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Microsoft: Facebook Home Is a Copycat, Windows Phone Is the 'Real Thing'

Unknown Lamer posted 1 year,15 days | from the our-interface-sucked-first dept.

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colinneagle writes "Frank X. Shaw, VP of Corporate Communications at Microsoft, did not seem happy about Facebook's Home announcement when he wrote, 'I tuned into the coverage of the Facebook Home event yesterday and actually had to check my calendar a few times. Not to see if it was still April Fools Day, but to see if it was somehow still 2011. Because the content of the presentation was remarkably similar to the launch event we did for Windows Phone two years ago.' Shaw also posted Microsoft's 'Put people first with Windows Phone 7.5' video before writing, 'We understand why Facebook would want to find a way to bring similar functionality to a platform that is sadly lacking it.'"

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Children, children... (5, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396331)

There's no need to fight, you BOTH suck.

Re:Children, children... (5, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396465)

Indeed. This seems more like a battle for a hill so small neither can stand on it.

Re:Children, children... (5, Insightful)

rtb61 (674572) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396871)

No the Facebook product is quite different. You have to stop thinking of yourself as the typical user and think about the real typical user. I would be concerned for Facebook addicts and this device that makes addiction simpler, quite a few people are going to find themselves in serious psychological trouble. The unrealities of who and who are not really friends, competition in perceived social acceptance and distortion of self image, makes this device and the actual greed driven intent behind this device in it's application quite nasty. Designed from the get go to be psychologically addictive for those susceptible to it. Facebook have demonstrated how nasty they are and how aggressively they will target those vulnerable to their manipulations. To be clear I did go through that whole laborious process of deleting my account because it became apparent how privacy invasive they truly were and definitely not to be trusted.

Re:Children, children... (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397119)

Indeed. This seems more like a battle for a hill so small neither can stand on it.

Worse than that. Facebook puked up yet-another-UI-twist on top of their giant dataset that keeps people coming back through all the UI twists and Microsoft attempted to take credit for the design.

When was the last time somebody said something nice about Facebook's UI/UX? They're like the Ebay of social networking: network effects are very strongly in their favor; but everyone spends all their time loathing them for everything else. Why would Microsoft do anything but distance themselves from that?

Re:Children, children... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396501)

This was just a terrifically bad idea on Shaw's part. Desperately pleading that you did something first so you should get some attention is never going to win you sales or good PR. That said, it doesn't seem like Microsoft really has any other strategy (except perhaps for their video game market, where they bought their relevance.)

Re:Children, children... (4, Interesting)

Grishnakh (216268) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396733)

Have you ever known Microsoft to do anything really intelligent to win good PR and sales? Every one of their marketing campaigns has been a complete debacle (remember the people running around in MSN butterfly outfits? Or the commercial for Microsoft SongSmith?). I don't know where MS gets their marketing people, but they're probably the worst in the Fortune 500.

Re:Children, children... (1)

ganjadude (952775) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397131)

videogames? they are talking about needing a consistant internet connection for their next console to even work. with a 60% give or take broadband access in this country (usa) they are screwing themselves with that. Hell i hate sony after they took my linux from me on my PS3, and i didnt ever expect to want to buy a sony system again, but if M$ is always on a la steam (which is ok because tis a computer running a service, not a console with 1 use..well main use) i might seriously consider pushing all my people back to sony with the PS4 over MS (wiiU is cool , but like the Wii, its not really fair to compare it to the M$ or sony offerings., spec wise

Re:Children, children... (1, Informative)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397243)

Steam requiring an always-on connection? Last time I checked my portfolio, few of them require a connection at all (ok, aside of getting the game in the first place, of course), and none require a connection throughout the period you're playing. Unless of course it's a multiplayer game that obviously needs a connection with the other players...

Re:Children, children... (0)

cgenman (325138) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397361)

Games that require an always-on connection will still require one whether or not they're on Steam. Steam itself has an Offline mode which is a bit of a buggy hassle, [howtogeek.com] but can make subway rides / airplane flights pleasantly less introspective.

Re:Children, children... (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397145)

This was just a terrifically bad idea on Shaw's part. Desperately pleading that you did something first so you should get some attention is never going to win you sales or good PR. That said, it doesn't seem like Microsoft really has any other strategy (except perhaps for their video game market, where they bought their relevance.)

It seems doubly foolish because Facebook appears to be aiming 'Home' at terribly unexciting Android handsets, including some already in the field that may be upgrade-able(if you can call it that). Is 'the competitor's product that will soon be on sale for peanuts-after-contract, or even downloadable for free, is totally just like ours!!!' really the message you want out there?

Re:Children, children... (0)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397219)

Pretty much this. If you did something first and nobody noticed it, well, then I guess your product or your marketing SUCKED.

And you have to hand it to MS, their marketing is near perfect, sooooooo...

Re:Children, children... (1)

Culture20 (968837) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396877)

And we hate both of them equally and for the same reasons: bad software, spying on users, and we're required to use them due to social or work obligations. Some of us need to use Windows for games, and some of our family members need to use Facebook for games.

Re:Children, children... (4, Funny)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397063)

Regarding facebook games... This has turned into the primary reason the stove timer is backed up by the smoke alarm.

beep... beep... beep... beep... beep...

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

"Sounds like dinner's ready."

Re:Children, children... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397205)

Pretty much my sentiment when I read it.

What happened to good ol' competition and let the better product win? Or, in this time, the product that sucks less?

I know, I know, it's anathema in this corporate world where competition is equaled to patent infringement.

Who in their right mind copies WinMobile? (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397291)

Jeez, might as well just break out the blueprints for the Edsel while they're at it and wash the ride down with some New Coke.

Sounds good, Microsoft (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396369)

Your platform is unique, just like everybody else's.

I'm there (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396373)

And here's number 1.

So, a real turd (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396383)

Or a copy of a real turd. Tough call.

Re:So, a real turd (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397285)

Or a copy of a real turd. Tough call.

But when you figure out which one is the original, make sure you give Microsoft the credit for it.

because microsoft is always completely original (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396385)

Last time I checked everything microsoft has ever done is remarkably similar to things others have been doing for years.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396433)

Of course, when running on Android, the user actually has the ability to *remove* the damn thing.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (3)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397259)

...at least as long as FB doesn't strike a deal with his carrier and makes it part of the non-removable shitpile that clogs most pre-loaded phones these days.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (1)

ArhcAngel (247594) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397637)

Well the question has already been asked and answered as far the the First is concerned so yes you can install the launcher of your choosing.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396809)

would you like to give an example of something that is actually completely original in the tech industry. Cause the kinect is the best i can come up with, an even that is just a super charged wii (which is just an air mouse).

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (4, Interesting)

alen (225700) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396859)

the kinect was originally made up by an israeli defense contractor
they pitched it to apple first but didn't want to sign NDA's and agreements not to pitch it to anyone else even if apple refused it
MS loved it and took it on to develop it further

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (1)

ganjadude (952775) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397147)

im no M$ fan,. but so??? they DID bring the tech to the masses. its like that guy you always hear about who made a car that runs on water, even if true, if he cant sell it, it dont really matter now does it?

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397173)

would you like to give an example of something that is actually completely original in the tech industry. Cause the kinect is the best i can come up with, an even that is just a super charged wii (which is just an air mouse).

As alen notes, 'kinect' was licensed from a 3rd party outfit(though it cost a hell of a lot more before MS started stamping units out, that's for sure...). Architecturally, though, it is totally different from the wiimote(which, itself, was the combination of not-novel parts from two main suppliers, the accelerometers and the IR sensor module; but it also had the virtue of bringing those parts into the range of affordable).

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (0)

Goaway (82658) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396839)

What was it Metro was similar to, again?

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396945)

In spirit, the Zune. In use, see above.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (3, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397039)

What was it Metro was similar to, again?

Widgets, but less attractive, more annoying, and more difficult to turn the hell off.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397385)

Zune interface + WebOS cards.

Re:because microsoft is always completely original (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397477)

A grid of icons? Applications that take up the full screen?
Never seen that before.
Anyway, I'm not saying that everything MS ever did is shit, I use their OS all the time.
I'm just saying that they really shouldn't be complaining about people imitating them.

windows phone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396403)

2 years shadow
not seen in a window
unless light is shone
on this facebook clone
burma shave

Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396407)

It's no the first time that people claim concepts as their own, I'm sure there is a 2 man show somewhere who did their 'put people first' campaign for ... their lawnmower... repairs garage. But being a top player in the tech space, in such a short time, and having the same tag line is a bit weak.

But even weaker is all the coverage of people going 'what if your friends are ugly?' ... trust me, if your friends are ugly, repulse you enough you don't want to see them at all, just a hint, they aren't friends. I have a windows phone, have tiles for groups of friends (family, extended family, friends near me, old friends) ... and when I go back to an iOS or droid device for a few days to check it out, i can't deal with the lack of information about the people I care about. it's the existing future of how people will want their devices to behave.

Re:Exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396575)

It's no the first time that people claim concepts as their own,

perfect quote for this article.
Mark Zuckerberg stole facebook or the idea at least; court says he didn't, common sense shows he did.
I for one don't trust Mark Zuckerberg, there's nothing I feel he wouldn't sell for a buck, or steal for that matter.

Dear Microsoft ... (2, Insightful)

domulys (1431537) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396409)

Dear Microsoft,

Facebook tolerates you. It is thanks to them that you remain relevant. E.g., when Facebook Graph Search can't find a particular item, it currently defaults to Bing... but, that can easily change. Please, pretty please, just give them a reason to reconsider their allegiances, and I am sure they will happily discard you like the dead skin off a snake.

Never forget that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Besides, if Facebook has taught us anything, it's that regardless of who had the idea first, it's execution ultimately that matters. If you have to tell people that you've won, you've lost.

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396451)

"regardless of who had the idea first, it's execution ultimately that matters" you learned that from facebook and not apple? O.o

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396493)

if Facebook has taught us anything, it's that regardless of who had the idea first, it's execution ultimately that matters.

I think it taught us whoever gets to the customer first and never lets them export their data ultimately owns the customer.

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (1, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396711)

Facebook tolerates you. It is thanks to them that you remain relevant.

Riiight... the company that sells the OS used by 95%+ of all computers on the planet needs the latest fad website to stay relevant.... Riiiight...

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (2, Insightful)

chipschap (1444407) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396861)

Uh... maybe 90% or whatever % of desktops/laptops, but NOT of devices ... Android and iOS are beating Microsoft ... in the new upcoming world of computing and with the fading of the PC, Microsoft will indeed have to work to stay relevant.

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397249)

if by computers you mean consumer grade notebook/desktop and totally ignore embedded devices(all oses), unix flavors, linux desktops. the bsd family, routers/firewalls, phones smart or dumb, tablets, tv set chips, etc. well the wider view is that microsoft is in the minority, and it has been that way for a long time. they just happened to break the law to get there for 'normal' desktop computing. i've heard a lot of hype about gaming, but seriously until microsoft got the xbox every previous gaming console came from a non microsoft shop.

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396819)

yeah lets wait and see how popular face book home is.

Re:Dear Microsoft ... (1)

oztiks (921504) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397663)

It's a bit of a "need you need me" sentiment FaceBook Maps and Translate features are Bing driven, what alternative is there for FB? Google?

Hum?! Am I missing something? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396413)

Both suck, but saying that facebook copied windows phone is like saying a lawnmower is a F1 sports car!

Microsoft still owns over 1% of facebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396439)

Is that $1.3 billion stake small enough that it is OK to lambaste FB, or will Frank Shaw find himself in hot water? http://whoownsfacebook.com/

Microsoft v Facebook (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396529)

Whoever loses, we win.

Re:Microsoft v Facebook (3, Funny)

c (8461) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397305)

Whoever loses, we win.

The only way it could get better would be for the two of them to partner up and build a Facebook Windows Phone. Called the "Kinzune".

Somebody call the whaaaambulance! (4, Informative)

sootman (158191) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396601)

Are they also upset that they invented the Tablet PC in 2002 and then Apple ate their lunch eight years later by actually delivering it in an appealing form factor that people actually wanted ? "Waaah, waaah, we were fiiiiirst!" Apple learned that "first" doesn't always equal success, but they quit whining about it and did something about it instead. Worked out pretty well for them.

Chanting this in the hallways... (5, Interesting)

SethJohnson (112166) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396775)

Are they also upset that they invented the Tablet PC in 2002 and then Apple ate their lunch eight years later by actually delivering it in an appealing form factor that people actually wanted ?

I'm not sure how you're sourcing this, but this is actually a very accurate depiction of Microsoft's deluded perspective. A couple of years ago, a friend of mine was working as a consultant on some projects with Microsoft and was flying to Redmond frequently. I asked him if the people he was working with were feeling disillusioned about where they've been heading and their prospects against the competition. He related that they were proud that their company had already invented the tablet several years ago.

Internally, they must be bragging about that as a morale-booster or something in the face of pretty daunting prospects for what they're working on now.

Seth

Re:Somebody call the whaaaambulance! (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396883)

Sorry to burst even that bubble. Not to mention Alan Kay's Dynabook concept that goes around for almost 40 years, there's several projects for tablet pc, one example being OMI-NewsPAD (yes, it's a reference to the NewsPad in 2001: A Space Odyssey), a project for a tablet pc in the European Union, test trials ran from 1996 to 1997 (and the project itself started in 1994).
Later, but still in the 90's Intel announced the WebPad (1999).

And then comes the always late but "we invented it all!!!" Microsoft in 2002. And we all know how that went...

Re:Somebody call the whaaaambulance! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397227)

It wasn't a 'first' then either(If we really want to go way back, the SAGE guys were pen-computing during the cold war, and getting 99% uptime on vacuum tubes; more recent examples were things like the GRiDpad in 1989, and Go's PenPoint OS); but MS has been dabbling in tablet-like things since "Windows for Pen Computing" was released for Win3.1. They've just been not-succeeding at it for that long.

Companies are becoming like political parties (4, Interesting)

Morgaine (4316) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396613)

[No axe to grind since I use neither MS nor FB ...]

Stories like this one remind me of politicians playing party politics and slagging off everything the opposition does and says instead of focusing on whether it's a good idea or not.

It seems that long gone are the days when the top companies competed on product and politics was (ostensibly) about doing the best for the nation. Doing good work has become quite secondary to politicking (in the worst sense of the word) in both areas.

Re: Companies are becoming like political parties (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397367)

Unfortunately, you're talking about a world that never was, my friend.

Re:Companies are becoming like political parties (1)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397393)

Well, duh. Of course they are. After all, they put up the politicians you then may vote for. That's the beauty of democracy.

NIH (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396625)

Microsoft is just mad that they were too caught up in Not Invented Here syndrome that they did not think of embracing Android and building on top of it like Facebook did. So much money wasted reimplementing a whole mobile operating system when they could have just built Windows Phone as a custom UI on Android.

Oddly enough (1)

hsmith (818216) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396741)

I fully expect Facebook to sell more copies of their mobile phone than WP8... Not saying either is good. I suspect MS is bitter.

Re:Oddly enough (-1, Offtopic)

DogDude (805747) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396771)

The Windows Phone is definitely the best on the market right now. It'll catch up to the other two shortly. I don't know who would want a Facebook phone.

Re:Oddly enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396865)

Hahahaha! Oh wait, you're serious.

Re:Oddly enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396961)

The Windows Phone is definitely the best on the market right now.

Yes yes, it shows....

Re:Oddly enough (1)

ganjadude (952775) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397187)

i dont use a windows phone, but the truth is its not horrible. from my limited use of WP8, i found it way more usable that an IOS device minus the app store issue (which also happened with android in the begining.)

Re:Oddly enough (1)

smash (1351) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397325)

How is it the best? If you dont think anyone would want a facebook phone, you've clearly had nothing to do with women.

Windows Passion (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396847)

Nobody is excited about Windows phones. There is no passion for the platform. But its not not just Windows phones.

I think the game is up for Microsoft. They are delivering some amazing things now but nobody can see it. I'm not saying that everyone is blind, but Microsoft has lost our attention. Top SQL admins are moving to SQL 2012, but out side of them, I don't see much. Organizations are just now making the move to Windows 7. That's a good 3 years of a good product lost. Server 2012 is the most significant server OS they have ever released, yet nobody is excited about it. Windows 8 Phone is actually a good product, the hard part is getting it into people's hands. Windows 8 start screen actually works well with the Surface Pro, just not on any real computers. (Sorry MS, I gave that start screen an honest try but it has to go on my desktop/laptop)

I know I come across as a fanatic for writing this, but every IT group that is a Microsoft shop should be this passionate about the new stuff. The fact that they are not should be a big issue for Microsoft.

Re: Windows Passion (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397153)

Good points. Otoh. iPhone and droid are each showing strains. FB is pissing off users.

I remember when sgi/IBM was the debate. Both fell.

Truth is its a more open game than we think.

Re:Windows Passion (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397329)

I think the game is up for Microsoft.

The game isn't up, but their heyday seems to be past.

I heard a speaker a while back who had a view of waves in the digital industry. There was IBM. Then there was DEC. Then there was Microsoft. Then there was Amazon. Then there was Face book. Next there will be...?

Many of the "old" ones are still around, and still huge businesses. They just aren't viewed as the hot item / trendsetter anymore.

Apple is the real thing (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43396881)

30 years ago
Seriously, Microsoft has just been copying the longest and thought they could get away with it

What ever happened to professionalism and respect? (5, Insightful)

jellyfoo (2865315) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396889)

Seriously, I'm getting fucking tired of companies slagging off at each other, with either aggressive or passive aggressive comments made between various CEOs or VPs or whoever thinks they're important enough to get the spotlight for a few minutes.

Make good stuff that people want. If a competitor is doing something that's risks drawing attention away from your stuff, don't act like children. Just shut the fuck up and present something even better. If you feel you have to acknowledge the competition, do it with some old-fashioned class for goodness sake. This bickering gets old extremely fast.

Re: What ever happened to professionalism and resp (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397161)

Well if they are following their CEO's example, then what do you expect? Remember it was Ballmer who boldly predicted Apple would never see the iPhone in any significant numbers. Today it makes more money for Apple than all of MS products. Steve Jobs was a prick but he was right more often than not.

Re:What ever happened to professionalism and respe (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397335)

Seriously, I'm getting fucking tired of companies slagging off at each other, with either aggressive or passive aggressive comments made between various CEOs or VPs or whoever thinks they're important enough to get the spotlight for a few minutes.

What do you expect them to do? Innovate, and sell us stuff that's actually useful?

Nah, that's too much trouble.

Re:What ever happened to professionalism and respe (1)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397349)

Relax. As long as they aim at each other, at least they're not bothering their customers.

Unbelievable... (1)

technomom (444378) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396933)

Could Microsoft possibly be any more butthurt over this?

Re:Unbelievable... (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396991)

More butthurt than the VP of Corporate Communications writing something about it on his personal blog?

Yes, it is very possible to be more butthurt than that.

Re:Unbelievable... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397237)

Yeah, Ballsy could be throwing chairs over it...oh, wait...maybe he is...

real thing (2)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,15 days | (#43396997)

Ok, compared to whatever Facebook Home is, I'm willing to stipulate that Windows Phone is the real thing.

The question that immediately comes to mind is, the real what?

Re:real thing (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397339)

Ok, compared to whatever Facebook Home is, I'm willing to stipulate that Windows Phone is the real thing.

The question that immediately comes to mind is, the real what?

The real attempt to be the latest gimmick that everyone thinks they have to have.

Re:real thing (1)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397341)

Does that really matter? You have two companies here who fight over who has the biggest, only problem is that what they're comparing is tumors.

Re:real thing (1)

roc97007 (608802) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397407)

Does that really matter? You have two companies here who fight over who has the biggest, only problem is that what they're comparing is tumors.

Brilliant. That is my new favorite quote. :-)

Re:real thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,15 days | (#43397401)

Pile o' poo...

True (2)

Taantric (2587965) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397061)

Microsoft has the right of way on this one. Anyone who has used Windows Phone for the last couple of years can spot the lovingly copied design in Facebook Home aka Death of Privacy.

"But I was here first" (1)

Opportunist (166417) | 1 year,15 days | (#43397321)

It never meant anything. Doesn't mean anything to the bully at the movies who takes your seat, didn't mean anything to the settlers when the natives told them.

Besides, MS, how does it feel to be on the other side of "But I did that first, he just copied me!" for a change?

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