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Microsoft Game Director Adam Orth Resigns Following Xbox Comments

timothy posted 1 year,6 days | from the just-don't-get-it dept.

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DavidGilbert99 writes "According to anonymous sources, Microsoft's game director Adam Orth has left the company following a series of comments on Twitter about the rumoured always-on aspect of the next generation Xbox console. It is still unclear if Orth left voluntarily or was pushed out but either way it's not good news for Microsoft." If you'd prefer your news without obnoxious auto-playing video ads (with sound!), IGN reports Orth's departure, too.

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Fantastic. (5, Insightful)

popoutman (189497) | 1 year,6 days | (#43421333)

This is one appropriate course of action for someone in that position that made those comments. However it should have been treated publicly as a firing offence though instead of a graceful exit, as most companies I know would have seen these communications as an example of gross incompetence and would have treated accordingly.

Re:Fantastic. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#43421339)

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Re:Fantastic. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,6 days | (#43421367)

Translation:

I like it when corporations fuck me in the ass. As a good corporate citizen, it's my duty to let corporations screw my hinder at every given opportunity. They have the right to control every aspect of my life and even MORE as an employee.

Please, dear corporation, FUCK ME HARD!

--corporate blowhard.

Re:Fantastic. (4, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421649)

If Orth had been a rank-and-file developer, then firing him for these comments would have been overkill. But he's in a management role high enough in the Xbox hierarchy that anything he says in public might be interpreted as representing the company's official position. For someone like this, generating good PR is actually supposed to be a part of their job – and he obviously isn't any good at that. In Stan Lee's immortal words, with great power there must always come great responsibility.

Re:Fantastic. (4, Insightful)

nitehawk214 (222219) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421837)

If a rank and file employee says "deal with it" to their customers on a very public forum, and it generates large amount of negative media buzz, you can damn well bet they are going to be fired.

Re:Fantastic. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421991)

If a rank and file employee says "deal with it" to their customers on a very public forum, and it generates large amount of negative media buzz, you can damn well bet they are going to be fired.

You're not understanding this. When you speak as a representative of a company, you can (and often will) be fired for saying the wrong things. If a rank and file employee makes such a comment and is NOT speaking as a company Rep, they won't get fired. There also won't be any buzz because as a rank and file employee, nobody will really know (or care) if you work for that company or not.
But when you're in a position like this guy was, any thing you say publicly will be treated as if it was an official company statement, so you can be fired even if you didn't mean it to be public.

Re:Fantastic. (4, Insightful)

spleck (312109) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421889)

Exactly. He had "Microsoft Studios Creative Director" as his title on Twitter. If you don't want to appear to be speaking for the company you work for, don't slap your title on there.

Re:Fantastic. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422041)

In Stan Lee's immortal words, with great power there must always come great responsibility

With great power comes great current squared times resistance

Re:Fantastic. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421897)

LOL.

Don't buy shit that corporation can fuck you with.

Also, don't cry if it's what you like.

Re:Fantastic. (4, Insightful)

gameboyhippo (827141) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421809)

Sometimes a person can be both gracious and just. Nobody is perfect and will make mistakes in their career. So if we would not like to be publically humiliated, why call on Microsoft to publically humiliate Orth? So what if it's a PR disaster. Things happen.

If you're just upset about Microsoft's always on DRM, then buy a Wii U or PS4.

Re:Fantastic. (5, Insightful)

ozmanjusri (601766) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421915)

why call on Microsoft to publically humiliate Orth?

Exactly. he deserves our support, not this tarring and feathering. At least he was honest and said what others at Microsoft clearly thought and intended, but were too sly to admit publicly. Those sly, dishonest people are the only ones who've been damaged by his comments..

Thanks to him, potential buyers of this product know what they're facing. Any potential customers here should be thanking him for giving them the heads-up.

Re:Fantastic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422075)

He was a bit of a pompous ass if you ask me.

Dislcaimer: I have no interest in microsoft products either way.

Re:Fantastic. (1)

poetmatt (793785) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422065)

This is absolutely and entirely incorrect. Nobody pushed MS to do anything, they chose to do it on their own. They could have left him with the company.

Orth deserves no support here. He said the most intellectually dishonest things that could possibly be said. That's not defensible.

Re:Fantastic. (2)

ozmanjusri (601766) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422155)

He said the most intellectually dishonest things that could possibly be said.

What did he say that was more intellectually dishonest than;

“we apologize for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday. This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers.”

Are you sure you're not getting things mixed up here?

Re:Fantastic. (1)

shadowrat (1069614) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422271)

Orth deserves no support here. He said the most intellectually dishonest things that could possibly be said. That's not defensible.

I don't see it as intellectually dishonest. What Orth said is probably EXACTLY what the company thinks when consumers complain about it. They pushed him out because he was too honest.

What do you think is going to happen now? The internet connection requirement is going to vanish from xbox? that Orth was somehow the evil genius behind it all? Now that he's gone the rest of microsoft will start singing ding dong the witch is dead and only do what is in our best interest? No. it's still there. They are still pushing for it. It's just that they are going to work harder on making you think it's there because you want it.

We honestly should hold the guy [Orth] up as an idol. he was accurately communicating what the company thinks of it's consumers and allowing us to see through the fog of marketing and make informed purchasing choices.

Re:Fantastic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422219)

Did you read his tweets? What about them is gracious?

Re:Fantastic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422029)

Why?

I mean, the comments weren't the offensive part, the offensive part was the policy that the comments revealed. And that policy (the part where your game console automatically stops working if it loses Internet access for more than three minutes) is still going to happen.

Or was the "gross incompetence" the reveal of that policy without enough bullshitting to make it seem like a "feature"?

Why not? (2)

mystikkman (1487801) | 1 year,6 days | (#43421359)

but either way it's not good news for Microsoft

An employee posting company related information without clearance, especially things like "deal with it", deserved to be reprimanded at the least.

Re:Why not? (5, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421389)

That's what I thought, I don't see how "either way it's not good news for Microsoft". If the employee was incompetent because he caused harm to the company then getting rid of him is damn good news because it means he can't do it again.

I somewhat wonder if Microsoft have been having the always-on DRM debate internally and Adam Orth was in fact on the losing side of that internal discussion and took to Twitter to bitch about consumers who don't like always-on DRM simply because he lost the internal debate on the topic to the argument that consumers will fucking hate it.

I say this because I'd be surprised if Microsoft do go the always on DRM route, I don't think even MS is that stupid, but time will tell I guess.

Either way, good fucking riddance. This is one of those few things every once in a while Microsoft does that is absolutely right and that they absolutely shouldn't be faulted for. This guy was an idiot.

Re:Why not? (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421403)

I say this because I'd be surprised if Microsoft do go the always on DRM route, I don't think even MS is that stupid, but time will tell I guess.

Stupid might not be the right word. "Being stuck inside the corporate bubble" but be better. "Arrogant" might be another.

Re:Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422157)

Stupid might not be the right word. "Being stuck inside the corporate bubble" but be better. "Arrogant" might be another.

XBOX 720 may be Microsoft's Edsel [wikipedia.org].

Re:Why not? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422297)

Shhhh, you'll make Windows 8 jealous.

Re:Why not? (3, Interesting)

RogueyWon (735973) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421437)

Indeed.

I think the other point that dropped out of the discussion in this particular case (though plenty of people have brought it up elsewhere) is that people don't so much fear always-online requirements because they're worried their net connect might blip out (though that's a perfectly fair concern), but rather because they can see the thin end of the wedge approaching and recognise always-online as a direct underpinning for blocks on used games and rentals.

MS may be getting a lot of pressure from game developers to implement those blocks, but to do so would be absolutely suicidal given customers have a choice to jump to an unrestricted PS4 instead.

Re:Why not? (4, Interesting)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421665)

Or since the next generation of consoles are x86 architecture anyway, just jump back to PC gaming. The whole reason for using the standard x86 is so developers can more easily port games between consoles and PCs. Why bother with a five to eight hundred dollar console with very few exclusive games that's going to allow MS or Sony to control your gaming library, username and passwords (Which they don't protect properly) and how and when you can you play, when you can get a PC that's going to be twice as good (spec wise), upgradeable as needed for a better experience, will have the same titles and more, allows you to do more than the console will ever allow (media server, indi development, emulator, video player, and much more) without jail breaking/hacking it and when all else fails after buying a game with a shitty DRM will allow you to download a working copy so you can play a game you paid for (Not that I've ever done that, but it's an option)?

My personal opinion is the next generation of consoles is dead in the water. I only have a linux machine at home and with the availability of Steam and indi games, I've only turned my PS3 on in the last 10 months so my 2 year old could watch the Care Bears movie, which doesn't seem to be available on Netflix (build into my TV). I was surprised the PS3 even worked, it's one of the original consoles that had the OtherOS Feature. I was sure Sony would have bricked it by now in some update, which I don't have to worry about them doing on my PC.

Re:Why not? (2)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421761)

The Playstation 4 is only "unrestricted" in so much that Sony is not making always-on DRM a requirement for games [arstechnica.com] to play on their system (at least, right now; Sony has a habit of changing their minds about stuff like this). The Playstation 4 will, however, allow always-online DRM and you can bet that the publishers will be making use of it just as readily as they do on the PC (and are moving as far forwards with as they can on the consoles).

I bet there's a team of accountants in Sony somewhere crunching numbers hard trying to figure out how much money the ability to resell games earns them (not directly of course, but the ability to resell games is a valued feature to many customers) and how much it would cost them to cut out retailers like Gamestop (who survive on resales). If they feel the PS4 will be profitable and successful without that feature, you can bet it will be dropped because the publishers - and retailers like Amazon or Walmart - prefer not having to compete with used products.

Re:Why not? (2)

RivenAleem (1590553) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422127)

I'm waiting for EA/MS or others to start offering a subscription service a la Netflix or more accurately a Cable TV company, where you pay a sub to them to get their entire catalogue.

Basic packages give access to older games, while you can get an addon for EA Sports, an addon for EA Premium and an addon for EA DLC 'channels'.

Would be just like them. That way you never get to own the games, or sell them on. And if you stop subscribing, then no games access for you!

Pay for internet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421461)

"I don't think even MS is that stupid, but time will tell I guess."

After choosing hte XBox 360 over a PS3, I'd say they are. Having to pay to use the internet is stupid. For both games and Netflix? And Netflix? Ya, I am leavign them even if they do the PS3/PS4 model in their next gen consoles.

Re:Pay for internet (5, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421947)

FWIW I started with a 360 and bought a PS3 later on, I was an XBox fanboy originally, but nowadays I could care less who "wins" a console battle (I guess I'm getting old).

But now I do have both, now I am apathetic to fanboyism I do feel that objectively the 360 feels more polished, the controllers not only feel better to hold and use, but the PS3 buttons even just outright feel like they don't respond sometimes. There's a lot of awkward inconsistencies such as sometimes when you download a game from the store you get an unlock file, and others you get the full game, and other times you get random extra downloads on top, then it's non-obvious what files you can delete so you end up with these files that do nothing but you're unsure if it's safe to delete them. Patching is horrendous, I had to download many 10s of gigabytes of patches for the handful of games I bought such that on my connection (a mere 4mbps, but still double the recommended 2mbps minimum for modern consoles) I ended up spending my first two to three days of owning the system patching games. The sign up process to Sony online was brutal, the site kept going down and I desperately tried to recover an SOE account from years ago but apparently that's a different Sony online thing to the Playstation one and that made it all a bit of a pain. It's still not a bad console, and yes Microsoft's advertising on the 360 UI after you've paid £40 a year is annoying, and yes it costs £40 a year, but the 360 is just so much more of a pleasure to use, it's so much more polished, and you spend so much less time patching.

All that ignores Sony's arrogance towards it's customers, but I bought mine after the Linux debacle, the removal of backwards compat. etc. so I knew exactly what I was buying (though that's subject to change given their history I guess).

If the 360 never existed the PS3 would still be a decent console, and even with the 360 I've had many hours of enjoyment out of my PS3 as both a Bluray player and on games like the Little Big Planet series, the Killzone series, and the Uncharted series. But if I was doing it all again knowing what I know now, even with the RROD debacle, I'd most definitely still have bought the 360 first.

Re:Pay for internet (1)

thewolfkin (2790519) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422179)

while i concur that the XBL network is obviously more polished and the PSN inconsistencies are odd. But I haven't had issues signing up or recovering (for my UK account i forgot about during the blackout). I've always said that while the PSN isn't the greatest it works it does what it needs to do and I'd happily use it for free rather than paying to fix it. I actually find the 360 controller more awkward. The stick are splayed out, the button layout is kinda backward the d-pad is just a clunky circle. I've heard people rave about the triggers and while they are kinda nice I've never disliked the trigger on the dualshock3 in terms of the hardware and network i have been and remain quite content with the Sony offering. I'd like to get an 360 one day (my experience with the controller was one I bought for PC gaming) but I've rarely been annoyed with PSN.

Re:Pay for internet (1)

RogueyWon (735973) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422351)

I'd agree with you for the most part, but...

The 360 offering is substantially less attractive than it was two years ago. The new "third gen" dashboard UI is a big step back from the previous one. It's not just the sheer quantity of advertising, but also the irritation and number of navigations involved in trying to get to actual game content. Bizarrely, it's also a worse UI to navigate using Kinnect gesture/voice controls than the old "second gen" dashboard was.

The other issue, of course, is that while many frustrations remain around the PS3, Sony have raised their game in some respects. The PS Store is much better now than it used to be (admittedly that's a low bar) and PS Plus is actually a genuinely good service for people who don't have a massive amount to spend on games and don't care about always having the latest titles available, but just want a steady stream of games to play.

The controller issue, of course, is very real. The Sixaxis was awful and while the Dualshock 3 is better, it still has big drawbacks next to the 360 controller. It's too small for many people (including me), it offers poor grip and the shoulder buttons lack the precise analogue sensitivity of the 360 equivalent's.

And don't even get me started on mandatory game installs, patches and goddam firmware updates. At least Sony have realised that particular situation cannot continue on the PS4.

Re:Pay for internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422177)

Yes, how dare they have to use electricty to power servers, and personnel to monitor and maintain those servers, why can't they just power said servers with the powerhouse that is wishful thinking?

Re:Why not? (1)

meowgoesthecat (2872191) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421885)

Why not? This is slashdot. That's why.

Microsoft could give every slashdotter a million dollars and everyone would complain because it wasn't in cash.

Re:Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421447)

I suspect it's not so much the unauthorized info about always-on internet xbox that forced him to resign, but more about his response to one twitter who pointed out that certain parts of the country like Janesville, WI or Blackburg, VA don't have super reliable internet availability in contrast to cities that Orth resides, or formerly resided in, like Seattle, San Francisco or LA: "@manveerheir Why on earth would I live there?"

Re:Why not? (-1, Troll)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421807)

He made a valid point. Living in places without good internet access is like choosing to eat at a restaurant with bad food. It sends the message that you find that acceptable in a community. Sure for children it might not be their choice, but this is the message their parents are sending.

Re:Why not? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422015)

He made a valid point. Living in places without good internet access is like choosing to eat at a restaurant with bad food.

Oh, horseshit. People have all sorts of reasons for living in rural areas (cost of living, lower crime, because they want to, because that's where their job is). Are you suggesting everyone should move out of every rural area for the cities and leave the rest deserted just so they can have access to the internet?

The internet isn't the be all and end all of the world, and lots of people still want to be able to play games without the need for an internet connection.

My XBox no longer connects to the network, because once they started putting ads into both the home screen and the games they crossed the line into "absolutely not". I don't play games on-line, I have no interest in playing games on-line, and it's none of their fscking business when I play, what games I play, or for how long. And I'm certainly not giving them a platform to show me ads.

Always-on internet and DRM is meant to give them control over the consumer, as well as making sure to get some extra revenue from ads, and maybe garner information about your gaming habits.

Being required to do this is more like choosing to eat at a restaurant which serves bad food, because you're being told "eat shit, if you want to play you have no choice".

Well, there is a choice, and that's to simply not buy the next XBox. If they require always-on internet, that's the choice I'll be exercising.

Re:Why not? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422059)

No, I am suggesting if internet access is important to you, you should select a location that can provide that. If it not important to you than the 720 is not likely to be either.

I have a PS3 if they had advertising on the home screen or charged a monthly fee to use an unrelated service, netflix, I would have sold it already.

Not buying the 720 is just like not moving to a place without reliable internet access. Both are voting with your dollars for the values you hold.

Re:Why not? (2)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422223)

And if the attitude is that "well, if you haven't got a decent internet connection and are willing to leave it on for is, we don't give a shit about your business" then the sooner people say "fine, fuck you" the better.

This is just more corporate ass-hattery saying they don't actually give a damn about their customers, and are willing to put their developers and marketing interests ahead of the customer.

Since Microsoft is discovering people apparently interested in Windows 8, they can't exactly afford to be hastening the same decision on their gaming platform. If they want to take their customers for granted, they might find out their customers are willing to leave.

Re:Why not? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422279)

Sure, but they should be free to do that. If you ever thought MS was interested in what customers wanted you were incredibly naive.

get rid of the people who messed the win 8 ui as w (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421415)

get rid of the people who messed the win 8 ui as well!

Re:get rid of the people who messed the win 8 ui a (1)

Pi1grim (1956208) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421863)

Nobody messed up windows 8 interface. But those, who though it would be a good idea to slap metro UI on desktop OS should be forced to use windows 8 and touchscreens (take away their mice for good) until they beg for mercy.

Talking of ads ... (4, Insightful)

magic maverick (2615475) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421417)

I'm going off topic here, but I want to make a complaint. /. has gone down hill since being bought by Dice. In the old days /. would make it clear if there was some relationship between /. a site it linked to (e.g. "Slashdot and SourceForge are both part of OSDN"). However, now this doesn't happen any more. And it should. Not only that, if a submitter is related to Dice or to /., it should be made clear. And if you are only linking to an article on /. (e.g. in the ridiculous BI or SlashCloud sections) it should also be made clear.

Now mod me down (I shall become more powerful than you can imagine).

Re:Talking of ads ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421443)

shut up and suck my dick

Re:Talking of ads ... (5, Funny)

magic maverick (2615475) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421805)

Why do anon cowards make these demands but then provide no method of means of complying? Maybe if you provided a location and a method of contacting you, I could comply. But simply demanding something in the fashion you have is just silly.
You should write it something like:

shut up and suck my dick. you can come to my place at any time after 9pm, im at 1600 pennsylvania ave nw washington dc.

Then, assuming I could make it to Washington DC, I could, if I was interested, come around and knock on your door. If I liked your looks, and you didn't smell, and your place was not to messy, and you offered me a decent drink, etc., I might well, "shut up and suck your dick". But you know, just making random demands on the Internet isn't enough. You've got to put effort into it.

Re:Talking of ads ... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421667)

/. has gone down hill since being bought by Dice.

Once Dice.com instituted an "always on" Internet connection policy to read Slashdot, it became nearly impossible for me to read. It's become particularly hard since I lost my job and can no longer browse and troll Twitter from work.

Re:Talking of ads ... (4, Funny)

OakDragon (885217) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421849)

/. has gone down hill since being bought by Dice.

Once Dice.com instituted an "always on" Internet connection policy to read Slashdot, it became nearly impossible for me to read. It's become particularly hard since I lost my job and can no longer browse and troll Twitter from work.

Deal with it.

How we dealt with it (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421419)

Was not what he had in mind. It didn't occur to him that PO'ed gamers can deal with things by getting people fired, he just wanted us to suck it up and suffer.

The Question is: (4, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421423)

How does MS feel about an always on Internet Requirement for all games on the Xbox? Obviously the customers don't like it, but does MS care what it's customers want?

Re:The Question is: (2)

Zimluura (2543412) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421495)

I think it's more of a "What does MS think they can get away with?" question. If MS does the dreaded online only DRM, then hopefully Sony won't do it and this next fight will play out like ps2 v xbox1.

Of course, if the two companies have colluded on the matter the console space may get very unpleasant.

Re:The Question is: (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421927)

I think it's more of a "What does MS think they can get away with?" question. If MS does the dreaded online only DRM, then hopefully Sony won't do it and this next fight will play out like ps2 v xbox1.

Of course, if the two companies have colluded on the matter the console space may get very unpleasant.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think both Sony and MS will push their requirements over the edge of what consumers want or not. Why? Because I believe that those that actually complain about what they are doing, is a low percentage of the actual user base that buys their products, so they will get away with it. Even people that might boycott their devices, will end up breaking down and get one in the long run. Mainly because their friends or gaming buddies went ahead and got one and pushing them to play with them. As consumers we have lost the battle long ago.

Re:The Question is: (2)

thewolfkin (2790519) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422211)

see also: the number of people who actually went out and bought new 360s when the ones they owned broke a lot of gamers spend a brick of money man. If my PS3 died I'd cry for months because even at the deflated prices I'm not sure I could buy one until next year. Broke Phi Broke [youtube.com]

Re:The Question is: (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421679)

Windows 8 might give you your answer, there.

Re:The Question is: (4, Insightful)

JDG1980 (2438906) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421703)

Obviously the customers don't like it, but does MS care what it's customers want?

If they did, they wouldn't have released Windows 8.

Re:The Question is: (3, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421969)

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that one of the the reasons MS pushed the Xbox announcement back to May instead of April was because of this controversy, or to learn that there is a serious internal debate going on right now there over whether they should really go forward with the always-on requirement (their original plan) or to abandon it in light of this controversy and Sony's distancing themselves from the requirement on the PS4.

Re:The Question is: (1)

White Flame (1074973) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422283)

I'm not sure they can back out at this point. The relationships with publishers in getting exclusives and launch titles hinges on obligations like this. Remember, it's the publishers who are demanding these sorts of DRM measures more than any console manufacturer themselves, so I don't think MS could pull something so important to that relationship when the wheels are already in motion.

If new Xbox requires always on internet connection (4, Insightful)

Spy Handler (822350) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421435)

I'm not buying that shit. Neither should you.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421485)

I'm not buying that shit. Neither should you.

You obviously don't have kids saying "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
....
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "oh fuck it! I'll get one for your birthday".......

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (4, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421511)

Dad: Here kid, I got you a Ouya!
Kid: Waaaaahhhh!

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421817)

Here kid, I got you an Occulus Rift. Now go and play Minecraft.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (4, Insightful)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421529)

Except the problem for MS isn't parents who will say, "No." It's parents who will say, "No. We're getting a PS4 instead because it has 99% of the same games and doesn't have absurd DRM requirements."

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421713)

Because Sony is somehow better? Removing functionality, backward compatibility, being more expensive, root-kits, etc? How hasn't Sony fucked up in this generation of consoles?

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (3, Informative)

Teckla (630646) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421931)

Because Sony is somehow better? Removing functionality, backward compatibility, being more expensive, root-kits, etc? How hasn't Sony fucked up in this generation of consoles?

Sony doesn't make people buy a monthly subscription just to watch Neftlix, which is an important factor for me. I'll probably switch from Xbox to PS for the next generation for that reason alone. It'll save me hundreds of dollars over the life of the console, I can't ignore that huge savings.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

legioxi (2849173) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421727)

It might not have the same manufacturer enforced DRM but Sony's wording implied it could be publisher enforced. Doesn't sound like a slam dunk win for Sony. I think both will end up with DRM in the coming generation.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (2)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421891)

Yeah, the key word is absurd though. I don't have a problem with unobtrusive DRM. I've only ever had Steam piss me off once, which honestly I feel is a fair trade off for the great deals and convenience it offers.

Always online DRM? Absurd.
DRM that ties a game to a specific machine so if your console dies and you replace it, it's a pain in the ass to play the game you bought? Absurd.
Online DRM that mostly stays out of my way and offers an offline mode, and in turn offers me a convenient store with great deals? Not absurd.

Of course no DRM is preferable, but I can't fault companies trying to protect their investment AS LONG as it doesn't overly convenience me as a legitimate customer.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (2)

LordNimon (85072) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421967)

Yeah, the key word is absurd though. I don't have a problem with unobtrusive DRM.

That's why I don't understand MS' silence on the always-on requirement. The Xbox 360 already has a working DRM system. It's very difficult to play a game unless you have the disc or purchased it from the Marketplace. Sure, I've heard some people manage to pirate Xbox 360 games, but I don't know of anyone who's even thought about doing that, and it's a lot of work. Frankly, I would be very surprised if 1% of Xbox 360 owners pirate any of their games. So from Microsoft's perspective, it should be a non-issue.

Therefore, the only reason for the always-on requirement is to kill the used game market. Could MS really be that stupid? Only time will tell.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (2)

Dancindan84 (1056246) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422263)

Yeah, but my guess is they're thinking the "game on a disk" thing is on the way out (probably not wrong), and are looking for DRM outside of that model.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421617)

And this is why your kids will grow up to value nothing. More spoiled consumer whores in the world, hooray!

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421683)

parenting fail

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421831)

I hope you don't actually have kids. Giving in like that sends the wrong message.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

Chrisq (894406) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421893)

I hope you don't actually have kids. Giving in like that sends the wrong message.

True, IRL I take the opposite extreme, if I say something I will not back down. My wife thought I was taking it too far when I said "If you do that again your new game is going to the charity shop" when we'd just spent a lot of money on it, but my daughter has never ignored a threat like that since.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (2, Insightful)

LordNimon (85072) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421899)

You're doing it wrong.

Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: "no".......
Kid: "Dad, can I have an x-box", answer: smacks kids across the face
Kid: "I'm sorry, Dad"

That's how it goes in my house.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421935)

That's when you visit a site like this [ranker.com] to see what sort of crappy knock-offs are available, and get one of those for the kid.

"Daaa-aaaad! I want an X-Box!"
"What's wrong with the eXtreme Box I got you last year? It's the same thing ain't it, except it comes with a light gun!"

Phhht. I ain't got no sympathy for the kids. I mean, all I had was a Coleco Telestar [ultimateco...tabase.com], while everyone else had a Playstation. "It's the same thing, ain't it, except it comes with a light gun!"

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (1)

Jeslijar (1412729) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421631)

I'd buy it because I pretty much just use it for online gaming. I will admit of the four or five people i've met who aren't into gaming heavily but still own an xbox 360, none of them have connected their xbox to the internet. They just want to play games on it like an atari, nintendo or playstation. They don't care about a new social UI, they don't care about DLC. They just wanted something they can have an hour or two diversion on - they don't live their lives gaming. Something simple that they don't have to think about.

I can see where the always-on side appeals to businesses though. If the xbox 360 required an internet connection to function - i'm sure they would have found out a way to hook it up. Xbox probably would have made money on them too once they realized there was a marketplace with movies, games and other distractions. If the original console had a wireless nic, i'm sure the people I know would have set it up since they all have a wireless network.

Re:If new Xbox requires always on internet connect (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421739)

The internet being out is when I'm most likely to *really* want to play xbox.

and here ive been (5, Funny)

nimbius (983462) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421471)

ranting and bitching about Steve Ballmer for almost a decade with no results. Turns out the correct method is twitter?

Re:and here ive been (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421757)

Thing is I think Steve is probably a probably a very effective middle manager (you sometimes need grumpy people running the show). The problem is he has shown he is a very ineffective CEO (where you need people willing to ungrumpy the managers).

XBox may now be a decent revenue stream but for nearly 8-10 years it lost money (hemorrhage would be a better word for it). It was not until Halo 2 (a game) that the division broke even. The WinCE thing was just mishandled. Win8 was shoved at the end user with a 'take or leave it'. MS was much better when it was a competitor instead of a monolith. A good CEO would have boot stomped some of the shenanigans going on.

Thanks for the link. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421497)

If you'd prefer your news without obnoxious auto-playing video ads (with sound!), IGN reports Orth's departure, too.

Holy hell, the editors did some editing! Bravo!

Figured this was coming (3, Interesting)

theurge14 (820596) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421517)

I'll be the first to admit I enjoy a bit of give and take with snarky comments on the Internet, but for a person in his position I though his condescending Twitter comments regarding people who dare to live in places such as Wisconsin or Virginia were a bit shocking in their arrogance. I can't say I'm surprised at all at Microsoft letting him go.

Advice Orth (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421571)

Lost your job? Deal with it.

Additional tweets (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421585)

A previous IGN article [ign.com] has archived some extra tweets Adam made:

"Those people should definitely get with the times and get the internet. It's awesome."
"Sorry for expressing my personal opinion about what I want from the electronic devices that I pay for on Twitter. Jesus."
"The mobile reception in the area I live in is spotty and unrealiable. I will not buy a mobile phone."
"Sometimes the electricity goes out. I will not purchase a vacuum cleaner."

Totally called it (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43421595)

Always on:
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tpx13/

Other comments were insulting (5, Insightful)

EMG at MU (1194965) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421627)

The comments cited by TFA weren't the problem in my opinion. He has a unpopular viewpoint on a subject that a lot of his former employer's customer base feels strongly about but the other comments basically insulting people who don't live in large metro areas are the firing offence to me.

I can't find the quotation so this is from memory but someone responded to his tweet by saying "sometimes the internet is spotty in other areas of the country like Kansas and that's why always on would suck" and Orth responded "why would anyone live there". That's pretty much a big fuck you to a large part of the country. Not a wise move to disparage millions of potential customers. I think that comment and the attitude it conveys is a bigger problem than him stating his opinion about "always on".

I guess he can go to work for Electronic Arts (1)

voss (52565) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421797)

They apparently love asshats like him especially with Simcity

let's keep our eye on the price, shall we? (1)

argStyopa (232550) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421821)

I know it's anathema for /. to praise MS but this is good.

The guy made not only catastrophically stupid comments, but came off as arrogant and patronizing. Whether his exit is graceful or humiliating, I don't really care: it's a GOOD THING that he has departed MS.

Whether it was a higher up 'suggesting he seek another opportunity', or him quitting after getting constant complaints about it, either way it should be clear that his beliefs are not going to be the company line at MS. That's an unmitigated good.

Re:let's keep our eye on the price, shall we? (1)

White Flame (1074973) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422309)

either way it should be clear that his beliefs are not going to be the company line at MS

That's not clear at all. We have no idea what the company line internally is, and one person spouting off casually might very well reflect what the rest of the direction is behind the scenes. The guy got shoved out because he made the public angry, and for no other reason.

Good ... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | 1 year,5 days | (#43421937)

Good. Because his response to criticism about always-on requirements amounted to "let them eat cake".

If that's how you feel about your customers, don't be surprised when they decide you suck and don't want your product.

An always-on internet requirement makes this next XBox a complete non-starter for me, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

#dealwithit

One big joke gone wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422013)

I honestly feel bad for Orth. What the media seemed to keep pretty quiet was the fact that this was a funny conversation between friends that was never supposed to be taken seriously. I'm not saying that it wasn't a mistake on his part, but I find it unfortunate that he got fired for things that he did not necessarily believe.

Re:One big joke gone wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422143)

If you are the "Creative Director for Microsoft Game Studios", you can not publicly say things like that even if they are not published through some official Microsoft channel.

ibitimes (1)

aclarke (307017) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422053)

THANK YOU Timothy for pointing out the link to ibitimes.com. I can't stand that site and leave every time I end up there without realizing it. Videos with sound on a business-related site? What a horrendous idea.

First EA, now Microsoft? (1)

Spykk (823586) | 1 year,5 days | (#43422121)

Who will be the next executive that loses his job over unpopular DRM? Surely at some point developers will weigh the costs versus the gains and realize that draconian DRM is a losing proposition.

Re:First EA, now Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,5 days | (#43422273)

Who will be the next executive that loses his job over unpopular DRM? Surely at some point developers will weigh the costs versus the gains and realize that draconian DRM is a losing proposition.

Problem is, the whole discussion here is assuming something we don't know, and that is what always-on "functionality" the next X-box will have. We don't know that it will require to be online to play, these are just unsubstantiated rumors. If you go by the leaked developer documentation there is absolutely nothing there about X-box or games requiring connection to play. And you would assume this would be relevant for games developers to know. What that documentation do talk about is a low power always on always connected "sleep" mode that let's the X-Box update itself before you sit down to play.

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