able to generate as much sensational press.

Re:Xbox and Windows CE? (1)

je ne sais quoi (987177) | about a year ago | (#43375405)

That's a good point. I looked and looked but can't find evidence that Gartner considered an xbox as something running "Windows". I did find this article that says that Apple TV was outselling the Xbox on a per quarter basis as late as last year [daringfireball.net] . Lifetime sales of Xbox are still higher, but Xbox has been around a long while. While I don't doubt that a new Xbox release would reverse this, what I don't get is what Microsoft would possibly do with a new console that would make it worth buying. A little hardware refresh won't make any magic happen. On the other hand, there is this funny quote from the founder of Valve saying that an Apple iTunes-style walled garden gaming platform would eat Sony's, Nintendo's and Microsoft's lunch [macrumors.com] , so go figure. I can't imagine that Apple looks at the gaming space and thinks there's an opening there though, it's pretty saturated. On the other hand, there's a lot of clever little games out there for the iTunes store made by indie developers, maybe they really could create an opening for themselves.

Re:Xbox and Windows CE? (1)

a_n_d_e_r_s (136412) | about a year ago | (#43375597)

Xbox sales is very small in comparison. Microsoft have sold a total of about 70 million units of Xboxes since 2005. Currently they sell like half a million each month - basically neglectable compared with total sales of windows; its even less then windows mobile.

As for Windows CE its hard to find data of number of licenses but its also small given that Linux is comming along and many are already using Linux or switching too it. Microsoft has tried to relauch WinCE as WIndows Compact 8 during 2013. Doubt it will get alot of success. WinCE is the basis for Windows Mobile who don't sell good either.

So I would not think about them alot. They don't really matter.

No kidding (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year ago | (#43375635)

The whole thing is stupid period since those devices are all very different markets and kinds of devices. However it is even sillier to compare all of Apple's stuff to just Windows desktops and laptops. If we are going to grab random devices that happen to run stuff, well then there are actually a number of things that run CE, or the embedded versions of Windows.

It actually is not all that impressive to say all of Apple's devices, desktops, laptops, phones, tablets, and so on managed to outsell Windows desktops and laptops (since let's be real, that's where the numbers are the MS tablets and phones aren't selling hardly at all). All that really says is that the market for electronic gadgets is big, and that MS still has a huge share of computers.

This is not news.

Computers are getting to be a mature market. The growth is leveling off, we will get to a point where it'll largely be replacements getting sold, not new ones. However that doesn't mean it still isn't a huge market, or that it isn't profitable.

So ya, Apple is beating MS left right and center in tablets and phones... However it would seem MS is still the be-all, end-all of desktop and laptops which, despite what teenagers may think, are still where shit gets done in the real world and thus still quite in demand.

Also in terms of talking phones, a fun one would be to have a look at Android. I am betting that one is the real winner in that arena.

It's not so much Apple's superiority. . . (5, Insightful)

whozatmac (2771555) | about a year ago | (#43374993)

. . . Microsoft has done this to themselves. Having failed to come up with a compelling mobile space product, they decided to force the half baked mobile OS on desktops, where they had, for better or worse, at least established themselves. No one is buying windows 8 machines that owns any previous windows computer. . . and those who hadn't bought a computer yet are buying tablets and phones and other internet consumption products. Now Microsoft wants to kill of thier segment of the content creation space. It's baffling.

Re:It's not so much Apple's superiority. . . (4, Interesting)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43375401)

You know they should have taken a page out of their own success story. When IBM came knocking they bought an operating system and created MS-DOS out of it. They should have bought Nokia and gotten behind Maemo and put their own spin on it. Maybe a linux kernel with a MS proprietary system on top would have worked for them like Darwin under OS X did for Apple. No, they had to try to reinvent the wheel and it had a flat spot on it.

Windows XP EOL (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43375429)

No one is buying windows 8 machines that owns any previous windows computer

Except to replace a PC that currently runs an operating system that will stop receiving security patches a year from now.

And the Cozy Coupe was the best selling car... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43374995)

In 2008, the Little Tykes Cozy Coupe was the best selling car in the US. However I don't think Toyota was overly concerned about the competition. Apple devices include things like the iPod. Microsoft's big money maker has always been business licensing. When Apple makes double digit market share in the enterprise arena, this will be news.

http://jalopnik.com/5282451/little-tikes-cozy-coupe-the-best-selling-car-in-america

Re:And the Cozy Coupe was the best selling car... (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#43375277)

In 2008, the Little Tykes Cozy Coupe was the best selling car in the US. However I don't think Toyota was overly concerned about the competition. Apple devices include things like the iPod. Microsoft's big money maker has always been business licensing. When Apple makes double digit market share in the enterprise arena, this will be news.

Well that might be the cash cow but the castle guarding it is that "everyone" is on Windows. Netapplications now say 12% of all browsing happens on mobile+tablet and Macs+Linux has 8% on the desktop. together that means roughly one in five no longer surfs on Windows. That's pretty huge considering how recent tablets came along, if they lose the consumers their position would be very much weaker.

Re: And the Cozy Coupe was the best selling car... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375575)

Apple already makes twice as much money as MS. Their business market is irrelevant.

What's on the menu at Microsoft strategy meeting? (0)

bogaboga (793279) | about a year ago | (#43374997)

Gartner shows just how important the mobile market has become. According to the firm's estimates for 2013, Apple devices will outsell Windows devices for the first time this year.

Although Gartner isn't on top of my list when it comes to sources of reliable information, Microsoft's next strategy meeting will be heated to a degree. I guarantee that.

My advice to those who'll participate in that meeting:

Spare some energy to flee as the chair of previous such meetings has been known to throw furniture [businessinsider.com] around. Some call it environmental destruction.

Re:What's on the menu at Microsoft strategy meetin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375355)

What's on the menu at Microsoft strategy meeting?
 
Hard to say... they got rid of the menu.

Huh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375003)

I read the press release and the report...

http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2408515
http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?ref=clientFriendlyUrl&id=2396815

In units shipped, Microsoft maintains its lead.
The prediction doesn't reflect the reports own claim that ultrabook sales will make up for some of the losses.
The headline doesn't take into account licenses sold to corporations and private customers to upgrade existing hardware or to install software on custom-built machines.
There is also no mention of Windows RT or Windows Server in the prediction.

But what do I know.

Re:Huh? (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#43375053)

I didn't realise microsoft sold that many devices. I thought most of what they sold was software licenses. It's Dell, Sony, HP, Lenovo that sell devices. Aside from xbox and similar things.

Seriously Slashdot, you guys must be with me here. (1)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about a year ago | (#43375021)

GARTNER? C'mon, these predictions get richer ever year. I'm not a fanboy of either, I have an iPad and Win8 PC. I dislike both companies, if anything. How many of the analyst prediction articles on Slashdot have came true? I'd bet my mortgage the percentage is small.

Re:Seriously Slashdot, you guys must be with me he (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#43375191)

I'd bet my mortgage the percentage is small.

I doubt anybody would take that bet... I mean, who wants to win somebody's debt?

Re:Seriously Slashdot, you guys must be with me he (1)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about a year ago | (#43375345)

Depends how you look at it. When I bought my house it was a new housing estate in the UK, Scotland to be precise. The house was valued at £225,000 when I bought it 4 years ago. There is 15% of the mortgage left to pay. Do you want my deeds for 15% of the house value? My real point was, Garnet talk shit.

gartner... really? (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#43375089)

This is the same company that said in 2012 that over 350,000,000 PCs were shipped last year now claim only 150,000,000 this year?

Linux beats them both combined (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375113)

Devices with Linux on them outsells them both combined. Many devices people are using are embedded Linux and they don't even know it. Set top boxes, routers, phones, televisions, GPS devices, and so on. Beautiful transparency where the OS is behind the scenes providing seamless functionality and flexibility. A true success but silent.

Re:Linux beats them both combined (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375563)

Only the loudest voices are heard in today's world, especially today's marketing-driven social-networking world. Linux doesn't count, because it's just trying to achieve what it set out to achieve, not "take over the world". Ironically, in the process, it's actually taking over the world, just in a silent and humble way.

Gartner garbage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375157)

Wait, what?! people pay attention to gartner reports? The only use for the company is somewhere to dump the IT consultants we have on our books that no other idiot will take.

Windows 8 is killing PC sales (4, Interesting)

BenJeremy (181303) | about a year ago | (#43375195)

Obviously consumers are mostly staying away from Windows 8, which is slowing new PC sales... and in all honesty, there isn't an urge to upgrade PCs every year or two any more. We've reached a point of maturity in desktops and laptops, in terms of memory and drive space... the sweet spot seems to be around 8GB of RAM and 1TB of drive space. 90% of consumers do little more than surf, get e-mail and play games. Gaming hardware really hasn't vastly improved the user experience in a few years, even low end cards deliver nice graphics and performance on 1080p monitors.

Combined with customers' concerns over the "Modern UI" in Windows 8, and there just isn't a lot of compelling reasons for consumers to purchase new equipment.

Likewise... IT departments have likely slowed hardware refreshes in light of Windows 8. Many took a year or two to adopt Windows 7, which was a no-brainer upgrade after struggling with Vista (which many IT departments skipped). Again... nothing compelling to move into Windows 8 and integrate it into their common office environments, and hardware requirements of current software hasn't demanded more ram than most companies already have deployed.

PC sales are doing great! (1)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#43375485)

It just turns out that personal computers aren't what you thought they were.

Re:Windows 8 is killing PC sales (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375521)

> 90% of consumers do little more than surf, get e-mail and play games.
> just isn't a lot of compelling reasons for consumers to purchase new equipment.

But they are buying new equipment in droves. You're just sticking your head into the sand by assuming these people are just staying put. In fact, they're phasing the PC out of their lives and switching to mobile devices. Once their old laptop dies, it won't be replaced.

Re:Windows 8 is killing PC sales (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about a year ago | (#43375557)

Yes MS really messed up with its xbox "low end cards deliver nice graphics and performance on 1080p monitors" ports are good enough.
They could have ramped up the resolution and game world detail every year, forcing upgrades - it would have worked too.
Now the lazy developers just port games to the PC with a few hi res textures and wonder why sales are not what they once where.
MS and developers would push once work hard with GPU and CPU demands, ensuring a constant trade up and profit taking.

Great! (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#43375227)

When can we start suing them for being a monopoly?

mod dowN (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375241)

Please mo3erate at my freelance

First time since the 80s, not the first time ever. (1)

Tr3vin (1220548) | about a year ago | (#43375295)

How was Windows outselling Apple before Windows existed?

Re:First time since the 80s, not the first time ev (1)

bloodhawk (813939) | about a year ago | (#43375375)

Windows was introduced in 1985, so not sure what you are trying to say, last I checked 1985 was in the 80's

Re: First time since the 80s, not the first time e (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375603)

Apple was founded in 1976. They sold stuff before MS was even founded. Billy Boy was happy to get a contract from Apple back in the old days.

Re:First time since the 80s, not the first time ev (1)

jedidiah (1196) | about a year ago | (#43375409)

> How was Windows outselling Apple before Windows existed?

MS-DOS

That's right. Microsoft nearly ground Apple into the dirt with MS-DOS.

That's "manual memory management" versus the GUI driven Mac with an early form of LAN networking, virtual memory, and something akin to USB.

The tech gap between Microsoft and Apple now is nothing like it used to be.

Re:First time since the 80s, not the first time ev (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375573)

The battle was already over by the time the Macintosh came out.

IBM/Microsoft curbstomped the aging Apple // with the original IBM PC in the business markets. After that Apple was stuck in the graphics/edu/yuppie niches until recently.

Re:First time since the 80s, not the first time ev (0)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year ago | (#43375647)

How was Windows outselling Apple before Windows existed?

MS-DOS

I suspect the OP was after the point that MS-DOS, while being a key part of Windows for a long time, is not Windows itself. There were Apple computers around for several years before Microsoft released its first commercial version of Windows, and that first version did not likely outsell Apple computers in its first year.

Hence the article title here of "Apple Devices To Outsell Windows For First Time Ever" is likely not accurate. Perhaps if you disregard all versions of Windows prior to 3.0, it might be accurate, but as written it is almost certainly an oversimplification.

Not surprising (1)

klazek (1134141) | about a year ago | (#43375365)

Microsoft never offered anything that was all that good (ok, maybe applesoft was ok, but integer basic was much cleaner code... we gave up a lot of elegance and speed just to be able to use floating point numbers, even if your program didn't implement them) - their success had to do with luck and a contract with IBM, in which Microsoft maintained ownership of the cp/m clone that they bought (we all know it as MS-DOS) and essentially rented to IBM. Now that they (MS) lack any kind of monopoly in the mobile space (and thus any kind of leverage on vendors), their products are doing about as well as one would expect in a more or less competitive market. If they would have had to compete in a competitive market selling MS-DOS and Windows, I would expect about the same so-so sales that they get now in the mobile space. Just compare Windows 3 to the old Mac OS. OK, they both seem horrible by today's standards, but Windows was a lot more horrible. I would say even horrible by yesterday's standards. It only did well because you could run it on your DOS PC.

Define "computing" (4, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | about a year ago | (#43375399)

Passively reading news, or tweeting out the occasional 140-character update on your boring life is not "computing" to me. Watching videos isn't computing. Playing games isn't computing, even if it is computationally intensive for the device.

Call me when people start running spreadsheets on these things, or are using them as their primary development platform.

I think it would be more fair to say that these devices have surpassed the PC as interactive entertainment devices, as opposed to "computing" devices.

Re:Define "computing" (1)

game kid (805301) | about a year ago | (#43375689)

The worst part of this will be that since Windows will be outsold by Apple, Microsoft will just say "make it even more like Apple, and Facebook! More Facebook! Wouldn't want Mr. Vader Fader Kid [cnn.com] to beat us at phones too!"

Maybe cause.... (1)

Chewbacon (797801) | about a year ago | (#43375455)

...M$ is losing on those gambles it keeps making pissing off their long-time customers. I'm glad I upgraded my PCs before Win8 came out, because the next machine I buy will probably run Mac OS.

Re:Maybe cause.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375675)

Fag.

This will be the year!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375457)

2011, no, 2012, no, 2013 is the year of Windows on the Phone!

and? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375469)

Well, isn't that something.

Of course, American Midol and Glee are two of the best rated TV programs in this country in the last decade, too.

So....ya know, grain of salt and all.

IF TRUE ANDROID DID IT A LOOOONG TIME BACK !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43375477)

Haha !! Silly foolz you !! Active numbers are another thing !! Count MS-DOS 1.0, Windows 1.03 (and count its DOS bottom, too), and everything since, too, then !! Fucking MIND BLOWING (last words of Travis Alexander before he was cut up by his bitch, Jodie Arias, after she said, "This is for Nina Reiser") !!

Thanks to S. Balmer ... (1)

porky_pig_jr (129948) | about a year ago | (#43375545)

and Windows 8, no doubt.

Apples vs. Oranges (2)

fragMasterFlash (989911) | about a year ago | (#43375641)

Keep in mind the Gartner comparison is in number of units sold. Considering Apple is much more vertically integrated than MS they keep a much larger chunk of the unit selling price and therefore earn substantially more revenue from per device sold. Apple should really start rolling their own server and office productivity software to compete against the remaining MS cash cows.

It's called "moving the goalposts" (4, Insightful)

gman003 (1693318) | about a year ago | (#43375657)

Microsoft "devices" (which apparently means "Windows devices" - mainly laptops, desktops and servers, with a few smartphones and tablets) are being outsold by Apple devices (mainly smartphones, tablets, and laptops, with a handful of desktops and even fewer servers).

In other news, Ford is outselling Airbus in terms of vehicles sold, and India makes more films than America.

Not only is there the whole computer-vs-mobile thing (with mobile being a growing market and actual computers having plateaued), but Microsoft itself is pretty new as a hardware manufacturer. They make Surface RT, Surface Pro, two generations of Xbox, the Zune, and a long series of mice and keyboards. Whereas Apple has been making hardware since day 1. So a more fair comparison would be "hardware sold" and "software sold" (not counting OS copies bundled with the hardware). Bet you it ends up with each winning one.

PS: Doesn't the Xbox count as a "Microsoft device"? TFA doesn't say, but they don't seem to include it. Seems unfair to have "OS X + iOS" versus "Windows" when Microsoft has their own locked-down, walled-garden media-consuming device.

Gartner prediction is not a fact (3, Informative)

mike449 (238450) | about a year ago | (#43375761)

I tried to find data on historical accuracy of predictions by Gartner, but surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be any.
Here is one example (which is actually not that bad): http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/013108-gartner-it-predictions.html?page=1 [networkworld.com]

Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...