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Red Hat Launching Its Own Community Distro of OpenStack

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the latest-and-greatest dept.

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darthcamaro writes "Red Hat still doesn't have a fully supported commercial version of OpenStack in the market yet (coming this summer) as it lags behind Ubuntu and SUSE. But Red Hat is doing something no other distro vendor has done, they are launching a brand new bleeding edge build of OpenStack that will update weekly (or faster). The best part? This isn't a fork. It's all upstream work, meaning everyone in the OpenStack Community benefits. From the article: '"Our developers will continue to work in the upstream OpenStack, and "whenever we find we need to make changes to make RDO work, we get that work done upstream first," Red Hat CTO Brian Stevens said. "RDO won't change in any way our active involvement in the upstream OpenStack development."'

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What is OpenStack? (4, Informative)

rueger (210566) | about a year ago | (#43457067)

For those who aren't up on it, from the web site: [openstack.org]

OpenStack is a global collaboration of developers and cloud computing technologists producing the ubiquitous open source cloud computing platform for public and private clouds. The project aims to deliver solutions for all types of clouds by being simple to implement, massively scalable, and feature rich. The technology consists of a series of interrelated projects delivering various components for a cloud infrastructure solution.

Who's behind OpenStack? Founded by Rackspace Hosting and NASA, OpenStack has grown to be a global software community of developers collaborating on a standard and massively scalable open source cloud operating system. Our mission is to enable any organization to create and offer cloud computing services running on standard hardware.

Who uses OpenStack? Corporations, service providers, VARS, SMBs, researchers, and global data centers looking to deploy large-scale cloud deployments for private or public clouds leveraging the support and resulting technology of a global open source community.

Why open matters: All of the code for OpenStack is freely available under the Apache 2.0 license. Anyone can run it, build on it, or submit changes back to the project. We strongly believe that an open development model is the only way to foster badly-needed cloud standards, remove the fear of proprietary lock-in for cloud customers, and create a large ecosystem that spans cloud providers.

Re:What is OpenStack? (1)

mvar (1386987) | about a year ago | (#43458847)

Visit the Openstack site and have this [bullshitbingo.net] open on another tab. You're welcome

and muh Hadoop (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43457121)

Did RH mistake OpenStack for Hadoop?

Proof Read Before Submitting (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43457153)

> But Red Hat is doing something...

You shouldn't start sentences with the word but.

> The best part? this isn't a fork it's all upstream work...

This whole sentence is bad.

Glad to see the community benefiting (1, Insightful)

vossman77 (300689) | about a year ago | (#43457467)

Glad to see the community benefiting from a fork. Usually when canonical makes a new project the community loses because we get two of the same thing and neither work well (see GNOME3/Unity or Wayland/Mir). I fully support RedHat's approach to improve existing technologies rather than scraping existing project and creating crap.

Re:Glad to see the community benefiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43458375)

*cough*

The best part? this isn't a fork it's all upstream work

*cough*

"Doing something no other distro vendor has done" (1)

corychristison (951993) | about a year ago | (#43457491)

Red Hat is doing something no other distro vendor has done

... Gentoo [gentoo.org] ? And Daniel Robbins' Funtoo [funtoo.org] project?

These two distros are very similar, with a few key differences but in both you can choose how stable or not stable you would like. If you want stable, you can have stable. If you need bleeding edge, you can have bleeding edge.

Granted its not "automatic updates" but I don't like the idea of my server doing updates like that without me initiating them.

Re:"Doing something no other distro vendor has don (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year ago | (#43457617)

I think you mistook "Red Hat will commit updates weekly or faster" with "You have to install updates weekly or faster".

While you can set up machines for auto-update in the Red Hat Universe, I don't and never have. If I did, I'd probably go more for selecting downloading on schedule, manual review and manual update of only the components I wanted to change. YUM will help me do that pretty well.

Re:"Doing something no other distro vendor has don (3, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about a year ago | (#43457629)

Red Hat is doing something no other distro vendor has done

... Gentoo [gentoo.org] ? And Daniel Robbins' Funtoo [funtoo.org] project?

These two distros are very similar, with a few key differences but in both you can choose how stable or not stable you would like. If you want stable, you can have stable. If you need bleeding edge, you can have bleeding edge.

Granted its not "automatic updates" but I don't like the idea of my server doing updates like that without me initiating them.

The point is that RDO isn't a new distro, or a specific RH flavour of OpenStack, but just plain vanilla OpenStack builds, nicely packed in RPM's and with a "yum" repository. So RH based distros like Fedora 18, CentOS, Scientific Linux can install and maintain it, just by enabling the RDO yum repo.

There is a quickstart guide and lots of documentation here:
http://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart [redhat.com]

All in all, this makes it really easy to test and play around with OpenStack.

Re:"Doing something no other distro vendor has don (1)

Stax (13864) | about a year ago | (#43457715)

That may well be the point ;)

Gentoo != distro (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year ago | (#43457893)

If you only get prebuilt packages for Gentoo, there are plenty of other distributions that make way more sense. If you build your own packages, like the folks at Gentoo have designed it, it's merely a big script and a repository.

A distribtution is meant to give an administrator or a consultant some sort of idea what he's heading in to when having to work on a machine they didn't install themselves. With Gentoo, you never know what you're going to get. While Gentoo is great to learn about Linux, compiling, porting and such, or to build a special purpose machine, it's not suitable for large scale deployments where more than one person will have to work on the machine. The amount of time spent actually documenting and learning the specifics of the exact deployment(s) simply make it way too expensive and error prone to be a good choice.

What Red Hat own't tell you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43457663)

"Oh yeah, we're raising our support fees by 20x and doing our best Oracle impression...but here's a shiny toy! Whatever you do, don't switch to CentOS, or God forbid..Ubuntu!"

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43457741)

In all honesty, if you're savvy enough to be running any *nix, you should be hiring people savvy enough so as to obviate the need for paid support. From what I hear, the paid support is not that good.

I've been in IT for going on 15 years, and I've never, ever been happy with anyone's paid support. In general, I can find the answer on Google or YouTube quicker than I can get an answer from the tech support.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (3, Interesting)

berashith (222128) | about a year ago | (#43457769)

you can often call in your issue to red hat, and then start in on your google search five minutes later, and find YOUR EXACT QUESTION, in your exact words, in a forum. crack research staff there.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43458379)

Yeah they probably don't know anything about OpenStack: http://bitergia.com/public/reports/openstack/2013_04_grizzly/

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (2)

pholus (127383) | about a year ago | (#43461635)

There are only so many ways to ask "Where can I find the ANY key?" so don't be too sure you were the source of it... ;)

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (1)

berashith (222128) | about a year ago | (#43470741)

even if this were the true question, paid for support doesnt require that the purchaser have great competence.The help desk should still be able to answer the question and then vent amongst them selves at a company picnic.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (1)

neurovish (315867) | about a year ago | (#43462715)

What question were you asking? The last time I opened a ticket with Red Hat was shortly after RHEL6 came out. It was answered accurately within about 8 hours, and it wasn't a priority 1 kind of issue.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (1)

berashith (222128) | about a year ago | (#43470761)

to be honest, when that happened to me it was a long time ago, and the few calls that I have made since then have been much better. It doesnt change the fact that having gone through this makes me use a support call as a last resort, and doesnt really put the paid support model as a reason to do business with them over a free version of centOS.

I did have a call like you are saying about 2 years ago, involving tracking TCP windows through vmware, and both companies had a very talented engineer on the phone with me very quickly, and we got to the heart of the problem quickly. I think this help was mostly as the issue was very interesting and not just the mundane repetitive crap that support calls tend to be.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43461383)

There's a lot of software that is only supported on RHEL. Also, Googling won't fix a bug. You will have to submit it to Red Hat.

It's not worth it from a personal standpoint, but if you have larger customers, you might have to pony up for RHEL.

Re:What Red Hat own't tell you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43458365)

RDO (the thing the article links to) supports CentOS.

OpenShift (1)

Baby Duck (176251) | about a year ago | (#43462015)

How does this interact with their other cloud offering, OpenShift?

Re:OpenShift (1)

LoganEkz (552402) | about a year ago | (#43464885)

How does this interact with their other cloud offering, OpenShift?

RDO is Red Hat's OpenStack -- an IaaS. OpenShift is their PaaS offering.

Re:OpenShift (1)

Dave Neary (2900077) | about a year ago | (#43474763)

Hi, In short: you run OpenShift on top of a cloud IaaS platform - it enables you to run sandboxed applications complete with the application stack and not have to worry about all the HA stuff. OpenShift can run on OpenStack, AWS or bare metal. Cheers, Dave.

Works great! (1)

kallisti5 (1321143) | about a year ago | (#43463975)

I've installed OpenStack 4-5 times now without any success. I installed this new RedHat pre-built OpenStack in a few hours with no trouble! Used CentOS 6.3, worked like a champ.
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