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Anonymous' "OpIsrael" Has Little Impact

timothy posted about a year ago | from the hard-target dept.

Politics 136

An anonymous reader writes "The Times Of Israel and AlArabiya.net report that the planned and announced April 7th attack by Anonymous failed to frustrate the Israeli government or its citizens. The country's national Cyber Bureau quipped 'So far it is as was expected, there is hardly any real damage,' Ben Yisrael said. 'Anonymous doesn't have the skills to damage the country's vital infrastructure. And if that was its intention, then it wouldn't have announced the time of attack. It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."

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136 comments

"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43383727)

It is the new Al-CIAda, designed to justify the elimination of the free internet as we once knew it.

Ask yourself, who really benefits from the activities of "Anonymous"? The neocons and the military industrial complex, spreading fear so that we beg for the internet to be regulated and censored.

Don't fall for it.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (4, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43383905)

If this were true, then why would the Israeli propaganda machine be downplaying the effectiveness of the attacks? Instead, you'd expect them to be wailing about the terrible carnage about to be unleashed on society by Anonymous, unless their "cyber-warrior" budgets are immediately increased and a slew of new controls imposed on the internet --- not saying that already existing infrastructure is already 100% effective at preventing real damage.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384035)

If this were true, then why would the Israeli propaganda machine be downplaying the effectiveness of the attacks? Instead, you'd expect them to be wailing about the terrible carnage about to be unleashed on society by Anonymous, unless their "cyber-warrior" budgets are immediately increased and a slew of new controls imposed on the internet --- not saying that already existing infrastructure is already 100% effective at preventing real damage.

...And you clearly don't know enough about Israel or what it is like to live in constant fear.
The last thing they want is to alarm their people.
And they seem to pull it off quite well, look it up. Safest airports in the world, 0 body scanners. Just well trained people.
AND the majority of the country has gone through the required 3 years of military training, so their population does not need to be treated like the sheep that the US population is treated as

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43384587)

Constant fear? I'd be living in constant fear, too - if I were living in a stolen house, where I'd buried the owners' murdered grandmother in the garden.

Anonymous outed 35,000 Mossad "sayanim" [google.com] and operator/assets with the @RedHack team.

That's pretty decent, for a start.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384703)

As bad as you outed yourself on slashdot Jeremiah Cornelius http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 [slashdot.org] pasting that crap in hundreds of posts on slashdot for all of last month by anonymous submissions but slipping up on that one, giving away it was you doing it annoying the rest of us?

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

superwiz (655733) | about a year ago | (#43384949)

I don't think he outed himself by posting his google docs account as much as he did by posting from eponymous slashdot account with account number 137(!!!!). That's about as genuine as anything I would ever trust on the Internet.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43385787)

I didn't do all those.

I wouldn't slip like that. I'd use a different browser, without cookies enabled, specifically to do such crapflooding - were I so inclined.

I was amused by the intersection of so many crapflood and troll memes in ONE post. Seeing the pity that this was -1 Troll, and I had no mod points, I replicated the post to elevate it with my borrowed Karma, that others with more humour than yourself might enjoy.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2)

Apuleius (6901) | about a year ago | (#43384839)

The only people on the planet not livng in a "stolen house" are the Icelanders.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43384915)

I am a firm believer that the US should withdraw from North America.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year ago | (#43387325)

But word on the wire is that the number of "Super sayanim" outed were "Over 9000"

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year ago | (#43384057)

Good point but the possibilities are varied. It might be that the US or some other state wants to throw money at cyberwar prevention (a bogus issue most of the time), so Israeli contractors have one succesfully thwarted attack in their track record.
Or OTOH Israel has some infrastructure problems and that they fake an Anonymous attack to deter other from trying the same.

After all, everybody can impersonate Anonymous.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43384203)

I'm absolutely certain that the US wants to throw money at the boogeyman of cyberwar --- however, they've already got a propaganda line. Look at all the fear-mongering in the media about Chinese hacking; this is the credible enemy of which we are supposed to be terrified. As for deterring a real anonymous attack against vulnerable infrastructure by posing as anonymous --- this seems overly risky, based on the way anonymous functions. Indeed, anyone can pose as anonymous, by announcing upcoming attack plans through the internet forums where anonymous hangs out. If the CIA/Mossad tried to rally a failed attack in this way, there would be far too much risk of inciting the "real" anonymous to show up in typical independent, uncoordinated style and "help" the attack to find the real vulnerable targets.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43384717)

"After all, everybody can impersonate Anonymous."

Really? Can I be anonymous? I don't have to get someone's permission first? I don't need to apply for a permit, or a license? That's just awesome!

Oh - wait - What about that "trusted computing" crap? And government tracking? And, corporate tracking? And, don't forget the proposed laws that would have government and corporations sharing all that tracking information.

Maybe only the computer savvy minorities can be anonymous. Of the people that I know, I really don't think any of them see a real need for anonymity. And, only one of them seems to understand the mechanics of maintaining anonymity. For that matter, I understand a need for anonymity, and I pretty much understand the mechanics. Still - I'm rather careless. A committed investigator could connect a lot, if not all, of my online accounts and identities. Just because Google fails to do so doesn't mean it can't be done.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

marcello_dl (667940) | about a year ago | (#43385027)

Any criminal can. Stolen laptop, open or cracked wireless access point.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year ago | (#43386543)

You seem to have missed the difference between Anonymous [wikipedia.org] and anonymous [reference.com] , the post you replied to was obviously referring to the proper noun.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384143)

If this were true, then why would the Israeli propaganda machine be downplaying the effectiveness of the attacks? Instead, you'd expect them to be wailing about the terrible carnage about to be unleashed on society by Anonymous, unless their "cyber-warrior" budgets are immediately increased and a slew of new controls imposed on the internet --- not saying that already existing infrastructure is already 100% effective at preventing real damage.

The Palestinians are the only side that feels the need to exaggerate the "terrible carnage". Israel calls it like they see it.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384193)

Never attribute to malice (CIA/Mossad conspiracy) that which can be attributed to stupidity (script kiddies pretending to be a in a Gibson novel). Don't do it even if it allows you fulfill the "jew conspiracy" stereotype :p

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

longk (2637033) | about a year ago | (#43384351)

(If this were true) it's about priorities. Sure they would want Anonymous to look strong, but certainly not stronger than Israel.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

superwiz (655733) | about a year ago | (#43385003)

Israel is pretty terrible at managing perceptions. I wouldn't attribute to them this degree of subtlety. For all the talk of the size of the jewish lobby, its effectiveness is pretty abysmal. How else can you explain that Israel (1) doesn't get to define its own capital; (2) doesn't get to lawfully annex East Jerusalem even though it is an acceptable international law that territory conquered in a war can be legally annexed; (3) must answer for building buildings as if it were equivalent to burning down of school children (yes, the media does make that equivalence all the time); (4) must moderate itself in how aggressively it defends itself from those who try to wipe it out? Are my points "israeli propaganda?" Depends on whether true statements can be called propaganda. They can be, of course, (for example, if they are guilty of omission). But nonetheless, the general meme is to not buy these statements as true even though they are. So Israeli PR machine is failing even at selling the truth as true. I'd say that's pretty bad perception management.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384515)

The "israeli propaganda machine" ...? You are speakng of a small country man, this is neither the USSR nor the USA nor the Arab League ...

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43384571)

Even the tiniest tin-pot dictatorships can have noisy propaganda machines (or do you think info from North Korea's state media is truthful?); even larger corporations can flood the media with propaganda. And the Israeli government's propaganda is given free amplification by the US, which makes it by far the most pervasive voice in shaping perceptions about everything that goes on in Israel's section of the world.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

superwiz (655733) | about a year ago | (#43385037)

North Korea doesn't allow free reports roam free across its territory. Israel even allows BBC and Al Jazeera (both state media of hostile regimes) to be report freely. Oh, and for any Brit sycophan, spare me the line about BBC not being a state medium. And if you are feeling like reaching for "you have no idea how..." type of statement.... I do have a pretty good idea as to state medium of any state works. Brits have a history of using propaganda to advance their causes around the globe. BBC is no different despite their perception of independence.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

cavreader (1903280) | about a year ago | (#43385161)

Isreal hardly needs to use propaganda to make their neighbors look like homocidal maniacs who when not screeching about Isreal are busy killing their own citizens. The only thing that unites the entire middle east is their hatred of Isreal. This hatred is used by the governments to deflect attention from their own shortcomings. These are the same governments who really do not want the Isreal-Palestinian conflict to end. They would lose the one thing that they can use to manipulate their citizens. Isreal didn't steal any land they won it fair and square in war. Every country on the planet was established using the same methodology. Isreal enemies basically want a "do over" because all their previous military efforts have failed. The "palestinians" have been kicked out of every country they have tried to enter. They tried to overthrow the Jordanian government and were shown the door in spectaculer fashion. They were the only group of people in the middle east who supported Iraq's takover of Kuwait in 1991. As soon as Kuwait recovered they deported close to 100,000 palestinians. And the people who complain about the US relationship with Isreal need to understand that the US has been the only country capable of restraining Isreali actions. Take away US support and Isreal would have no reason to restrain their military the next time the war flares up. Although it would probably be a good thing because Isreal could then settle matters once and for all.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43385395)

Isreal didn't steal any land they won it fair and square in war.

You really think anything is "won fair and square in war" --- that "I've got bigger weapons and am better at killing your folks than you are mine" justifies "therefore, all your stuff belongs to us"? To you and anyone who shares your "might makes right" philosophy: fuck you. Attitudes like yours make it clear that "homocidal maniacs" aren't exclusive to the "other side."

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43385531)

you forget that it was Isreal that was the one being attacked during the seven days war everyone around them were the aggressors they won land after they were attacked this was hardly they bigger stick situation you describe.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (2)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43385681)

I don't care so much "who started it"* in the playground fight, that doesn't justify the stronger bully walking away with the weaker kid's lunch money, and declaring him his bitch for life. Nor does groups of Palestinians being militarily evicted by other countries justify their plight (being a persecuted loser doesn't make you worthy of said fate either; one might think that more Israelis might have more introspection on that point, given significant facts in their past history).

*) Not that it changes whether or not Israel is justified in taking land by force, but, from the Wikipedia article on the 1967 Six Days war:

The war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields after a period of high tension that included an Israeli raid into the Jordanian-controlled West Bank,[12][13] Israeli initiated aerial clashes over Syrian territory,[14] Syrian artillery attacks against Israeli settlements in the vicinity of the border followed by Israeli response against Syrian positions in the Golan Heights and encroachments of increasing intensity and frequency (initiated by Israel) into the demilitarized zones along the Syrian border[15] and culminating in Egypt blocking the Straits of Tiran.[16] and ordering of the evacuation from the Sinai Peninsula of the U.N. buffer force.

so this was certainly *not* a case of a one-sided offense against Israel's defense; there is no measure by which Israel is not at least a co-aggressor, if not the primary culprit for the war.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

cavreader (1903280) | about a year ago | (#43385793)

The entire conflict between Israel and the palestinians could be resolved if the palestinians and their supporters would come out in the open and offer Isreal the only thing they need, security. No more driving the jews into the sea rhetoric. Remove the intent to destroy Isreal that is stated without reservation in the Hamas charter. Remove the map of Palestine that shows no Isreal that is currently hanging in Abbas office. Silence the so called leaders that live in foreign countries and loudly promote violence against Isreal. These supporters really do not care about the palestinians all they care about is the money they can collect through international donations and the "taxes" collected for any goods moved through the tunnel system. Their main sources of income would go away if the conflict is settled.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384591)

You are speaking of a small country man, that controls countries 10-20 times bigger than itself in 3 continents.

There, I fixed it for you.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386777)

True. But a small country can still be powerful and influential.

Given all the the information collected by our government at each census, just once I'd like for them to release the statistic "average individual wealth by religion".
I wonder who would appear on top?

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | about a year ago | (#43384623)

They very easily could say that externally while internally screaming. Given the amount of funding of their country that comes from the US government, they don't have to tell the public anything at all to get an increase in funding. They've had a blank check from the US for over 50 years.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

cavreader (1903280) | about a year ago | (#43385915)

"They've had a blank check from the US for over 50 years"

No they have not. It was not until 1973 that the US provided military re-supply. To obtain this cooperation required Isreal to issue orders to arm their F-4s and Jericho missile with nukes. The order was announced in the clear to insure everyone knew what they were doing. This is what promted Nixon to agree to resupply Israel.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | about a year ago | (#43386859)

Yes. They have. Israel has been receiving money and food since the Eisenhower administration. Good story though.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | about a year ago | (#43384857)

Maybe they are just goading them in the hopes that some more talented anons come along and really hack them, thus giving them justification for cyber-defence spending.

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43383977)

It is the new Al-CIAda, designed to justify the elimination of the free internet as we once knew it.

Yeah, so you don't know many twenty-something, single, idealistic computer geeks. If they're CIA, the CIA is pretty silly. I suppose that doesn't rule out the possibility of useful idiots, but the idea that the bulk of Anonymous is secret agents appears to be highly unlikely.

Follow without Interprtation by Jewish Media (0)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43385033)

"Jewish" media, eh? (1)

Apuleius (6901) | about a year ago | (#43385399)

Your mask is slipping

"Jewish" media is a BOAST not an accusation (-1, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43385755)

The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.

As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you'd be flipping between "The 700 Club" and "Davey and Goliath" on TV all day.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column [latimes.com]

Let's be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We've got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it's almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be "Tropic Thunder" or "Curb Your Enthusiasm," is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews? But that's not all. We also control the ads that go on those TV shows.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/ [timesofisrael.com]

Re:"Anonymous" is CIA/Mossad (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386233)

It is the new Al-CIAda, designed to justify the elimination of the free internet as we once knew it.

Ask yourself, who really benefits from the activities of "Anonymous"? The neocons and the military industrial complex, spreading fear so that we beg for the internet to be regulated and censored.

Don't fall for it.

*sigh* Of course it is. It can't possibly be immature, short-sighted kiddies taking advantage of easy targets for the notoriety, completely unable to comprehend the long-term policy effects of their actions due to a solipsistic culture that rewards selfishness and impulsiveness for an unattainable anarchic utopia best described as "self-serving", "sophomoric", or "on the same level as junior high self-insert power-fantasy fanfics". That'd just be silly, right? Imagine that, thinking that a bunch of noisy kids with internet connections were wrong about something. Come now! They have internet connections and they agree with internet culture! How could that possibly be wrong?

Noise in the media (3, Insightful)

xushi (740195) | about a year ago | (#43383737)

"It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."

In other words, you're saying they won...

Well done.

Re:Noise in the media (3, Interesting)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43383755)

It's just noise, nothing coherent.

Re:Noise in the media (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about a year ago | (#43383783)

The noise is well-focused.

Re:Noise in the media (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year ago | (#43383795)

That only makes it annoying, it's still just noise.

Re:Noise in the media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385815)

What "well focused noise" ? I haven't read anything anywhere, other than that their attacks failed?

Re:Noise in the media (1)

Forty Two Tenfold (1134125) | about a year ago | (#43386977)

Look at the headline. Much ado about Israel. Got it now, dimwit?

Re:Noise in the media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385113)

It is focused noise.

It is focused at many areas of interest to cause in-fighting and general fighting between opposing groups even more.

But overall, yeah it is noise.

Haha I thought you said Nose in the media (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43383853)

we all know the nose of the jew is dominant in media.

Re:Noise in the media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384101)

"It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."

In other words, you're saying they won...

Well done.

I guess it depends all on the definition of "winning".... I don't see Israel pulling down settlements, etc., so if Anonymous won, what did they win exactly?

Personally, I'm not a big supporter of either side of the conflict. I believe that Israel has the right to exist and have peace within it's internationally recognized borders. Which means, of course, that I disagree with the settlements as they are nothing but a land grab. On the other hand, I also find the Arab stance of "No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel" to be more of a terrorist slogan than that of a people looking for real peace. Granted, both the settlement expansion and the no negotiation tactics are being pushed by extremists on each side, not the everyday person. But, until the extremists are removed from positions of power, the conflict will never end until one side or the other is finally wiped out.

People with good intentions, who are serious about peace, and in power have done their best to end the conflict and find an acceptable resolution with no success. Given this, what exactly does Anonymous, hope to achieve other then to add to the tensions?

Re:Noise in the media (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384791)

the creation of isreal was a land grab. there are still people alive today that remember when the jews came, slaughtered and took what they felt was owed to them. fuck the holier than thou and their evil intentions.

Re:Noise in the media (1, Interesting)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#43384163)

What did Anonymous "win"? Nothing. They simply reaffirmed that they're a bunch of jobless losers living in their mothers' basements who have a hard time getting laid. If that weren't the case, they'd direct their energies elsewhere.

Re:Noise in the media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384285)

The basement-dwelling losers of Anonymous got sidetracked by this [thechive.com] .

Instead of wreaking havoc on Israel, they all logged into /b/ and pretended to be girls from those photos posting "Ask a girl in the IDF anything!" threads, which collapsed in an orgy of demands for "tits or gtfo!"

Re:Noise in the media (1)

russotto (537200) | about a year ago | (#43384435)

Nice. Now here's an idea: impersonate a Palestinian terrorist type in order to get close to a good-looking Israeli secret agent. One of the few times being a neckbearded basement-dweller with poor personal hygiene should actually work in a slashdotter's favor. Of course the end game is waking up in a small cell with electrodes on your genitals, and then not waking up at all, but if you play your cards right maybe you can get something more before that.

Re:Noise in the media (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385783)

Are you really using that argument on Slashdot?

Duh (3, Interesting)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year ago | (#43383739)

I don't see why Anonymous would have succeeded where morenskilled groups in China and Russia have failed.

Re:Duh (2)

servognome (738846) | about a year ago | (#43384053)

Because they hack for great justice, and good always wins. Don't you read comics?

Re:Duh (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about a year ago | (#43385345)

Implying that angry mobs are either "just" or "good".

The Sequel (1)

Jericho Whiplash (2874539) | about a year ago | (#43383811)

This make for great Zohan sequel - Zohan II : Rockem Sockem Butachem!

Anon never stood a chance (5, Funny)

ReallyEvilCanine (991886) | about a year ago | (#43383865)

Israel doesn't have pizza delivery.

Re:Anon never stood a chance (0)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#43384189)

Israel doesn't have pizza delivery.

Sure it does [pizzaidf.org] , but probably not to Anonymous members. :)

Seriously... I've ordered pizza in Jerusalem. But the Israeli pizza tends to be thin-crust like the European versions and not as yummy IMO as our North American pizza.

Re:Anon never stood a chance (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384245)

American pizza's aren't yummy, they're just lard covered dough balls dipped in lard...
oh that's right, you've ruined your palet with fat because you're a fat head -__-

Re:Anon never stood a chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386831)

It's true that it is hard to find good pizza outside of the New York/NJ/Philly area (and even there you have to know where to go as there is an abundance of crappy pizzarias), but I've never heard of anyone dipping pizza in lard or otherwise frying it. I don't doubt someone somewhere has done it, but it is by no means commonplace.

What you do see, especially in the midwest, is absurdly thick-crusted pizza topped with excessive amounts of meat. Then there's California with all their weird toppings and sauces... some of it is tasty, but I don't consider it pizza.

Re:Anon never stood a chance (1)

tenco (773732) | about a year ago | (#43384481)

Thin crust not yummy? You have a lot to learn, young padawan.

Re:Anon never stood a chance (3, Funny)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#43384561)

Infidel! Now you understand why there is war in the Middle East. You thin-crusters must be eliminated by the will of the Flying Spaghetti Monster; we thick-crusters alone have truth on our side!!!

Re:Anon never stood a chance (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385095)

Hey! Our pizza is perfectly fine!

Re:Anon never stood a chance (1)

Dog-Cow (21281) | about a year ago | (#43384895)

That might have been funnier if it were not the fact that just about every single hole-in-the-wall pizza joint in Israel offers delivery.

Re:Anon never stood a chance (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385509)

umm bad security , I thought the whole idea of 'The Wall' was no holes

Re:Anon never stood a chance (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | about a year ago | (#43385847)

I would hope so, as they don't have the space to permit dine-in.

Israel doesn't have pizza delivery? (1)

managerialslime (739286) | about a year ago | (#43385127)

Israel doesn't have pizza delivery.

Sure it does. When I was in Israel 4 years ago, I saw Domino's Pizza delivery via scooter in Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and in Haifa.

Palestinians? (4, Interesting)

jodido (1052890) | about a year ago | (#43383883)

"Anonymous" claims to be acting against Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. Did they consult with any Palestinians about this attack? Or do they share the official Israeli point of view, that Palestinians are not worthy of their own point of view?

Re:Palestinians? (0)

osu-neko (2604) | about a year ago | (#43383911)

"Anonymous" claims to be acting against Israeli oppression of the Palestinians. Did they consult with any Palestinians about this attack? Or do they share the official Israeli point of view, that Palestinians are not worthy of their own point of view?

I'm sure the answer to both questions is, "No."

Re:Palestinians? (1)

longk (2637033) | about a year ago | (#43384395)

This kind of "help" occurs all the time though. I'm forced to buy health insurance in my own country, even though foreign plans would cover me just as well at a lower cost. I'm forced to pay for my retirement fund even though I've already provided for my days as a senior through other investments. Hell, I'm forced to fasten my goddamn seatbelt! Not that I wouldn't use it, but I certainly haven't been given any choice in the matter!

Re:Palestinians? (1)

gtall (79522) | about a year ago | (#43384615)

You are not being forced to pay for your retirement, you are being forced to pay for the current crop of seniors. Not to worry though, Grandma can come and live with you, right?

Psychop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43383927)

Why would they announce a day? I mean if you're going to deface a website, you're telling them the day to check their website! The heads-up makes no sense! It screams disinformation. The webadmin knows to turn on full logging for that day, and check the website, maybe even load it into a VM. Why the headsup??

Why on earth would anyone care if a government website is down? Really? I mean as attacks go that's not even a token attack, it's a completely pointless attack! If they defaced a website, so what it probably just gave an Israeli or two a chuckle. Make their day a little happier. Motive is weak.

If it was actually from anonymous (doubtful, the word 'Zionist' flags it as false), and they really don't like Israel, then just boycott Israeli goods and services and the companies with strong Israel ties? That BDS campaign I read about on Slashdot the other day:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3615015&cid=43357875

That sounds like a far more effective solution, and without all the cloak and dagger nonsense.

Re:Psychop (1)

AlphaWolf_HK (692722) | about a year ago | (#43386621)

It's called being a script kiddie. Anonymous is just a gang of them. Script kiddies can be dangerous, even though they aren't as smart as they'd like you to believe.

/. title maker fail (2)

semi-extrinsic (1997002) | about a year ago | (#43383953)

Whoever dropped the ball on the title should be sacked. I mean, you seriously missed the opportunity for "Anonymous \"OpIsrael\" Is Not Very Effective"??

Dumb idea (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384059)

Israeli special forces is known for finding a-holes like this and killing them quietly, wherever they are and up to decades later. I imagine a bunch of Anonymous go dark if they actually pulled something like this off. Anon doesn't understand the ring they're stepping into- serious shit- not spray painting a billboard, haha funny joke- no, this is kinetic- "we'll murder you at 2am when we track you down three years later" shit.

Re:Dumb idea (2)

dskoll (99328) | about a year ago | (#43384197)

I doubt that a few defaced web sites or a barely-noticeable DDoS would concern the IDF or Mossad. Anonymous are like a bunch of virtually-unnoticeable gnats; Israel has real security concerns like rockets from Gaza and instability in Syria to worry about.

Re:Dumb idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384581)

Rather than crowing about the state terror you describe, why not stand against it?

Re:Dumb idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384613)

No need to say.

Israel is based and created by the terrorist foundations like Irgun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks [wikipedia.org]

A weird response on the part of the Israelis... (1)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | about a year ago | (#43384315)

[Cyber Bureau bureaucrat] Ben Yisrael said. 'Anonymous doesn't have the skills to damage the country's vital infrastructure. And if that was its intention, then it wouldn't have announced the time of attack. It wants to create noise in the media about issues that are close to its heart,' he said."

On the one hand, a challenge response...on the other hand, a political response designed to defuse.

I guess they're soliciting a mixed response to their response.

Beyond the bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384387)

1. Israel has no magic internet defences any more than anyone else does. They wouldn't fare any better than some of the countries and companies did a few years ago i.e. they would notice and would either have to spend resources on mitigation or wait it out.
1.b. The Israeli official or whatnot isn't only full of shit but doesn't know anything technical about the internet.

2. The obvious conclusion is that the vast majority of the people who are willing and able to be part of Anonymous didn't participate.
2.b. "OpIsrael" simply learned as many before them that Anonymous is not their private army. Suddenly they could get a lot of support but they didn't this time around, the hive is fickle as it should be.
2.c. Obviously not all that many are against Israel right now and/or don't care for either Israelis or Palestinians or the Middle East. It doesn't matter what media and pundits think.
2.d. Most Anonymous members are likely not semites, arabs, or persians but instead very likely white.

No surprises so far :)

Re:Beyond the bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384505)

I should add that "OpIsrael" isn't recent, pretty sure I saw them in the channel list in 2010 or 2011. They've never gotten any traction as far as I know so far and maybe there's something to learn from that? For comparison "OpTunisia" (or OpTunis or whatever) went from creation to "full tilt", "over 9000", "total retard", etc. within two days.

Main Impact of "OpIsrael" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384455)

It seems like the major impact of this attack has been to mess up a website for children with cancer. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/166808#.UWGaIb9gLZd

Guess Anonymous has now joined with Palestinian woman who said, after an Israeli hospital saved her baby's life, that her greatest hope was for her son to grow up to become a "martyr".

Anonywhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384529)

Anonymous are supposed to be an apolitial institution. Now,they aren't credible anymore. They are fucking wankers, how do you want them to hurt a sovereign state. Wankers will still be wankerz.

they also seem to have been hacked themselves (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384743)

http://www.opisrael.com/ is playing Hatikvah, Israel's national anthem all day today.

MAJOR FINANCIAL IMPACT FROM #OpIsrael (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43384763)

This is nonsense. Have you even looked at the Tel-Avi Stock Exchange website?
The attack is ongoing and has already had a major financial impact!

http://www.tase.co.il/Heb/Pages/Homepage.aspx
http://www.cyberwarnews.info/2013/04/08/attacks-on-israel-creating-major-financial-loss-from-opisrael-v2

Utterly pathetic. (4, Insightful)

Apuleius (6901) | about a year ago | (#43384983)

One of the big scores for Anonymous was that they defaced the page for Adalah.

Adalah is an organization providing probono legal help to Israeli minority citizens for discrimination cases.

Way to go, Anonymous. What a bunch of fuckwits.

(Added style points for starting this op on Holocaust Memorial Day, and trying to DDOS Yad Vashem.
And for getting this op led by a citizen of Mauritania, the one remaining country that still has slavery.)

And then some. (2)

Apuleius (6901) | about a year ago | (#43385195)

I'm listening on IRC right now, and these twatwaffles just got trolled into DDOSing Sakhnin College, an Arabic trade school.

It's funny to see these idiots fall for it, but Sakhnin's students are probabl having an annoying day.

Way to go, Anonymous.

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386089)

any publicly open channel you are 'listening to' [are] a bunch of fuckwits.. infiltrated by the cia, fbi, the mainstream media and normal armchair commentators/criticizer/dumbasses such as yourself. This is why those channels are public so things like this can influence your week mind and sway your fragile opinions. granted there are your nomal skiddies and attention whore seekers that hang in those publicly know 'anonymous' channels as well. All in all though, It's really a crock of shit. Any well trained vigilante knows this and would never expose themselves to this psy-op that will be used as justification to lock down the internet from "cyber attacks" and used as an example.

however those who have the real goods do not publicize it via anonymous often, hang out in "anonymous" irc channels (try private key connection only guys and never connecting to a network from any personal identifiable source) - but we do horde all of the knowledge/loot to ourselves so that ungrateful zionist's such as yourself site there pompously and arrogantly criticizing any form of resistance to the tyranny of the world upheld by private bankers, zionists, and the military industrial complex get to see how primitive you really are compared to the great minds who run the internet (and yes we run this shit) - and in the end you and israel get shitted on. we lurk in the underground and if we choose to be part of 'anonymous' once in a while we do so, anonymously.

but as far as the public version of anonymous there's been some decent leaks to you (ungrateful) bottom feeder hang round's if you've been paying attention the last year or 2 [veteranstoday.com]

Im sure those students are having a really annoying sunday when they are all at the mosque (not the brightest bulb in the box are you? but im sure you got some sympathy from your shithole observance ) You actually personify the pervasive ignorance that has infected the internet. either that or you are just another dumb blind zionist repeater bot.

and... (1)

Apuleius (6901) | about a year ago | (#43386281)

any publicly open channel you are 'listening to' [are] a bunch of fuckwits.. infiltrated by the cia, fbi, the mainstream media and normal armchair commentators/criticizer/dumbasses such as yourself.

No shit, Sherlock.

That didn't stop the Anonymous twatwaffles from DDOSing Sakhnin College. And I checked: it fell off the web shortl afterwards.

Im sure those students are having a really annoying sunday when they are all at the mosque

Sunday's a regular workday in Israel, dumbass. Including in the Arabic schools.

Re:Utterly pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385235)

Israel treats the its living Holocaust survivors like shit. They should be feted as heros.

Re:Utterly pathetic. (2)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about a year ago | (#43385663)

One of the big scores for Anonymous was that they defaced the page for Adalah.

Adalah is an organization providing probono legal help to Israeli minority citizens for discrimination cases.

Way to go, Anonymous. What a bunch of fuckwits.

(Added style points for starting this op on Holocaust Memorial Day, and trying to DDOS Yad Vashem.
And for getting this op led by a citizen of Mauritania, the one remaining country that still has slavery.)

Mauritania heard Moses was coming to free some slaves, and part some seas!

But really, this Israel hate is laughable. People see the Israelis as invaders who locked out the Palestinians, yet the same people seem to never care that equal or greater numbers of Jews were banished from the multitude of Arab lands they called home for centuries.

Two wrongs != right, but one of them is often forgotten. I sympathize with the criticism, but not the outright hostility.

I can't wait for the Israelis to take the blame when Syria burns completely and Lebanon is set alight.

Re:Utterly pathetic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386153)

Actually, the first diaspora was caused by the Babylonians, while the second was the Romans. And to be fair to the Romans, the Jews of the time were in a fairly constant state of open rebellion for over a century before the destruction of the second temple, and continued to revolt for decades after until they were driven from Israel.

The Arabs did, however, begin the wars in '46, refusing to live along side their Jewish neighbors and seeking to drive them out of Israel.

As far as starting wars on Jewish holidays, there's sadly nothing new there - the Yom Kippur War was started on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

Re:Utterly pathetic. (1)

jodido (1052890) | about a year ago | (#43385953)

As I noted previously, I doubted that Anonymous consulted with any of the Palestinians they claim to be supporting, and this proves it.

No surprises (0)

JockTroll (996521) | about a year ago | (#43385063)

Anonymous' pathetic little "operations" failed against Amazon. They will keep failing. This is not the '90s anymore, they might have gotten someone by surprises but in the 21st Century the advantage goes to those who have the better resources - and those aren't the script kiddies. Corporations and nation states have more digital power than any wannabe "hacker". The glory days are gone. Meatspace shits on cyberspace every given sunday.

More like no impact (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385157)

I really don't understand what Anonymous is attempting to achieve here. They can't possibly believe they can actually destroy our entire internet infrastructure, even temporarily. And it's not like the websites they deface wait patiently until they finish defacing all other Israel websites to fix themselves up. Even as they DDoS one site the previous ones are coming back up. In fact, so far today, I haven't been "denied" any "service" I regularly use.

I've looked at the one of our ISP's network graph, and it doesn't look any different than... well, ever.

anonymous is a joke (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385361)

It's clear that anonymous is just a bunch of script kiddies that have no real power or impact on the real world. They may strut and fret about the stag of life but do little if nothing to improve their own condition.

Is it even anonymous? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43385795)

I read somewhere (on the internets, so it must be true) that it wasn't even anonymous, or 'the loose, amorphous coalition' that sometimes acts in the name anonymous. The bigger issue for Israel, I would imagine would be state actors (Iran, Russia, China) or non-state actors backed by state actors (i.e. Hezbollah-Iran, Al Qaeda-Saudi Arabia).

Shocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386285)

Websites were DDOSed and gay porn was shared far and wide.

Q,E,D, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43386355)

Hey, hacker dummies, these are Jews you're attacking. They have won more than one-quarter of all Nobel Prizes.
Even your sneak attacks reveal that you are over-matched.

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