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Is Anonymous Going Mainstream Following Website Funding?

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the official-anonymity dept.

The Almighty Buck 101

DavidGilbert99 writes "For a completely online movement, the lack of an official Anonymous website is certainly strange. The reason, according to Anonymous itself is down to the lack of a hierarchical structure. However, one Anonymous-linked group could be about to change all that, having succeeded in securing $55,000 in funding for a website. Is this the beginning of Anonymous going mainstream? From the article: 'The @YourAnonNews (YAN) Twitter account has over one million followers and has leveraged its popularity to successfully raise over $55,000 (£34,000) through a crowd-funding campaign on the Indiegogo website. The funding drive was established to allow those behind the YAN account to set up a website of its own which will allow it "to collect breaking reports and blog postings from the best independent reporters online."'"

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No... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516201)

A corrupt slashdot luser has pentrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.

Nearly 230++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March/April 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:


A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 230 or so times I noted above) -> []


B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here


(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March/April 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).


P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March/April now, & 230++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

P.S.=> here is CORRECT host file information just to piss off the insane lunatic troll:


21++ ADVANTAGES OF CUSTOM HOSTS FILES (how/what/when/where/why):

Over AdBlock & DNS Servers ALONE 4 Security, Speed, Reliability, & Anonymity (to an extent vs. DNSBL's + DNS request logs).

1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program). A truly "multi-platform" UNIVERSAL solution for added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBL's you feel are unjust hosts get you past/around).

2.) Adblock blocks ads? Well, not anymore & certainly not as well by default, apparently, lol - see below:

Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option [] )

AND, in only browsers & their subprogram families (ala email like Thunderbird for FireFox/Mozilla products (use same gecko & xulrunner engines)), but not all, or, all independent email clients, like Outlook, Outlook Express, OR Window "LIVE" mail (for example(s)) - there's many more like EUDORA & others I've used over time that AdBlock just DOES NOT COVER... period.

Disclaimer: Opera now also has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc..

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF (non-mozilla/gecko engine based) family based wares, So AdBlock doesn't protect email programs like Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows "LIVE" mail & others like them (EUDORA etc./et al), Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 5-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, OR make you reach them faster since you resolve host-domain names LOCALLY w/ hosts out of cached memory, hosts do ALL of those things (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> [] for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions ( via NSLOOKUP, PINGS (ping -a in Windows), &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

* NOW - Some folks MAY think that putting an IP address alone into your browser's address bar will be enough, so why bother with HOSTS, right? WRONG - Putting IP address in your browser won't always work IS WHY. Some IP adresses host several domains & need the site name to give you the right page you're after is why. So for some sites only the HOSTS file option will work!

6.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles (or ELECTRICITY) like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content, nor as much as a DNS server does while it runs. HOSTS file are merely a FILTER for the kernel mode/PnP TCP/IP subsystem, which runs FAR FASTER & MORE EFFICIENTLY than any ring 3/rpl3/usermode app can since hosts files run in MORE EFFICIENT & FASTER Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode operations acting merely as a filter for the IP stack (via the "Plug-N-Play" designed IP stack in Windows) vs. SLOWER & LESS EFFICIENT Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode operations (which webbrowsers run in + their addons like AdBlock slow down even MORESO due to their parsing operations).

7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than remote DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server, typically 30-100's of ms, vs. 7-10ms HardDisk speed of access/seek + SSD seek in ns, & back to you - hosts resolutions of IP address for host-domain names is FAR faster...). Hosts are only a filter for an already fast & efficient IP stack, no more layered b.s. (remote OR local). Hosts eat less CPU, RAM, I/O in other forms, + electricity than a locally running DNS server easily, and less than a local DNS program on a single PC. Fact. Hosts are easier to setup & maintain too.

8.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN bad servers blocked)

And yes: Even SLASHDOT &/or The Register help!

(Via articles on security (when the source articles they use are "detailed" that is, & list the servers/sites involved in attempting to bushwhack others online that is... not ALL do!)).

2 examples thereof in the past I have used, & noted it there, are/were: [] []

9.) AdBlock & DNS servers are programs, and subject to bugs programs can get. Hosts files are merely a filter and not a program, thus not subject to bugs of the nature just discussed.

10.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> []

11.) HOSTS files are EASILY user controlled, obtained (for reliable ones -> [] ) & edited too, via texteditors like Windows notepad.exe or Linux nano (etc.)

12.) With Adblock you had better be able to code javascript to play with its code (to customize it better than the GUI front does @ least). With hosts you don't even need source to control it (edit, update, delete, insert of new entries via a text editor).

13.) Hosts files are easily secured via using MAC/ACL (even moreso "automagically" for Vista, 7/Server 2008 + beyond by UAC by default) &/or Read-Only attributes applied.

14.) Custom HOSTS files also speed you up, unlike anonymous proxy servers systems variations (like TOR, or other "highly anonymous" proxy server list servers typically do, in the severe speed hit they often have a cost in) either via "hardcoding" your fav. sites into your hosts file (avoids DNS servers, totally) OR blocking out adbanners - see this below for evidence of that:


US Military Blocks Websites To Free Up Bandwidth: []

(Yes, even the US Military used this type of technique... because IT WORKS! Most of what they blocked? Ad banners ala doubleclick etc.)


Adbanners slow you down & consume your bandwidth YOU pay for:



And people do NOT LIKE ads on the web:



As well as this:

Users Know Advertisers Watch Them, and Hate It: []


Even WORSE still, is this:

Advertising Network Caught History Stealing: []


15.) HOSTS files usage lets you avoid being charged on some ISP/BSP's (OR phone providers) "pay as you use" policy [] , because you are using less bandwidth (& go faster doing so no less) by NOT hauling in adbanner content and processing it (which can lead to infestation by malware/malicious script, in & of itself -> [] ).

16.) If/when ISP/BSP's decide to go to -> FCC Approving Pay-As-You-Go Internet Plans: [] your internet bill will go DOWN if you use a HOSTS file for blocking adbanners as well as maliciously scripted hacker/cracker malware maker sites too (after all - it's your money & time online downloading adbanner content & processing it)

Plus, your adbanner content? Well, it may also be hijacked with malicious code too mind you:


Yahoo, Microsoft's Bing display toxic ads: []


Malware torrent delivered over Google, Yahoo! ad services: []


Google's DoubleClick spreads malicious ads (again): []


Rogue ads infiltrate Expedia and Rhapsody: []


Google sponsored links caught punting malware: []


DoubleClick caught supplying malware-tainted ads: []


Yahoo feeds Trojan-laced ads to MySpace and PhotoBucket users: []


Real Media attacks real people via RealPlayer: []


Ad networks owned by Google, Microsoft serve malware: []


Attacks Targeting Classified Ad Sites Surge: []


Hackers Respond To Help Wanted Ads With Malware: []


Hackers Use Banner Ads on Major Sites to Hijack Your PC: []


Ruskie gang hijacks Microsoft network to push penis pills: []


Major ISPs Injecting Ads, Vulnerabilities Into Web: []


Two Major Ad Networks Found Serving Malware: []












London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware: []


Spotify splattered with malware-tainted ads: []


As my list "multiple evidences thereof" as to adbanners & viruses + the fact they slow you down & cost you more (from reputable & reliable sources no less)).

17.) Per point #16, a way to save some money: ANDROID phones can also use the HOSTS FILE TO KEEP DOWN BILLABLE TIME ONLINE, vs. adbanners or malware such as this:


Infected Androids Run Up Big Texting Bills: []


AND, for protection vs. other "botnets" migrating from the PC world, to "smartphones" such as ZITMO (a ZEUS botnet variant): []


It's easily done too, via the ADB dev. tool, & mounting ANDROID OS' system mountpoint for system/etc as READ + WRITE/ADMIN-ROOT PERMISSIONS, then copying your new custom HOSTS over the old one using ADB PULL/ADB PUSH to do so (otherwise ANDROID complains of "this file cannot be overwritten on production models of this Operating System", or something very along those lines - this way gets you around that annoyance along with you possibly having to clear some space there yourself if you packed it with things!).

18.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> []

HOSTS files are NOT THAT EASILY "webbug" BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked on AdBlock in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:



An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM []

"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."


"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"

Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!


19.) Even WIKILEAKS "favors" blacklists (because they work, and HOSTS can be a blacklist vs. known BAD sites/servers/domain-host names):



"we are in favour of 'Blacklists', be it for mail servers or websites, they have to be compiled with care... Fortunately, more responsible blacklists, like (which protects the Firefox browser)...


20.) AND, LASTLY? SINCE MALWARE GENERALLY HAS TO OPERATE ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF CAN DO (running as limited class/least privlege user, hopefully, OR even as ADMIN/ROOT/SUPERUSER)? HOSTS "LOCK IN" malware too, vs. communicating "back to mama" for orders (provided they have name servers + C&C botnet servers listed in them, blocked off in your HOSTS that is) - you might think they use a hardcoded IP, which IS possible, but generally they do not & RECYCLE domain/host names they own (such as has been seen with the RBN (Russian Business Network) lately though it was considered "dead", other malwares are using its domains/hostnames now, & this? This stops that cold, too - Bonus!)...

21.) Custom HOSTS files gain users back more "screen real estate" by blocking out banner ads... it's great on PC's for speed along with MORE of what I want to see/read (not ads), & efficiency too, but EVEN BETTER ON SMARTPHONES - by far. It matters MOST there imo @ least, in regards to extra screen real-estate.

Still - It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock ( [] ), IE 9's new TPL's ( [] ), &/or NoScript ( [] especially this one, as it covers what HOSTS files can't in javascript which is the main deliverer of MOST attacks online & SECUNIA.COM can verify this for anyone really by looking @ the past few years of attacks nowadays), for the concept of "layered security"....

It's just that HOSTS files offer you a LOT MORE gains than Adblock ( [] ) does alone (as hosts do things adblock just plain cannot & on more programs, for more speed, security, and "stealth" to a degree even), and it corrects problems in DNS (as shown above via hardcodes of your favorite sites into your HOSTS file, and more (such as avoiding DNS request logs)).

ALSO - Some more notes on DNS servers & their problems, very recent + ongoing ones:


DNS flaw reanimates slain evil sites as ghost domains: []


BIND vs. what the Chinese are doing to DNS lately? See here: []



(Yes, even "security pros" are helpless vs. DNS problems in code bugs OR redirect DNS poisoning issues, & they can only try to "set the DNS record straight" & then, they still have to wait for corrected DNS info. to propogate across all subordinate DNS servers too - lagtime in which folks DO get "abused" in mind you!)


DNS vs. the "Kaminsky DNS flaw", here (and even MORE problems in DNS than just that): []

(Seems others are saying that some NEW "Bind9 flaw" is worse than the Kaminsky flaw ALONE, up there, mind you... probably corrected (hopefully), but it shows yet again, DNS hassles (DNS redirect/DNS poisoning) being exploited!)


Moxie Marlinspike's found others (0 hack) as well...

Nope... "layered security" truly IS the "way to go" - hacker/cracker types know it, & they do NOT want the rest of us knowing it too!...

(So until DNSSEC takes "widespread adoption"? HOSTS are your answer vs. such types of attack, because the 1st thing your system refers to, by default, IS your HOSTS file (over say, DNS server usage). There are decent DNS servers though, such as OpenDNS, ScrubIT, or even NORTON DNS (more on each specifically below), & because I cannot "cache the entire internet" in a HOSTS file? I opt to use those, because I have to (& OpenDNS has been noted to "fix immediately", per the Kaminsky flaw, in fact... just as a sort of reference to how WELL they are maintained really!)


DNS Hijacks Now Being Used to Serve Black Hole Exploit Kit: []


DNS experts admit some of the underlying foundations of the DNS protocol are inherently weak: []


Potential 0-Day Vulnerability For BIND 9: []


Five DNS Threats You Should Protect Against: []


DNS provider decked by DDoS dastards: []


Ten Percent of DNS Servers Still Vulnerable: (so much for "conscientious patching", eh? Many DNS providers weren't patching when they had to!) []




TimeWarner DNS Hijacking: []


DNS Re-Binding Attacks: []


DNS Server Survey Reveals Mixed Security Picture: []


Halvar figured out super-secret DNS vulnerability: []


BIND Still Susceptible To DNS Cache Poisoning: []


DNS Poisoning Hits One of China's Biggest ISPs: []


DDoS Attacks Via DNS Recursion: []


High Severity BIND DNS Vulnerability Advisory Issued: []


Photobucketâ(TM)s DNS records hijacked: []


Protecting Browsers from DNS Rebinding Attacks: []


DNS Problem Linked To DDoS Attacks Gets Worse: []


HOWEVER - Some DNS servers are "really good stuff" vs. phishing, known bad sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malware-in-general & malicious scripting, botnet C&C servers, & more, such as:

Norton DNS -> []
  ScrubIT DNS -> []
  OpenDNS -> []

(Norton DNS in particular, is exclusively for blocking out malware, for those of you that are security-conscious. ScrubIT filters pr0n material too, but does the same, & OpenDNS does phishing protection. Each page lists how & why they work, & why they do so. Norton DNS can even show you its exceptions lists, plus user reviews & removal procedures requests, AND growth stats (every 1/2 hour or so) here -> [] so, that ought to "take care of the naysayers" on removal requests, &/or methods used plus updates frequency etc./et al...)

HOWEVER - There's ONLY 1 WEAKNESS TO ANY network defense, including HOSTS files (vs. host-domain name based threats) & firewalls (hardware router type OR software type, vs. IP address based threats): Human beings, & they not being 'disciplined' about the indiscriminate usage of javascript (the main "harbinger of doom" out there today online), OR, what they download for example... & there is NOTHING I can do about that! (Per Dr. Manhattan of "The Watchmen", ala -> "I can change almost anything, but I can't change human nature")

HOWEVER AGAIN - That's where NORTON DNS, OpenDNS, &/or ScrubIT DNS help!

(Especially for noob/grandma level users who are unaware of how to secure themselves in fact, per a guide like mine noted above that uses "layered-security" principles!)

ScrubIT DNS, &/or OpenDNS are others alongside Norton DNS (adding on phishing protection too) as well!

( & it's possible to use ALL THREE in your hardware NAT routers, and, in your Local Area Connection DNS properties in Windows, for again, "Layered Security" too)...




"Ever since I've installed a host file ( to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)

"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363) Homepage Journal

"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752) Homepage Journal

"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: [] " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)

"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)

"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)

"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050) Homepage Journal

"you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage

"APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment." - by Culture20 (968837) on Thursday November 17, @10:08AM (#38085666)

"I also use the MVPS ad blocking hosts file." - by Rick17JJ (744063) on Wednesday January 19, @03:04PM (#34931482)

"I use ad-Block and a hostfile" - by Ol Olsoc (1175323) on Tuesday March 01, @10:11AM (#35346902)

"I do use Hosts, for a couple fake domains I use." - by icebraining (1313345) on Saturday December 11, @09:34AM (#34523012) Homepage

"It's a good write up on something everybody should use, why you were modded down is beyond me. Using a HOSTS file, ADblock is of no concern and they can do what they want." - by Trax3001BBS (2368736) on Monday December 12, @10:07PM (#38351398) Homepage Journal

"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. [] and [] FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)

"Let me introduce you to the file: /etc/hosts" - by fahrbot-bot (874524) on Monday December 19, @05:03PM (#38427432)

"I use a hosts file" - by EdIII (1114411) on Tuesday December 13, @01:17PM (#38357816)

"I'm tempted to go for a hacked hosts file that simply resolves most advert sites to" - by bLanark (123342) on Tuesday December 13, @01:13PM (#38357760)

"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525) Homepage Journal

"A hosts file certainly does not require "a lot of work" to maintain, and it quite effectively kills a LOT of advertising and tracking schemes. . In fact, I never would have considered trying to use it for ddefending against viruses or malware." - by RocketRabbit (830691) on Thursday December 30 2010, @05:48PM (#34715060)


Then, there is also the words of respected security expert, Mr. Oliver Day, from SECURITYFOCUS.COM to "top that all off" as well:


Some "PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS" to back up my points with (for starters):


"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."

Speed, and security, is the gain... others like Mr. Day note it as well!


"From what I have seen in my research, major efforts to share lists of unwanted hosts began gaining serious momentum earlier this decade. The most popular appear to have started as a means to block advertising and as a way to avoid being tracked by sites that use cookies to gather data on the user across Web properties. More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware."

Per my points exactly, no less... & guess who was posting about HOSTS files a 14++ yrs. or more back & Mr. Day was reading & now using? Yours truly (& this is one of the later ones, from 2001 [] (but the example HOSTS file with my initials in it is FAR older, circa 1998 or so) or thereabouts, and referred to later by a pal of mine who moderates (where I posted on HOSTS for YEARS (1997 onwards)) -> [] !


"Shared host files could be beneficial for other groups as well. Human rights groups have sought after block resistant technologies for quite some time. The GoDaddy debacle with NMap creator Fyodor (corrected) showed a particularly vicious blocking mechanism using DNS registrars. Once a registrar pulls a website from its records, the world ceases to have an effective way to find it. Shared host files could provide a DNS-proof method of reaching sites, not to mention removing an additional vector of detection if anyone were trying to monitor the use of subversive sites. One of the known weaknesses of the Tor system, for example, is direct DNS requests by applications not configured to route such requests through Tor's network."

There you go: AND, it also works vs. the "KAMINSKY DNS FLAW" & DNS poisoning/redirect attacks, for redirectable weaknesses in DNS servers (non DNSSEC type, & set into recursive mode especially) and also in the TOR system as well (that lends itself to anonymous proxy usage weaknesses I noted above also) and, you'll get to sites you want to, even IF a DNS registrar drops said websites from its tables as shown here Beating Censorship By Routing Around DNS -> [] & even DNSBL also (DNS Block Lists) -> [] as well - DOUBLE-BONUS!


* POSTS ABOUT HOSTS FILES I DID on "/." THAT HAVE DONE WELL BY OTHERS & WERE RATED HIGHLY, 26++ THUSFAR (from +3 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service:2011 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2011 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE:2011 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] IN HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> [] (still says INSIGHTFUL)
  HOSTS MOD UP vs. botnet: 2012 -> []


Windows 7, VISTA, & Server 2008 have a couple of "issues" I don't like in them, & you may not either, depending on your point of view (mine's based solely on efficiency & security), & if my take on these issues aren't "good enough"? I suggest reading what ROOTKIT.COM says, link URL is in my "p.s." @ the bottom of this post:

1.) HOSTS files being unable to use "0" for a blocking IP address - this started in 12/09/2008 after an "MS Patch Tuesday" in fact for VISTA (when it had NO problem using it before that, as Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 still can)... & yes, this continues in its descendants, Windows Server 2008 &/or Windows 7 as well.

So, why is this a "problem" you might ask?

Ok - since you can technically use either:

a.) (the "loopback adapter address")
b.) (next smallest & next most efficient)
c.) The smallest & fastest plain-jane 0


You can use ANY of those, in order to block out known bad sites &/or adbanners in a HOSTS file this way??

Microsoft has "promoted bloat" in doing so... no questions asked.

Simply because

1.) = 9 bytes in size on disk & is the largest/slowest
2.) = 7 bytes & is the next largest/slowest in size on disk
3.) 0 = 1 byte

(& HOSTS files extend across EVERY webbrowser, email program, or in general every webbound program you use & thus HOSTS are "global" in coverage this way AND function on any OS that uses the BSD derived IP stack (which most all do mind you, even MS is based off of it, as BSD's IS truly, "the best in the business"), & when coupled with say, IE restricted zones, FireFox addons like NoScript &/or AdBlock, or Opera filter.ini/urlfilter.ini, for layered security in this capacity for webbrowsers & SOME email programs (here, I mean ones "built into" browsers themselves like Opera has for example))

MS has literally promoted bloat in this file, making it load slower from disk, into memory! This compounds itself, the more entries your HOSTS file contains... & for instance? Mine currently contains nearly 654,000 entries of known bad adbanners, bad websites, &/or bad nameservers (used for controlling botnets, misdirecting net requests, etc. et al).

Now, IF I were to use My "huge" HOSTS file would be approximately 27mb in size... using (next smallest) it would be 19mb in size - HOWEVER? Using 0 as my blocking IP, it is only 14mb in size. See my point?

(For loads either in the local DNS cache, or system diskcache if you run w/out the local DNS client service running, this gets slower the larger each HOSTS file entry is (which you have to stall the DNS client service in Windows for larger ones, especially if you use a "giant HOSTS file" (purely relative term, but once it goes over (iirc) 4mb in size, you have to cut the local DNS cache client service)))

NO questions asked - the physics of it backed me up in theory alone, but when I was questioned on it for PROOF thereof?

I wrote a small test program to load such a list into a "pascal record" (which is analagous to a C/C++ structure), which is EXACTLY what the DNS client/DNS API does as well, using a C/C++ structure (basically an array of sorts really, & a structure/record is a precursor part to a full-blown CLASS or OBJECT, minus the functions built in, this is for treating numerous variables as a SINGLE VARIABLE (for efficiency, which FORTRAN as a single example, lacks as a feature, @ least Fortran 77 did, but other languages do not))!

I even wrote another that just loaded my HOSTS file's entirety into a listbox, same results... slowest using, next slowest using, & fastest using 0.

And, sure: Some MORE "goes on" during DNS API loads (iirc, removal of duplicated entries (which I made sure my personal copy does not have these via a program I wrote to purge it of duplicated entries + to sort each entry alphabetically for easier mgt. via say, notepad.exe) & a conversion from decimal values to hex ones), but, nevertheless? My point here "holds true", of slower value loads, record-by-record, from a HOSTS file, when the entries become larger.

So, to "prove my point" to my naysayers?

I timed it using the Win32 API calls "GetTickCount" & then again, using the API calls of "QueryPerformanceCounter" as well, seeing the SAME results (a slowdown when reading in this file from disk, especially when using the larger or line item entries in a HOSTS file, vs. the smaller/faster/more efficient 0).

In my test, I saw a decline in speed/efficiency in my test doing so by using larger blocking addresses ( &/or, vs. the smallest/fastest in 0)... proving me correct on this note!

On this HOSTS issue, and the WFP design issue in my next post below?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> [] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I am convinced they (MS) do NOT have a good reason for doing this... because of their lack of response there on this note. Unless it has something to do with IPv6 (most folks use IPv4 still), I cannot understand WHY this design mistake imo, has occurred, in HOSTS files...


2.) The "Windows Filtering Platform", which is now how the firewall works in VISTA, Server 2008, & Windows 7...

Sure it works in this new single point method & it is simple to manage & "sync" all points of it, making it easier for network techs/admins to manage than the older 3 part method, but that very thing works against it as well, because it is only a single part system now!

Thus, however?

This "single layer design" in WFP, now represents a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE/ATTACK for malware makers to 'take down'!

(Which is 1 of the 1st things a malware attempts to do, is to take down any software firewalls present, or even the "Windows Security Center" itself which should warn you of the firewall "going down", & it's fairly easy to do either by messaging the services they use, or messing up their registry init. settings)

VS. the older (up to) 3 part method used in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003, for protecting a system via IP Filtering, the Windows native Firewall, &/or IPSEC. Each of which uses diff. drivers, & layers of the IP stack to function from, as well as registry initialization settings.

Think of the older 3 part design much the same as the reason why folks use door handle locks, deadbolt locks, & chain locks on their doors... multipart layered security.

(Each of which the latter older method used, had 3 separate drivers & registry settings to do their jobs, representing a "phalanx like"/"zone defense like" system of backup of one another (like you see in sports OR ancient wars, and trust me, it WORKS, because on either side of yourself, you have "backup", even if YOU "go down" vs. the opponent)).

I.E.-> Take 1 of the "older method's" 3 part defenses down? 2 others STILL stand in the way, & they are not that simple to take them ALL down...

(Well, @ least NOT as easily as "taking out" a single part defensive system like WFP (the new "Windows Filtering Platform", which powers the VISTA, Windows Server 2008, & yes, Windows 7 firewall defense system)).

On this "single-part/single-point of attack" WFP (vs. Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003's IP stack defense design in 3-part/zone defense/phalanx type arrangement) as well as the HOSTS issue in my post above?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> [] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I'll stick to my thoughts on it, until I am shown otherwise & proven wrong.


Following up on what I wrote up above, so those here reading have actual technical references from Microsoft themselves ("The horses' mouth"), in regards to the Firewall/PortFilter/IPSec designs (not HOSTS files, that I am SURE I am correct about, no questions asked) from my "Point #2" above?

Thus, I'll now note how:


1.) TCP/IP packet processing paths differences between in how Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 did it (IPSEC.SYS (IP Security Policies), IPNAT.SYS (Windows Firewall), IPFLTDRV.SYS (Port Filtering), & TCPIP.SYS (base IP driver))...

2.) AND, how VISTA/Server 2008/Windows 7 do it now currently, using a SINGLE layer (WFP)...


First off, here is HOW it worked in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 - using 3 discrete & different drivers AND LEVELS/LAYERS of the packet processing path they worked in: []

The Cable Guy - June 2005: TCP/IP Packet Processing Paths


The following components process IP packets:

IP forwarding Determines the next-hop interface and address for packets being sent or forwarded.

TCP/IP filtering Allows you to specify by IP protocol, TCP port, or UDP port, the types of traffic that are acceptable for incoming local host traffic (packets destined for the host). You can configure TCP/IP filtering on the Options tab from the advanced properties of the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) component in the Network Connections folder.

* "Here endeth the lesson..." and, if you REALLY want to secure your system? Please refer to this: []

APK [mailto]

P.S.=> SOME MINOR "CAVEATS/CATCH-22's" - things to be aware of for "layered security" + HOSTS file performance - easily overcome, or not a problem at all:

A.) HOSTS files don't function under PROXY SERVERS (except for Proximitron, which has a filter that allows it) - Which is *the "WHY"* of why I state in my "P.S." section below to use both AdBlock type browser addon methods (or even built-in block lists browsers have such as Opera's URLFILTER.INI file, & FireFox has such as list as does IE also in the form of TPL (tracking protection lists -> [] , good stuff )) in combination with HOSTS, for the best in "layered security" (alongside .pac files + custom cascading style sheets that can filter off various tags such as scripts or ads etc.) - but proxies, especially "HIGHLY ANONYMOUS" types, generally slow you down to a CRAWL online (& personally, I cannot see using proxies "for the good" typically - as they allow "truly anonymous posting" & have bugs (such as TOR has been shown to have & be "bypassable/traceable" via its "onion routing" methods)).

B.) HOSTS files do NOT protect you vs. javascript (this only holds true IF you don't already have a bad site blocked out in your HOSTS file though, & the list of sites where you can obtain such lists to add to your HOSTS are above (& updated daily in many of them)).

C.) HOSTS files (relatively "largish ones") require you to turn off Windows' native "DNS local client cache service" (which has a problem in that it's designed with a non-redimensionable/resizeable list, array, or queue (DNS data loads into a C/C++ structure actually/afaik, which IS a form of array)) - covers that in detail and how to easily do this in Windows (this is NOT a problem in Linux, & it's 1 thing I will give Linux over Windows, hands-down). Relatively "smallish" HOSTS files don't have this problem ( offers 2 types for this).

D.) HOSTS files, once read/loaded, once? GET CACHED! Right into the kernelmode diskcaching subsystem (fast & efficient RAM speed), for speed of access/re-access (@ system startup in older MS OS' like 2000, or, upon a users' 1st request that's "Webbound" via say, a webbrowser) gets read into either the DNS local caching client service (noted above), OR, if that's turned off? Into your local diskcac


Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516243)

It comes out, faster than you can type!

Re:No... apk (0, Troll)

waddgodd (34934) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516255)

Ever think you're getting modded down because you're an asshole?


Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516571)

See here, explains it all -> []

* :)

I.E./Summary: Trolls had a challenge put to them to validly disprove my points in the post I just replied to - result? Trolls FAIL... lol!


P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol, man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

Ah yes "geek angst" @ it's 'finest' (not), vs. facts & truths = downmod by /. weak trolls!

... apk

Re:DISPROVE MY POINTS TROLL...apk (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516775)

Hi. I am a 28 year old male that frequently reads these forums over the past several years. I generally use them to gauge popular perception on certain topics, and to find competing viewpoints to popular problems (nerds love to make each other look stupid/disprove each other/demonstrate topical intellectual superiority). I have come across your post a few times, and it is very disconcerting to see the sort of writing style you introduce as it is a very harsh contrast to the "normal" -- which goes even for non-native English speakers. I spent at least five minutes reading links and supporting evidence for "" not being as efficient as "0". The amount of fervor you utilize to make this point comes off to me (and perhaps an explanation for you, many others that you refer to as trolls) as insanity. You seem to imply there is an unexplained, even conspiratorial effort at Microsoft for sabotaging your preferred host file entry method. You also seem to think you have a reputation which is at stake, and I assure you, aside from your raving posts, I have never heard of you before. The time-cube APK imposter you mention appears to be (at least to me) an adequate parody of your abrasive writing and argument style. The fact that you seem to take such excessive offense to this parody further strengthens the lehman's perception of your insanity. I suspect I am representative of a much larger sample in this regard, but you may consider me to be one additional data point.


Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517189)


He certainly does read as either a complex spambot who's doing an awful lot of linkfarming, a very peculiar troll, or a total nutjob, i tend to believe the latter least.


Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43521273)

Nobody cares. Nobody ever cared. Kill yourself.

Re:No... apk (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517251)

Ever think you're getting modded down because you're an asshole?

I've started clicking the flag button to report that guy's ass on every post, hoping that Slashdot admins eventually ban this guy's ass for repeated spamming, but that doesn't seem to work. I bet if everyone who sees that spam post reports it that eventually they will do something about it.

Re:No... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516383)

I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:

Says the one spamming Slashdot comments despite repeatedly being told nobody cares about your geek angst.

Yes, yes, I know, everyone, don't feed the troll and don't bother replying. Point taken, but still, I can't help but be amused by how the entire multi-page whine specifically designed to cheat Slashdot's comment length cutoff is confirmed hypocrisy in the first few lines.

Re:No... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516447)

How does he bypass the comment length cutoff?

Re:No... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516539)

Slashcode is all just fucked to hell.

Re:No... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516569)

I remember someone mentioning it has to do with html tags

Anyone know why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516391)

Is there some rationale behind these posts? Or is it just for shits and giggles?

Re:Anyone know why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43521395)

Maybe it's just me, but surely this is one of the few stories where it could be considered on-topic.

Maybe? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516589)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS , & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.


apk on 4chan []




That was amazing. - []


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - []


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - []


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - []


Oh shit, Time Cube Guy's into computers now... - []


[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - []


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - []


this is hilarious. - []


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - []


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - []


a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - []


a very clever parody of APK - []


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - []


Obviously, it must be Alexander Peter Kowalski. He's miffed at all these imposters... - []


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - []


I think it's the Internet, about to become sentient. - []


KUDOS valiant AC. - []


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - []


You made my day, thanks! - []


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - []


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - []


It's APK himself trying to maintain the illusion that he's still relevant. - []


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - []


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - []


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - []


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - []


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - []


that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - []


What? - []


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - []


[to apk] er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - []


it's apk, theres no reason to care. - []


Seems more like an apk parody. - []


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - []


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - []


I can has summary? - []


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - []


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - []


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - []


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - []


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - []


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - []


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - [] []


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - []


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - []


Best. Troll. Ever. - []


I like monkeys. - []


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - []


I admire this guy's persistence. - []


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - []


APK is a prominent supporter of Monsanto. - []


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - []


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - []


^ Champion Mod parent up. - []


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - []


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - []


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - []


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - []


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - [] []


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - []


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - []


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - []




I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - []


Can I be in your quote list? - []


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - []


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - []


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - []


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - []


I just saw APK a couple days ago. He surfaced, blew once, and submerged... - []


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - []


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - [] []


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - [] []


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - []
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - []


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - []


you have a point - []


I do admire that level of dedication. - []


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - []


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - []


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - []


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - []


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - []


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - []


extremely bright - []


You provide many references, which is good. - []


Obviously very passionate - []


Thanks ... You should probably stay - []


Art? -- []


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - []


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - []


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - []


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - []


Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - []


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - []


You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - []


Most insightful post on the Internet - []


I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - []


[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - []


people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - []


Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - []
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - []


I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - []


When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - []


[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - []


[to apk] The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. - []
-->What? You don't have a 14MB hosts file with ~1million entries in it? Next you'll probably tell me that your computer doesn't start thrashing and take 5 minutes for a DNS lookup! - []


[about apk] - this fwit is as thick as a post. worse, this shithead has mod points. and using them. - []


In before the fight between those two guys and their walls of text... - []




KPA ...thgim dik a ekil .s.b laivirt hcus no emit hcum taht etsaw t'ndluow I sa ,ti gniod em TON si ti - syug ON - []


[to apk] You seriously need to go see a shrink. You are a fucking fruitcake! - []


[to apk] Did you ever consider that it's not just one corrupt moderator, it's a bunch of regular slashdot users who infrequently get mod points who think you are totally full of shit? Stop posting annoying off topic irrelevant bullshit, and people won't mod you down. I'm seriously sick of reading your posts about someone impersonating you. - []


[to apk] you should be forced to use a cholla cactus as a butt-plug - []


[to apk] No one is on your side, that is why you're here. posting. still. No one cares. - []


Who's the more moronic? The original moron, or the one who replies to him knowing full well his comment will certainly be ignored, if not entirely unread, thus bringing the insane troll post to the attention of those who would otherwise not have seen it at all (seeing as it started at 0 and would have rapidly been modded down to -1) and whose post (and, somewhat ironically I grant you, this one as well) now requires 3 more mod points to be spent to hide it? - []


[to apk] I miss trollaxor. His gay porn world of slashdot executives and open-source luminaries was infinitely more entertaining than this drivel. - []


PLEASE stop modding biters up. Anyone who responds to an abvious troll, especually one of these APK trolls, should autometically get the same -1 troll as the damned troll. Any response to a troll only makes the troll do more trolling. Come on, guys, use your brains -- it isn't that hard. Stop feeding the damned trolls! - (missing link)


[to apk] Lick the inside of goatse's anus, it's delicious! - []


Excellent post A++++++++++++ would scroll past again!!!! - []


[to apk] You are the one who is pitiful. If you didn't spam /. with your bullshit you wouldn't have spammer 'impostors' doing the same. Just fuck off and die already, ok? Please, really. Step in front of a bus. Drink some bleach. Whatever it takes, just FUCK OFF and DIE. - []


[to apk] From one AC to another please for the love of god, PRINT YOUR HOST FILE OUT AND CRAM IT DOWN YOUR JAPS EYE!!! For fucks sake we don't care we see this and it takes the piss, short of a full frontal lobotomy what will it take to stop you posting this you moronic fuckwit? - []


[to apk] And someone forgot to take his meds today...Are you really that dense that you cant tell that the only reason the "impostor" exists because you have a hard time realizing that you are wrong and/or wont let it go. It would take a complete moron to not realize that the whole reason he continues to do it is because he knows he can get you to respond by simply posting. This isnt rocket science, this is internet 101... Let me offer you some advice on how to get rid of this "impostor"...shutup - []


[to apk] If you had a 'luser' account it wouldn't be a problem. But you don't want one of those, because your long rambling and bizarrely formatted posts mean your karma gets nuked in next to no time. So I guess you just have to work out which is 'worth it'. Posting AC because I don't want to become your latest fixation. - []


I wouldn't be surprised if that is APK trying to draw attention to himself, since he thinks such endless tirades are examples of him winning and make him look good. When people stop paying attention to him, or post actual counterpoints he can't come up with a response to, he'll post strawman troll postings to shoot down, sometimes just copy pasted from previous stories. - []


[to apk] No one wants to read your copy pasted crap. Maybe someone is mocking you because you make it so easy to? So drop it, and participate like an adult please. - []


Seriously.... What. The. Fuck. Can you two homos just go make out on brokeback mountain already, and stop talking about how one of you misspelled "penetration", and how the other cockblocks with their hosts files while grabing the other's goat? Goodness, it sure feels like being in a mountain range, trying to peer around those fucking orbital tether lengthed posts of pure premium bullsit the two of you somehoq manage to keep pushing out on demand. Shit stinks! At this point, i'd be willing to risk the fucking extinction of all life on earth by redirecting siding spring C/2013 1A to miss Mars and land on both of your fucking heads instead. The deaths of billions would be a small price to pay to shut you two cackling lovebirds up! - []


[to apk] Listen up jackass, why the hell would somebody want to impersonate you? You're a certified internet kook. Nobody gives a hot about your 3 gig hosts file. And nobody is impersonating you. You're already a fucking parody. - []


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. Despite this advice you are convinced that your comments are valuable contributions, ignoring the obvious evidence to the contrary (namely the -1 scores your posts earn on a regular basis). - []


[about apk] Can this be killed off? I don't mean this account, I mean the actual meatbag behind it. - []


[to apk] Get an account retard. If you format your password as crazily as your posts no-one will ever crack it. - []


[to apk] You are the most consistently annoying creature on the internet. There are people worse than you, just like cancer is worse than psoriasis, but you're more like the latter: pervasive, annoying, and always cropping up when one has mostly forgotten about it. You are that indeterminate, continuous itching that slowly erodes someone's mood until they consider cutting off a part of themselves just to stop it for a while. And like psoriasis, you're auto-immune and not fully understood by science. Slashdot continuously makes it worse by scratching that itch over and over again. It's not smart. It just encourages the disease. But everybody's got a limit to their patience. There is no cure for you. But at least, when slashdot dies, you will die with it, and there will be peace. - []


Alexander Peter KowalskI and anyone arguing with him are insane. I saw their crazy tirades once and googled his name, and HOLY SHIT. This guy has mini battle raging all over many sites for some of the most inane shit you can think of. He meticulously catalogs the people who have crossed him and works to MAKE SURE everyone understands they are fools. Now, they well be fools, but by his meticulous and obsessive actions Kowalski (APK) has proved without a shadow of doubt his absolutE insanity. I haven't even argued with this guy so don't think I'm part of these internet crusades. All this I've found by googling his name. The trove of flaming and incomprehensible obsessive agression is humongous and both funny, and pathetic to varying intense degrees. Just google if you are curious about the kinds of crazy that are out there." - []


I'm convinced APK is serious, he has got battles raging everywhere, meticulously catalogued, yet he thinks this is proof of his knowledge and experience, not obsessive insanity. And making that point doesn't make him reconsider, it incites him. He also seems to think what looks like many multiples of people saying this are one or a few people who are out to get him. Just read my post and google Alexander Peter Kowalski. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalski ubuntu touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his HOSTS file and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me - []


[to apk] Hey man, I know this is important to you, but maybe you should talk to someone outside of the internet about it? I mean, you sound really batshit insane. - []


[to apk] You're an AC and you say you have impersonators? - []


ghod bless you APKtroll for bringing some much needed balance and reason to this thread! - []


[to apk] APK, you suck. Go die in a fire. The hosts file in Windows is a _terrible_ way to filter internet traffic. - []


I'm replying just so you'll add me to your quote list. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalksi's low intelligence, extreme narcissism, and histrionic personality make him unsuited for anything but menial labor. - []




Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.


* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [] I practice.


Disproof of all apk's statements:


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TIP JAR: 1EtLgU5L3jhmVkDmqrWT9VhoZ1F2jSimHS []
RECEIVED: 0.0195 BTC - thx! ;-)

Re:No... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516879)

Stop posting and kill yourself you unintelligent useless fuck.

Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541821)

You're embarassing yourself Jeremiah Cornelius [] since you posted that using your registered username by mistake (instead of your usual anonymous coward submissions by the 100's the past 2-3 months now on slashdot) giving away it's you spamming this forums almost constantly, just as you have in the post I just replied to.

Re:Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43547655)

Hello Paul.

p.s. What do you make of this? []

Re:Jeremiah Cornelius: Grow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43551899)

Forty Two Tenfold has Jeremiah Cornelius = "friend" in his account on /. = obvious he's a sockpuppet account you, Jeremiah Cornelius, use. Yes we know it's you Jeremiah Cornelius that I am replying to now, you off topic troll. Jeremiah Cornelius, you blew it with your 100's of anonymous coward trollings by accidentally submitting one of them by your registered username here Jeremiah Cornelius [] and you, Jeremiah Cornelius failed badly giving yourself away troll. Doing sock puppets along with that? No big trick to the likes of you, clearly caught in the act in that link above..

Unwitting Accomplices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516233)

Would people who donated to their cause be unwitting accomplices when Anonymous continues to violate many laws in many countries? I'm sure that governments will use this as a tact to pry into people's lives.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1, Troll)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516279)

Actually, calling themselves "Anonymous" and gathering funding now gives governments around the world - from Russia to Australia, from the US to Indonesia - the pretext to prosecute anybody posting anonymously online, as a conspirator and an accessory to... Well, darn near anything.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (2, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516401)

Do you really think that posting anonymously online reaches the standard of 'probable cause,' or even 'reasonable suspicion'? Because that's what they're going to need if they're going to prosecute them (in the US, Australia might have different standards).

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (3, Insightful)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516627)

You don't need "probable cause" or even evidence, in "terrorism" cases, apparently.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516865)

How's this [] for evidence?

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516933)

Yes, yes you do.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517035)

Yes, yes you do.

You need it, but law enforcement agencies often do not bother getting it.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517149)

You need it, but law enforcement agencies often do not bother getting it.

What case are you even talking about? It's pointless to arrest someone without getting it because the case will get thrown out of court.

The bar for 'reasonable suspicion' is really low, but even then it's above 'commented anonymously online.' You need to get your conspiracy theory hat off.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43518475)

What case are you even talking about? It's pointless to arrest someone without getting it because the case will get thrown out of court.

People in gitmo would like you to specify what court and when ... they'd like to have their cases thrown out of court, since no charges have ever been filed for many of them, despite months and years of detention.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | about a year and a half ago | (#43518277)

Are you really the person behind the "host file" spam?

Spam Example []

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year and a half ago | (#43518861)

Of course not.

I "elevated" one, once, under my UID with copy and paste. Why?

It was modded below visibility - and a CLEAR, HYSTERICAL PARODY that included about 5-7 running slashdot jokes.

Now. Let's get back to the topic: The end of liberty, freedom, due process and rule of law in the USA: []

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43520791)

Even the filmer sounded tired in that movie.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43523047)

Asshole, liar, and troll tells more lies. Film at 11.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (2)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516663)

Do you really think that posting anonymously online reaches the standard of 'probable cause,' or even 'reasonable suspicion'?

Yes.. What makes you think that it doesn't? We now have, and probably always did have, a 'public safety exception' to all constitutional law. Our facade of 'freedom' is really quite flimsy and crumbling fast.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1, Troll)

umeboshi (196301) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516819)

Perhaps your "freedom" is crumbling fast because you decided to treat it as a facade and leave it exposed to the elements that weathered it into it's crumbling status. I, however, chose to take my "freedom" and protect in a fortress that I like to call "the law". I have found this to be the best way to actually "preserve" my "freedom". If our freedom didn't need such protection, we would not have any need for the law in the first place.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43520751)

We now have, and probably always did have, a 'public safety exception' to all constitutional law.

Tell me that when his testimony is allowed as evidence in court.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516435)

But how is that annoymous hasn't been able to squat to China is it because they scared shitless of what Chinese government can do?

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (-1, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516445)

A criminal organization, now creating a money trail to follow. Anyone who gets put in jail from this deserves it because they are idiots.

Re:Unwitting Accomplices? (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516565)

Rather people pretending to associate with the organization and provide a public face for them. Surely this group of anonymous has nothing to do with the anonymous hackers. This little dilemma goes back to the definition of the word "anonymous".

Way to miss the point YAN (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516271)

The idea of an official Anonymous anything is absurd.

And for an unofficial Anonymous site, there's 4chan.

Now that anonymous is passe, can I suggest... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516609)

using 'Anonymous Coward' as the name for the replacement anti-organization? :)

Re:Now that anonymous is passe, can I suggest... (1)

Pseudonym (62607) | about a year and a half ago | (#43521425)

Well, if it had started here instead of 4chan, that's exactly what it would be called.

But yeah, I can totally see protestors in Natalie Portman masks, doin' it for the hot grits.

Cheese is the real victim here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516283)

Someone has to claim the money, somehow, making it a sure way for authorities to nab the silly buggers. To be sure, though, it's not Anonymous but someone cashing in on their fame.

Re:Cheese is the real victim here (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516367)

Exactly. I wish I'd thought of this way to make money too.

Re:Cheese is the real victim here (1)

Dins (2538550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516547)

Exactly. I wish I'd thought of this way to make money too.

Yeah, it's great until some three letter agency breaks down your door at 3:00 am, shoots your dog, and has some questions for you...

Re:Cheese is the real victim here (1)

DroolTwist (1357725) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516715)

Yeah, it's great until some three letter agency breaks down your door at 3:00 am, shoots your dog, and has some questions for you...

Doesn't this normally happen to the people who live a house or two away from the house they are trying to target?

Re:Cheese is the real victim here (5, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517651)

Someone on 4chan said it best: "Anyone claiming to represent anon is not anon."

Re:Cheese is the real victim here (2)

Pseudonym (62607) | about a year and a half ago | (#43521437)

I believe you just posted the first comment ever which was ever voted to +5 insightful, whose only contribution to the discussion is a quote from "someone on 4chan".

You win the Internet for today.

Is it just me (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516319)

Is it just me or does this seem like the dumbest idea ever, about as smart as an Al Qaeda cell setting up a plainly signed recruitment office next door to MI5's headquarters?

It's not just you. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516773)

I headdesked when I read it up to "official Anonymous website".

That guy claimed MY money, check my username - I'd go and sue him for that but I don't have enough guts for this :(

Re:It's not just you. (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43518693)


Re:Is it just me (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year and a half ago | (#43522937)

You know Al Qaeda does actually have a media wing and publishes a regular magazine called "Inspire" right?

They already own a website... (5, Funny)

mw13068 (834804) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516345)

... it just happens to have other people's content on it sometimes.

like slashdot (1)

schlachter (862210) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516891)

so many of the posts will be signed with anonymous coward

Re:They already own a website... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517117)

Yeah, the CP belongs to other people, of course it does...

posting as AC to avoid retribution.

CAPTCHA: rotten, how apt.

FBI is first subscriber! (5, Funny)

danbuter (2019760) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516349)

The cybercrime division of the FBI is the very first subscriber, remarkably enough.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (2)

fibonacci8 (260615) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516379)

As well as a large number of the members.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516583)

As well as a large number of the members.

He said the first, you cant have a large number of individuals be first now can you?

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (1)

fibonacci8 (260615) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517315)

The cybercrime division of the FBI presumably has more than one member, so of course you can.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516585)

And the FBI is a large amount of what is reported on ... maybe they should just call it "The FBI Post"

in fact (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43520133)

if 75% of all anonymous' activities arent the fbi they are other 3 letter orgs of the usa govt.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (1)

NatasRevol (731260) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516599)

Fox, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS are the next five.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (1)

schlachter (862210) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516869)

hey, it would be nice as a misinformation site...or better yet...a honey pot for law enforcement online accounts/personas

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43518057)

That's because they are a FBI funded group that is a rouse for things like CISPA. I know you were joking but it is scary the amount of truth that is behind it.

Re:FBI is first subscriber! (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about a year and a half ago | (#43521615)

Subscriber? For all we know, it's the anonymous FBI who set up that web site and the FBI who anonymously donated most of the money to itself. It certainly wouldn't be that difficult for them to pressure an existing anonymous member to do their bidding, or to set up their own anonymous identity among other anonymous members just for a couple of months before volunteering to set the web site up.

Stupid (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516355)

This is probably the most stupid thing I've ever seen in my life. And I used to go to church...

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43521173)

I laughed so hard I spit out my Coke. If I could fan you I would!

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43522351)

Churches don''t teach the truth. The Bible does't say what churches say.

YAN is NOT anonymous (0)

Max DollarCash (2874161) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516409)

How long before some other "anons" decide to go against the YAN. This cannot and won't go mainstream as long as others use the same name. I wait for their twitter or website to be owned soon enough. the real anon's are /b/tards and do whatever they please. You cannot control or organize such a group. They are called /b/tards for a reason.

Re:YAN is NOT anonymous (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516529)

How long before some other "anons" decide to go against the YAN. This cannot and won't go mainstream as long as others use the same name. I wait for their twitter or website to be owned soon enough. the real anon's are /b/tards and do whatever they please. You cannot control or organize such a group. They are called /b/tards for a reason.

It seems as if someone organizes you into a relatively homogeneous group...

absurd! (2)

drwho (4190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516433)

An Anonymous website...the whole point is there can be no single website. This project is a bunch of posers, and it will be DoSed as soon as it goes up. In any case, 4chan is about as close to an Anonymous web site as is wanted, needed, or possible.

Re:absurd! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517677)

This project is a bunch of posers

More likely a honeypot or part of a campaign to discredit anon.

Re:absurd! (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43518729)

No! I am Spartacus!

Anonymous is mainstream already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516501)

Look, I'm posting as anonymous!

Listen, the whole point of calling themselves anonymous is because they are. There's no way to be "officially" anonymous, because attaching a name and website to it defeats the entire purpose.

This isn't just late, this is slowpoke meme status (3, Insightful)

B1oodAnge1 (1485419) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516625)

Anonymous went mainstream circa 2007. Anyone thinking anything different has no understanding of what is actually going on.

Lawyers cracking knuckles (1)

concealment (2447304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516651)

"That's excellent! Now that they're a legitimate public entity, they can be sued! That gets them out of criminal court, and into profit court err I mean civil court."

I can hear the excited clicking of Mont Blanc pens now...

Re:Lawyers cracking knuckles (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43518771)

"That's excellent! Now that they're a legitimate public entity, they can be sued! That gets them out of criminal court, and into profit court err I mean civil court."

I can hear the excited clicking of Mont Blanc pens now...

I tire of this game. There are many heads. This one you may sever from the hydra, and carry back to your town as a trophy. The trumpets will welcome you as a returning hero, but anyone with half a mind will know the truth of this day.

Slaying the hydra (1)

concealment (2447304) | about a year and a half ago | (#43529923)

A good lawyer doesn't slay it; she keeps it alive and milks it for hourly payments.

Misdirection (5, Insightful)

sstamps (39313) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516785)

Anyone who thinks that this represents or is backed by the core activists who are part of the collective is, well.. a fool parted with their money.

It would paint a massive bulls-eye target on anyone associated with it, pretty much saying "here I am, come get me!".

Re:Misdirection (1)

spekode (2904101) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517531)

Anyone who thinks that anonymous needs "core activists" doesn't understand anonymous. That is the idea, isn't it? Decentralization? These anon are as legit as those anon. Wait, are you anon? This is misinformation and I swallowed it hook, line 'n sinker!! AHHH!

Re:Misdirection (1)

sstamps (39313) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517937)

Yeah, I wasn't so much defining a membership group as delineating the ones who do from the ones who talk.

Re:Misdirection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517681)

Let's be clear, and let's state outright what other posters are only implying: This is likely a sting operation by the FBI or some other authority.

The FBI likes to infiltrate groups when they can, and when they do they assume positions of power so that later on they can topple the entire organization by pulling just a few strings. You do not have to be a subversive org to be p0wned by the FBI. They have infiltrated anti-violence protestors and quilting circles. Other authorities do the same thing with more or less skill at it.

In the case of Anonymous, there is no central hierarchy for the authorities to supplant. So of course they're going to try to make one. Everyone who signs up for this website (probably everyone who visits it) will wind up on a list, and that list will be targeted for even more scrutiny. This is a trawling operation. A clumsy one, but it's a hammer that the authorities already have, so they might as well try to find a nail with it.

What this article should say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43516949)

Bunch of spooks, astroturfing cover for break-in operations, secures public funding to increase profile of non-existent group.

geez, is Anon going to open coffeeshops next? (1)

swschrad (312009) | about a year and a half ago | (#43516989)

the wi-fi is free, but your disk gets examined on the Tors.

Re:geez, is Anon going to open coffeeshops next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517031)

>>the wi-fi is free, but your disk gets examined on the Tors.

Umm, you misspelled "Thors"

-Eric Schmidt

old news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517009)

i thought they already had one called 4chan...

Re:old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517685)

We kicked those children off the site in 2008 after they decided in 2007 that they need to Do Good in the world.

That resulted in the formation of various websites all around the web for their activities, popularly referred to as the /i/ age of anonymous, AKA /i/nsurgency.
After that I stopped caring about the children.
Most of them were skiddie drones, only a few of the people with actual capability were of any worth, and those people pretty much used the skiddies as ammo and distractions.
And we all know what happened to the ones of worth, they turned in to sub-groups like Lulzsec and, uh I forgot the other awful one, they were attention-whoreish as well.
Very few white-hat groups emerged from the Anonymous Collective. Most are grey or straight-up blackhole-hat. Dark indeed. I hear they regularly summon gods from the underverse.

Hell, even the collective in general never really formed on 4chan, it was another one I forgot the name of, 711 I think.
Before that, Anonymous was just a joke on the random board.
I hate when subtle jokes get taken up by people that don't understand it, especially in small communities, they end up thinking it is serious.
That single thing destroys so many communities all over the web.
As the saying goes, if a group acts like idiots, eventually actual idiots will find a home with them. History of 4chan right there.

Re:old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43518289)

Wow. You actually made a huge rant that amounted to nothing more than "newfags"

$55,000 for a website? (1)

s1d3track3D (1504503) | about a year and a half ago | (#43517263)

I can set them up with a wordpress site for free!
(I would think they know how to 'secure it', hardy har har)

I will DDoS It Like It's Hot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43517281)

DDoS It Like It's Hot
DDoS It Like It's Hot

Re:I will DDoS It Like It's Hot (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year and a half ago | (#43519491)

DDoS It Like It's Hot

Interesting isn't it? How ineffectual the DDoS is, incapable of actually stopping anything from happening for any length of time. It only raises awareness. The hive needs information outlets (many of them, because: why not?), and all are just as "official" as the others, yet it will freely fling its own "weapons" at itself, knowing it can not truly harm the body -- like an anemone immune to its own poison. It's merely communicating with itself.

The DDoS has become only a way to make a proportion of disapproval known through exerting sheer evidence of the existence of differing ideas. Like an arched cat walking sideways, or a Lion's thundering roar, it serves only to intimidate, provide proof of their presence, and in the hive's case, perhaps spark discussion. Since it takes energy to continue in a strong enough capacity to affect any real change this discord will fade into the mass of other chaotic signals as the dissenters grow bored, the protested cease action, the DDoSed get more support in the form of more traffic and bigger pipes, or the conflict of wills is resolved.

As one who studies and applies a wide range of systems from genetic algorithms to neural networks in accordance with information theory and a host of other sciences it's interesting to me how self organizing forms emerge and evolve. Humans are a hive-mind themselves: Their complex genetic programs dispatch chemical signals from the nucleus of each cell causing the cells to perform a multitude of actions, some more specialized for a task than others, from livers to bones to white blood cells, to neurons, or egg and sperm; These collectives have reached a sufficient level of complexity in interaction between the cells to give rise to minds where thoughts themselves dwell as echoes of electro-chemical currents, and the humans have themselves began interacting in such complex ways with thoughts that they can form meta structures too. This generation of humans being more capable of connecting and communicating ideas directly than any other in history rushes faster still toward the next phase of macro organization and awareness: They themselves are becoming merely cells forming the loose structure of yet a larger organisms made of like-minded thoughts...

Corporations and governments are similar meta structures in some ways, but these are the product of intelligent design. What we have here is the natural emergence of a species of organizational amoeba -- A slime-mold-like entity capable of dispersing and regrouping instantly, one that needs no constant influx of energy to survive because it thrives by being completely abandoned husk of dormant ideas that surges to life in sections at a time when the larger cultural system senses the need or opportunity to put forth the pressure of those ideals to the other meta structural entities.

If you study life as a system of information, what's going on here is clear. I will stop now, however, because if I continue it may also become clear to others how to end such an organisms' life before it truly has a chance to begin. Have no fear though, if the design or configuration is unfit death is optimal. Look at yourself though -- Little amoebas running around in your blood, born from within the relatively static bone structure -- And these are your best defense against invaders who would hijack your very cells and turn them against you. The configuration of Anonymous may or may not survive, but the useful structures will be preserved in future generations. Humans can serve as host cells for more than one intangible thought system.

"All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again."
-- J.M. Barrie, Peter Pan

"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again."
-- Six, Battlestar Galactica

Re:I will DDoS It Like It's Hot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43521199)

So say we all.

More seriously, that what you describe has a name. Its called an egregore.

They already have a website (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43518585)

It's called 4chan

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43518847)

I and many Anons stand against it, because it is not the way Anonymous works. Those individuals do not speak for the rest, and they may be taken out of business by Anonymous.

It happened once before with "The Plan", where those that came up with it came up with a web site, which required people to login and it provided all kinds of personal information. They came under attack, and finally gave in and dropped out of sight.

A majority of the Anonymous community saw them as a front for government spooks, and the same will happen in this new case. In fact, I would not be surprised if it is the same people.

Slashdot is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43520869)

Apparently not if Slashdot has anything to say about it! Anonymous makes the call for websites to go dark to protest CISPA and Slashdot ignores it as if it wasn't happening. Tsk. If this were 1998, i'm betting it would, but now your corporate masters won't let it.

For shame, Slashdot, for shame (and you just lost a reader.)

Anonymous collects $55k to pay for bandwidth (1)

Memroid (898199) | about a year and a half ago | (#43522011)

of LOIC attacks from anonymous.

YAN.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43526473)

This guy, he is a Federal Criminal Informant Just like Sabu.

Popularity via Anonymity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43533261)

Just as the name suggests, the reason why Anonymous has gained such popularity is because actually being a member is "Anonymous". Thus, it is easy to say "Well, I'm in Anonymous and we're gonna hack you!" However, since there is no official membership, participation, or having to answer for being in the group (assuming you weren't one of the few people who actually did the hacking and were tracked... it happens...), you can just deny participation when it's convenient. Also, since they don't have specific leaders, there is no "big boss" who you could piss off if you do something wrong in his/her eyes.

It's actually a lot like posting on /. Yes, there are many who have accounts (not that it's difficult to make a free account that isn't linked to you)... but it's really easy to post only when you feel like it as "Anonymous Coward". When you actually have to join something, you think about reputation and backlash for things you do wrong... but since it's not linked to you (and you had to invest 0 time to prepare for doing it), #&@! what other people say and just move on whenever you want.

Thinking about posting a stupid comeback? Don't care, after I post this I won't be checking this article again... and you'll never know who I am since I'm "Anonymous".

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