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Google Reinstates Federated Jabber/XMPP Instant Messaging

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the credit-where-credit-is-due dept.

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jrepin writes "A few weeks ago the FSF reported that Google had started blocking invites sent from non-Google Jabber servers. This was done as a crude anti-spam measure. Google have since rolled out proper anti-spam filtering for its Jabber service, and has removed the invite block. This was announced a few days ago in a public mailing list post. This means that users of all Jabber servers will once again be able to fully communicate with Google users."

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One Boston Marathon bomber DEAD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43492791)

The other is on the run. I propose, when caught, he is detonated as the last Afghanistan war veteran crosses the finish line of a voluntary marathon run.

Wenis (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43492825)

Slashdot sucks hard. This site is worse than 4chan.

Fuck Anonymous.

Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

Guruprasad L (1317089) | about a year ago | (#43492829)

Been thinking of setting up my own jabber server, so this is definitely good news.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (4, Informative)

ledow (319597) | about a year ago | (#43492849)

It's not hard. Barely takes ten minutes. We use one in work, tied to our domain.

Install Openfire on your servers (Windows/Linux). Set it up. Install Pidgin on your clients (or whatever you want to use). Set them up.
Stick a SRV record in your DNS (optional, the above is fine for an internal system).
Done.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43493081)

++OpenFire

I stopped using it a few years back and switched to Google Apps because our company shrank down to a few employees, but my experience with OpenFire ranks it as THE BEST XMPP server, at least for companies under 200 employees (my experience level with it).

Its reliable, works with multiple internal/existing auth systems including AcitveDirectory and plain LDAP. Supports a metric fuckton of plugins, some of which add really cool features, and if you've got a Java developer, you can use it for all sorts of silly things.

Its also free (as in no cost) last I used it for the very base software, additional special stuff my cost more but I never needed them for normal XMPP functionality.

If you want to 'try' XMPP for yourself and you're not 40k employees, try OpenFire. The time you save dicking with ejabberd or whatever the latest/shitty C implementation currently is.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521833)

a metric fuckton

I've often wondered why Americans choose to measure sexual opportunity in metric mass units.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

el-tramo (1088521) | about a year ago | (#43493463)

Install Openfire on your servers

Or Prosody if you don't want to waste lots of resources for a server that will only have you and your parents on it.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43493695)

What do you mean lots of resources?
I have openfire running for hundreds of people, in a VM with 512MB of ram.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

el-tramo (1088521) | about a year ago | (#43493811)

in a VM with 512MB of ram.

I only have a VPS at my disposal with about half that amount of RAM (which also has to do other things).

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43493829)

For only a couple users you would be fine.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

el-tramo (1088521) | about a year ago | (#43493955)

For only a couple users you would be fine.

I ran OpenFire for years with only one user. It was always extremely tight, and sometimes too tight (with crucial processes getting killed because they ran out of memory). Your mileage will most probably vary, but for me, I had no choice and had to switch.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43494061)

If prosody works for you, no reason not to use it.

They have gotten a lot better about memory wastage.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43494025)

in a VM with 512MB of ram.

I only have a VPS at my disposal with about half that amount of RAM (which also has to do other things).

Well, I only have a VPS at my disposal with about one-sixteenth of that RAM! And it's only available via dialup! From Madagascar!

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a year ago | (#43502789)

I've been using eJabberd for about a decade but I've heard a few people mention OpenFire recently. What advantage does it have?

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

ron_ivi (607351) | about a year ago | (#43496979)

definitely good news.

How can we thank them in a way they'd notice?

I'm very happy they did it - but hope they don't just undo it again.

Re:Glad to know federated IM will work again (1)

robateastridge (50501) | about a year ago | (#43498769)

I'll be completely happy when they get presence to work too. No idea what that requires on their end...

Why wait for Google? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43492847)

Start using Jabber servers and clients anyway. Now that CISPA has blown through the house, it's bound to blow through the do nothing jack-off's in the senate as well. At that point, as other articles have put it, Google and other online services will essentially be forced into the role of secret police for the state...a role they'll happily accept, as Google is one of the companies pushing for CISPA to pass. As long as the money's rolling in they don't care where it comes from, the "do no evil" slogan is just that. Jabber servers work now, there are good clients that work now. Stop using crap from Google and start using the alternatives, even if they are a bit more difficult. I switched over to using Linux full time on my own PC despite not being very experienced with it, despite it not really living up to my expectations of a complete desktop at times...one because I can't stand Windows 8. and two, it's the best way to send a message to companies like Microsoft and Google, the only one they'll listen to. Stop paying them and they'll have less incentive to act like pricks.

Re:Why wait for Google? (2)

heypete (60671) | about a year ago | (#43493125)

This has nothing to do with directly using Google, this has to do with non-Google users being blocked from sending presence invites to Google users.

Even if you run your own server, there's a lot of people who use Google and it makes sense to be able to communicate properly with them if needed.

It always worked the other direction (3, Insightful)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43492993)

Google users could always request a connection from you. Its not like this was an attempt to stop outside XMPP use. They would have stopped outbound invites as well.

Re:It always worked the other direction (1)

ameen.ross (2498000) | about a year ago | (#43493377)

I though I remembered that outbound invites weren't fully working a few weeks ago either. And it still doesn't work at all with Google Apps accounts.

What about Google Apps? (2)

ameen.ross (2498000) | about a year ago | (#43493333)

I can confirm that it works for regular Gmail users. It doesn't seem to work with Google Apps, however...

Can you trust Google, when you are the product? (-1, Troll)

dehole (1577363) | about a year ago | (#43493491)

Google has shown that they will take away the free services they offer at any time, or even increase the advertising in them to make them almost unusable to some (such as Google Maps).

What Microsoft learned is that you are still going to be profitable if your platform is the major one that people use. Google's free services are really good, but if you choose to use them, you prevent a better alternative from appearing. Since Google supports CISPA, that alone should make you ban all Google products.

Re:Can you trust Google, when you are the product? (4, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43493565)

Google has shown that they will take away the free services they offer at any time, or even increase the advertising in them to make them almost unusable to some (such as Google Maps).

Really? Maybe its regional but I haven't noticed obtrusive advertising on google maps.

Re:Can you trust Google, when you are the product? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43494575)

Google has shown that they will take away the free services they offer at any time, or even increase the advertising in them to make them almost unusable to some (such as Google Maps).

Really? Maybe its regional but I haven't noticed obtrusive advertising on google maps.

You haven't been using the same maps then. Far as I can tell they're advertising the fuck out of Earth, but Mars would make just as good a destination for our mechanoid invasion fleet. I mean, yes, humans can be a bit annoying, but are detailed diagrams of every major infestation really necessary? It's like they're trying to get us to do their dirty work for them.

Re:Can you trust Google, when you are the product? (1)

Lennie (16154) | about a year ago | (#43496737)

Yes, this definitely seems regional, I'm in a country in Europe and I've never seen a lot of advertising on google maps.

Re:Can you trust Google, when you are the product? (1)

swillden (191260) | about a year ago | (#43497185)

Yes, this definitely seems regional, I'm in a country in Europe and I've never seen a lot of advertising on google maps.

I think it's mostly a reading comprehension issue.

Good move (3, Interesting)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43493591)

I thought the blocking of external clients was a bad move, setting up a walled garden chat. This has reassured me that they really were looking at the spam issue, bit blocking competition.

Great news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43494367)

for all 10 Jabber users!

S2S STARTTLS? (2)

akanouras (1431981) | about a year ago | (#43495409)

Hope some Googler can answer this:

Why is Google not enabling STARTTLS on S2S XMPP connections?

It baffles me that emails I send to Gmail users are more safe from eavesdropping than IMs.

That's cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43495899)

Thanks Google. Me and my family are on Linux and we like Pidgin.
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