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Baseball Software Can't Score What Jean Segura Did Friday

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the for-some-values-of-uncommon dept.

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JimboFBX writes "Interesting piece of baseball history happened on Friday. Jean Segura of the Milwaukee Brewers stole second, tried to steal third too early, but made it back to second before being tagged. The problem was that teammate Ryan Braun already made it to second on the steal attempt. After tags were applied to both baserunners, Segura started trotting to the dugout before realizing that he wasn't out, Braun was, and his only option was to make it back to first. He then of course proceeded to try to steal second base again. The software for keeping the box score? Doesn't (yet) support someone running backwards on the bases. Looks like that will have to change." Here is video of the sequence.

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Had this same problem with women (5, Funny)

Cyfun (667564) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506729)

I've had this same problem with women. One day you can get to second or even third base, then suddenly you're sent scrambling for first again. Wasn't sure how to score that either, but as long as you're still in the game, it's a win, right? ;)

Re:Had this same problem with women (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506799)

Ah, but there's truly no place like 'home'!

Re:Had this same problem with women (5, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506883)

Go straight to fifth base. If you get there, you win, if not, you're saved the trouble of trying for the others.

Re:Had this same problem with women (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507009)

What's fifth-, ... oh! Never mind

Re:Had this same problem with women (1)

mcneely.mike (927221) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507117)

It's like the 19th hole in golf. :)

Re:Had this same problem with women (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507415)

Anal?

Re:Had this same problem with women (1)

blackraven14250 (902843) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507215)

I wish I had mod points for this comment!

Re:Had this same problem with women (1)

balise (82851) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506969)

Yup.

Re:Had this same problem with women (1)

swilde23 (874551) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507187)

It's not so much about what you are able to do one day vs the next... it's when you get caught trying to steal third base, and are sent scrambling back to second, only to find out that it's already occupied. Thinking you're done, you head back to the couch, only to realize that first base is still open... and there you go, safe!

Reminds me of this book (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506731)

A treasury of wacky baseball rules situations [amazon.com] , now out of print (watch out for more recent titles with the same name, chances are it's a completely different book).

I remember getting approx. 0 percent right.

Re:Reminds me of this book (0, Troll)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506907)

Weird baseball fact: If you hit an out of the park home run, you do not have to run the bases. It still counts as a run.

Re:Reminds me of this book (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506971)

Are you sure? Can I please get a source on that?

The following links says otherwise. (Though admittedly they are unreferenced and generally not trust-worthy).
1 [yahoo.com]
2 [yahoo.com]
3 [yahoo.com]
4 [yahoo.com]
5 [answers.com]
6 [straightdope.com]

Re:Reminds me of this book (5, Informative)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507059)

Alright, I'm gonna have to call myself 'out' on this. Rules say you have to touch all the bases or it doesn't count. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_you_have_to_run_the_bases_if_you_hit_a_homerun [answers.com]

Also, rule 5.06 applies... http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/ball_in_play_5.jsp [mlb.com]

I learned an urban myth as a kid, I guess. Something about Babe Ruth not having to run the bases after he hit another out, he ran them for the crowd.

Re:Reminds me of this book (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507093)

It takes real courage to admit your own mistakes. You have my respects.

Re:Reminds me of this book (5, Funny)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507127)

It takes real courage to admit your own mistakes. You have my respects.

Thanks, it's my first. There was one other time in my life where I thought I made a mistake, fortunately it turned out I was wrong! :^)

Re:Reminds me of this book (4, Interesting)

sconeu (64226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507347)

When they resumed the infamous "Pine Tar" game, several months later, Billy Martin appealed at each base, claiming that George Brett didn't touch all the bases.

However, the umpires were ready, and had affadavits from the original umpiring crew stating that he had.

Re:Reminds me of this book (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507065)

You have NO idea what you're talking about. Ask Robin Ventura, who hit a ball out of the park with the bases loaded, but was mobbed before he could round second base: he was officially credited with a single, known to Mets fans as "The Grand Slam Single." Game 5 1999 NLCS.

Re:Reminds me of this book (5, Informative)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507153)

I couldn't click your hyperlink (I think because of the space in it) on my tablet, found it on wiki:

The game was tied 2–2, going into the top of the 15th inning, until Mets pitcher Octavio Dotel gave up an RBI triple to Keith Lockhart, giving the Braves a 3–2 lead. In the bottom of the 15th inning, the Mets loaded the bases against Braves relief pitcher Kevin McGlinchy. Mets catcher Todd Pratt drew a bases loaded walk, tying the score 3–3.

The next batter was Mets third baseman Robin Ventura. Ventura crushed the 2–1 pitch over the wall in right-center for an ostensible grand slam, winning the game for the Mets and driving the Mets players and fans into a frenzied celebration. Ventura, however, never reached second base as Todd Pratt, the runner who was on first, picked up Ventura in celebration. Subsequently, Ventura was mobbed by his teammates, never finishing his trot around the bases. Because he failed to touch all four bases, the hit was officially scored a single. Roger Cedeño, the runner on third at the time, was ruled the only runner to have crossed home plate before the on-field celebration began and the Mets were awarded a 4-3 victory. Thus, Ventura was only credited with a single and one RBI. As a result, there had never been an official walk-off grand slam in MLB postseason history until Nelson Cruz hit one to allow the Texas Rangers to beat the Detroit Tigers 7–3 in Game 2 of the American League Championship Series on October 10, 2011.

And the video on MLB.com http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13062971 [mlb.com]

Re:Reminds me of this book (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507301)

All bases have to be touched, including home plate. If the hitter is unable to make it, a pinch-runner will have to do it for him, it's happened before.
I've also played in a game where the hitter who hit the homerun was so ecstatic that he missed first base during his homerun trot. On the next plate appearance the pitcher pitched out to first base and the previous batter was called out, so no homerun on that at-bat!

Re:Reminds me of this book (4, Interesting)

swalve (1980968) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507135)

Was this guy in the book? [wikipedia.org] My great grand uncle.

Re:Reminds me of this book (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507203)

Your great grand uncle inspired "Take Me Out to the Ball Game". Cool!

Re:Reminds me of this book (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507271)

Your uncle stole first base! w00t!

I bet BROCK didn't have that play...

(YouTube) footage? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506737)

Even after reading the summary twice, I still have no idea what happened.
Doesn't help that I live in Europe where we basically don't care about Baseball.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (2)

JustOK (667959) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506789)

It's exactly like soccer.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (4, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506853)

It's exactly like soccer.

No, if it was like soccer, it would have taken at least 45 minutes to happen, five yellow cards would have been given out, and three fights would have broken out in the stands for no apparent reason.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Funny)

peragrin (659227) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506857)

yea but the score would be the same. 2-0

Re:(YouTube) footage? (4, Funny)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506925)

Since when could they score twice in 45 minutes in soccer?

Re:(YouTube) footage? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507073)

I know you're being funny, but Valencia scored 4 goals in the first 8 minutes of a match earlier today.

Then they scored one goal in the remaining 82 minutes, but whatever. Football owns and you're wrong.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (3, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507371)

Football owns and you're wrong.

Yes it does. Soccer, however, is kind of a funny sport.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506955)

And the untouched baserunner would have flopped to the ground clutching his shin and grimacing.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Funny)

fermion (181285) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507033)

A professor of mine told us why he thought baseball was so frustrating. He was at a bar and a batter was just getting up to base. He went home, turned on the TV, and the same batter us still up.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Interesting)

thoth (7907) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506815)

Segura attempted to steal third base too early, before the pitcher delivered the ball. Thus when Braun and Segura both wound up on 2nd, only Braun was out - Segura's attempted steal wasn't legit (Segura should never have left the base) therefore Braun's position was invalid and he was tagged. I think had Segura waited he would have been tagged out, since if his steal attempt was legit then Braun's position was fine and Segura would have been invalid.

Anyway, while going back to the dugout he realized he wasn't out, and apparently there is an loophole in the rules which allowed his to then run to the closest available base to be safe, which happened to be first.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

polymeris (902231) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506891)

Thanks. Not the AC, but was in the same situation.

Nomen est omen. Of course Segura finds a way to be safe.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506967)

Is it against the rules for the runner to steal a base before a pitcher delivers? I find that strange because the pitcher can throw to the 2nd/1st baseman before they deliver the pitch to earn an out... why shouldn't a runner have the same opportunity ?

Re:(YouTube) footage? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506989)

No, it's just not a good idea to do from second base where a right-handed pitcher can easily see you leading off and stealing. That also depends on whether the pitcher is throwing from the wind-up or the stretch. Typically, a pitcher delivers from the stretch with runners on base, as the motion is quicker and he can more easily see runners on 1st attempting to steal.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507011)

I hate replying to my own comment, but throwing from the wind-up allows for a delivery mechanic that is more powerful. More force = faster pitch = faster reaction time required to hit. That's why I like baseball - just the act of delivering a pitch has so much complexity that such slight changes can result in differentiation of game outcomes.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Informative)

sk999 (846068) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507123)

It is not against the rules, and I saw it happen, when Willie Davis of the Dodgers stole second against the New York Mets while the pitcher held the ball the entire time. This was way back when the Mets played in the Polo Grounds. Even thought the Mets were bad, it was still not a nice thing to do. It was one of many incidents that has led to my current mantra:

"If the Dodgers lose, it was a good day in baseball"

Re:(YouTube) footage? (2)

murdocj (543661) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507281)

As a San Francisco fan, any day the LA Dodgers or the Dallas Cowboys lose, it's a good day, period.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507085)

When looking at the video it looks clear to me that BOTH runners were out at second! Sequra tried to steal third but was forced back to second. Braun stole second base. Because this play was not a forced run Sequra had the right to base. Both runners were tagged while they were on second base. That meant Braun was out because he was the one without the right to be there if I'm understanding the rules of baseball correctly. Now if you watch the video you'll see that Sequra got up and got tagged again while he was OFF the base. At that point he was also out. The best thing that could have been done was for them both to stay on the base and let the umpire call who was out and who had the right to the base.

This whole issue about a loophole in the rules allowing him to go back to first is a moot point because it seems clear from the video he was not on the base when he got tagged the second time.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507341)

You're right, but the ump didn't see the second tag on Segura while he was calling Braun out. I suppose if the home-plate ump saw it, he could have over-ruled the call. The third baseman didn't need to tag Braun either because he would've been out anyways, the tagging was just for good measure.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507259)

From what I understand of the link: Segura made multiple minor league baserunning mistakes in this play.
Segura was leading off second base and could have attempted to steal third base regardless if the pitcher threw the ball home or not, he just made his first baserunning mistake and went too early for third and saw that the pitcher could have easily thrown him out at third, so then Segura ran back to second before the pitcher could attempt to pick him off at second. Braun made it to second base, and in that situation Braun is automatically called out because two baserunners cannot occupy the same base at the same time. Segura's second baserunning mistake was when he thought he was tagged out on the play, so he started running back to the dugout. A runner more heads-up would know to just stay on second base. So Segura was still safely within the basepath when he was going back to the dugout (if he was outside of the basepath he'd be out) and was close enough to first base that the first base coach told him to get on first base and stay there. Segura possibly made a third mistake when he was never called out by an umpire, yet he still thought he was out on the play.
Segura later attempted to steal second again, but was caught stealing second base, after he had previously stole second base in the same inning without the team batting around. Very bizarre indeed.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (2)

murdocj (543661) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507277)

Seems bizarre that Braun is standing on the bag... but he's considered "out". I mean, you can try steal any time the ball is in play, and presumably when the pitcher is getting ready to deliver the ball to the plate, it's considered "in play".

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

stwf (108002) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507353)

Braun was out because you aren't allowed to pass a baserunner. So the minute they were in the same place he was out. But Segura thought he was out and started walking off the field. No one tagged him at that point though and he was near ehough to first base that by the time someone figured it out he got there before anyone tagged him.
But then he tried to steal second again and got caught, double idiot

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

grimJester (890090) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506919)

One guy tried to run along three sides of a square and realized he wouldn't make it. He turned back to the second corner from where he started, but that was occupied by some other guy who had come running after him. It looked like both of them were out of the game, but due to an obscure ruling he had the option of moving to the first corner.

I know nothing about baseball either, but I think that's the main idea.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507433)

One guy tried to run along three sides of a square and realized he wouldn't make it. He turned back to the second corner from where he started, but that was occupied by some other guy who had come running after him. It looked like both of them were out of the game, but due to an obscure ruling he had the option of moving to the first corner. I know nothing about baseball either, but I think that's the main idea.

Funny, but you're a little late. The naive bumpkin interpreting a sporting event shtick [youtube.com] is at least 60 years old.

Re:(YouTube) footage? (3, Informative)

elashish14 (1302231) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507083)

I think clip is available here: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45278350&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb [mlb.com] - you can clearly see the runner trotting off the field before he realizes that he's not out and safely reaches first.

Also, in this year's World Baseball Classic, Italy made it to the second round (top 8 of 16) and the Netherlands reached the semifinals (top 4). Not a bad showing for the Europeans....

Re:(YouTube) footage? (4, Funny)

myowntrueself (607117) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507355)

I think clip is available here: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45278350&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb [mlb.com] - you can clearly see the runner trotting off the field before he realizes that he's not out and safely reaches first.

Also, in this year's World Baseball Classic, Italy made it to the second round (top 8 of 16) and the Netherlands reached the semifinals (top 4). Not a bad showing for the Europeans....

Wow, so one day there might be a true international baseball competition. It should be called 'The World Series'.

doesn't make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506743)

Segura was out when he abandoned the bases by "trotting back to the dugout". You can't do that and come back.

Re:doesn't make sense (2)

Jorgensen (313325) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506827)

bases, trotting, dugout!? What IS this? Some sort of millitary or pig (of the oinking kind) reference? C'mon... just ONE clue would be nice!

Re:doesn't make sense (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506877)

bases, trotting, dugout!? What IS this? Some sort of millitary or pig (of the oinking kind) reference? C'mon... just ONE clue would be nice!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=baseball+trotting+dugout [lmgtfy.com]

not just software.. my wetware is confused too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506747)

what would abbot & costello say about all this?

Re:not just software.. my wetware is confused too (2)

BigMike (122378) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506823)

Segura's on first.

Re:not just software.. my wetware is confused too (3)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506983)

For those who never saw Abbot and Costello's "Who's on First" routine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA4LcsyczA8 [youtube.com]

Actually, the problem is... (-1, Flamebait)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506753)

...that JimboFBX needs to get a life. It's fucking Baseball. Seriously, not News for Nerds *or* Stuff that Matters.

Competitive sleeping is more exciting / interesting than baseball (or NASCAR).

Re:Actually, the problem is... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506779)

It's fucking Baseball. Seriously, not News for Nerds *or* Stuff that Matters.

Ahem. [tvtropes.org]

Re:Actually, the problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506795)

I couldn't agree more. +1 internets to you sir.

I'll add that sometimes I think baseball only exists so that wannabe numerologists can get off on all the stats.

Re:Actually, the problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506869)

I'll add that sometimes I think baseball only exists so that wannabe numerologists can get off on all the stats.

Absolutely! And that's nerdy, and that's why this belongs on /..

That play was one of the coolest things I've seen since Martin Prado flipped his bat away only to have it land on end:
Bat lands on end [youtube.com] .

Re:Actually, the problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506813)

You think there aren't baseball nerds?
Why don't you list for us exactly what subjects are nerd-worthy and which aren't?

Re:Actually, the problem is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506851)

Some nerds actually enjoy the game of baseball. There is a lot of strategy and nuance that people who aren't familiar with the game don't understand, like any other recreational activity.

Re:Actually, the problem is... (1)

swilly (24960) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506899)

To quote professor Frink, "Baseball is a game played by the dextrous, but only understood by the pointdexterous."

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a Youtube clip to link to. The episode is "MoneyBart" (Season 22, Episode 3).

Re:Actually, the problem is... (2)

tqk (413719) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507105)

...that JimboFBX needs to get a life. It's fucking Baseball.

The story is about the software used to score games. It appears to have a very difficult to surface bug.

Apart from that, you're an idiot. It's a game of physics, hundred plus mile an hour fastballs through palmballs. It's Mike Scioscia "smallball" vs. the New York Yankees payroll. It's Spring training vs. World Series vs. World Baseball Classic. It's dirt poor kids in sandlots in the Dominican Republic or Venezuela making it to The Show and becoming national heroes. It's seeing Fernando Valenzuela playing against the Calgary Cannons, fighting his way back into the majors (he made it).

Beats the crap out of shit like the NFL and NBA and there's no cheerleaders or glitzy half-time shows.

what?? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506783)

... Who's on first?

Re:what?? (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506863)

... Who's on first?

I don't know.

Re:what?? (1)

uberdilligaff (988232) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507079)

No, I Don't Know's on third. What's on second.

Unexpected shit happens (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506819)

This is one of the reasons you should make sure that users can manually edit things, even if they are fully automated.

Yes, this allows users to break stuff but then it's their responsibility. More importantly it allows people to work around the system and solve unforeseen problems.

fir5t po5t (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506833)

To write software that can score baseball (0, Troll)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506835)

we would need a human who understands it first.

Re:To write software that can score baseball (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506865)

If you can't understand baseball you're fucking retarded.

Actually, no, wait, most retarded people can understand baseball. It's fucking simple. Hit ball. Run.

If you'd ever left your house you MIGHT know how to play.

Re:To write software that can score baseball (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507047)

For real. There's probably a cricket game right now that started before that game, is still going on, where the humans that are there don't really know why they're even there let alone understand it, and no one is watching on TV/internet either... That said, I strongly dislike baseball and absolutely hate cricket :)

Re:To write software that can score baseball (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507245)

"Baseball has the great advantage over cricket of being sooner ended." - George Bernard Shaw

Re:To write software that can score baseball (1)

SpeedBump0619 (324581) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507067)

Oh, so it's cricket. Hit ball; Run.

Dear god, wait. You didn't give any indication when to stop running. Do you just keep running until the game is called on account of exhaustion? Holy Hell. No wonder there's no fat guys.

Re:To write software that can score baseball (4, Informative)

jfengel (409917) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507133)

No, that's what retarded people think "understanding baseball" means. The rule book is actually littered with dozens of complications: ground rule double, infield fly rule, fourth-out rule, etc. The basics of the game are simple, but there are a lot of corner cases in unusual situations, including the one this article is talking about.

Will it ever end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506855)

A terrorist bombing, an explosion and now this!

George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (4, Interesting)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506861)

Baseball is different from any other sport, very different. For instance, in most sports you score points or goals; in baseball you score runs. In most sports the ball, or object, is put in play by the offensive team; in baseball the defensive team puts the ball in play, and only the defense is allowed to touch the ball. In fact, in baseball if an offensive player touches the ball intentionally, he's out; sometimes unintentionally, he's out.

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

In most sports the team is run by a coach; in baseball the team is run by a manager. And only in baseball does the manager or coach wear the same clothing the players do. If you'd ever seen John Madden in his Oakland Raiders uniform,you'd know the reason for this custom.

Now, I've mentioned football. Baseball & football are the two most popular spectator sports in this country. And as such, it seems they ought to be able to tell us something about ourselves and our values.

I enjoy comparing baseball and football:

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game. Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Baseball is played on a diamond, in a park.The baseball park! Football is played on a gridiron, in a stadium, sometimes called Soldier Field or War Memorial Stadium.

Baseball begins in the spring, the season of new life. Football begins in the fall, when everything's dying.

In football you wear a helmet. In baseball you wear a cap.

Football is concerned with downs - what down is it? Baseball is concerned with ups - who's up?

In football you receive a penalty. In baseball you make an error.

In football the specialist comes in to kick. In baseball the specialist comes in to relieve somebody.

Football has hitting, clipping, spearing, piling on, personal fouls, late hitting and unnecessary roughness. Baseball has the sacrifice.

Football is played in any kind of weather: rain, snow, sleet, hail, fog... In baseball, if it rains, we don't go out to play.

Baseball has the seventh inning stretch. Football has the two minute warning.

Baseball has no time limit: we don't know when it's gonna end - might have extra innings. Football is rigidly timed, and it will end even if we've got to go to sudden death.

In baseball, during the game, in the stands, there's kind of a picnic feeling; emotions may run high or low, but there's not too much unpleasantness. In football, during the game in the stands, you can be sure that at least twenty-seven times you're capable of taking the life of a fellow human being.

And finally, the objectives of the two games are completely different:

In football the object is for the quarterback, also known as the field general, to be on target with his aerial assault, riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz, even if he has to use shotgun. With short bullet passes and long bombs, he marches his troops into enemy territory, balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack that punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line.

In baseball the object is to go home! And to be safe! - I hope I'll be safe at home! - George Carlin

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/humor7.shtml [baseball-almanac.com]

George Carlin - “Baseball is the only major sport that appears backward in a mirror”

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (1)

Reality Man (2890429) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506927)

Don't forget the overt homo-eroticism in both.

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (1)

hey hey hey (659173) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507095)

Baseball is a nineteenth-century pastoral game. Football is a twentieth-century technological struggle.

Nice to see I'm not the only one who likes George Carlin!

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (2)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507183)

He was great, I'm gonna miss his points of view. Here's the audio on YouTube, from his records I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRfhbEUkg7o [youtube.com]

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507239)

So, you're saying this is like Whack-Bat?

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507257)

But its not Cricket!
Also have to point out an error:

Also: in football,basketball, soccer, volleyball, and all sports played with a ball, you score with the ball and in baseball the ball prevents you from scoring.

(Bold added by me).
Cricket is also a sport where the ball also prevents you from scoring.

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507319)

Point taken, sir. Europeans say they don't understand baseball, well, cricket totally baffles me! (I'm a New Yorker)

You hit the ball, keep running between two poles until the ball is thrown back, and each time you touch a pole is a 'run', right? Does England not have the room for a proper field? Do you need the U.S. to donate some bases for you over there? And is it true you have to drink a pint before you run from a pole? I've got questions...

Re:George Carlin: Baseball vs Football (0)

QQBoss (2527196) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507329)

Any game with tea breaks doesn't qualify as a sport.

Furthermore, any game bet played while not-sober shouldn't be in the Olympics (yeah, I am looking at you, curling!).

What is the Point of this Software? (0)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506889)

We are always going to need referees who know the rules of the game, so what purpose could this software ever serve?

Re:What is the Point of this Software? (1)

tirerim (1108567) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507021)

Record keeping. Did you think that it was all passed down as oral tradition?

Re:What is the Point of this Software? (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507055)

What does a software package that scores a game have to do with record keeping.

If you we were talking about record keeping we would be talking about storage, not software.

Re:What is the Point of this Software? (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507129)

This is the software that codes those records for storage. "Scoring" in baseball in this sense means compiling the records of what happened in the game, the kind of stuff you see printed in a newspaper box score and stored in game databases.

AND FOR THE REST OF SUMMER ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43506935)

We can all be bleacher bums, because, face it, it is baseball !! Strike !! Ball !! Swing (miss) !! ... Walk. Ground out. Fly out. Strike out !! Come on back, folks, we got 17 more of these !!

Sure it can. Watch. * (1)

leftie (667677) | about a year and a half ago | (#43506999)

Everybody knows what an asterisk is for.

Re:Sure it can. Watch. * (1)

swilly (24960) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507013)

To indicate that a record is somehow tainted, right?

figgers it has to happen in a cubs game (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507029)

figgers it has to happen in a cubs game when the cubs play odd stuff happens in the games.

they should add more video replay when updating th (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507035)

they should add more video replay when updating the software.

Better summary title... in Spanish (1)

fibonacci8 (260615) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507051)

la seguridad por oscuridad

Baseball is statistics masturbation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507091)

Especially if you don't play it.

Aren't you out automatically if u go off basepath? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507107)

"Segura started trotting to the dugout before realizing that he wasn't out, Braun was, and his only option was to make it back to first."

Sounds like he should be out automatically for trotting to the dugout and then going to first.

zzz (-1, Offtopic)

shinzawai (964083) | about a year and a half ago | (#43507145)

I fell asleep reading the summary.

Re:zzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507349)

I'm really confused as to why this is "news". So some software doesn't support a feature? That's nice, I guess, but not very newsworthy.

Re:zzz (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43507419)

News is not written anywhere on this site, therefore anything is appropriate.
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