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TSA Accepting Public Comments On Whole Body Airport Screening

timothy posted about a year ago | from the would-they-lie-to-you? dept.

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New submitter trims writes "The TSA is now in the public comment stage of its project to roll out Advanced Imaging Technology (i.e. full-body X-ray) scanners. The TSA wants your feedback as to whether or not this project should be continued or cancelled. Now is your chance to tell the TSA that this is a huge porkbarrel project and nothing more than Security Theater. You can comment at http:///www.regulations.gov and reference the docket ID TSA-2013-0004." Note: the backscatter X-ray machines are being phased out, in favor of millimeter-wave systems; the linked documents give the government's side of the story when it comes to efficacy, safety, privacy, and worth. The comment period runs until June 24.

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Yes but... (4, Funny)

flyingfsck (986395) | about a year ago | (#43507439)

Will it detect a pressure cooker?

Re:Yes but... (4, Funny)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43507709)

Will it detect a pressure cooker?

If you swallow it, no.

Re:Yes but... (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#43507777)

i get confused... the machine i see most commonly is the one that's like a phone booth, and the column swings around. what kind is this? is this the kind that is backscatter, or millimeter?

Re:Yes but... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507787)

backscatter, or millimeter?

"Unnecessary" is the word you're looking for.

Re:Yes but... (4, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43507835)

ALWAYS opt-out.

If they ask you why - which has happened to me in a very challenging fashion - say: "Because I want to."

Plan an extra 20-30 minutes on your arrival. It never takes that long. Have everything empty from your pockets and take off a belt, if any.

It's not as intrusive as the panicky say. Make sure you are clear that you want the screening in place, not in a private area.

"And friends, somewhere in Washington, enshrined in some little folder, is a study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into the shrink wherever you are, just walk in say 'Shrink, You can get anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.' And walk out. You know, if one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony, they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them. And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in singin' a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is, the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement, and all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the guitar."

Ah, now the delays make sense (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507449)

Years of delays, violating a court other many wondered what the heck was up with the TSA delaying this public comment.

Now it's clear: They were waiting for a terrorist attack.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (5, Informative)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year ago | (#43507569)

Homegrown Terrorist attack.
But I will still not give up my liberty for my security. I will die for my Freedom and rights, including being a victim of an attack.
Unfortunately, I am not the only one in this country... so I must yield to societies decision.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (-1, Troll)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year ago | (#43507599)

So, you don't have a wife and children who depend on you?

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507659)

Letting your children grow up with their liberties pre-sacrificed for the appearance of security is just downright irresponsible. If you think terrorism is a major threat to them please take statistics classes or start crusades against the long list of more dangerous things first.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507673)

But I will still not give up my liberty for my security. I will die for my Freedom and rights, including being a victim of an attack.

So, you don't have a wife and children who depend on you?

Does that mean people that went to fight Hitler didn't have children and wives? They did. They went to fight the Nazis to preserve security in the US and the western world for their kids and wives.

Just like the GP, he's ready to die to liberty maybe so his/her children can enjoy some of it too. It is not just whether you survive, but whether the bits of the laws that survive you are worth it.

PS. If you are so worried about getting blown up, perhaps you should be worried about getting killed by some moron texting on their phone while driving, or drunk/drugged driver, or some moron speeding and T-boning your car. Or if you have a gun, perhaps you should be worried that you will die because of that gun (98%+ of all domestic deaths are caused by a gun in the house, not by external gun).

But perhaps you think you are special and statistics do not apply to you. That's what most people think too.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (5, Insightful)

elashish14 (1302231) | about a year ago | (#43507745)

Having a family is not an excuse for being a coward. If anything, it's a reason not to be a coward, so you can set an example for others and the future.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43507853)

+ + + + + wisdom

Telling your children that they should be brave, while acting like a wimpy douche is nothing short of hypocricy.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508087)

Actually it's about one letter short.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43507829)

Two immigrants go on a murder spree - and you call it "homegrown"? I don't. Maybe you missed the fact that one brother is a NATURALIZED citizen of this country, and the other never bothered or made any attempt to become a citizen. Maybe you should familiarize yourself with a dictionary, and the English language. Or, even horticulture. You can't buy an apple tree sapling in a pot, bring it home to sit on your patio, then claim that it is "homegrown".

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43508187)

Two immigrants have had excessive contact with the FBI. It is well documented. Either (a) those immigrants were believed to be "okay" and passed into society after the FBI's scrutiny making them members of society here or (b) they are patsies sponsored by the FBI.

We have more pictorial evidence of the "Craft" contractors being invovled than we have of these two immigrants. Think on what information is available instead of what you are told you should believe. The information available doesn't look like the information we are being given.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43508211)

You're not addressing what I said at all. I stated that these are immigrants, and that they are not "home grown". I might be from Zimbabwe, or Canada, or Mars, - if I wasn't born and raised in Moscow, then I can't claim to be a "home grown" Muscovite, now can I? It wouldn't matter how many times the successors of the KGB interviewed me - I still wouldn't be a native Muscovite.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43507867)

But I will still not give up my liberty for my security. I will die for my Freedom and rights, including being a victim of an attack.
Unfortunately, I am not the only one in this country... so I must yield to societies decision.

Now you're jumping to conclusions, and ignoring the obvious solution.
Do you think it a futile endeavor to convince society to make the right decisions by sharing your mind with others?
Have you no drive to become everyone in the society? This is why you will be assimilated: As predicted, your resistance is futile.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508141)

I agree 100%. We send our young men and women in the armed forces to die everyday to defend our freedom, but yet we're too cowardly to get on an airplane without being virtually strip searched and allowing our children to be molested by federal agents? We should all be ashamed of ourselves.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43508175)

Liberty has NEVER been something you "give up." You can't give it up while the next person keeps his. It is something everyone has or no one has. So to correct your statement, your liberty is being TAKEN with apologies and excuses given. So what you're saying is you're not accepting of their apologies or excuses. What follows is what you plan to DO about your liberties being taken.

It's probably already too late for me to secure firearms -- I don't have any now but I might be attending the next gun show in my area. But I will be practicing my head shots because I am quite sure my next enemy will be wearing a vest and may even be wearing a riot mask. But a head shot at a riot mask will give someone cause to pause. I probably won't last long after that but still. I expect to be one of many.

The government is not "the people" and I get offended every time I hear the government referred to in that way. (You know, "the people vs. ....") The people are the people and when government employees take arms against "the people" they become enemies of "the people." *I* am the people. I pay taxes. I work for a living. I harm no one. *I* am no one's enemy. And *I* will not be the one making the first aggressive moves. We've got a big problem building and I find it HARD to believe that anyone would feel safer with a bunch of uniformed jackboots walking around with "assault weapons."

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507661)

Seriously, does anyone know when the schedule for the public commenting stage was set? I'd like to think this was a coincidence, but it really does seem like they purposely waited for a terrorist attack before accepting comments.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (5, Insightful)

Mitreya (579078) | about a year ago | (#43507671)

Years of delays, violating a court other many wondered what the heck was up with the TSA delaying this public comment.

Now it's clear: They were waiting for a terrorist attack.

Give them some credit.
They may also be looking for reasons to phase out millimeter-wave systems for super-duper-wave systems. These machines cost $250K/pop and don't do shit to detect anything. The contractors who made the first batch and then the replacement batch must be salivating already.

Where do I sign up to deliver machines without any quality control? I can do it much cheaper.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (4, Funny)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43507863)

I can deliver witching sticks for less than ten dollars each. THEN, I can train agents to use those sticks for less than a hundred dollars each!

Or, if you prefer, I can supply magic wands, with or without pixie dust, for less than fifty dollars each. I don't offer training for magic wands though - it will be the government's responsibility to locate and/or train qualified wizards.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (3, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43507969)

Where do I sign up to deliver machines without any quality control? I can do it much cheaper.

US Department of Homeland Security
ATTN: Office of Security Technology System Planning and Evaluation Group
Transportation Security Administration
601 South 12th Street
Arlington, VA 22202-4220

Make sure you ask for their blanket immunity from prosecution plan, which also has options to avoid house oversight committees and contractual exemptions that all other federal agencies must comply with, like, for example, a requirement to choose the lowest-cost contract that meets requirements.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43507683)

Now it's clear: They were waiting for a terrorist attack.

And yet I couldn't find a single comment in support, even right after a terrorist attack, on the webpage, until about 10 pages in. And you know what? It'd still be a bad idea even if there was a boston bomber situation every month from now until doomsday. But you know what they say about our most inept public agency... "You can't cure stupid."

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (1, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43508203)

I'd like to see a new program put into place:

Forget "air marshalls" Start handing pistols to people with willingness and a profile that works when you board a plane. Screw searching people for weapons and dangerous items. Make sure a deterrent is available. So far, the only REAL terrorist threats have been defeated by civilians beating the crap out of assholes. The people believe the threats are real and so far, people have demonstrated a willingness to take action against those threats. Proof that there are not quite as many sheeple as the government seems to think is right out there for everyone to see. Someone will be there to step up. And presently... those are the people the government is watching. That's military/ex-military (like me) and Christians. It makes sense if you think about it.

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507715)

Wait. Comments again on their ineffectual and detrimental(as in unless it's 1k miles I'm driving) policies?!

Re:Ah, now the delays make sense (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507809)

FYI, the public comment period began nearly a month ago (26 March)

Way ahead of you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507453)

I wrote my comment on my dick and thought about a naked and petrified Natalie Portman as I went through the body scanner.

A throbbing, fully erect penis is a strong statement in a body scanner and on the subway.

It says, "Hey! Look at my throbbing penis!"

Re:Way ahead of you (0)

Ultra64 (318705) | about a year ago | (#43507463)

"naked and petrified Natalie Portman"

We're in 2013 now, not 2000.

Re:Way ahead of you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507553)

I don't care if she got knocked up by a frog, I'd still eat the peanuts out of her shit.

Re:Way ahead of you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507505)

In Soviet Union, Natalie Portmans fully erect penis makes a statement in the bathhouse.It says "! !"

Timing? (2)

mosb1000 (710161) | about a year ago | (#43507479)

Isn't it a little late for a public comment period?

Re:Timing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507517)

If a majority agree, job well done. For any dissenters, re-education.

Re:Timing? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507525)

Just the right timing after the Boston incident to gain supporters for the TSA's agenda...

Re:Timing? (2)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43507641)

Isn't it a little late for a public comment period?

Welcome to America. We shoot first then ask question later.
If you're far enough north we'll do it half in French, then apologize.

Re:Timing? (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43507851)

Huh? The French-speaking part of America is in the south, Louisiana. Though that French can hardly be called French at all.

Re:Timing? (0)

mosb1000 (710161) | about a year ago | (#43508021)

Most south-American nations speak Spanish. I think you're confusing the US with America.

Re:Timing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508095)

"America", without "North" or "South" preceding it, refers to the US. One can also say "the Americas" to refer to both continents. You know all this. Don't be obtuse.

Re:Timing? (1)

mosb1000 (710161) | about a year ago | (#43508143)

Nope. America can refer to either, but only one has a French speaking nation in the north.

Re:Timing? (1)

dryeo (100693) | about a year ago | (#43508263)

You must mean Saint Pierre and Miquelon though strictly speaking they're part of France so of course they speak French.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon [wikipedia.org]
Or perhaps rereading your comment you're thinking of French Guinea which is in the north of South America? Seems there are parts of France scattered all around the Americas as well as places like Haiti which also speak French.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana [wikipedia.org]

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GOATSE WARNING!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507631)

Do not click on that link. You have been warned. Taco, please IP ban this troll!

Re:GOATSE WARNING!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507763)

Why are you responding to your own post?

A+++++ Loss of rights! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507487)

Body scan was of the most high-standard quality! Great holding pen. Quality of the internment was superior. TSA is exceptional.

Why Can't We All Just Get Along? (1)

flyneye (84093) | about a year ago | (#43507537)

I'd like to comment first, by saying " We should re-purpose the units and the TSA to the Mexican border immediately" . At best they'll deter a few from crossing. At worst they'll make them submit to an intrusive search and check their junk out with the units and do a body search before permitting them to cross,due to anti-profiling regulations.

What are comments going to do? (4, Insightful)

White Flame (1074973) | about a year ago | (#43507539)

Are the TSA just going to say "We have listened to your comments, and are continuing to pursue security theater^W practices as they best "serve" our country", or is there some sort of accountability set up for what the comments are saying?

It's nice to see that even right after the Boston bombing, the comments appear to still be 100% against AIT scanners.

Re:What are comments going to do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507675)

Are the TSA just going to say "We have listened to your comments, and are continuing to pursue security theater^W practices as they best "serve" our country", or is there some sort of accountability set up for what the comments are saying?

Don't be silly. They won't even say that they listened to your comments.

Re:What are comments going to do? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43507813)

I was pondering pretty much the same. But I guess in Soviet USA it's a step ahead when the government starts to actually listen to its people. Nobody said anything about acting upon what is heard, though.

The lack of support for those scanners is, I hope, no surprise. If they actually DID anything to increase security, you might see some support for them after an attack, but since they're as useful for detecting something capable of blowing ship up as Lisa's rock is for defending against tigers, even a bomb that had blown away 90% of Boston including the MIT wouldn't change that.

More Security Theatre (5, Insightful)

litehacksaur111 (2895607) | about a year ago | (#43507543)

I am afraid that Michael Chertoff only made hundreds of millions with the old backscatter machines and needed even more government money, so his company decided to come out with some new units which the TSA will spend over a billion dollars to acquire. The military industrial complex will bankrupt us as Eisenhower predicted.

Re:More Security Theatre (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43507817)

Can't we dig up Ike and put him in charge again? Even as a corpse he's more competent than any other choice we have right now.

I found their formmail code (0)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about a year ago | (#43507577)

/var/www/cgi-bin/formmail.cgi > /dev/null

Re:I found their formmail code (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507611)

You missed the part where they added your details to their 'Watch' list first...

like it or not... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507587)

Like it or not, MMW systems are the new metal detector; albeit with some issues that need to be addressed technologically speaking. They're literally light years ahead of your conventional metal detector with AFAIK far less false positives and sensitivity issues (I can walk through a metal detector at the airport with a lighter in my pocket, but not the PMMW systems-- which understandably is a bad example of what I'm trying to express).

That all said, I find it mildly absurd that any security we don't like we just classify as security theater.. How on earth can we on one hand argue that Bush et al had ample warning and did nothing and then on the other bitch when they do something? The back-scatter and active MMW systems and their ilk concern me mostly for health reasons, but the passive systems? that's quicker and AFAIK more efficient than the conventional systems with a much better detection rate, they're less of a hassle overall and eh, 'quit your bitching'.

That said, there is going to be road bumps, I can think of a few off-hand, but such is life with all new technologies.

Re:like it or not... (4, Insightful)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#43507685)

"That all said, I find it mildly absurd that any security we don't like we just classify as security theater.. How on earth can we on one hand argue that Bush et al had ample warning and did nothing and then on the other bitch when they do something? "

Here's the thing. They had all the information they needed to stop it - the problem was not too little information, it was too much. They had far more information than they had the capacity to analyze.

So the response? Not to upgrade ability to analyze the information already collectable, no. Instead, let's collect a few thousand times MORE information. Let's throw a dragnet over anyone and everyone and store every email on the net forever, in case we need to search back through it later.

This is security theatre. We all get used to being less free, to being herded around more like cattle, on the assurance it will make us more safe. It will not. The same agencies that HAD the information to stop the crime, but not the analytical facilities to recognise the fact in time, now have EVEN MORE info to sift through. The vast majority of it completely irrelevant to stopping terrorists - but a wonderful treasure trove for anyone looking for something to use against their political enemies.

In the meantime the terrorists are even less likely to be detected, since we are throwing roughly the same analytic capabilities at a ridiculously expanded data set.

Re:like it or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507761)

This is security theatre. We all get used to being less free, to being herded around more like cattle, on the assurance it will make us more safe. It will not.

On the upside, if you are over 75, you can now keep your shoes (and light jacket!) on as you go through security. TSA is working hard to make our life better

I also like the little video that blithely states that the machines are safe, including for children and pregnant women. I am pretty sure no one has done a health study, so where do they get these factoids?

Re:like it or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507865)

I also like the little video that blithely states that the machines are safe, including for children and pregnant women. I am pretty sure no one has done a health study, so where do they get these factoids?

Which systems exactly? the P in PMMW means PASSIVE, as in there's no beams of anything bouncing off of you but rather something reading the waves emanating from you. If that's somehow dangerous to you, than just existing is dangerous.

The over 75/under 12 thing is a bad move IMHO

Re:like it or not... (1)

Skreems (598317) | about a year ago | (#43508013)

You'll notice that approximately zero of the units being pushed by the TSA are of the passive variety. They're either X-ray based (for the past 5 years or so) or Active Millimeter Wave (apparently the new money waster).

Re:like it or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507887)

So, upgraded equipment is security theater because why exactly? They don't have enough analysts? ...? really? What increased data over a metal detector do you think is being generated exactly?

I mean, one could argue that it reduces the data set considering it tells the people at the scanner where the item in question is instead of a generic beep stating metal has been detected, this isn't even getting into things like non-metallic weaponry.

Slashdot...

Re:like it or not... (3, Insightful)

Skreems (598317) | about a year ago | (#43508025)

This particular upgraded equipment is security theater because numerous experiments have shown that it's easy to smuggle very nasty things past it without detection, and with fairly little effort. Knives, molded plastic explosives (simulated, if I recall correctly), handguns, etc. have all been successfully concealed from this technology. There are plenty of articles on-line detailing how it was done.

The purpose of these machines is to prevent those with malicious intent from getting dangerous materials onto a plane which they could use to hijack it and repeat the 9/11 approach. But since these machines have been shown to be remarkably bad at actually achieving this goal, going forward with the ludicrously expensive purchase and the continued privacy-invading operation of said machines is clearly not ACTUALLY making air travel more secure. However, it looks shiny, and to the average person who doesn't work with security and isn't used to thinking in "black hat" mode it can seem effective. Which is basically the definition of security theater.

air travel gets the cattle treatment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508133)

We all get used to being less free, to being herded around more like cattle, on the assurance it will make us more safe.

If you fly economy on commercial airlines, you are already cattle. Flying is really energy inefficient, and airplanes are quite fragile. Cattle treatment is needed to constrain prices, and keep fuel consumption down. I'm worried about Homeland Security trying to branch out and secure bus, train travel and football games.

4th amendment (3, Insightful)

White Flame (1074973) | about a year ago | (#43507903)

The law disallows certain behaviors, regardless of technology empowering them. These scanners are unreasonable search of my person and effects. Traveling is not suspicious behavior.

seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507595)

This is like a thief polling you on whether you would prefer they rummage through your trunk or your glove compartment.

Let's start a petition to end the TSA altogether (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507645)

Millimeter wave scanners are dangerous to medical equipment, and have too many shortcomings to be useful. It's been proven that they can be fooled by placing items along the sides of your body, and they nearly killed a young diabetic girl when it caused her insulin pump to malfunction after the retard in the TSA costume told her it was safe, without any knowledge of how the scanner worked, or what it would do to the expensive, life necessary pump.
That TSA retard should have faced attempted murder charges because it nearly killed her, also should have had to pay for the replacement unit out of their own paycheck, even if it would take 14 years to pay for it, as they were responsible for it's destruction due to their own ineptitude.

Re:Let's start a petition to end the TSA altogethe (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43507825)

Erh... careful, the blame might well be not on the retard but on the retard training him. If he was told that this scanner is safe for all medical equipment, he cannot but act on this information.

Re:Let's start a petition to end the TSA altogethe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508337)

The blame lies on the person making the statement. I am sick and tired of people doing everything in their power to deflect taking responsibility for their own actions. Unless the training specifically covered insulin pumps of that type, the retard should have said "I didn't know" and allowed the girl to skip them. But no, retard wanted to play out their pompous power play and said yes it's safe instead. That right there is sufficient grounds for the blame to go no further than the retard in question. Case closed, retard arrested for attempted murder.

Prediction... (3, Informative)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43507657)

Wow, I jokingly made comments a long while back that it wouldn't surprise me if the TSA opened up these comments the moment a bomb went off somewhere, considering how long they've just been sitting on it.

But now that it's happened, I am surprised. If there really is a connection to the timing, that's downright shameful. However that's not entirely anything new for the TSA.

Re:Prediction... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508061)

So you are the guy who gave them the idea !

Jail Bait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507677)

Within TSA their system works flawlessly, perfectly and precisely. The propose is to instill fear into each and every USA citizen who dares to board an airliner.

Fear, is the currency of Fuhrer Obama.

Fear, is the life blood of the Federal Forces against the scum, the USA citizen.

Answering such a survey is to provide arrest fodder to the Federal Gestapo to the delight of Derr Fuhrer.

Sig Hail

Re:Jail Bait (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43507831)

Bah, fail. If you wanted to be accurate, you'd have to hold the Führer sacrosanct and blame everything just on his overbearing subordinates. That's what it was like in Germany. A common saying was "Oh if the Führer only knew...".

What TSA needs to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507725)

They need to post sample scans (what TSA airport personnel will be viewing), where a TSA male and female top official are used as models.

Done correctly, that could be a powerful sales tool. But if they're not willing to do it, that would go the other way.

Israel airport security (5, Insightful)

cervo (626632) | about a year ago | (#43507755)

In any case I found this fascinating article http://www.internationalpolicydigest.org/2012/06/19/what-israeli-airport-security-teaches-the-world/ [internatio...digest.org] that Israel does not have x-ray machines, or taking off your shoes to go in the airport. They have behavioral based interviews. And in the end everyone wants to blow up Israel, and yet I cannot remember hearing of planes crashing into buildings, or even being hijacked. It's really quite amazing. I would cut the security theatre and go do what Israel is doing.... Which seems to be behavioral based interviews and paying attention to how people act.

Also they do a ton of screening on cars. In some US airports, the parking lot is right near the terminal. Drive in a car full of explosive material and you could do a lot of damage. Or even pull right up to the terminal unchecked for dropping bags. In some terminals you could even crash the car right through the glass doors and then go do something..... That's not security.

Re:Israel airport security (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year ago | (#43507843)

You are aware that for such interviews you need highly skilled, highly trained people. How the heck does this double as the job creation scheme for the unemployable the TSA is now?

Re: Israel airport security (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508007)

Also mass telephone surveillance and bugging helps and paying sympathizers. To pre- empt anything and before you know it that persons will be vaporised by an attack from an apache helicopter before gets near its target.

Re:Israel airport security (2)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43507861)

The "behavioral based interviews" are thinly veiled racial profiling. Illegal in America, so we can't use that method.

Re:Israel airport security (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508181)

The "behavioral based interviews" are thinly veiled racial profiling. Illegal in America, so we can't use that method.

You're right. No American law enforcement agency routinely gets away with thinly-veiled racial profiling.

(Captcha: "bombings". Is somebody taking the piss?)

Official TSA Statement (JOKE) (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507765)

''We ignored you all along but now that we have been forced to remove those scanners anyway we will consult you for your retrospective opinions. Signed, TSA.''

I was going to comment but (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507819)

All I could seem to muster is an endless series of FUCK YOUs until the character limit ran out.

Try conducting a physical search for a weapon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507821)

If you have ever actually tried doing a body search without taking off someones clothes, you will realize how hard it is. There are just way to many folds and pockets in clothes that could contain a weapon. Combine this with a que of hundreds of people waiting in line to board a plane, you will realize that the job the TSA does for safety is largely imaginary. Yet when the TSA actually tries to do a good job and bring technology in to help search for weapons you are all up in arms about it. I for one welcom backscatter / mm wave radar to check for contraband. When another bomb goes off, you will all be asking why didn't the TSA do something about it.

Seriously listening to you guys talk about the TSA is like watching the episode of the simpsons where they institute the anti-bear patroll. Another thing you guys keep complaining about is the TSA allowing short knives, but no liquides on a plane. A 2" knife will not bring down a plane. A binary explosive will. You guys are really unreal.

I used to be a nice person, but then I got turned onto slashdot. Now I wan't to kill you all.

Re:Try conducting a physical search for a weapon (1)

White Flame (1074973) | about a year ago | (#43507929)

You do realize that with your support of a security state to try to prevent bombings, you also give support to major investigation of these types of threats of mass murder:

I used to be a nice person, but then I got turned onto slashdot. Now I wan't to kill you all.

Re:Try conducting a physical search for a weapon (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | about a year ago | (#43508091)

It is pretty much 100% certain at this point that THz radiation can selectively activate genes ... it interacts with DNA. Whether there are carcinogenic effects is a bit contested, but the gene activation in and of itself is scary enough to wait a little fucking longer before we make all the airline passengers (except VIPs I'm sure) guinea pigs.

They can look all they want. (1)

edibobb (113989) | about a year ago | (#43507873)

I couldn't care less if they see my nekkid body. I JUST WANT TO KEEP MY SHOES ON!!!!

Re:They can look all they want. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507979)

I feel safer knowing that my nutsack was patted down by a large man of color. God bless our troops and God bless America!

Due notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507913)

... this is a huge pork-barrel project ...

I was about claim "citation needed" when I found one.

"... the cost of government spirals, and the range and extent of the political sector increases.
As we are learning, this process can be quite expensive, not just in fighting the war on terror, ... "

Coats, RM, Karahan, G, Tollison RD 2006, 'Terrorism and pork-barrel spending', Public Choice, no. 128, pp. 275-287, viewed as '22286040.pdf'.

Must be replaced by better options. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43507917)

We know why these damn things sell so well. They're every teenager's dream come true: X-Ray Glasses!
The problem is they were build by morons, and have no adequate safety testing.

We must replace the scanners with better options, while considering the actual target market.
It's clear we need non-ionizing under the clothes imagining systems that replace people's bodies with those of a supermodel's.

Put out a call for engineers married for at least seven years, or with children. They have the required experience.

Are They Actually "Accepting" Comments? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43507933)

'Cause if they are, I'd like to tell the TSA and Chertoff to go fuck themselves with rusty tire irons, and to take their bullshit backscatter genital-groping security theater revolving-door corruption nonsense with them. Disband the TSA, and charge every politician and government employee that sets up deals with the private sector that personally enriches themselves with crimes.

Meet you on the No Fly list! (5, Insightful)

bradorsomething (527297) | about a year ago | (#43507971)

My Comment to Them:

"I travel about twice a month and have been a regular traveler most of my life, and because of this, the deployment of this technology has had a major impact on my life.

This technology is not wanted by air travelers, and was put in place with less testing than the shampoo I am no longer allowed to carry through security. Experts have found that shadowing can cause items to slip through this screening, and these devices cannot detect anything inside the body. They have also created long, bunched up lines of people at airports, outside of the "secure" cordon, which would allow a terrorist to kill many more people than would be on a single airplane... and these deaths could ironically be attributed directly to the delays caused by these devices, which regularly slow the lines and require pat-downs when they don't read properly (my experience when waiting).

Security at airports has become a reactive reflex which always fights the last threat. I am confident I am not the only tax payer who feels their money was completely wasted on these devices, whose only value, I feel, was to make some contractor rich, and get some person re-elected by convincing the under-informed that they were "safe."

Re:Meet you on the No Fly list! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508275)

1jx-84w8-sxtp
in favor of it.

It depends on weather they work (1)

iamacat (583406) | about a year ago | (#43507995)

Have these machines ever stopped an actual terrorist? What were the results when undercover security testers tried to smuggle simulated explosives? I am not sacrificing my liberty for security, but I can sacrifice my modesty for security, if that security is any good.

Website doesn't work on lynx! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508053)

All I get is:

Your web browser must have JavaScript enabled in order for Regulations.gov to display correctly.

Ask Slashdot ... what to think (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43508193)

Now is your chance to tell the TSA that this is a huge porkbarrel project and nothing more than Security Theater.

It's your chance to tell the TSA that. It's my chance to tell the TSA my opinion.

Filibuster it (4, Insightful)

spectrokid (660550) | about a year ago | (#43508213)

Everybody here should enter the same comment: "I would like an independent body to calculate the cost vs. saved lives and compare it to other possible investments like traffic safety, cancer research, or promoting healthier lifestyles to school children."
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