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Omnidirectional Treadmill: The Ultimate FPS Input Device?

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the pricey-but-cool dept.

Input Devices 292

MojoKid writes "The concept of gaming accessories may have just been taken to a whole new level. A company called Virtuix is developing the Omni, which is essentially a multidirectional treadmill that its creators call 'a natural motion interface for virtual reality applications.' The company posted a video showing someone playing Team Fortress 2 and using the Omni along with the Oculus Rift virtual reality headset. You can see in the video how much running and movement this fellow performs. With something like the Omni in your living room, you'd likely get into pretty good shape in no time. Instead of Doritos and Mountain Dew, folks might have to start slamming back Power Bars and Gatorade for all night gaming sessions."

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Fix Slashcode (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513459)

Fine, but when are you going to fix Slashcode to stop the APK troll?

Re:Fix Slashcode (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513573)

Fine, but when are you going to fix Slashcode to stop the APK troll?

You find it sooo difficult to click on the title of an APK post (recognizable in under a second) and hide the whole subthread? You're not going to find anything interesting in the replies, and no, Virginia, you're not losing your precious time--you're on Slashdot after all! There were worse and more persistent trolls than APK in the history of this site, and I don't think that Slashcode has ever been tweaked to deal with them.

Re:Fix Slashcode (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513761)

How hard can it be to fix Slashcode to make "Read the rest of this comment..." work properly?

That's what needs to be done, not letting trolls have free reign.

Re:Fix Slashcode (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513773)

Hey troll, clicking the title brings up a page with only the post and subthreads.

Re:Fix Slashcode (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513695)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [] on leftist commie propaganda site as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [] slut [] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [] is secret homo [] slang for the tip of a penis [] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [] ' originally referred to a homosexual [] practice. Slashdot [] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, [] .

The editors of Slashdot [] also have homosexual [] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [] runs on Apache!

The Apache [] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [] is that it contains hidden homosexual [] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Dream on. (5, Insightful)

slackware 3.6 (2524328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513463)

The whole point of gaming is to sit on your ass and avoid the elements drink caffeine till you shake and eat a dehydrated cow. If I wanted exercise and shooting I'd go play paintball.

Re:Dream on. (5, Insightful)

jatoo (2393402) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513505)

I would be far more inclined to have a game on this than to organise paint ball.

Paint ball involves pre-planning, showering, dressing, leaving the house and worst of all, IRL friends.

This I can pick up any time.

Plus, looks like a lot more fun than going to the gym.

Re:Dream on. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513609)

Pretty sure this would have to involve showering as well. Also, I, at least, prefer IRL friends to screaming 12 year olds.

Re:Dream on. (5, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513745)

If the guy hates showering, dressing and leaving the house, chances are he likes screaming 12 year olds.

Re:Dream on. (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513823)

Well, it does not necessarily involve showering. But please inform me beforehand if you want to show off yours to me. :)

Re:Dream on. (4, Insightful)

Apothem (1921856) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513627)

You forgot to mention the part where you have to deal with getting shot and/or getting hurt while running for cover in the middle of a match. If I couldn't play paintball, this would make for a decent second possibly.

Re:Dream on. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513965)

You forgot to mention the part where you have to deal with getting shot and/or getting hurt while running for cover in the middle of a match.

If I couldn't play paintball, this would make for a decent second possibly.

Getting shot and the possibility of getting hurt are on the plus side. That's what makes things not-boring.

Re:Dream on. (3, Interesting)

slim (1652) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514137)

Getting shot and the possibility of getting hurt are on the plus side. That's what makes things not-boring.

This is one of the things I find puzzling about people who enjoy sport and exercise. The active pursuit of pain and discomfort. Paintball: you're likely to get a bruising, painful projectile whack you. Many team sports: an obligation to spend hours in the cold and wet. Cyclists actively prefer hilly routes. And so on.

Don't get me wrong, I exercise because it's not pleasant finding that going upstairs or running for a bus almost kills you. But enjoying the discomfort? I'll never get it.

Re:Dream on. (2)

kiddygrinder (605598) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514147)

with paintball it's the raising of the stakes people enjoy, much like playing poker with (non casino) chips vs real money.

Re:Dream on. (4, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513889)

I saw something similar on a future tech show and the problem you are gonna run into is the "puke factor".

Basically there is an uncanny valley for environments just as there is for bots and when you get beyond a certain point your brain senses that something is "off" about a place and you'll start feeling pukey. The guy trying it on the future show was big into both 3D and FPSes but when they put him in this game, complete with plastic gun that let him aim and fire in game? Within 30 minutes he had to get off because he was getting sick at his stomach, there was enough little things wrong with the computer environment that even though it looked like the latest Call Of Duty realistic shooter it still gave him something akin to vertigo.

So I have a feeling that unless you dumb down the graphics enough that your brain goes "Bah it is just a game" you are gonna have a lot of folks that did like the reviewer on that show and have to hang onto the walls until the queasy sick feeling goes away. The brain knows its fake when you are just sitting on your ass playing a game, when you integrate movement that is when you start throwing the brain a curveball.

Re:Dream on. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513999)

It has nothing to do with the uncanny valley. The uncanny value is a non-proven theory about how we perceive humanoids.
What we are talking about here is regular motion sickness. We use a lot of senses to keep track of ourself with regards to the environment. When does thing no longer add up there is a risk of "feeling pukey".
Dumbing down the graphics is not going to help at all, your eyes will still tell you that you move forward when your sense of balance says that you are not. (And jumping will give conflicting inputs. Focal depth will not correlate with distance and so on.)
Some people even get this kind of sickness from 3D-movies.
Dizziness the first couple of times you use it is expected but it should wear off after a couple of times when your brain gets used to it. Otherwise basic motion sickness pills might help.

Re:Dream on. (3, Interesting)

Kilo Kilo (2837521) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514189)

Paintball also involves paying more for one day's entertainment than the average cost of a video game, which can be played over and over.

We all have our hobbies, but once my friends and I all realized how much money we were spending, it wasn't so fun anymore. Also, this activity lets assholes actually shoot at you. There was nothing worse than going to a big game (one of the 24hr scenario ones) and realizing you're surrounded by assholes and your own team has no interests in completing the objectives, they just want to go throw paint around then get back to drinking in the parking lot.

Re:Dream on. (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513513)

Paintball is expensive. Personally, if I want exercise, I go for a bike ride. But if I wanted exercise *AND* shooting (and also the feeling of killing people rather than spraying brightly-colored dyes on their clothes), I'd absolutely LOVE one of these treadmills.

Re:Dream on. (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513789)

Especially if it came with an octagon to go around it that has airbags on each side at 3 levels so wherever you get shot from that's where you're gettin' an airbag from motherfucker!

Re:Dream on. (1)

twisteddk (201366) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514119)

Paintball is expensive..

and i'm sure this kind of tech is just something that will be given away ;)

Re:Dream on. (2)

Mobius Evalon (1625187) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513699)

I'm with you on this. There is very little overlap for what is called the "hardcore" market and what is called the "casual" market . The former isn't going to transform into the latter and play Black Ops 2 with an omnidirectional treadmill, and not to mention this will significantly reduce the amount of time per person being invested into these games because you're simply going to be worn the hell out after a match or two. This is not what the developers want.

From a practical angle, I don't want to run around like this before or after a shift at work, I want to veg out on the sofa in my boxer shorts and move, at most, my arm from the elbow down to reach into the bag of Doritos leaning against my thigh. I also didn't notice any strafing, jumping, or crouching going on, so yet again these gimmicky input devices prove that the keyboard+mouse/controller is still the superior input mechanism. You can see the red team running circles around this guy the entire time.

Re:Dream on. (2)

kiddygrinder (605598) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514171)

it's not about a superior input mechanism, it's about a more realistic one. playing on one of these things will cripple you compared to a mouse + keyboard or even a controller, but that's not the point. i enjoy a good keyboard/mouse shooter but i'd love to give this + oculus a go at some point, hopefully they put them in some kind of arcade type setting so i don't have to dedicate 2 metres of my game room to expensive future landfill.

Re:Dream on. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514231)

Why not just do both?

Where is my augmented reality laser tag games??
That would be glorious.

Something like Shootmania but in real life with AR glasses adding in the respective UI and other effects, keep the landscape the same, bam, done, best game ever.
It would make things like active faux shooting games more accessible since paintball needs a fairly heavy and pricey gun and suit to boot.
AR game would require a light gun, cheap plastic with some fancy design, a battery pack and a front, back, arm, head and leg detectors with IR (if you want to go full out and not gimped "body only shots"), then a basic radio LAN system on whatever frequency is available for such things.
The most expensive part would be the computer to pull the augmented reality over your eyes, but even those aren't that expensive since doing AR is considerably easier these days with new algorithms for detecting anchor points to hook the 2 worlds together.
Some are even so good they just go full-on edge detection, but that would be too advanced for something as simple as this that requires only basic positioning.
Combine it with passive radiation detectors, no need for GPS, and far more precise too, not you don't even need AR algorithms for that, just a few sensors.

jordan pas cher (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513465)

This is a good device, jordan pas cher []
  it is suitable for young and practical

Too cumbersome (1)

Zelaron (1358987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513467)

While it's not as bad as VirtuaSphere [] , I think I'll wait a little longer for a brain-computer interface.

Re:Too cumbersome (1)

Zelaron (1358987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513473)

VirtuSphere*. Even the name of the product wasn't memorable enough, apparently...

FYI (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513471)

Mountain Dew and Doritos are not substantially different, health-wise, from Gatorade and PowerBars.

Re:FYI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513563)


Re:FYI (1)

Big Kate (2889975) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513643)

it depends what sort of diet advice you follow if you follow the ancel keys diet, based on fabricated and highly selective data that the world has followed since the seventies then the comment would see WTF if however you follow a paleo diet or prefer a diet based on actual scientific research that apples to all animals not just humans see [] then the comment is entirely fair

Re:FYI (1)

Big Kate (2889975) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513651)

saying fabricated is unfair I don't know if ancel keys fabricated data, and for that i apologise, however I belive he was highly selective in his choice of data sources

Re:FYI (3, Informative)

ldobehardcore (1738858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513691)

Just the rough Numbers:

  • Mountain Dew (pepsico) has, per 20oz: 290 kcal, 100mg sodium, 77g sugar, and negligible vitamins and minerals
  • Gatorade Orange (also pepsico) has, per 20oz: 130 kcal, 270mg sodium (electrolytes it's what plants crave!), 34g sugar, 75mg potassium (biologically and chemically very similar to sodium), and negligible vitamins and minerals.
  • Doritos (Frito/Lay) has, per 1 oz: 140 kcal (70 from fat), 8g fat (1g saturated fat), 210mg sodium, 16g carbs (1g from fiber, 0g from sugar), 2g protein, and trace Vitamin A, B, and Thiamin
  • PowerBar Performance Energy Chocolate (Nestle) has, per bar: 240 kcal (30 from fat), 3g fat (1g saturated fat), 200mg sodium, 45g carbs (3g from fiber, 25g from sugar), 8g protein, 70%dv Vitamin C, 25%dv Calcium Iron and B6, 15%dv Thiamin, 10%dv Riboflavin.

Gatorade and Mountain Dew only differ in sugar concentration. The difference in salt is relatively unimportant. There's a significant difference between powerbars and Doritos. #1 Doritos are much cheaper, #2 powerbars have nutritive value, while Doritoes are edible product and not really food.

If you ate as much by weight in power bars as people typically do in doritoes, you will be both overfed, and have a pretty bad time on the toilet.

Re:FYI (5, Insightful)

B1oodAnge1 (1485419) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513755)

The difference in salt is relatively unimportant.

The difference in salt is of primary importance since the purpose of Gatorade is to provide those salts that are lost during the natural process of perspiration.
You're also ignoring the caffeine present in the Mountain Dew and not in the Gatorade.

Gatorade is far from the healthiest choice of beverages to be swilling down in large amounts, however it is substantially different nutritionally than Mountain Dew, and your comparison is lacking in my opinion.

Re:FYI (1)

ldobehardcore (1738858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513777)

I think the main problem is that I'm not a dieticianI always stick ingredients in three categories. For instance 1. Thermodynamic gradient powered metabolism. 2 membranes (separation from the environment of some kind). And 3 inheritance (dna and genetics). These are all features necessary to qualify as living.

Re:FYI (2)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513983)

The difference in salt is of primary importance since the purpose of Gatorade is to provide those salts that are lost during the natural process of perspiration.

They may market it that way, but it's not really true. Your body has more than enough salt stored in it to maintain levels over any reasonable period of physical exertion (100 mile races not withstanding) so long as you don't get dehydrated (unless you're on some kind of unusual ultra-low sodium diet when the Gatorade is a major portion of your total salt intake for a long period of time).

Re:FYI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514011)

Gatorade is far from the healthiest choice of beverages to be swilling down in large amounts

It's also snake-oil. Regular water is what plants crave.

Vomiting children (2)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513813)

The difference in salt is relatively unimportant.

Unless you really are dehydrated, which is why Gatorade marketing is aimed at "re-hydrating" people who don't know when it's time to sit down and drink some tap water. Doctors were using similar "salt" drinks (in powdered form) to prevent/treat dehydration long before someone put it in a fancy bottle.

For those who may not know. The first sign of dehydration is muscle aches (usually the legs), people who are running around expect muscle aches in the legs so may miss the warning signs. Sick kids are at a much higher risk of serious dehydration from prolonged bouts of vomiting, if your vomiting child complains about sore legs/arms, give them a "sports drink" with high potassium (or a banana), and take them to a real doctor immediately.

Disclaimer: IANA real doctor, not even an internet doctor, just a run of the mill grandad who's dealt with his fair share of vomiting children.

Re:Vomiting children (1)

slim (1652) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514161)

I'm not a doctor either, but I'm given to understand that a quarter teaspoon of table salt stirred into a glass of normal orange squash is equivalent to branded isotonic drinks and rehydration sachets.

Re:FYI (5, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513827)

As long as they contain the four major food groups (fat, sugar, salt, caffeine) I'm happy.

Re:FYI (2)

Kilo Kilo (2837521) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514217)

You should be drinking Brawndo if you really care about your performance. It's got electrolytes.

jordan pas cher (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513479)

This is a good device, jordan pas cher [] it is suitable for young and practical

This sounds good... (0, Offtopic)

xQuarkDS9x (646166) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513481)

In a way this does sound good until you go to play Counter-Strike on it and you end up falling down on the treadmill a few dozen times as some little 8 year old kid with a aimhack is owning you over and over before you can even run on the treadmill to get out of the way, crouch/duck and fire back.

Re:This sounds good... (2)

gigaherz (2653757) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513589)

"falling down on the treadmill" -- you obviously didn't even bother to click the link to the article and watch the pictures.

Clever... (5, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513495)

You almost had me, but this looks like it could be dangerously close to exercise. Pass.

Re:Clever... (2)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513815)

You almost had me, but this looks like it could be dangerously close to exercise. Pass.

This is why I prefer RTS over FPS: no chance for someone to actually come with a Zerg Brood or Dwarf forges simulators.

Re:Clever... (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514105)

Zerg Brood? Easy to simulate, get in on a winter sale at one of the outlet stores, it's a pretty apt emulation.

Re:Clever... (1)

gijoel (628142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514213)

Don't worry. I'm sure they can fit one of those mobility scooters in it.

Star Trek Holodeck - one more item toward it (3, Informative)

erpbridge (64037) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513503)

This, if any of you remember, is one of the key items of the Star Trek holodeck. The Technical manual showed users on an omnidirectional treadmill (probably using forcefields rather than an actual treadmill), which the holodeck routed to wherever there was space if there were more than one user and they were in different locations of the program.

Missing elements (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513507)

I didn't see a SINGLE rocket jump. Or strafe. Or backpedal.

I appreciate the wowie-zowie futuristic technology, but games are going to have to be designed for it specifically.

Agreed, lean and strafe are missing (3, Insightful)

twisteddk (201366) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514221)

As are kneeling, crawling, zooming, jumping. backpedaling, activating stuff (opening doors etc.) and other functions. I would also venture a guess that rotation gets done a lot quicker on the PC than on a treadmill as I didn't notice the kid moving much more than 40-60 degrees in any direction in a hurry. I'm guessing because the system is slow or inaccurate in response to this type of movement.
And I'm sure I can "easily" win using these techniques, when fighting someone who hasn't got those options.

While it may just be a matter of integrating these functions into the controller (possibly in the gun), these are lacking, and often used functions. I also see some limitations in that it would probably be difficult to integrate this into tank/airplane/helo movement, for vehicles, and chutes, ropes, ladders and ziplines in other games. But for a customized game this would be nice. Unfortunately I have seen too many controllers that only support a few games die because they lack the option to be used in other games. Light guns, VR goggles, the 360 orb, the gaming glove and a few others spring to mind (Yes, I have spent far too much cash on gaming, I know)

I'd love to back the development though, and will definitely sign up for the kickstarter when it goes public. I'd also love to buy one of these eventually.... But I doubt my GF would let me keep it....

1994 Disclosure (1)

Antony T Curtis (89990) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513509)

Isn't this somewhat reminiscent of part of the VR hardware shown in the 1994 film?

Re:1994 Disclosure (2)

slim (1652) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514187)

There were units very much like this in arcades in the 90s.

But the headsets were big and heady. The graphics were blocky and laggy. So the craze died back for a while, until the technology caught up.

Oculus Rift seems to have the graphics more or less cracked. This input device is at least a step in the right direction.

In the 90s we'd pay £5 for a few minutes playing something like this. I'd pay £20 today for half an hour playing TF2 in this thing.

Twitch Shooters (2)

masterofthumbs (2881445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513515)

Very cool but I would imagine this is much easier to use in games like Battlefield, ARMA, and Day Z where you aren't going to be doing too much close quarters fighting (TF2, Counter Strike, etc.). I can move my mouse faster than I can turn my head. Not to mention, the large maps on those games will definitely give you a nice workout.

What about stairs and ramps? (4, Interesting)

MaxToTheMax (1389399) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513523)

Whenever I try to walk on a step that isn't there, or if I misjudge the slope of the ground, I stumble. So should the simulation become to engrossing and you get distracted, you'll end up on your face the first time you try to navigate some uneven virtual terrain and the floor is still level.

Re:What about stairs and ramps? (1)

jeti (105266) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513537)

One step after the other.

Ready Player One (2)

mtb_ogre (698802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513539)

If you've read the book.... you'd know what I mean.

they may have cracked it. (2)

pbjones (315127) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513547)

anchored inplace while climbing a slippery slope, sounds like most gamers. I hope it works, but the price will doom it to niche markets.

Now how to fool you inner accelerometer? (4, Insightful)

Vintermann (400722) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513551)

Very cool, but your inner ear is going to break the illusion - just as your retinal muscles are going to remind you that it isn't quite depth you're seeing with that stereoscopic headset.

Progress of technology - new ways of getting motion sickness!

Re:Now how to fool you inner accelerometer? (3, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514211)

Very cool, but your inner ear is going to break the illusion - just as your retinal muscles are going to remind you that it isn't quite depth you're seeing with that stereoscopic headset.

Progress of technology - new ways of getting motion sickness!

I have it on good authority that the humans won't get motion sickness if they're exposed only to the simulated environment starting at birth...

/me scrolls down

Slashdot is Dying (0, Offtopic)

utkonos (2104836) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513567)

Day after day the number of comments on stories on slashdot number around 200-300 for popular stories and the rest barely break 100. I think we're seeing the end of days for slashdot. Nothing on the internet dies quickly, so the site will slowly continue to decay over the next few years until even the people who maintain the site stop bothering to even do that.

Re:Slashdot is Dying (2)

muphin (842524) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513587)

There was a report done on Science, that were have discovered so much that its hard to discover new things, same with IT and stuff... i think its reached entropy where there just isnt that much to report on.
if you want more to report on, stop complaining and do something about it. its easy to complain, harder to do!

Re:Slashdot is Dying (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513597)

Has netcraft confirmed it?

Re:Slashdot is Dying (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514215)

It's not the quantity that bothers me. It's the quality. Everyone's talking programmer cliches (unfit, no real life friends) and no one's asking how the 2 dimensional treadmill works.

So, anyone knows how it works?

No diving tumble rolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513595)

I also didn't see the person in the video do any strafing whatsoever. It might just have been a shit player.

Re:No diving tumble rolls (1)

ComaVN (325750) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513683)

It might just have been a shit player.

I'm pretty sure he is. Note how he stands still to aim...

Re:No diving tumble rolls (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513733)

It might just have been a shit player.

I'm pretty sure he is. Note how he stands still to aim...

Come on, think about it. Does he not strafe because he's shit? Or is it because the mill has no way of knowing his orientation? Think about what you're saying before you post about how good you are compared to someone using two prototype controllers, one of which puts him at a competitive disadvantage, n00b5.

Some prior arts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513607)

Reminds me of this at Gadget Show.

The shape of Omni reminds me of the W Industries 1000CS consoles though.

Re:Some prior arts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514163)

First thing I thought of as well. And yeah, it looks a lot of fun!

Not really a treadmill (5, Informative)

Solandri (704621) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513623)

Just a slippery surface while wearing slippery shoes. The idea has been around since at least the 1990s [] .

Real omnidirectional treadmills [] exist, first started as a DoD project. You can walk naturally on them, as demonstrated here [] and here [] .

It's still debatable which method is superior or more practical.

Re:Not really a treadmill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513671)

The main benefit over a powered ODT is the cost: projected costs for the Omni are in the hundreds of $ range. Powered ODTs start in the hundreds of thousands for a small model and go up depending on the size.

Re:Not really a treadmill (2)

johnny cashed (590023) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513719)

Nice links. They need an omnidirectional treadmill on a Stewart platform, then you can simulate grades. maybe accommodate jumping and rolling.

Re:Not really a treadmill (2)

ikaruga (2725453) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513785)

One of the labs [] in the university I graduated from also specialized in omnitreadmills. I heard they even had model capable of 3D(upstairs/uphill and downstairs/downhill) movements, which they showed on SIGGRAPH a few years ago.

Re:Not really a treadmill (1)

Pionar (620916) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514203)

I think the point of TFA is not that Virtuix invented something radical, it's that they're planning on commercializing something that previously only existed in DoD facilities and research labs. That is great. Whether it gains any traction (pun intended) is another story.

Aiming with your head (4, Informative)

RenHoek (101570) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513625)

The problem is that the guy is carrying a 'gun' but you're still aiming with your head (i.e. the Oculus).

This has been done better before: []

Power Bars and Gatorade are Crap (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513655)

FWIW Power Bars and Gatorade are only marginally better for you than Doritos and Mountain Dew. Both are loaded with over-processed crap. It's reasonable to say that the former are actually worse because no one is going to think eating doritos and dew is healthy.

Re:Power Bars and Gatorade are Crap (1)

ldobehardcore (1738858) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513711)

Powerbars actually do have some nutritive value, with reasonable vitamin content. You wouldn't be able to survive on them alone though. They're mostly fat and sugar, but also have good fiber. They're closer to food than Doritos by a longshot, but they're still not really food, just nutritive product.

Re:Power Bars and Gatorade are Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514111)

a liter of yoghurt + some muesli + honey mixed in one bowl, and another bowl with some high grade matcha tea. Makes wonders for one's accuracy rate in FPS =)

Re:Power Bars and Gatorade are Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514249)

Basically doritos plus vitamin pills.

duck and roll! (1)

fantomas (94850) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513675)

going to hurt when you feel that ducking or rolling is the way to get out of trouble in the game! :-)


Chewbacon (797801) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513677)

Someone had to say it.

Next generation parents (5, Funny)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513685)

"Timmy, stop slouching off and come play some video games! You need some exercise!"

why need an input device (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513689)

if devices like kinect can measure leg movment (maybe with more cameras), why need treadmill for input?
can someone pls. clarify?

Re:why need an input device (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513971)

Because you want to be able to play in a limited space; if you have a large space to walk around in, you don't need the treadmill.

Have to make sure to keep calm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513729)

Not sure how well that would hold up to a player gets goes out and does a full on sprint when they get excited or tries to dive, duck or many other actions people will try when getting into a major game, especially when immersed to that extent.

You can already see that partially when you see people leaning and dipping while playing a PS3 or Xbox game like they are on a roller coaster, can you imagine someone about my size (6 feet tall, 220 pounds, not fat either) getting caught up in a FPS and actually trying to do an Olympic full speed sprint on that thing, I don't think that would stand up too long to that.

If you notice, the guy in the video stayed really calm the entire time and was very controlled in his actions, almost looked like he was power walking at the local mall.

Already been done? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513737)

This is old.... Tech show with battlefield 3.

But wait, there's more! (1)

greentshirt (1308037) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513771)

The only thing missing from this news article is a hyperlink embedded with an affiliate code. That, and anything news worthy. Product releases are generally not news.

football (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43513809)

So the future of football and/or soccer is to have the team on those devices.........

Missing the point of what a controller is (5, Interesting)

RogueyWon (735973) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513837)

Perhaps one day we'll have Star Trek style holodecks. And that will be great. Until the point - roughly 10 minutes after the first trial - when people realise that if they're really bad at running around doing atheletic stuff in real life, they're also going to be really bad at it on a holodeck like that.

I think controllers which try to make games more immersive by having them mimic real life activities are (with a few exceptions I'll touch on later) missing the point.

That isn't to say that games shouldn't try to be immersive and that controllers don't have a role to play in immersion. However, given that in most games, the player is doing things he wouldn't be able to do in real life, simply trying to translate real-life controls into the game isn't going to work. In most genres, the best thing the controls can do is let the player forget that they are there at all. They need to be the most efficient means possible of translating the player's will into the behaviour of his on-screen avatar.

Every time a player dies (or otherwise fails, depending on genre) in game due to control issues, the immersion is broken. I can think of some really awful examples here, going back decades. Remember Ultima VIII, as it was at launch? Those jumps across the moving platforms, where a mis-step meant death? Remember how you could see precisely what you needed to do to get across, but how the atrocious point and click control inputs made each and every jump an exercise in trial, error and sheer luck? And remember how much it broke the immersion every time you failed - reminded you that you weren't the Avatar exploring a strange land, but a player wrestling with a cumbersome interface and control system? That one was bad enough that they eventually patched it (turning it from "atrocious" to "just about tolerable").

Or more recently, take the Super Mario Galaxy games. I enjoyed both of these immensely - until the point at which it became necessary to use the spin-jump to make certain jumps. See, "spin jump" was mapped to "waggle the Wii-mote". And "waggle" is not, on a Wii-mote, a precise input. There's actually a good bit of variation in just how much and how hard you need to waggle before the game will accept that, yes, you have waggled (and I can't believe I've just typed that sentence). So all of a sudden you have a precision platformer which is dependant upon a non-precision input. And even though it's only for one single input, each time you rack up an unnecessary death due to that input going wrong, the immersion is broken.

Or sometimes a game uses a "normal" input device, but because the game adapts itself to that device badly, it still ends up feeling broken. Resident Evil 6 is a case in point here. I've played this on the 360 and the PC and found the 360 version effectively unplayable, due to control issues. I don't normally object to playing shooters on a console controller (though I'd prefer mouse and keyboard), but the shooters in question need to make concessions to the fact that they're being played on a device less suited to precise aim. Actually, many console shooters these days do that well; snap-to aim, relatively generous hitboxes and slow-moving enemies may not always make for the most exciting game mechanics, but they do take a lot of the pain out of playing a shooter on a console controller. Resident Evil 6 makes no such concessions; in a game where only headshots do appreciable damage to enemies, aiming at these tiny, fast bobbing targets on a console controller is nigh impossible and the abiding impression I took away from my 360 version was that my in-game character actually had worse accuracy with a gun than I myself would in real life (which is saying something). After that, playing with mouse and keyboard on the PC was a complete revelation - while the game itself still has flaws, it was an order of magnitude better than the console version. By contrast, the recent Tomb Raider reboot makes such good concessions to aiming on a controller that I played it on PC using a 360 controller-for-Windows, as the platforming felt more natural that way.

To be immersive, a controller needs to be three things.

It needs to be ergonomic, so that the player can access all of its buttons and functions quickly without physical discomfort. Modern controllers have made a lot of progress here, though some issues still remain to be sorted (finding a convenient way of doing L3/R3 in particular is a problem that still needs to be solved; clicking down on the analogue sticks really doesn't work, as I think a lot of developers would acknowledge).

It needs to be precise. Or at least, it needs to be precise enough to keep up with the mechanics of the game it's being used for. See above points about Resident Evil 6 and Tomb Raider.

And it needs to be consistent. The player needs confidence that when he makes a particular input, it will translated into the expected action from his on-screen avatar. This was a big deal-breaker for me with Zelda: Skyward Sword. I got heartily sick of sitting there shouting "no, I did a vertical slash you stupid thing, don't try to tell me it was diagonal". By contrast, Dark Souls (a game with very, very similar block/dodge-and-counter combat mechanics) did that that feeling of consistency to the inputs, which made the game far more satisfying and immersive.

I look at input systems like the ones in TFA and I'm not particularly convinced they satisfy any of the three requirements above particularly well. I can't imagine that trying to play any existing fps on it - let alone a competitive online fps - would be anything other than pure frustration once the initial "oooh cool" factor wore off.

Is there any role for stuff like this? Yes, possibly. There are subsets of games out there where the whole point is the player's physical activity; exercise software.

Exercise is boring. Really, really boring. It's one of the reasons we have an obesity crisis; in an era where average calorie burn from work-related activity has fallen through the floor from where it was a few decades ago, most people just don't have the willpower and tolerance for boredom to do equivalent exercise outside of work hours. Sure, there are plenty of ways of trying to make exercise less boring; the obvious one is to turn it into "sports". But then, even there you run into a couple of problems; first, a lot of people (like me!) find sports even more boring than just staring at a wall while they exercise and second, a lot of sports don't actually involve very much calorie burn.

I think this is why exercise games have taken off so much in the last few years; they're another route to making exercise more interesting. Titles like Wii Fit and Your Shape: Fitness Evolved are pretty poor considered just as games, but for many people (like me!) they do just about enough to make sustained exercise tolerable. They're certainly the only thing I've ever made really substantial use of my Wii or my Kinnect for.

So something like the tech in TFA might have a role here; if we accept that the purpose is to make exercise more interesting by giving the player the chance to zap aliens while he jogs or whatever. The games that make the best use of this technology will never be the same as - and never, considered on an equal footing, be as good as - games which are designed to be played on traditional controllers. But there might be a niche to be exploited there.

Re:Missing the point of what a controller is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43514029)

Few are fit enough to run like you'd need to for FPS games. Walking, on the other hand, would be easier and more immersive. Adventure games or something like Skyrim could work well with this kind of controller (as long as you cut those boring, long dungeons).

Re:Missing the point of what a controller is (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514159)

Are you kidding? Walking across Skyrim? Have you actually played the game? The dungeons would be doable. Worldmap? Not so much as you have to explore a lot (means walking) to find much of anything. FPS would be more ideal as you can play it in short bursts.

Sensitivity settings? (1)

clickety6 (141178) | about a year and a half ago | (#43513859)

Is it like a mouse setting where I can set it so that a small mouse movement equates to a large on screen movement with high acceleration? That might be fun, playing Counterstrike with 7 league boots on.

Cool, I'm in.... (1)

Toast or Rice (2766955) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514083)

just as soon as this beauty can simulate a Quake-world "rocket jump" and leave my legs warm after a "lavadip"

Power Bars and Gatorade (2)

Racerdude (1006357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514109)

If they eat "Power Bars and Gatorade" while gaming on the treadmill they're still going to be fat... Try water and the occasional banana... or, you know. REAL food

Skyward Sword should've used the Balance Board (1)

WillAdams (45638) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514117)

as an option for this, esp. for the tightrope-walking sequences.

Perfect game would have:

  - Skyward Sword's / Red Steel 2's motion plus controls for sword and archery, fast-paced combat and camera controls, and balance board for movement
  - Xenoblade Chronicles' vast expanses and explorability and quests and story-telling and item management and quantiy of items and gems and crafting
  - The Last Story's on-line play and replayability / grinding / upgrade options and colour / dyes
  - Pandora's Towers' IR pointing, intricate motion controls and puzzle balance and depth and item crafting and romance (as an option)
  - Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga's (or the new Fire Emblem 3DS game's) total character generation and control and multi-generational story-line (as an option)

and downloadable content on an on-going basis.

That's as close as we're getting to a holodeck for the foreseeable future.

Wake me when input gets better (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514143)

Seriously, it's all nice and fine, but please inform me once such input actually gives you better control of your character than keyboard&mouse.

I'm pretty certain, though, that I'll be asleep for a long, long time, mostly because keyboard&mouse actually gives you better control than your body. And please don't tell me it's a matter of exercise. Unless the game is specifically written for this kind of input, k&m will triumph. Simply because the game was written for THAT kind of input.

FPS games do "dumb down" controls considerably to make them compatible with k&m (or if you really have to, console controller) input, or they'd be unplayable. It all starts with locking weapon aim and FOV. There is simply no really good way to decouple "where you shoot" and "where you look" without making it an input nightmare. Some games offer some way to "look around" without moving your aim, but in 9 out of 10 situations you wouldn't want that.

I predict fewer sales than Duke Nukem Forever (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514167)

Actually, a lot fewer sales. DNF actually sold because people were interested in it. People won't be interested in this as they don't want to wear themselves out in 7 hour sessions of Halo 12. This will likely go down as the least successful gaming controller of all time - and I'm saying that as someone who bought a power glove for the NES.

Program Complete (1)

cstacy (534252) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514179)

You may ener when ready.

Not only for games (1)

MLBs (2637825) | about a year and a half ago | (#43514209)

Games may be the first application that comes to mind.
But, combine this with a virtual presence robot, and companies will be able to save millions on travel to conferences and meetings.
There's a huge market for this, if you can get the user experience right.
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