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In Iceland, Tap Cellphones To Avoid Incest

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the please-don't-repurpose-this-app dept.

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Kozar_The_Malignant writes "Students at the University of Iceland have written an Android app that helps you avoid dating your cousins. The app accesses the Icelandic national genealogical database that contains information on all living citizens and their ancestors going back 1,100 years. Tapping two phones together will bring up an alert if you share a common grandparent." Just one of the consequences of having a population small enough (and well documented enough) to have a well-known genetic makeup.

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Don't you know who your cousins are? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483779)

Do you really need an app to tell you who's family?

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (4, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483943)

In high school one of the hottest girls who half the guys (including myself) had a boner for turned out to be a very distant relative of mine...only found out years later from my dad's family tree research hobby. Makes me feel a little better about not tapping that :-\

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484025)

Not tapping that?

Or not even registering in her consciousness as existing?

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (3, Informative)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484109)

Nah we were reasonably friendly. I was taking the slow "get laid or friend-zoned trying" approach while other guys were going for the "assault with pickup lines and see what sticks" strategy.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484227)

I was taking the slow "get laid or friend-zoned trying" approach

There's only one result from that approach, still, it's better than the full assault. You've probably learned by now that something in between is better.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (4, Insightful)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484103)

Not to be creepy or anything, but from a genetic standpoint, a distant relative would probably have been fine to date.

But I know what you mean. A Playmate from the late sixties is a distant relative of mine, and I was always a little creeped out by that centerfold.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (3, Informative)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484271)

Actually, it depends on the genetic diversity in the population. In some island cultures it became acceptable to for brothers to marry sisters. If everyone already pretty much has the same genes, that's fine, because serious receive genetic disorders have already been breeded out. In Iceland, it's likely less of a problem to marry a cousin than it would be in most of the USA.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484733)

But at the same time, incest increases the chances of the remaining recessive genetic defects showing up in children and causing problems.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484295)

At least you know you'll see her again at family reunions.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (5, Interesting)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483971)

In Iceland AFAIK people are called "Bob son of George" or "Mary daughter of John", so there aren't any surnames to make it obvious. It makes me wonder how the database can uniquely identify you, though. (I wonder at what stage in the dating/relationship procedure the phone tapping takes place -- you don't want to leave it too late, nor be in a rush and tap too early...)

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484099)

It makes me wonder how the database can uniquely identify you

Normally databases give every person an ID.
This is not a problem for "Bob son of George" or "Mary daughter of John" in any other way than having two or more John Smiths.

so there aren't any surnames to make it obvious

It is not very obvious who your cousin is from your mother's side of the family either if she changes her when she gets marries and doesn't bother telling you. It will also give you many false positives as many families share their surnames even though they do not share ancestors.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (3, Insightful)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484481)

also promiscuity of you parents could result in not know whose kid you are, or sperm doners, or maritel infidelity could mean the girl next door is your half sibling.
just because you have someones name and were raised by them does not mean you are related to them and by extension there family making this database fallible.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (4, Informative)

TheP4st (1164315) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484687)

In Iceland AFAIK people are called "Bob son of George" or "Mary daughter of John"

Almost right, it's "Bob son of George" and "Mary daughter of Jane"

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484771)

Of my 20 or so first cousins, only a little less than half have the same last name as I do, and that's largely because they're mostly males descended from my paternal grandfather. The rest of them have last names with origins from all over the globe. On my maternal side, I have nobody with the same last name as I do. Identifying relatives by name is a pretty poor way to do it.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (5, Funny)

SilentStaid (1474575) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484867)

(I wonder at what stage in the dating/relationship procedure the phone tapping takes place -- you don't want to leave it too late, nor be in a rush and tap too early...)

Here in the US I usually tap it after 3 good dinner dates.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484001)

Iceland is one of the few places that still use the Ancient Germanic Naming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_names). This is based upon your father's (or rarely mother's) first name.

Thus, if siblings lose contact with another, it is very possible their decedents would not know their cousins by name.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (3, Informative)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484541)

This word does not mean what you think it does...

decedents : someone who has died

Perhaps you meant "descendants"?

Good point about Iceland's naming conventions though - hadn't really thought about it, but if we used Ancient German Naming, I'd only know a couple of cousins were related if my Dad had told me so....

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484159)

Do you really need an app to tell you who's family?

Funny you mention that. Not to put too fine a point on it, but much of my family belong to a religion that promotes large families and careful genealogical records, and I found out one day entirely by accident that one of my co-workers, a thousand miles from my home town, was a first cousin. It can happen even in the US; I imagine it's a fairly common occurrence in a tiny country like Iceland.

Re: Don't you know who your cousins are? (2)

Gilmoure (18428) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484931)

Yup, here in New Mexico, just about any of the old family names are relatives, to one degree or another. Is one of th reasons my Mom and several of her sisters went out of state to find husbands. Our family photos now have us ranging from pale redheads through blond blue eys to dark brown with black hair. Kinda cool having a rainbow family. Doesn't make sense to look down on anyone due to how they look. Now, if they don't like chile...

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (0)

DrPeper (249585) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484511)

SERIOUSLY??? In a country that is SMALLER than PARKS that we have in the US. You seriously don't know who your own cousins are?? REALLY?? I know all 43 of my cousins, and they live in 7 different states (which is like countries for the Euro's).

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484841)

An average Icelander has something like a dozen sexual partners in life, seventy percent are happy with one-night stands. And children out of wedlock are no big deal there. Extrapolate from that.

Re:Don't you know who your cousins are? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484965)

An average Icelander has something like a dozen sexual partners in life

No, an average icelandic have had 20 sexual partners. Btw, you don't count in a life-time because we rarely have that much data, you just count to the present day.

"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

denzacar (181829) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483789)

"Tapping" anything seems to me like a very poor choice of words when talking about incest.

Re:"Tap" phones? (3, Informative)

coldsalmon (946941) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483985)

Also, a very poor choice of words when talking about phones. "Tapping" a phone doesn't usually mean bumping two phones together.

Re:"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

OakDragon (885217) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484365)

If it's a Windows phone, it's called "bumping uglies."

Re:"Tap" phones? (1)

saider (177166) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484747)

Followed by Ballmer squirting his data.

Re:"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483991)

Also seems like it could be super awkward from start to finish.

Scenario one: You think you're hitting it off. You suggest tapping phones. You find out you weren't hitting it off.

Scenario two: You are actually hitting it off. You think tapping phones would be good so you don't spend too much time wooing someone who may turn out to be a closer relative than you'd like. The other party was having a good time, but now it's a little more obvious that you want to mash genitals together, and there's increased sexual tension, making it more stressful for them or for you, and you ruin it.

Scenario three: You are hitting it off, have successfully navigated increasing sexual tension, not too fast and not too slow. You are about to start making out, but then you decide to check. This kills the mood.

Scenario four: you hit it off, you don't rush things, you don't kill the pre-makeout mood, you're already swapping saliva. You check right before putting on the condom. Network lag, it takes a few minutes before you get the results back, the guy becomes nervous in the meantime, and can't perform.

Scenario five: you hit it off, you don't rush things, you don't kill the pre-makeout mood, you check while putting on the condom... and it's positive, you two are second cousins twice removed or something. I think it's second cousins who can, statistically speaking, reproduce and their chances of having recessive alleles show up is not any more likely than someone who is not related, so it's not inbreeding genetically. But it's still... weird. Do you go ahead and screw? Do you look up on wiki examples of other couples who were related in the same way?

Scenario six: you're already married, and your wife is going into labor with your first born. It takes quite a while, and you're bored, so you test this on a lark and... oops... you're twins separated at birth. Awkward.

Re:"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484053)

Scenario 5.5: You're approaching climax when your phone gets knocked off the side table and hits hers on the floor. The app makes the banjo tune noise that indicates you're related...just as you both reach the height of passion 8-(

Re:"Tap" phones? (4, Funny)

interkin3tic (1469267) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484139)

Scenario seven: you're some royal line, trying to keep the Iron throne in the family. You jokingly check phones. Uh oh, someone was actually adopted...

Re:"Tap" phones? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484903)

I thought one would be tapping ravens in this scenario? (Which could actually get quite dangerous if the ravens decide that they don't like it.)

Re:"Tap" phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484325)

5.5b) After the first couple times "5.5" occurs, Pavlovian conditioning takes over, and firmly subconsciously associates the intense pleasure of sexual climax with the incest banjo. Incestuous relation becomes a major turn-on, and eventually a necessary component for your sex life.

Re:"Tap" phones? (1)

sootman (158191) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484755)

Scenario 7: Meet, hit it off, do it, then check the next day.

Re:"Tap" phones? (2)

Tyler Durden (136036) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484785)

Scenario five: you hit it off, you don't rush things, you don't kill the pre-makeout mood, you check while putting on the condom... and it's positive, you two are second cousins twice removed or something

Not to ruin the joke or anything, but if the second cousins are twice removed then they're typically off by a couple generations. The age discrepancy would be awkward enough.

Re:"Tap" phones? (0)

operagost (62405) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484857)

You check right before putting on the condom.

the guy becomes nervous in the meantime, and can't perform.

Why are you bothering to check genetics if you're gay?

Re:"Tap" phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484153)

I've "tapped" by cousin a few times. Just have to remember to use protection. And blow jobs avoid the issue of babies altogether. It feels just as good to pound your cousin's snatch as some random chick.

Re:"Tap" phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484361)

I dare you to post that using your real account.

Re:"Tap" phones? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484889)

You know there's no risk of pregnancy if you have sex with another man, cousin's or not?

Re:"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484275)

Besides, this whole app idea is impractical.

Better to just outsource all potentially sexual dating in Iceland to yours truly, I'm not Icelandic.
%100 percent incest protection. Because I care.

Re:"Tap" phones? (2)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484299)

Oh, AVOID incest. I got confused too.

Re:"Tap" phones? (1)

OakDragon (885217) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484347)

Can I tap that? That app will tell you if that should be tapped.

Re:"Tap" phones? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484427)

Not really

Be safe tap phones not cousins.

Re:"Tap" phones? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484527)

Marketing slogan: Tap the glass before you tap the a$$

The Test (5, Funny)

revoemag4 (2657941) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483791)

Tap that before you tap that.

A perfect combination... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483797)

would be a Game of Thrones theme.

app (1)

Pharoah_69 (2866937) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483811)

I don't care, no app is going to tell me that I can't have sex with my sister's brother's cousin. ( I jest)

Alternate version for the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483815)

An alternate version is being rolled out in the US, based on a similar principle but with one minor change: recent shared ancestry highlights the "get procreatin'" indicator instead of the warning alert.

Re:Alternate version for the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484343)

Only in the south, or Shelbyville.

Nightmare (5, Funny)

jomama717 (779243) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483833)

"I awoke in a daze - sticky, smelling of stale alcohol, only imagining that her head would hurt as badly as mine when she finally awoke.  Vague memories of drinks, friends, laughter, and sex.  Lots of sex.  As I picked my pants up off the floor, my cell phone fell from the pocket and by some cruel twist of fate tapped her cell phone lying nearby..."

No incest (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483885)

Having sex with your cousin is not incest. Incest is defined to be with direct 1st degree relatives of the same bloodline. You can even marry your cousin - perfectly legal. At least in Germany.

Re:No incest (2)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483957)

As your "At least in Germany" caveat notes, this is highly dependent on jurisdiction (for the legal definition) and cultural norms (for the "eww-that's-gross" definition). In the US, for example, definitions vary at the state level, and first cousins are forbidden to marry in some states. Also variable is how laws cover adopted/step-parent (no biological bloodline) family members.

Re:No incest (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484095)

Even more amusing is that states regularly slagged for being full of "inbred racist rednecks" - such as: Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia, and others... ban marriage of first cousins.

The list of states that allow first cousin marriage include "forward thinking" places like California, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Washington DC, and Oregon. Can't wait to hear the inbreeding jokes about those states!

Q: How do you tell if someone is from California?
A: The hemophilia, mostly.

Re:No incest (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484163)

Things often get banned in response to being pervasive and problematic, and permitted where they're too infrequent to cause widespread public concern. I'm totally unsurprised that the "redneck" states found the need for lots of restrictive inbreeding laws.

Re:No incest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484251)

Wrong. Things are banned where they're considered *problematic* and permitted where they're NOT considered *problematic.* There are literally thousands of examples of things that rarely occur being banned anyway.

Clearly, this means that liberals have decided that fucking your cousin is A-OK, despite the fact that it increases the chance of genetic defects in the children of that union.

Enjoy your weak bloodlines, California.

Re:No incest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484577)

Funny, CA is where I see couples in every race/ethnicity combination wherever I look. Redneckville is where the white and black folks have to keep to their own sides of town, and marrying a Mexican would be a sure way to lose your church pew. Are you seriously going to argue that liberals have less well-hybridized bloodlines than the good republican white folks in Hicktown?

Re:No incest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484645)

Enjoy your weak bloodlines, California.

Because millions and millions of Californians are fucking their cousins, right? Get real dude.

Re:No incest (1)

istartedi (132515) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484695)

Looking at a map [wikipedia.org] is interesting. You're wrong about Oregon. The social divides on this issue aren't as clear-cut as they would be on other issues..

Re:No incest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484917)

Texas only recently made first cousin marriage illegal to combat the problem of polygamist Mormons setting up shop in West Texas.

Re:No incest (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484977)

Even more amusing is that states regularly slagged for being full of "inbred racist rednecks" - such as: Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, West Virginia, and others... ban marriage of first cousins.

Now if only you cared enough to explain us what has inbreeding ever had to do with marriage...?

Re:No incest (3, Funny)

bickerdyke (670000) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484111)

Or differ between Springfield and Shelbyville.

Re:No incest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484433)

Having sex with your pet dog is legal in Germany, I don't think they should be used as an example...

Re:No incest (1)

Tyler Durden (136036) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484913)

That and the age of consent in Germany is 14 [youtube.com] .

It will be very successful app in West Virginia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483897)

It will be very successful app in West Virginia

Re:It will be very successful app in West Virginia (3, Insightful)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483993)

I think it will be *least* popular in West Virginia...don't ask, don't tell XD

Re:It will be very successful app in West Virginia (2)

knight24k (1115643) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484693)

I think it will be *least* popular in West Virginia...don't ask, don't tell XD

Hey, I have relatives in West Virginia you insensitive clod!

.....and a couple ex-girlfriends

....don't ask.

They touched phones...to start. (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483909)

> In Iceland, Tap Cellphones To Avoid Incest

"Well, that's what we thought they'd use it for. Turns out 99% of people used it to find close relatives they didn't know to bang."

Niche-ist of the niche apps (1)

a_big_favor (2550262) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483921)

This app might be one of the most specific uses for a very specific set of people that probably wouldn't use it that often.

Re:Niche-ist of the niche apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484137)

It's use case is to trace your shared ancestry. The article is sensationalized to the max.

Re:Niche-ist of the niche apps (1)

OhSoLaMeow (2536022) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484865)

A few more beers and you're not going to care in either case.

so much incest in iceland (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483951)

i guess they determined so many cousins and brothers and sisters and dads and moms were screwing each other that they needed to know whose who again....

every call is about this thus the gubermint needs to listen.

Gives an added conotation to.... (1)

mark-t (151149) | about a year and a half ago | (#43483965)

... "I'd tap that".

I'm not sure if that's coincidental, or intended.

Let's see with a population of 319,000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43483979)

we throw out 200,000 as either too old, too young, too ugly or the wrong orientation. That leaves a dating pool of about 119,000 or roughly 60,000 of the opposite sex. So yeah you are probally gonna fuck a relative tonight.

In appropriately named article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484021)

I would like to point out that the idea of the application is not to avoid incest, but to see your own family tree and how you are related to other people by bumping your phones together.
There is a hidden (kind of an easter egg) feature which in addition to that sounds a warning sound if you bump phones with close kin.

Regarding incest in small populations is what you regard as a small population. A population in a small town in the middle ages where no one travels across the country to live, will have a high risk of incest. This is true for many areas in Europe in past centuries. However, in Iceland, throughout viking age and ever after, people have travelled for work. Workers travelled between places for jobs, in addition to the higher classes sending some of their children to other high class house holds in foster, for it would show respect and trust between families. Rendering this small population every mixed genetically throughout the entire island.

Surely incest is therefore not a real problem in Iceland, and the reason for the phone app is not to help fighting it, but as a "lulz feature".

Re:In appropriately named article? (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484457)

A population in a small town in the middle ages where no one travels across the country to live, will have a high risk of incest.

That's why fairs were such a big thing. People travelled to them and one of the prime reasons was to have a choice from a wider geographical area.

Of course, another reason was that life back on the farm/small town was boring as all get-out.

LOL ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484029)

True story ... at a recent funeral, it was discovered that my mother's cousin's granddaughter was married to my father's niece's grandson.

There's no blood relation whatsover, but nobody had realized the connection through my parents until they suddenly had someone in the room who came from a completely different family and couldn't figure out why they were there for that family. Took a few minutes to piece together.

I'd be more worried about the fact that cell phone apps can have access to your entire genealogy and ancestry(/incestry ;-) -- that sounds like a horrible privacy situation.

icelandic family tree (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484043)

The entire native icelandic family tree (or, at least, most of it) is compact enough to fit on a promotional t-shirt for Icelandic company deCODE genetics, Inc.

Great quote from "A good year" (4, Funny)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484107)

Guy 1: "Is it illegal to shag your cousin in France?"
Guy 2: "Only if she's ugly."

Interestingly different attitudes to cousin love...some places it's encouraged, others, illegal incest.
10% of marriages worldwide, apparantly...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage [wikipedia.org]

Re:Great quote from "A good year" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484333)

Is this a Gerard Deparedeax quote?

Re:Great quote from "A good year" (1)

LiquidHAL (801263) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484419)

They even made a movie about it, Les Cousins Dangereux.

I like the way they think.

Re:Great quote from "A good year" (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484651)

They even made a movie about it, Les Cousins Dangereux.

I like the way they think.

I prefer the American remake. A lot shorter, and not nearly as creepy.

Re:Great quote from "A good year" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484491)

Guy 1: "Is it illegal to shag your cousin in tribal Afghanistan?"
Guy 2: "No, it's mandatory."

cool app (4, Insightful)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484219)

Without reading TFA, this actually seems like a cool app (if you're Icelandic, that is). It would be interesting to be able to press a button and see how closely related you are to your friends -- "Hey our great-great-great grandmothers were half-sisters!" Things like that. It would be mostly meaningless, but who doesn't want to know who's in the (very) extended family?

Could be useful... (1)

cmdr_klarg (629569) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484223)

Had a similar situation happen to me in college... had first met this girl at a restaurant where she was a waitress. Later on we ended up in the same class, so one day we got together for study time (and to get to know each other better), and I found out her full name at that time. Turns out her last name was the same as my mom's maiden name.

Long story short: After a very short conversation about relatives we found out that my mom and her dad were 1st cousins. Doh! I have never been so disappointed as I was then... :P

Re:Could be useful... (2)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484401)

Long story short: After a very short conversation about relatives we found out that my mom and her dad were 1st cousins. Doh! I have never been so disappointed as I was then... :P

Second cousins, then. Biologically, that makes you basically complete strangers....

Re:Could be useful... (4, Interesting)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484717)

from a genetic standpoint you were safe
sibling share on average what 23 chromosomes :. offspring have and average of 12 dupes
1st cousins share 12 :. 6 dupes
2nd cosines share 6 :. 3 dupes
add in mutation rate in humans of 175 nucleotides per generation per chromosome, and you safe as long as you don't have a family doing it for multiple generations.
socially however you would be frowned upon.

Genetic Makeup (2)

Rob Riggs (6418) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484237)

New, from Mabeline.

Hardly groundbreaking discoveries (1)

Anaerin (905998) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484241)

If you go back far enough, you'll find that you are related to Charlemagne, or Ghandi. The higher you go up your family tree, the more parents, and parents' parents appear, in an (almost) exponential spread. Well, unless you're part of the royal family, or in the deep south of the US, where family trees tend to be a lot... slimmer...

Re:Hardly groundbreaking discoveries (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484463)

If you go back far enough, you'll find that you are related to Charlemagne, or Ghandi.
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Well, unless you're part of the royal family, or in the deep south of the US, where family trees tend to be a lot... slimmer...

And oddly enough, I am both descended from Charlemagne (according to a great-aunt who did some genealogy research several decades ago), and from the Deep South (though I only lived there for one year before I was an adult - career military brat).

Re:Hardly groundbreaking discoveries (4, Interesting)

Rogue Haggis Landing (1230830) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484871)

unless you're part of the royal family, or in the deep south of the US, where family trees tend to be a lot... slimmer...

The classic example of this is, of course, poor mentally and physically disabled Carlos II of Spain [wikipedia.org] of the cousin-bonking Hapsburgs. His father was his mother's uncle, and the family tree [wikipedia.org] just gets worse from there. To quote Wikipedia, "Joanna [of Castile] was two of Charles' 16 great-great-great-grandmothers, six of his 32 great-great-great-great-grandmothers, and six of his 64 great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers." Oh, and Joanna went insane early in her life, so she wasn't exactly a genetic marvel herself. No wonder poor Chuck turned into something only a couple of steps above a wet sack of blubbering goo.

Support for Alabama planned (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484267)

for the next app release

Cousins Not So bad Genetically. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484297)

I think Iceland might want to do some scientific research because they might as well ban older women from having babies, since cousin marriage [wikipedia.org] has about the same risk for genetic abnormalities. Normal marriage has a about 2% chance vs 4% for cousin marriage/older mother. After all animals are breed to even closer relatives quite often.

If they wanted to make a real difference gene testing is the only way to ensure that "bad" genes were breed out of course that would start to be a bit too eugenics for my taste. For social medicine state it would make sense to give free gene screening for any common genetic diseases partners might have for a given race. Also, a similar app could be made that just compared this data. Of course, someone would say lets ban marriage between partners that might give birth to inferior children to save money and of course think of as yet unborn children who wouldn't have to suffer.

Also, the ain't cousin marriage movement was started by eugenics movement and city people are biased against country folk it stuck.

Re:Cousins Not So bad Genetically. (1)

backslashdot (95548) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484587)

Actually the risk of genetic problems in offspring is the same or even less than the risk of problems if a mother is over 40.

Sarah Palin's, and Rick Santorum's, youngest kids have genetic issues because of that. So if we are going to ban incest because it creates a risk of genetic problems, we need to ban older pre-menopausal women from having sex too.

My view is that we should legalize adult consensual incest, with moderate fines for getting pregnant I suppose.

Bullshit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484307)

This project is the byproducts of years of serious scientific research into genetic diseases by a company in Reykjavik called DeCode. The idea is that you can log into the thing with your social security number and trace your ancestry. There is no direct way you can trace the ancestry of other people or check whether you are related to somebody.The only purpose this serves, other than being interesting for geneticists and perhaps historians and genealogists, is to satisfy the Icelander's endless obsession with their ancestry. The further you can trace it back the more snob points you get. Especially if you can trace your ancestry back to the 9th or 10th century. Myself I have gotten as far as Harold Fairhair (lots and lots and lots of snob points), it also made it a bit strange to stand in the Viking Ship museum in Oslo and look at the skeleton of the woman they found in the Oseberg ship since she was in all likelihood the grandmother of Harald and thus my ancestor.

Whoever wrote that piece is either stupid or has a very poor sense of humor. O,h and in case you haven't overdosed on incest jokes:

Question: What happens when you marry your cousins for a thousand years?
Answer: Icelanders.

Question: What happens when you marry your half-sisters for a thousand years?
Answer: The Faeroese.

Incidentally (2)

dorpus (636554) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484449)

When I went to grad school to get my PhD in biostatistics, they taught us in genetic epidemiology class that 1st cousin marriages do not have a significantly higher risk of genetic problems in offspring than marriages by unrelated people.

Some parts of the world where 1st cousin marriages have taken place for many generations do have higher concentrations of some forms of thalassemia. But for a typical American who does not come from such a lineage, the medical risks of first cousin marriages are minimal.

Hell no! (1)

YoungManKlaus (2773165) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484543)

My cousin is totally hot!

Only a concern in nations big on Eugenics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43484569)

It is interesting to note that the taboo on cousins marrying is missing in nations that did not pursue the sickening evil of Eugenics in the first half of the 20th century.

Adolf Hitler actually thanked the Eugenic movement in the USA for providing the 'scientific' background for his 'race' policies in Nazi Germany. America was the heart of the eugenic movement then, and is its heart today. The owners of Slashdot, as backers of the same theory of 'racial purity', push articles like this as the usual crude propaganda.

Of course, it is a curious and interesting fact that when REAL issues of genotype damage arise, due to the US military forces increasingly using so-called 'depleted' uranium weapons against civilian targets, the owners of Slashdot do everything they can to suppress such information. In Iraq, where American forces fully supported by the owners of Slashdot carried out a holocaust in Fallujah, levels of genetic damage and cancer rates exploded amongst the local population. Studies of hair taken from women whose hair growth had been continuous across the period including the atrocities showed the presence of radioactive uranium as well, proving that the US had been using the same uranium bombs (not as conventional nuclear weapons, obviously) as the depraved racist state of Israel in its terror attacks against those Humans the zionists label as 'sub-Human'.

Eugenics, forced sterilization, female genital mutilation, electro-schock torture, and forced lobotomies have all been promoted by the highest scientific journals in the USA. The owners of Slashdot would like to see this tradition continue.

73 Comments so far (4, Funny)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484625)

73 comments so far and no one's linked the obligatory xkcd [xkcd.com] ?

Re:73 Comments so far (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484767)

Meh. Maybe it's sacrilege here but xkcd is overrated IMO.

In Alabama... (4, Funny)

gtbritishskull (1435843) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484701)

Incidentally, in Alabama the same app is used to find dates.

Patronyms and social mores. (2)

wcrowe (94389) | about a year and a half ago | (#43484953)

At first I thought, "How could you not know?" But then I remembered that in Iceland, patronyms are common, and (so I've been told) there are not as many social stigmas surrounding unwed motherhood. So I suppose, when you meet someone, it really is possible that you could be related and not know it.

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