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North Korean Missile Raised To Firing Position, Says US Official

timothy posted 1 year,11 days | from the hope-it's-not-the-one-for-austin dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with this snippet from CNN: "North Korea has raised at least one missile into its upright firing position, feeding concerns that a launch is imminent, a U.S. official told CNN Thursday. This comes as the world continued to keep watch for a possible missile launch by the secretive government, and a day before U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to arrive in the region. In the latest daily tough talk from the North, a government agency is quoted by the state-run media as saying that 'war can break out any moment.'"

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And... it's gone (5, Insightful)

earlzdotnet (2788729) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422753)

Sounds like a perfect excuse for a preemptive strike

Re:And... it's gone (5, Insightful)

jadv (1437949) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422829)

Preemptive strikes are only allowed on targets approved by the Halliburton Company.

Re:And... it's gone (3, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423277)

So, when Obama preempts an attack on NK, you'll know he has been bought by Halliburton. Then what?

I know, you guys on the left think there is an actual difference between (R) and (D), but being a (L), it is really hard to distinguish between More Government and More Government.

Re:And... it's gone (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422907)

Attacking North Korea means North Korea will level Seoul. Seoul is our ally.

Re:And... it's gone (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423063)

When 35 nuclear cruise missiles fired from off-shore strike without North Korea receiving any warning, North Korea won't be able to do *ANYTHING* - they'll be gone.

Re:And... it's gone (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423321)

i predict that will never happen even if North Korea launches their missiles.

neither China, Japan, nor South Korea will be happy about the radioactive wasteland next to them, or the radioactive fallout from the attack.

then there would be outcry from everywhere that we needlessly killed civilians

and a long list of other reasons.

we will never launch a single nuke at North Korea.

Re:And... it's gone (1, Insightful)

interval1066 (668936) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423293)

If by "leveling Seoul" you mean marching that rediculous million man army armed with Soviet-era weapons across the parallel, sure, let's see how that goes.

Re:And... it's gone (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423033)

This is disturbing - just look how few civilized areas a missile aimed at the east coast would track [imgur.com] over.
It would be near Toronto before it got noticed if it was missed by radar in northern Alaska.

At least any weapons with a sufficient range aren't known to be part of DPRK's arsenal.

Re:And... it's gone (0)

slashmydots (2189826) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423081)

I'll do you one better. Al Queda - "we will attempt to build a nuke and launch it at you" = multi-country, multi-billion dollar war instantly.
Iraq - "No, seriously, we don't have WMDs and would only attack Kuwait, not the US" = instant multi-billion dollar, full-scale war.
North Korea - "We have a nuke, it's pointed at you. We're going to blow everyone up. Seriously, we're going to. Hey, look at our army" = nothing. And it's Obama's 2nd term so what the hell does he care what people think of him "starting" another war (North Korea "started" it). Oh no, maybe it might possibly maybe lose a Democrat 2% in the next election by proxy. Better not bomb North Korea. What a fucking joke.

Re:And... it's gone (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423099)

You like to make a lot of statements and then not back them up with anything substantive. Kind of your MO.

Re:And... it's gone (5, Insightful)

X0563511 (793323) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423303)

Al Qaeda: actually attacked us.
Iraq: no comment. I think this one was stupid as well.
North Korea: China's autistic little brother.

Surely you might see why blowing up NK might not be a wise choice...

Re:And... it's gone (2)

lgw (121541) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423173)

Are there American /.ers actually worried about this? I'm starting to realize that the generation that grew up after the cold war was over is post-college now. (Get off my lawn!)

The only scenario I find troubling is that North Korea launches some sort of missile, which then has some boost failure that drops it onto Seoul, or some nearby highly populated region where it might hurt someone. The level of corruption in tin-pot dictatorships is so high that successfully operating a high-tech weapon (without any critical part being somewhere on the black market instead of somewhere on the weapon) approaches zero.

Re:And... it's gone (0)

meerling (1487879) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423195)

That's what he's probably hoping for.
Then he can whine about he's being suppressed and attacked by the big boys, and maybe get some UN Funding for reparations.
Best thing to do is to wait. Either he'll realize his bluff failed, and put it away, or he'll actually launch in an act of pure stupidity.
If he launches, assuming it doesn't quickly fail, ready your antimissile defenses if you have any, and it's sort of heading your way.
(Their targeting has NOT impressed anyone so far.)
Now if it reaches a target and either gets shot down or hits something, then drop a dozen or so cruise missiles on his military sites.
If he runs his military over the border to anyone, stomp him into the ground with more forces than he has populace.

Even that jumped up little troll knows it's unwise to wake the slumbering dragon.

Re:And... it's gone (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423311)

As if an american needs an excuse for a preemptive strike.

You people are an embarrassment to yourselves. You're literally no better than North Korea themselves, you're just bigger and you have the resources to win. You're just as morally bankrupt, you still bully the world into submission, you torture and kill in the name of the state, you still demand one country respect international law while you violate it yourselves. And you have a leader who is such a transparent and ridiculous liar that one wonders why you're taken seriously at all, right up until you set off another one of your toys in the middle east.

I always thought the worst part of a real, live nuclear war would be that no one would win, no one on earth, because we'd all be dead. No, the worst part would be that both sides would equally deserve it for being too arrogant and self-servient to back down. Warmonger fools like you cheerleading for the end of the fucking world.

boner (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422767)

'nuff said.

Re:boner (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422985)

Yeah, that's the first thought that occurred to me...It's the North Korean version of modern multimedia performance art exhibits: The rocket's erection mechanism is directly connected to Kim Jong Un's arousal lobes. This way, you can always tell whether the Glorious Leader is watching a tank parade at the moment. (You don't want to know what the firing mechanism is connected to.)

Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about computers? (-1, Offtopic)

coffee-breaks (2867847) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422787)

Or am I mistaken?

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (5, Informative)

glop (181086) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422811)

News for Nerds. Missiles and "Wargames"-like situations fit the bill for me.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423175)

That totally makes sense now. Back in the 80s we must have allowed the North Koreans to "steal" our computer technology...the thing is we allowed them to steal the plans to the WOPR.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (2)

The_Wilschon (782534) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422813)

UID nearly 3 million... you're probably mistaken. "News for nerds, stuff that matters". Take a look at the history of the site. It's been around for a long time and covered a lot of ground.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (5, Insightful)

schivvers (823289) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422825)

I believe this would fall under the "stuff that matters" part of the slogan.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (2)

MBGMorden (803437) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422835)

It's "stuff that matters".

Slashdot is news for nerds. Nerds care about just about anything remotely tech or science related as well as any major news story like this even if not tech related.

Its actually not much different than a normal news site except for most of the "celebrity" gossip and reality TV crap is filtered out - unless it has some technology tie-in.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422859)

Or am I mistaken?

Good point. If you, personally, the user "coffee-breaks", were killed in an airstrike, that wouldn't count as "Stuff That Matters", either. To anybody.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

Nidi62 (1525137) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422879)

And where do you think many computer components are made? I'll give you a hint: it goes by the initials ROK, and happens to still technically be in a state of war with North Korea.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423181)

And where do you think many computer components are made?


That's where they're designed. They're made just over the border where the labour is really cheap. At least they were intil NK closed the business park to the south last week.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422881)

The missile OS is linux.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422889)

"...stuff that matters."

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422899)

Or am I mistaken?

Where do you think a large amount of your computer/television... components come from?

Yeah that would be South Korea

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

Myopic (18616) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422941)

You're mistaken. I'm glad to have cleared that up for you.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

Twinbee (767046) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423121)

Think of it like a good newspaper. Techy stuff, plus only the most important of the most important world news.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (2)

westlake (615356) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423145)

Or am I mistaken?

A North Korean missile launch would alter the world's political, economic, and military landscape beyond recognition. But I would expect it to be a very intense, very dangerous, environment for the nerd and the geek.

Re:Wasnt /. supposed to be news site about compute (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423193)

All of our stuff is made in areas that NoKo could realistically harm. Good tablets and phones come out of SoKo. Good cameras are made in Japan. Just about everything else is made in China. It'll matter when you can't get a new phone.

Misfire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422789)

So if this missile strikes, or is believed to strike the US or one of our allies before being intercepted, does this constitute an act of war? If North Korea indicates the original trajectory was not intended to strike the US or one of our allies, but an unfortunate flaw diverted the course, do we still retaliate?

Re: Misfire? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422893)

I would say declaring war is an act of war? You know, like SK did a few days ago?

Re: Misfire? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422905)

Huh? A few days ago? The Korean War was never resolved; they've just been in a temporary ceasefire since the fifties.

Re: Misfire? (5, Informative)

dragon-file (2241656) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423217)

Actually they have, or had, an armistice since 1953. An armistice is actually a cessation of hostilities for the purpose of agreeing to a lasting peace. Cease fires, often confused with armistices, are usually the first steps in bringing around an armistice. The main difference between the two is that a cease fire does not have to include the intention of peace talks where as an armistice does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice [wikipedia.org]

Money (-1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422797)

All that treasonous scumbag Kerry will do is offer money to quiet them down.. YOUR money of course.

Re:Money (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422855)

And what would you chest-thumping neocon thugs offer as an alternative? Remember, they don't have any oil, so "ten year invasion" isn't really a good answer.

Re:Money (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423153)

ten-year, $3 trillion invasion, you mean.

But we can't pay for social services! In our own country at least.

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423275)

The invasion of Iraq took a couple weeks. The occupation and nation-building was what drug on for 10 years. In the case of NK we could probably go in wreck a bunch of stuff then leave and let China or SK move in and do all the hard work.

Obligatory "This isn't tech news!!!" post... (1)

AtomicSymphonic (2570041) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422827)

While this may not be tech-related, it's good to have this kind of news up on everyone's radar, just in case (no pun intended).

Re:Obligatory "This isn't tech news!!!" post... (2)

jadv (1437949) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422925)

It is tech news if you start babbling away about the possible yield of that missile and the amount of damage it might inflict, and whether it will actually launch at all let alone reach its target, and what countermeasures the US, SK, Japan etc have in place and whether they will be effective against this type of missile, and so on and so forth. Lots of fun to be had, all of it very much tech-related. Not even counting all the fodder for jokes and off-topic remarks.

Thanks for being a good little dictator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422851)

NK is playing it's part as the world's bad guy, for which they'll be paid with loans, aid, and concessions.

I'm already bored with this show. Wake me up if anything actually happens.

Urgh (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422863)

Last year my friends and I started a "North Korea bombing someone" pool, given they did it every five years or so... And I got week of anniversary of North Korea for $30....
  I really don't want anything to happen though, that would be the most guilt ridden six hundred bucks I've ever received.

A North Korean Rocket? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422865)

Isn't a North Korean rocket the ballistic equivalent of an American geography lesson?

should've quoted down more (5, Insightful)

rjejr (921275) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422887)

Here's the paragraphs further down the page - "After the raising of the missile Wednesday, it was not clear to U.S. officials why the North Korean government did not proceed with the firing. The U.S. official cautioned that the raising of the missile could have been just a trial run to ensure the equipment works or an effort to "mess" with the United States and the allies that are watching for a launch at any time." This happened yesterday. If it was important there would have been at least 1 big explosion by now.

Blackmail. Kim Jung Un's Daddy copying (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423139)

...t was not clear to U.S. officials why the North Korean government did not proceed with the firing.

Because N. Korea will then "negotiate" for some "aid" from the US and they'll lower the missile - blackmail just like Dad.

The Chinese are probably thinking, "Fuck! We should have let MacArthur do his thing!"

Re:should've quoted down more (0)

robinsonne (952701) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423239)

The U.S. official cautioned that the raising of the missile could have been just a trial run to ensure the equipment works or an effort to "mess" with the United States and the allies that are watching for a launch at any time.

For some reason I read allies as "aliens."

The right thing to do... (1)

PortHaven (242123) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422909)

Is mostly ignore them, set up a bunch of anti-missile systems. Have the missile successfully shot down over NK territory before it even enters S. Korea.

Then sell lots of anti-missile systems to Europe, Asia and the rest of the world.

Re:The right thing to do... (1)

prefec2 (875483) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423035)

If they cannot reach the US with their missiles, it is also not possible to reach European states. They could reach Russia's Asian part, but I highly doubt that they want to shoot at the Russians.

Re:The right thing to do... (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423141)

I highly doubt that they want to shoot at the Russians.

I'm sure Putin would love to show a nice big fat show of strenght to prove Russia is still a super power. That would probably be pretty much the most suicidal move possible.

Re:The right thing to do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423317)

Wouldn't that be a win-win-win? Putin gets a show of strength, America doesn't have to get involved in another quagmire, China doesn't have American troops marching against its border.

Re:The right thing to do... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423037)

Have the missile successfully shot down over NK territory before it even enters S. Korea.

Sure. First, you have to invent a boost-phase interception capability.

Come back to us in 30 years.

Re:The right thing to do... (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423223)

You seem to think that our anti-missile systems are foolproof. They're far from fool-proof... especially when it comes to taking down a missile over enemy territory (which would be an aggressive move on our part to begin with). When it comes down to it, every second counts when trying to shoot down missiles, and that means keeping as close an eye on every sabre-rattler with launch capability.

Go for it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43422917)

Excellent. The North Koreans should launch the missile and go away. Chances are that it will either explode during launch or land in the Sea of Japan.

it's been a week thus far? (3, Insightful)

TerraFrost (611855) | 1 year,11 days | (#43422929)

Five days ago North Korea was moving their missiles [foxnews.com] and they're only now getting them in firing position? How long does it take to ready a missile? Seems like the US had patriot missiles halfway across the world in South Korea in less time than it's taken the North thus far.

Re:it's been a week thus far? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423045)

It's cute that you consider Fox News a creditable source of information

Re:it's been a week thus far? (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423057)

The US isn't using ox carts...

Re:it's been a week thus far? (4, Interesting)

prefec2 (875483) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423135)

You forget that North Korea is not a real threat to the US or anyone else. they might cause some damage to South Korea or Japan if they start a war, but they will not last long, as their weapons are outdated, their troops are not in great shape. And they are so energy dependent on China that they would run out of fuel after a few days (if not hours).

The real thing this is all about: Kim wants to show to his military that the atomic are suffice to keep the South and all the capitalists from the US out of the North, because they have these nuclear weapons. If that works, they have a weaker position in requesting special treatment for the military releasing resources to supply the population and turn the economic system. So he needs some sort of international acceptance of their nuclear weapons.

This is not a preparation of war against anyone outside of North Korea, it is an attack on the power of the military in North Korea.

Where's China? (4, Insightful)

sgage (109086) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423015)

China has been growing in economic and military influence, and seems to want to be taken seriously. If that is the case, this is their moment. They could put an end to this nonsense in a minute. They need to understand that it would be in their own national interest to smack this puppy on the snout, fast and sharp. If they just let it fester, and it leads to armed conflict, they will lose face.

There are just so many ways that this can go wrong...

Re:Where's China? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423177)

Not really. Right now, the US is spending money dealing with this issue while China quietly goes about its own objectives. Like a good game of 'Go', often the proper response to activity on one side of the board is to ignore it and continue to build on the opposite side. North Korea provides a good distraction and they know enough to realize that lil Kim is just putting on a show for his people.

Shoots and ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423019)

misses the Pacific Ocean.

No sources quoted - none. (5, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423049)

Isn't it awesome that we have entire news stories telling us we're on the precipice of war - without one single person quoted? CNN doesn't even bother to include a tag like "quoted on condition of anonymity" anymore - they just take their directions from the White House press office and fill in "official" wherever it would have made sense to have a real person substantiating a dubious claim.

Re:No sources quoted - none. (1)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423189)

I was think "sad", but "awesome" works, too

Really Sad (0)

tommyatomic (924744) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423055)

Its like they want to be bombed back to the stone age just to see what it would be like. Korea's like a retarded kid poking a bully with a stick to see what would happen.

OR put in automotive terms its a D-bag in a souped up golf cart revving the cart in neutral next to an 400hp arial atom because he doesn't realize how massively outclassed they are.

The US has issues dealin with targets moving in the shadows. But give the combined might of the US Army-Navy-Airforce-and-Marines a fixed target with borders and a Flag and the US ambassador will be busy ignoring a UN resolution against reducing a country to glow-in-the-dark rubble before breakfast. N-K has a huge army. I think like 4th or 5th largest. I feel a great swell of pity for the families of the members of the North Korean army.

quit watching! (2)

AndyKron (937105) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423089)

Just knowing that someone is watching my missile move into an upright position would be enough to piss me off.

Re:quit watching! (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423249)

I am now sure you dont have a girlfriend. I love having her watch it rise.


Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423101)

I want doomsday. Launch the fucking missile and let chaos rain !

Fire Ze Missile (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423123)


De f'hurst (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423159)

No, no, approaching with your gun ports open is a sign of respect!

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | 1 year,11 days | (#43423299)

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To get out of range of North Korea's Missiles...

Its almost like... (0)

GReaToaK_2000 (217386) | 1 year,11 days | (#43423315)

They want to be provoked or attacked. I'd like to believe they wouldn't be stupid enough to pull the trigger, but this is the closest they've ever gotten.

The other thing that confuses the hell out of me is that we are so bent on preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons yet, NK has been working on this since the beginning of the Bush (duh-bya) terms and we have YET to take them very seriously. We are sort of taking them seriously but it's still nothing like what we do with Iran.

So, is it that we don't think they'll do it OR do we think they will and we can go in and flatten them and setup right next to China? But, isn't SK close enough for us?

Now to the paranoid stuff... Who's behind this? Is it an attempt to get another war started? We have a LOT of interest in that area, Japan, SK, Malaysia, Philippines, etc. What is the point of this for NK to do this? and why aren't we taking this as seriously as we do Iran?

We have seen in the media that NK is portrayed a whining baby with dangerous toys.

China probably doesn't want to do anything because they are so close but if they felt threatened they could just run over them and be that much closer to SK.

So again, what is the deal with this? I hope that it's just saber rattling and NK will back down but they've done it enough that if they back down again it will only prove to most of the other nations they are a joke.

Oh and another thought occurs, is this a diversion? Could they be in league with Iran and/or Syria? I know we as Americans tend to have the attention span of a goldfish but still... This is really a threat we shouldn't be totally scoffing at.

I know this didn't come out exactly as I intended but it's the culmination of a lot of thoughts I've been "noodling" around for a while about NK.


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