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Microsoft Abandoning Windows (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387907)

This is a sure sign that Microsoft is abandoning windows. I base this on exhibit A http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/03/17/1914209/microsoft-to-abandon-windows-phone where slashdot covered end of life products relating to Microsoft abandoning entire platforms.

Re:Microsoft Abandoning Windows (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388149)

More a sign that the world is abandoning Microsoft.

Microsoft Corporation (MSFT): Windows 8 Has Failed, Now What?

The rise of tablets and smartphones has shaken up the once dominant “Wintel” PC paradigm. In an attempt to re-establish its supremacy, Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) designed Windows 8 to be a hybrid operating system, useful on a variety of platforms.
But Windows 8 adoption has been poor -- consumers seem baffled by the changes. Meanwhile, Windows tablets are selling poorly, and Windows Phone remains in fourth place.

http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/microsoft-corporation-msft-windows-8-has-failed-now-what-110483/ [insidermonkey.com]

Is this the point in time.. (5, Interesting)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387909)

.. where people finally say:

"I'd rather have software that works than software that's supported?"

Because it's about time.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387959)

It's not going to work when it gets riddled with malware because of unpatched remote exploits.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (3, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387969)

It already is riddled with malware. Windows 7 and 8 still struggle with it. It's time to simply throw the entire thing out and start over with a more secure base (such as BSD/Linux)

Re:Is this the point in time.. (4, Informative)

siride (974284) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388021)

lol

Yet another Linux fanboi who doesn't really know anything about security or security models assuming that the Unix model is ipso facto better. Sure, the Windows shell has promoted a culture of insecurity, but the underlying model is far more advanced than what traditional Unix has to offer. Linux still has plenty of security exploits, but they aren't often well publicized because of the heterogeneous nature of Linux distributions and the fact that these exploits generally affect a smaller number of people (because so few people use Linux in the same environments that Windows is used).

FWIW, in 2013, there have been 73 CVEs for Linux, 41 for Windows XP and 47 for Windows 7.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (2, Interesting)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388043)

FWIW, in 2013, there have been 73 CVEs for Linux, 41 for Windows XP and 47 for Windows 7.

Meanwhile, almost every non-technical Windows user I know has been hit by malware of some kind, while no Linux user I know ever has.

Re: Is this the point in time.. (5, Insightful)

Chris Flores (2890687) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388097)

Now imagine that non-technical user on a different OS. Probably would get the same results....it's a user problem, not an OS problem. They are the ones that click on the African prince email links.

Re: Is this the point in time.. (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388119)

Now imagine that non-technical user on a different OS. Probably would get the same results....it's a user problem, not an OS problem.

While that's true to an extent, most of them aren't installing 'Nigerian Kitty Screen Savers', they're just browsing the web and ending up infected through some remote Windows exploit.

Re: Is this the point in time.. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388325)

...no, the vast majority of malware for a very long time on all OSes has been through social engineering.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388129)

You mean the type of non technical user that would run a shell script as root if the instruction on some forum told them so?

Re:Is this the point in time.. (1)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388145)

So you think they're becoming infected on Windows by opening a command prompt and running random DOS commands because someone tells them to?

Re:Is this the point in time.. (5, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388225)

Ipso facto? You want an ipso facto? For a few years prior to, and after the release of XP, I tried to keep three sons and a wife on computers. It proved to be nearly impossible. There were constant problems with viruses. Tons of malware, some of it installed by the likes of Compaq.

I finally converted the wife to Linux. My "service calls" to her computer have been for things like failed hard drives, and "Where can I find an application to do blah blah?" Not a single virus. Not one malware. One scare involving Wine, but no lost or corrupted data, no infestations.

Did the wife suddenly grow technically savvy, overnight? Hardly.

Despite the claimed superiority of Windows security - only the tech savvy seem to maintain a healthy Windows environment. But, a housewife who doesn't understand the differences between file systems can keep a Linux installation running for years, with very little technical support from anyone else.

Ipso facto - Linux has done something better than Windows. I think it's due to diversity, as much as anything. You may believe it's due to relatively low numbers of users. Whatever - Windows is ultimately less secure than any Unix-like which I'm aware of.

When XP has become history, then we'll see how the numbers stack up.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (2)

mysidia (191772) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388269)

the underlying model is far more advanced than what traditional Unix has to offer.

No. That's exactly what part of makes Windows so insecure.

The security model is so "advanced", convoluted, and complicated, that the implementation cannot possibly be correct in any realistic universe.

There are so many errors and holes in Windows' implementation of security, AND holes in administrator practices, that you are pretty much guaranteed things will be insecure.

Yeah, you can do fancy things like run different services as unprivileged users. What does the average admin wind up doing, when installing software?

Accepting insecure defaults... run the application as administrator... run the service as LOCAL SYSTEM, etc.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (3)

lars_boegild_thomsen (632303) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388329)

Well, perhaps the problem is that the Windows security model is too advanced? I have yet to meet a Windows administrator that really understood those models, while I am fairly certain that any UNIX/Linux admin understand the OS security models in-depth.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (1)

rickb928 (945187) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388065)

I'll probably upgrade my last XP machine.

Probably to Ubuntu. The X41 Tablet is not worthy of Windows 7 or 8. And Ubuntu will be an upgrade.

THAT is starting over with a more secure base. See how easy that is.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (1)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388137)

It already is riddled with malware. Windows 7 and 8 still struggle with it. It's time to simply throw the entire thing out and start over with a more secure base (such as BSD/Linux)

So throw the old crap away and build it again upon old crap?

Re:Is this the point in time.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388279)

If any bsd/nix had the marketshare of windows. It too would be a mess.

As it stands plenty of bsd/nix servers get owned on a regular basis. And these are setup and managed by supposedly PROFESSIONAL people for MONEY.. This is often their JOB... It's not just some guy on his home pc... And you STILL have problems with exploits and ownage on a serious scale...

Really on a scale for scale % comparison.. bsd/nix sucks ass compared to windows...

Theres no one size fits all solution. And there never will be. I don't know why the bsd/linux zealots think there is. We need to fix what we have and secure it best we can. Because throwing it all out and starting over is not an option at this point. And the largest reason is shown here on this story. People LIKE xp. They know xp. They're familiar with it. It works pretty good. it's fairly stable. And it runs everything they want.

Microsoft has no fucking clue anymore... So we the geeks need to step up and 'support' xp. Because it's not going away anytime soon.
Its not an optimal solution. But it's the only one we're gonna have.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (5, Insightful)

linebackn (131821) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388063)

> It's not going to work when it gets riddled with malware because of unpatched remote exploits.

Take a look at whatever latest OS you are currently running. Is it bug and exploit free? If you think it is, then come back in a year and there likely will be a long list of vulnerabilities found during that time. And they didn't just magically appear, most of these vulnerabilities are in your OS RIGHT NOW and there is a good chance the bad guys have known about them for quite a while too.

Even a brand new Windows 7/8/Blue or Mac or Linux shouldn't just be thrown on the net without some extra precautions.

With good practices, and and extra precautions, even Windows 95 can be "secure". Many people will choose to take this path, manage security themselves, and continue to happily run Windows XP.

Re:Windows 95 (5, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388163)

Actually Windows 95 is becomming secure because it is so obscure and limited that most current attacks are unable to run on it. Attacks that used to run on it are pretty much dead, much like Stoned for DOS is now officially no longer a threat to anyone. I remember seeing the article about a year ago, so sorry no current link to the story.

Re:Windows 95 (4, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388195)

^^this.

If you're still running 16bit DOS, your machines are highly malware resistant today. I know of no virus or malware circulating currently that will infect your machine.

Re:Windows 95 (1)

mysidia (191772) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388285)

They are resistant to the average malware. They are not resistant to a targetted attack from a hacker practiced in social engineering, and sufficiently skilled to look up one of the old exploits, or to write their own trojan.

Re:Windows 95 (3, Informative)

pwizard2 (920421) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388287)

Does Windows 95 even run on modern hardware? I remember that getting Windows 98 SE to work in a virtual machine was a pain in the ass even after I found a floppy image that worked (b/c Microsoft in their infinite wisdom didn't or couldn't make a bootable CD image back in the day) because it didn't recognize any of the VM hardware and everything barely worked at the lowest-common-denominator level. For instance, the best video support I could get was 16-color 640x480 (i.e. absolute shit). Forget about sound or network access. I'm guessing the only reason why the Win98 installer found the blank hard disk file at all is because VMware was propping everything up and making it work behind the scenes. Hell, you couldn't install Win95 on a brand new PC without resorting to some kind of USB boot disk trickery because most new machines don't even have floppy drives anymore.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (0)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388213)

With good practices, and and extra precautions, even Windows 95 can be "secure".

How? By removing the modem and/or Ethernet card? By leaving it powered off?

But seriously, Windows 95 is so dead by this point that it is probably reasonably "secure." As in, where WinXP gets owned remotely by a worm in two minutes, Win95 might take five.

Re:Is this the point in time.. (1)

mysidia (191772) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388237)

There are already plenty of unpatched remote exploits already. There is this thing called a firewall, host intrusion prevention system (HIPS) software, and possibly application-based white listing.

The security issues with XP can be mitigated, without Microsoft's help, pretty much, just as well as with Microsoft's help.

Now what's harder to deal with is, the problem of new hardware coming out, that XP has not been extended to support...

Australia (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387911)

Looks like they're going to be in for an interesting XPerience.

If they have to struggle... (2)

John.Banister (1291556) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387915)

Perhaps some will struggle to migrate to a non-Microsoft environment and avoid the recurrence of this particular struggle next time.

Re:If they have to struggle... (1)

Eskarel (565631) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388227)

And replace it with what exactly? How far back does RedHat actively support, or any Linux provider for that matter. I sincerely doubt anyone is providing free commercial support for decade old versions of their OS.

The bigger issue for corporations is actually licensing anyway, and that was caused by Windows 8. Windows comes with a minus two version license which up until last year allowed everyone to install XP on a machine they bought with Windows 7 without paying anything extra. New equipment is now coming with Win 8 installed on it which only allows you to go back to Vista unless you pay extra per machine or have software assurance.

Not Supported ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387923)

XP will no longer be "supported" but it will certainly still be used by 10's of millions of computers a year from now (and two, and three, and more). It's also a certainty that a stationary "unsupported" target will get a lot of attention by exploits and black hats.

Re:Not Supported ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388125)

Why not just push a final patch for XP which disables networking while having a public IP-address? Or at least push a patch to harden it a great deal more, like disabling stupid background services and replacing old browsers? I understand if people don't want to buy a new computer when their old one "works just fine", but there are plenty of ways to adapt the OS so that it becomes less of a threat to other computers on the Internet without crippling it.

On the other hand, there are two types of Windows users... People whose computers never get infected, and people whose computers almost need to have their HDDs replaced because of all infections. The same goes for XP-users, so if there are uninfected XP-installations out there then they are unlikely to become infected. If they are already infected, then hardening them won't help...

Re:Not Supported ... (3, Insightful)

guzzirider (551141) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388141)

The question is, what happens when M$ turns off the XP license server. If you try to reload with a valid key, how do you get it to activate ?? ...Is this the First M$ product going out of 'support' that needs this ??

Re:Not Supported ... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388289)

people will use cracked installs just like they do now or they will use program that fakes a vaildation. just look to the game drm systems and how people get around it there.

It's easy! (5, Insightful)

Moppusan (2837753) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387927)

XP -> 7 is entirely worth it. I'm no IT professional and don't know the logistics of it all but when I upgraded it was like day and night. I really don't understand the slow uptake to 7. Laziness? XP to Vista I understand, Vista was a pile of poopy fart poops. But 7 is a breeze and if I may boldly say in my experience even more reliable than XP. Of course, I could be letting the odd obscure legacy program go over my head but still... 7. 7 7 7 7 7. Did I mention 7?

Re:It's easy! (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387935)

I really don't understand the slow uptake to 7.

Because XP does everything most people want and there's no compelling reason to switch?

Re:It's easy! (2)

isopropanol (1936936) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387979)

Not so easy when it's an entire company with no real IT planning and everyone has random programs and random data that all needs to work for everyone to do their job.

Re:It's easy! (1)

Brett Buck (811747) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387983)

Because it breaks a bunch of stuff.

Re:It's easy! (1)

Antarell (930241) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388023)

Well if "stuff" was created properly it either shouldn't break, except for drivers. Software shouldn't break if it's written properly instead of using undocumented procedures?!

Re:It's easy! (1)

0123456 (636235) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388059)

Software shouldn't break if it's written properly instead of using undocumented procedures?!

Uh, yeah.

Meanwhile, we're talking about Windows, where 'if it works, ship it' is the order of the day. Lots of things that worked on Windows 95 or XP break on 7 (for example, I have to run many old games as administrator because they write to the Program Files directory).

Re:It's easy! (1)

GumphMaster (772693) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388093)

So? Knowing that stuff "created properly" just works does not make the stuff you actually have work. There are plenty of applications people actually have with various issues, most often is simply writing in now-protected or moved locations, and replacing them costs money... real money. If there's no prospect that replacing them will bring in more real money, or save real money, then it is an uphill battle in many business organisations.

Re:It's easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388131)

Sorry - was that supposed to be a sarcastic jab at MS, or are you really that naive?

There's tons of stuff that MS supported and encouraged in 1999... and that now doesn't work because support got dropped (mostly in the change to Windows 7).

Sometimes you have to bet on a service or technology to stay in the game. I have friends who've started ventures based on Google products that got cancelled a year later. There's no way to know what tech or APIs or whatever will survive, and sometimes you'll get burned.

Re:It's easy! (1)

Bill Dimm (463823) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388205)

I can't speak to breakage in Windows 7, but Windows 8 flat-out removes the IFilter technology that older version of Windows provided, which allowed third-party software to extract text from various file formats to do things like build desktop search technologies. From here [microsoft.com]:

Indexing Service is no longer supported as of Windows XP and is unavailable for use as of Windows 8.

So, "created properly" really doesn't guarantee that it will work on future versions of Windows unless you assume that "properly" means that you have a crystal ball and can tell which technologies Microsoft will discard in the future.

Re:It's easy! (3, Interesting)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388011)

" I'm no IT professional and don't know the logistics of it all but when I upgraded it was like day and night. I really don't understand the slow uptake to 7. Laziness?"

Core 2 duo computers are the oldest pc that can run windows 7 with any sort of acceptable slowness. Computers cost money. You do not have to be an IT professional to do the math here. We have plenty of pentium 4s in my environment still. No one wants to buy a brand new pc for some intern or browsing the web and basic word processing when XP runs perfectly well on those same p4s.

Re:It's easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388169)

Yes. Windows 7 is better except it's slower than XP. This is very noticeable on P4s. WTF. I don't understand why it's so much slower.

I hate that the requirements go up when functionality hasn't improved that much, but that's software for you. Microsoft and Apple can't seem to stop bloat, but I think graphics drivers are part of the problem. Drivers for new OSs are probably not optimized for old hardware.

I hope we never get to the point where an Ivy Bridge CPUis required so that the OS is responsive, but I will not be surprised when that happens, sigh...

Re:It's easy! (4, Interesting)

T-Bone-T (1048702) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388253)

I put a clean install of 7 on my 2003 laptop with a 2.4Ghz P4 and it ran faster than it did with a clean install of XP. Aero didn't work but I never expected it to. Vista, on the other hand, was pretty slow.

Re:It's easy! (0)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388037)

The Windows 7 interface is worse and infinitely more annoying to use (just look at the dialogs to shut down). Customizing the interface is riddled with problems (getting the splash screen to not be crap was a minor crisis, not to mention early tri-booting with XP and Ubuntu, or things like disablingntouchpads now requiring admin rights when they used to not). It is no safer, the registry is still there, it supports less software, and I had to upgrade my hardware two generations to get games playing at the same quality and frame rate as XP.

What good reasons are there to switch to 7?

I use 7 now only because my XP HDD failed, and I can afford to be lazy about reinstalling since Linux Mint is my primary OS (and what an OS it is!).

Re:It's easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388107)

The Windows 7 interface is worse and infinitely more annoying to use

It is essentially the same interface windows has had since 1995. If you get confused going from xp -> 7, then you must get confused going from Fords to Toyotas.

or things like disablingntouchpads now requiring admin rights when they used to not)

requiring admin rights to disable one of the primary methods of input is a BAD thing? Also, admin access was default in XP so nobody likely knew the difference anyway.

it supports less software

there are very few things that work on XP that don't work on 7. Most of those are incredibly old one-offs. Speaking of which Windows 7 will actually handle a lot of Windows 9x era software way better than XP will. If you're talking about Windows 64bit not supporting win16 software... I don't even know where to begin.

and I had to upgrade my hardware two generations to get games playing at the same quality and frame rate as XP.

you're doing something horribly horribly wrong. I can't even imagine what, but you need to start over.

I use 7 now only because my XP HDD failed, and I can afford to be lazy about reinstalling since Linux Mint is my primary OS (and what an OS it is!).

MINT is your primary OS and you're bitching about 7's interface customization? Wow. Just... Wow. Cinnamon has got to be the buggiest UI I've ever touched. Sure it'll let you configure anything and everything you want! just don't expect it to work right ever again as soon as you change it from default.

Re:It's easy! (2)

PrimaryConsult (1546585) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388295)

What dialog to shut down? There is none in 7! If you mean because some program is holding things open that's the fault of software not properly handling the shut down signal... and XP would warn for the same things.

Customizing the splash screen? I hadn't tried... I haven't had to reboot except for updates, because the sleep/resume works flawlessly (unlike XP).

It's more convenient because there are a lot of good drivers for 7 in Windows Update... like my ancient HP printer.

I like the desktop background slideshow (a feature KDE has had for ages, finally implemented in a mainstream OS) and widgets.

It is safer because of UAC - being able to arbitrarily deny a program admin rights even when running as an Administrator.
And keep in mind the slowdown which afflicts XP machines after a few years, usually remedied by an OS reinstall or a plethora of shady "registry cleaner" programs... nothing of the sort necessary with 7.

And do you actually feel that scrolling through your XP start menu was better than Windows key+start typing+hit enter?

I hold on to OSes too, I kept 2000 until support ended, and I had XP 64bit until early 2011... but IMO Windows 7 is the best OS Microsoft has ever made. I cheered when they upgraded our work laptops.

As for Linux Mint, I 100% agree that it is an amazing OS. I just tried it out in a VM (initially was looking for a nice KDE based distro, found I enjoyed Cinnamon) and I think it's going to replace the OEM Vista install on my aging laptop... not even a factory reset with bloatware omitted could get Vista to be bearable.

Re:It's easy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388071)

"I'm no IT professional" is all you need to know. Become a net/sysadmin for a major company still utilizing XP, then provide us with your expert analysis, not the other way around.

"Hi, I don't really understand the situation, but I'm going to have an opinion on the matter and stand by it." One of the masses, ladies and gentlemen.

Re:It's easy! (1)

nametaken (610866) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388081)

Laziness? XP to Vista I understand, Vista was a pile of poopy fart poops. But 7 [is] even more reliable than XP.

You don't have to qualify your impressions like you did... that's pretty much what everyone would say in IT department too. Verbatim.

Re:It's easy! (1)

Pentium100 (1240090) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388083)

I will upgrade to 7 (because Bioshock Infinite does not run on XP), but first I will upgrade my PC, even though the old one would be able to run the game. The reason is that it will be really inconvenient to move to another OS (because over the 5 years I have used this PC I made many little settings I forgot about, installed a lot of little programs) and for that I need to have the old and new OS running at the same time so I can use the new OS, but if I have some problem and am in a hurry I can just use the old OS to do whatever I need to.

Also, having a new PC with 12 core CPU (and an empty socket for another such CPU for a future upgrade) will offset the inconvenience of reinstalled Windows. Hopefully Windows 7 will last longer than 5 years from now (I do not care about the official support from MS, just the game/software support).

When I upgraded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388179)

1. Copy is incredibly slow now. It does a 'calculating' step which is insanely slow.
2. I dragged a shortcut from the desk to the bin, and waited and waited and waited.... WTF is that, it takes forever to delete something?
3. Copy big hundred meg files to flash, decide its too slow, cancel, says 'cancelling'.... but still goes on and on and on. Looks like they can't even cancel part way through a large file??? (programmer is a moron)
4. Interface similar.
5. 'Set as Desktop image' in context menu next to Preview, causes repeated accidental porn desktops.
6. Doesn't work with my network, can't figure out why it can't see shares and refuses to talk to the network printer.

On the plus side,
Viewing folders as large tiles is nice.
erm, faster startup is nice, I'm struggling already. Snap I guess is nice, but I only use it to maximize, which was already a button on XP.

Night and day? No, it's a minor incremental upgrade with a few issues. I view you as an astroturfer from your comment. I notice that when 7 came out, and Vista had failed, you guys all switched to dissing Vista, as if you couldn't make 7 good, so you pretended Vista stunk. The reality is neither OS really adds much. They're both minor tweaks and it just isn't worth doing an upgrade for tweaks.

My Canon scanner didn't support Windows 7, I had to get a new one. Upgrades always are a pain.

I got 7 because it came with the computer, my XP computer was nearing its end (disk problems, SD card reader was way old and didn't read SDHC, I'd forgotten it even had a fax modem, 100mbps network etc. old hardware). But I don't think Windows 7 is much different from XP. I think people aren't bothering to upgrade a working computer and Windows 7 isn't an improvement enough to make them.

Now that Windows 8 is out, well, I guess you turfers will be telling us Windows 9 is fantastic, and 8 stunk in the not too distant future.

Re:It's easy! (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388243)

7 doesn't always run well on the same hardware. If the existing hardware performs satisfactorily, there is no real reason to upgrade. When the hardware craps out, then it's time to upgrade.

Who calls MS for support? (5, Funny)

AmazingRuss (555076) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387929)

I have never heard of anyone doing this.

Re:Who calls MS for support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387957)

And along with support goes any type of security update... Everr install a windows xp machine and hook it up to the net without a firewall without updates?

Virus in 3..2..1..

That will be every xp machine in the world as soon as the first venerability is found after the support date ends....

really any business that runs a network connected XP box after the support date will have problems.. guaranteed

Re:Who calls MS for support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388255)

How does that work when MS only fixes exploits once a month. I don't get your point...

Re:Who calls MS for support? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388187)

The only people who call MS support are MSPs and shops which depend on Microsoft's products working on their servers. They don't call for support on desktop issues, usually - it's usually more cost effective to just wipe it and put a newly imaged system out. No, it's the 'big ticket' systems - mail, DNS, web servers, etc. - that get all the support calls to MS.

Re:Who calls MS for support? (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388321)

I have. Their god damn servers decided to label my copy of Windows XP Pro as "non-genuine" and refused to activate it after it was installed a certain number of times--on the same fucking computer. Needless to say, it was a nightmare trying to understand the foreign person and trying to get the person to understand me. He couldn't speak English worth shit. The guy insisted that I speak every single fucking letter with a word for an example. Every. Single. Fucking. One. With a 26-character key, that was seemingly endless torture. It made me feel like a retard who had to attend Kindergarten again.

All I can say is, if you use Microsoft products, pray that you never, ever have to contact Microsoft's tech support staff. It can be pure hell. I had to go through similar bullshit when trying to "correct" Xbox 360 Red Ring of Death problems. On occasion you might get a person who is nice, fluent in English and overall very helpful, but don't bet on it. And if you do get lucky, you'd better hope your problem is fully solved, because chances are the next time you won't be so lucky. The only company that can potentially top Microsoft for "worst tech support ever" or AT&T. I cringe at all the trouble AT&T has caused, and their complete incompetence and inability to fix *any* of their many fuck-ups.

Linux Desktop. (1)

Compaqt (1758360) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387931)

OK, it's become a joke now, but seriously, if we get our act together, we can have a viable replacement for XP for people who just want to browse, email, skype, google, play music, and the like. That's 90% of what people do.

Yeah, line-of-business apps. Except that people don't run those at home.

Even though I like Unity (the LTS version, not the braindead initial versions), I'd have to say a classic Mint desktop is likely to be more familiar to an XP refugee.

Re:Linux Desktop. (1)

guruevi (827432) | 1 year,15 days | (#43387971)

Anything is good enough for that, people are buying tablets for that reason which 99% of them run a *nix version at the core anyway.

Yep. Linux on track to outsell Windows by 2014 (2)

raymorris (2726007) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388217)

Indeed, the year of the Linux desktop was 2011/2012. Some of us just didn't notice because the GUI was neither Gnome nor KDE, but Android. By 1014 people will be buying more Android devices than Windows devices.

"Is an Android device a computer?", you might ask. An Vista machine with a dual core 1.3 GHz processor and a GB of RAM is always counted as a computer, so I see no reason why a machine with the same specs running Linux, Android or any other distribution, isn't also a computer. So the way I see it, there's soon to be more Linux computers than Windows computers. They're just a lot more portable than we expected.

Re:Linux Desktop. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388167)

" people who just want to browse, email, skype, google, play music, and the like."

It's called the iPad.

Or, for 80% less money, any Android device (1)

raymorris (2726007) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388229)

It's called the iPad

If you choose to throw away your money and your freedom. You could also pay 1/5th as much for a similar Android device for the same use case.

Re: Linux Desktop. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388299)

Not trying to be mean but face it, 5 years from now people are still going to prefer XP to whatever Linux desktop is available. People are gong to continue to use XP regardless of security patches and only move away from it once they buy a new PC which will probably be running Windows 9. The idea of them migrating all of thier data to some DIY Linux desktop that they themselves have to setup is a fairy tale.

WinXP won't die. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387933)

WinXP won't die. There is not a good replacement.

Re:WinXP won't die. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388189)

Windows 7.

Windows 8 is even less than Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387945)

Take a look, Windows 8 is less than Windows Vista.

Microsoft should just BUY Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387949)

Why not continue this story with further 'count down' stories?

ANYTHING to push another MS related post to the FP. Every day/week. We can't live here at /. without MS stories!

Has there been a new Microsoft related post today?

Of course!

Let's all celebrate proprietary monopolies!

Let's replace the Microsoft logo, which used to be a Borg logo, with a friendly Care Bear with the Windows logo on his chest! Let's market these toys so we all have Microsoft Care Bears on us all of the time - with bluetooth! When we rub his belly a beam shoots across the room to the latest Slashdot story about another Microsoft news or not news happening!

Dell and HP should sell out to MS: Why not own the OEMs?

Finally:

Spanish Linux users launch legal challenge to Microsoftâ(TM)s secure boot

@ http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/31499/spanish-linux-users-launch-legal-challenge-to-microsofts-secure-boot/ [infosecuri...gazine.com]
@@ http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/24199/rsa-2012-malware-gets-the-boot-in-windows-8-notes-charney [infosecuri...gazine.com]
@@ http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/26/us-microsoft-eu-idUSBRE92P0E120130326 [reuters.com]
@@ http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Secure-Boot-complaint-filed-against-Microsoft-1830714.html [h-online.com]
@@ http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getAllAnswers.do?reference=E-2013-000162&language=EN [europa.eu]
@@ http://www.hispalinux.es/node/758 [hispalinux.es]
@@@ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51329950/ns/business-us_business/t/exclusive-open-software-group-files-complaint-eu-against-microsoft/ [nbcnews.com]
@@@ http://newyork.newsday.com/business/technology/microsoft-target-of-hispalinux-open-source-software-users-in-complaint-to-eu-1.4909950 [newsday.com]
@@@ http://www.mobilenapps.com/articles/8058/20130327/linux-users-file-complaint-against-microsoft-over-secure-boot-windows.htm [mobilenapps.com]
@@@ http://rcpmag.com/articles/2013/04/01/spanish-complaint-windows-8-secure-boot.aspx [rcpmag.com]
@@@ http://www.eitb.com/en/news/technology/detail/1297786/hispalinux-microsoft--hispalinux-files-complaint-microsoft/ [eitb.com]

Lock yourself in, boys! (At the BIOS level) We're in for a heck of a ride!

Mark me troll because you know it's true and you enjoy lying to yourself.

"LOOKS LIKE MEAT IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS!"

The logo for MS should be a plate of Soylent Green and a rainbow behind it.

From my cold dead hands (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387961)

That's when you'll pry XP from me and my corporate cronies.

MS support as common as tooth fairy (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43387999)

I don't know of anyone who has ever received support from MS, personal, corporate or any other kind. The closest you get to receiving support is spending entire days waiting on hold. I conclude that MS support is a myth spread for purposes of PR.

Shutting down a mythical service is a very good idea. It's pointless to waste money on something that doesn't exist.

Re:MS support as common as tooth fairy (1)

xombo (628858) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388123)

Support is in reference to updates for security patches.
In one year, any flaws discovered in Windows XP will go unpatched by Microsoft.

Re:MS support as common as tooth fairy (1)

mysidia (191772) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388315)

Microsoft does also provide telephone support. I don't know what kind of experience they provide for end users with a desktop FPP / retail consumers, but they seem to handle business critical issues impacting the desktops, at the organization wide / Enterprise Agreement license level, without a lot of time on hold.

Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu :) (0)

gQuigs (913879) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388003)

I have a couple potential takers already. Microsoft really messed up with Windows 8 because people are really looking for alternatives. It's been nice to have people ask, "What other choices do I have?"

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (2)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388101)

What other choices do I have?

Mac's are light years ahead of Ubuntu and Ubuntu is moving backwards. There's only one realistic answer to that question.

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (1)

linebackn (131821) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388203)

Mac's are light years ahead of Ubuntu and Ubuntu is moving backwards. There's only one realistic answer to that question.

Yes, ReactOS! :]

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (1)

Technician (215283) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388209)

If you don't like the direction Ubuntu is moving, try Mint instead. I have a machine on Ubuntu for the same reason many people have Windows XP. It runs their favorite aps and there are no binaries for Mint for many packages yet. I'm also running Mint and loving it.

It is easier to set up network printers in Ubuntu. It's easier to get Jack and synths working in Mint. Sorry Ubuntu Studio, you crash Jack on my hardware. Both run Audacity fine. Mint has trouble running RoseGarden. Installed it but can't find it in the menu.

Not everything works OK on Windows without tweaks either, so the above minor issues are not a showstopper. It runs my aps without flooding the desktop with ads and trialware, the biggest timewasters in Windows. Windows is clogged to death out of the box.

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388223)

I've got a dual boot Mint/OS X laptop.
When I want to do Apple dev I'm stuck using OS X.
For everything else I always choose Mint.
Mint 14 with Cinnamon is a thing of beauty.
I pity da fool using anything else.

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388157)

In your nerd dreams will that happen. Not trolling, I'm trying to ground you into reality.

Re:Great time to switch those computers to Ubuntu (1)

linebackn (131821) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388175)

It's been nice to have people ask, "What other choices do I have?"

An even better question they should be asking is "What other choices WILL I have?". Obvious to some, it is becoming more obvious to the masses that Microsoft has no intention of backing down from what it has done with Windows 8. Windows 9/10/11 etc, will be more of the same if not worse.

What options will you have 10 years from now when you need to do a critical desktop computing oriented task - tasks such as spread sheets and word processing that were what brought about the revolution in personal computing in the first place - but there are no more desktops because Microsoft killed them all?

Aftermarket Support? (1)

rueger (210566) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388077)

It strikes me that there's a niche here for someone to offer similar support once MS drops XP. Just as there are any number of aftermarket suppliers for auto parts, I can imagine companies that will serve up regular security updates, compatibility patches, and similar goodies for a price.

If your company runs a couple thousand XP boxes, what kind of annual subscription would you be willing to pay to keep them going?

Re:Aftermarket Support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388117)

suport in the context means Security patches, not "how do I do abc task" type support.

task support will be available through a multituide of places, but that's not what this is about.

Additionally, once Microsoft "drop support", you can bet third party developers stop supporting their stuff on XP ( support doesn't mean not not work however, just its not tested and you are on your own)

Windows market share? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388085)

According to the these numbers, all version of Windows add up to a... 91.86 market share? Good gawd!

MS won't sell or support XP anymore? (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388103)

It's only logical that they lose all property 'rights' to it.

Re:MS won't sell or support XP anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388181)

And clearly not even you even know WTF your sentence means.

Challenge: Explain what you mean.

Go blue in the face! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388139)

I already took the plunge as a small business owner to Windows 8, and will be upgrading to blue when released!

But will business be ready (1)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388165)

Well, I don't think our work site will be ready. We haven't started migrating off of XP yet and we still have systems running NT 4. I wonder how this matches up with our government mandate that we be moving to IPv6. HA!

Time for ReactOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43388191)

ReactOS might be able to drum up some commercial support now. It's a fine concept, that's if it doesn't get smashed by MS.

Macs (0, Offtopic)

jones_supa (887896) | 1 year,15 days | (#43388211)

As Microsoft trumps on with its Modern UI strategy, I expect Macs to increase in popularity among those who still respect a classic desktop experience.
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