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No one cares that you can't spin your own... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521519)

Self entitled shitpickles think their byzantine piles of dirt can dictate how history records their failings.

UFO's spotted at space station (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521523)

Several videos [inewp.com] have surfaced showing moving objects near the ISS as astronauts spacewalked. There is speculation that these objects could UFO's containing aliens conducting observation exercises.

Re:UFO's spotted at space station (3, Funny)

deimtee (762122) | about a year ago | (#43522405)

Wow. With grammar like that you should submit the story to slashdot.

Lame summery (3, Informative)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about a year ago | (#43521531)

The flame baiting, lame summery tries to make it looks like some evil diplomat tries to censor some facebook pages. But as the TFA says, this is about an imposter who has assumed a diplomats name on a fake facebook account and now post fake posts.

Re:Lame summery (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521569)

I don't get that impression from this summary.

Re:Lame summery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521837)

Nah. Got more of a, "See... Facebook is going to start a war because they love money so much and they're so evils."

To which I say, "Piss off."

Re:Lame summery (2)

ThePeices (635180) | about a year ago | (#43521725)

Just like to confirm that I also do not get this impression from the summary.

In fact, my impression was exactly as described in TFA.

Re:Lame summery (1)

mjwx (966435) | about a year ago | (#43521813)

The flame baiting, lame summery tries to make it looks like some evil diplomat tries to censor some facebook pages. But as the TFA says, this is about an imposter who has assumed a diplomats name on a fake facebook account and now post fake posts.

Brendan is a common Australian first name.
Nelson is a common Australian last name.

I'd be surprised if there weren't a few Brendan Nelson's in Australia. Now if you called yourself Minister Brendan Nelson or Ambassador Brendan Nelson then we have an issue.

So it seems that the real Ambassador Nelson was trying to get an impostor Ambassador Nelson shut down.

Fake Brendan Nelson is also not a problem. We had a Fake Stephen Conroy (Stephen Conroy is the current Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (and the ministry of excessively, needlessly and obnoxiously long ministry names) who had no problems, even when it was revealed that the person behind Fake Stephen Conroy worked for our largest Telco.

Re:Lame summery (1)

anubi (640541) | about a year ago | (#43522559)

Sounds like the same conundrum [wikipedia.org] Microsoft was in regarding Mike Rowe, except this time there is not only exact name spellings involved but also a bit of acrimony.

Re:Lame summery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522085)

I'd call it springy, it's a little early to be summery.

Didn't China produce fake Facebook pages...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522337)

Wasn't that a story awhile back / would seem to make this diplomat's concerns valid.

Re:Lame summery (3, Insightful)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about a year ago | (#43522347)

But as the TFA says, this is about an imposter who has assumed a diplomats name on a fake facebook account and now post fake posts.

So? Facebook allows multiple accounts with the same name. There is no reason to close the imposter account (other than it being against Facebook's TOS, but that's not the diplomats issue). The diplomat has no basis or standing to make the request.

In what world is a facebook page going to be "diplomatically damaging"? He should go pound some sand.

Re:Lame summery (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522617)

I checked earlier today. There were two public accounts with his name and photo in the profile. They had similar descriptions of him. They were not obvious fake accounts from looking at the profiles. I didn't look at the posts though.

I agree with the man (5, Insightful)

Camembert (2891457) | about a year ago | (#43521537)

I read through the article. I must say that I sympathise with him - he sees technology as something that should support life, not something that is pervasive, like people non-stop updating FB or twitter accounts. I also think that there could be a better authentication system at FB.

Re:I agree with the man (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521575)

As a former diplomat he neither has power or influence and theres no profit in Facebook helping so like an ordinary person he is screwed.

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521847)

Hopefully as a former diplomat he still have friends in high places. He tried the straightforward approach and it didn't work. Perhaps making a few calls, and having all of Facebook's employees in Belgium (assuming they have any) arrested, might get their attention.

Is that abuse of power? Well, isn't what Facebook is doing (or not doing) also abuse of power?

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522175)

Facebook doesn't have the staff to take complaints from a billion users. It has less than 5000 employees. So it would be abuse of lack of power? They make a few dollars per account per year. 1 15 min phone call wipes out any chance of making a profit from an account.

Re:I agree with the man (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#43522267)

This guy isn't just anybody, he's a former Belgian ambassador. Not sure if Belgium has a consolate in Los Angeles, but surely he can convince the Belgian embassy in Washington DC to make a few phone calls or perhaps send them a certified letter on official letterhead asking them to kindly remove the offending pages. Facebook would do well not to ignore consular requests when made concerning such matters.

Re:I agree with the man (5, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43522281)

This guy isn't just anybody, he's a former Belgian ambassador.

Out of the way you peons, it the FORMER BELGIAN AMBASSADOR!

Prepositions (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522845)

To Belgium. He's the former Australian ambassador to Belgium.

Re:I agree with the man (4, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#43522317)

Correction. He was appointed as ambassador to Belgium, Luxembourg, the European Union, and NATO by Austria and Austria does indeed have a consulate office in Los Angeles. From TFA he sounds like an intelligent and well educated man who's made a reasonable request. Saying things about someone online is one thing, but impersonating them is quite another. Perhaps after all of this Facebook can spare this gentlemen a few moments of their time. I especially liked his advice about dashing off messages while you're angry. I know that I've done it before, without much good coming of it, and so have many of us here on Slashdot. I suppose you learn a thing or two about polite conduct being a diplomat.

Re:I agree with the man (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#43522343)

Sigh, it's definitely time to throw in the towel when the words start blurring together on your screen. That would be Australia for the double bogey to finish twenty over par. Thank you.

Re:I agree with the man (4, Informative)

asifyoucare (302582) | about a year ago | (#43522773)

Correction. He was appointed as ambassador to Belgium, Luxembourg, the European Union, and NATO by Austria and Austria does indeed have a consulate office in Los Angeles. ....

AUSTRALIA, not Austria. You know, with kangaroos, not lederhosen.

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522629)

Former Belgian Ambassador is his claim to fame? He was the Australian Minister of Defence for a while, not to mention Leader of the Opposition

Former Ambassador To... (1)

andersh (229403) | about a year ago | (#43522841)

This guy isn't just anybody, he's a former Belgian ambassador.

Brendan Nelson, Australian Ambassador to Belgium, Luxembourg, NATO and the EU.

Re:I agree with the man (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522843)

While what you say is accurate it is also completely irrelevant. You don't accept such abusive behaviour from a company simply because the company adopted a model that is too cheap to provide adequate support to address the problem. As a person you have certain rights and a company saying it doesn't have the staff to stop its assets from abusing your rights is facebooks problem, not the persons. Facebook needs to face some strict government crackdowns or fines to get them to address this type of problem better, it is simply not acceptable.

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522251)

More specifically, knowing it's false, is it libel to publish it in that part of Europe?

Libel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522855)

Try the UK with their crazy laws. We're reasonable in Continental Europe.

Re:I agree with the man (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#43522245)

Facebook is located in California and here in California impersonating somebody online without their permission is now a crime punishable by a $1000 fine or up to a year in jail. It also creates an opportunity, independent of any other civil remedies which may also be available, to sue for injunctive relief (removal of Facebook page) and compensatory damages. At the very least this law could probably be used to get Facebook to remove the page for the price of a California attorney writing them a letter requesting that they do so and citing the statute [ca.gov].

Re:I agree with the man (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43522449)

Facebook also probably has decent lawyers who can point out the reason for the law is to stop actual fraudulent impersonation, like trying to get money from people under false pretenses. Outside of that, the first amendment provides good protection, especially if the intent is to parody Nelson.

Re:I agree with the man (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | about a year ago | (#43522547)

Except it isn't quite like a political cartoon or a caricature because on Facebook it may not be immediately obvious that this isn't really him. There isn't somebody jumping out from behind his picture and saying, "Live from New York it's Saturday Night!". I'll admit that I haven't taken the time to examine the page in question, but even if it is a parody is this really the sort of thing that Facebook wants on their site? They're in the business of delivering "real" people, not parodies of real people, to paying advertisers. The customers are the advertisers, not the users, and Facebook is first and foremost a business or at lease their shareholders hope that it is.

Re:I agree with the man (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521653)

I think there should be more My Little Ponies on Facebook.

$10,000 CHALLENGE? (2)

tbird81 (946205) | about a year ago | (#43521879)

Don't encourage him! We've already got APK/Jeremiah Cornelius complaining about impersonation every post.

Next thing Brendan Nelson's going to be coming here, spamming "A corrupt facebook luser has infiltrated the liking system to downlike all my posts."

Re:$10,000 CHALLENGE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522247)

Don't encourage him! We've already got APK/Jeremiah Cornelius complaining about impersonation every post.

Next thing Brendan Nelson's going to be coming here, spamming "A corrupt facebook luser has infiltrated the liking system to downlike all my posts."

Wait, that's what we need. Somebody contact Michael Kristopiet. Let's see what happens when he and APK/Jeremiah Cornelius meet.

Sorry, did I say "that's what we need"? I meant "that would be hilarious".

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521889)

Oh for chrissake. The diplomatically damaging fake facebook profile??

Pull the other one.

Pick up a goddamn phone and call whoever you're worried about. Jesus, I should be an ambassador.

Re:I agree with the man (4, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43521941)

I also think that there could be a better authentication system at FB.

We'll think about this while taking our fourth shower of wealth in our gold-plated bathtub. In the meantime, did you know you can promote a customer service inquiry by paying only an additional $3.99?

Seriously dude, you're the product, not the customer. Who cares what you think? You've already given us all your personal data, what does it matter?

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522107)

The best authentication system for FB would be a power blackout on all their (invasive) servers. I'm an FB widower and I hate Zuck and his gang.

Re:I agree with the man (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522491)

My dick is less interesting than FB and I hate Zuck and his gang.

TFTFY.

The net of lies (3, Interesting)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year ago | (#43521561)

Vernor Vinge called it in his Hugo winning book "A Fire Upon The Deep" - where the galactic net was known as the "net of lies". It was probably in Facebook's interest to do something about an account that wasn't clearly a parody as having a robust way of dealing with fake accounts engenders trust that accounts that appear to be from important/influential people and organizations are actually real. The follow on from Facebook's inaction is that those people/organizations that are influential/important will be less likely to use Facebook to disperse their message/propaganda.

Re:The net of lies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521795)

Hexapodia as the key insight.

Cybersquatting (2)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about a year ago | (#43521579)

I wonder if the cybersquatting laws are written (or interpreted) so narrowly that he couldn't hit the imposter that way. It may not be a domain name; it's his name and identity.

Cheers,
Dave

mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521629)

This (cybersquatting law application) is exactly right. Also, couldn't he call Mark Zuckerberg directly? He is a diplomat.

Re:mod parent up (3, Insightful)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about a year ago | (#43521839)

This (cybersquatting law application) is exactly right. Also, couldn't he call Mark Zuckerberg directly? He is a diplomat.

He could try calling Zuckerburg directly but, as a guess, FB doesn't want to set a precedent for anyone of policing their content. OTOH, making Nelson get a court order means that FB doesn't have to judge (and be put in the position of having to judge) the veracity of anyone's page. It's a slippery slope and, if they're not careful, they could be held responsible for ensuring that no one is cyber-bullying, harassing someone, spreading hate or engaging in who knows what kind of politically incorrect behavior.

Cheers,
Dave

I'm not sure what his complaint is (1, Troll)

Adult film producer (866485) | about a year ago | (#43521605)

I crafted a name for facebook that would pass it's name filters but would protect my anonymity and I'm not ashamed to say it. I could have picked something as simple as John Smith but either way my identity remains protected. I also have 5 other facebook accounts that I use with vpn proxies... none of them are "fake" .. they just use a different name but they all reflect my same opinion. If his feelings are hurt.. well, too bad. Suck it up. My feelings have been hurt many times.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521695)

Why?

Really, I can get the point of having one fake account to keep in touch with friends, although facebook will likely figure out your real name and everything soon enough based on the friends.

Having several fake accounts to express your opinion just seems to be trying to make your opinion seem important. To start, its against their terms of agreement, however shitty those are, but it also doesn't seem to serve any "good" purpose. I really can't think of a good reason to do this, and I mean good as in the ethical sense. It would probably be nice to try and spread false information or whatever, but it seems a shitty way to do good things.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (0)

Adult film producer (866485) | about a year ago | (#43521707)

and I should care about the T&A of facebook? Go ahead and be tracked by facefuck if you want to so willingly.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521733)

wow, way to totally miss their point and just latch onto one short tangential phrase

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521859)

I am not saying you should, although when you are using their service, maybe you should. Its not as if you aren't tracked now, hell, you are tracked 5 times now. If you use them all separately, on separate locations and never make a mistake, I guess you could probably make facebook believe there are 5 different people there. However, likely, they will all be linked, things like forgetting to log out or having multiple friends in common between each account.

If you really dislike their service this much, and you really don't want to be tracked, why use them? Sure, nearly everybody else does, but not everybody, its quite possible to live without facebook, those obscure friends from years ago you wouldn't even talk to again without facebook? Maybe you really don't want to talk with them all that much if you can't do it without facebook.
You don't want to sell your soul to the devil but hey, if we split my soul in 5 and kinda fake as if its not really my soul, it isn't all that wrong. Sure he still gets the whole soul, but there is a chance he can't put them all together and link them to me. And yeah, I lost my soul to him, but there is a chance he doesn't know it, which doesn't really matter all that much on second thought.
If your principle is that you really don't want facebook to track you, the right way would be to not use facebook and if all possible ,block it as much as you can. If you are still going to allow them some tracking with the hope they cant puzzle together that its you, your principle really isn't worth all that much.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (1)

zippthorne (748122) | about a year ago | (#43522409)

If your principle is that you really don't want facebook to track you, the right way would be to not use facebook and if all possible ,block it as much as you can. If you are still going to allow them some tracking with the hope they cant puzzle together that its you, your principle really isn't worth all that much.

Also, you need to not have any friends who use facebook, or you'll get a "shadow account" created for you if you don't sign up....

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522263)

Why?

The adult films he produces may well be illegal, or something else about his operation is. By running five Facebook accounts under false names via vpn proxies, he only loses touch with 20% of his customers if he has to cut one loose due to law enforcement activities. Works for drug dealers too.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (2)

ThePeices (635180) | about a year ago | (#43521739)

So you had your feelings hurt once, therefore he should be OK with having his name hijacked and diplomatically damaging posts posted under his name.

Thats some mighty impressive logic and deductive reasoning you have used there sir.

Color me like, totally impressed dude.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | about a year ago | (#43521861)

Not once... like I said, many times.. and it doesn't bother me personally. I just prefer to react to those comments in a different way.

Re:I'm not sure what his complaint is (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43522543)

Just because TFS says the posts were diplomatically damaging doesn't make it the truth. It's most likely satire/parody that got under his skin because it had too much truth to it.

Define "Fake Post" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521621)

Because if it's parody or satire I'm not on his side. If it is someone literally impersonating him that's a different story.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (4, Informative)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about a year ago | (#43521687)

If it is someone literally impersonating him that's a different story.

It is someone literally impersonating him.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521735)

There are two public accounts under his name with his face in the profile. Looks like a ligit complaint. Not sure why he thinks being a diplomat would give him special sway with Facebook though. Facebook is a low margin business that survives by not having much staff. Complaining to Facebook is complaining to a software program.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522053)

LOL

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

dingen (958134) | about a year ago | (#43522413)

Facebook is a low margin business that survives by not having much staff. Complaining to Facebook is complaining to a software program.

In 2012 Facebook had 4,619 employees. I'm sure they have more now. Surely one of those people could answer mister Nelson's e-mails?

Re:Define "Fake Post" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522587)

I'd bet that most of those people are server or database admins, not customer service monkeys

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

dingen (958134) | about a year ago | (#43522611)

And who's fault is that? Here's a hint: not mister Brendan Nelson's.

And by the way, I don't think most of Facebook's employees are technical staff at all, they're probably mostly sales people. All over the world Facebook has opened offices to get local businesses to advertise on their website. I think most of Facebook's people work in one of those.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43522549)

You sure about that? We don't have much evidence from this article alone of the kinds of posts made. However, judging from most fake accounts of public figures on facebook, its probably pretty clearly fake.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (5, Informative)

hjf (703092) | about a year ago | (#43521803)

No difference for them. Facebook doesn't care because all they care about is serving ads. More pages=more ads.

I had a problem a couple months ago. I have a business and a business page on facebook with nearly 2500 fans. I worked years to get it to where it is now. One day, suddenly, a fake profile appears, using all of my images, texts, etc... all except the prices: he claimed everything was half of what i posted on my true page. It took "orders" (send your money and i'll send your order).

A couple of customers alerted me. So i asked all my facebook friends AND my customers to report the profile. It was still there for days, still active, friending more and more people. People even started coming into my shop asking and getting mad because "on facebook you told me half this price!" and i had to explain that it was a fake profile (mad people don't reason - they went away angry at ME!). Eventually I confronted the fake profile, told him everything i knew, and told him i had already contacted the police. Minutes later the profile was inactive.

It wasn't facebook who deactivated it. I had to do it. Facebook NEVER gave a shit. I'm a facebook CUSTOMER (because I PAY THEM REAL LIFE MONEY FOR ADVERTISING). And I didn't get a phone number, mail address or anything. Just a useless contact form directed straight to /dev/null.

Facebook has people checking "flagged" things - you will never see porn on fb because they kill that kind of content within minutes. But when it comes "edge cases" like mine, it's a big fuck from them.

Do i still work with them? Yes. I have no other choice. I spent months developing a website. One that worked and that I kept updated. For 10 visits a week vs facebook page's ~500 visitors/mo. 5x that if i pay for ads. Right now, as of 2013, facebook has become "the internet". It has already killed Windows Live Messenger (THE IM system for spanish-speaking people).

Facebook doesn't give a fuck about business pages either. They don't offer a "chat" option for pages (people actually want to chat. they don't want to "send a message", but the stupid antisocial asperger-syndrome driven facebook developer doesn't understand the power of "live chat with a real person"). They don't offer an option to "schedule" album posts. And to make things worse: they force you to pay now. Your reach will be minimal if people haven't added you to their "interest lists", and for 90% of your customers, your post won't appear unless you pay $5 to promote it for 3 days (which is an outrageous amount considering that, to keep your page "alive", you need to post at least once a day). I don't want to pay $150/mo to facebook - sorry.

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

EuclideanSilence (1968630) | about a year ago | (#43522127)

Sounds like an actual genuine legal problem if someone is misrepresenting your prices. Why didn't you ask a lawyer?

Not to mention, when your argument to Facebook is "hey I'm real and he's fake", how are they to know you are telling the truth? What if the other page had made the claim first? They aren't going to hire a detective to investigate every claim just because you paid for some ads. God knows how many requests they get from angry teenagers, businesses with non-unique names, trolls behind proxies, etc.

I suspect their policy is something along the lines of "respond to legal requests and to hell with everyone else" out of necessity. It's somewhat hard to imagine that for identity arguments that they could do anything else. I don't have any love for Facebook, but what exactly were you hoping for?

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

cristiroma (606375) | about a year ago | (#43522571)

Umm, let me think ... opening a case, like on PayPal? Where the two can confront each other? Scanned IDs? Hand written papers like certificate of birth is hard to fake. It's not like everyone is a fucking Photoshop guru. And if you provide a scan with high dpi, it will be really hard to fake. Not fool proof, but discouraging. And if you can't solve that, warn that police might be notified and consequences could be nasty.
Even if you can't handle that, at least pretend you're trying. But they can't do anything about it, because this kind of work is conducted probably by some african vilagers [deseretnews.com]. And moving anything in that direction would cut a slice from Zuckerberg's pie. Who would like that?

Re:Define "Fake Post" (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43522579)

Facebook already has systems for determining if someone is who they say they are, so hiring a detective isn't necessary for this sort of identification dispute. They also explicitly ask the public at large to report suspicious accounts exactly like those in grandparents post. All things considered, they should have looked into it, because they ask us to tell them when it happens.

Former Politician (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521675)

Brendan Nelson is primarily a politician, not a diplomat. The highlights of his career include supporting the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to evolution and gutting the academic independence of Australia's University/Science Research System.

Re:Former Politician (2)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year ago | (#43522033)

Are you claiming that it's acceptable to impersonate a serial puppy murderer, but not someone that volunteers their time and money to save starving children in Elbonia?

Re:Former Politician (2)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#43522083)

Brendan Nelson is primarily a politician, not a diplomat. The highlights of his career include supporting the teaching of intelligent design as an alternative to evolution and gutting the academic independence of Australia's University/Science Research System.

Fake scientist objects to fake diplomats?

Re:Former Politician (1)

LukeWebber (117950) | about a year ago | (#43522427)

Also, as head of the AMA, he opposed death with dignity laws. And as a doctor, he once denied his sick brother the same. The man's a dick.

Not super sympathetic (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521719)

I can sympahtize with his plight to a point. Problem is that the government bureacracy he is a part of has screwed over lots of people in the same way. Legitimate problems go unaddressed by an uncaring and uresponsive machine.

Cultural Differences (3, Funny)

MarkvW (1037596) | about a year ago | (#43521731)

Free speech is just an absolute bitch, isn't it? We all approach it in different ways.

Re:Cultural Differences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521851)

Yes, you think it entitles you to impersonate someone else, I think it entitles to speak in your own name to authority.

Re:Cultural Differences (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521871)

But wouldn't this be in the "fraud" territory and not "free speech"?

Re:Cultural Differences (1)

EuclideanSilence (1968630) | about a year ago | (#43522089)

What is your definition of freedom of speech? Mine is: no information may be made illegal to disseminate. By that definition, making identity theft illegal is not a violation of rights to freedom of speech. It's not the information that is illegal (who someone is) but rather the intent behind it (to steal or otherwise usurp someone's reputation).

Some people confusion "X may not be made illegal" with "anything is legal as long as you are also doing X". Just because you are using speech does not mean that concurrent actions are or should be legal. A driver's license grants you legal right to drive on a road, but it doesn't mean you can drive over people. If you drive over someone you can't say "but I have a legal right to drive and my license proves that." You can drive all day long, but you are being arrested for hitting someone.

You can talk about a person's identity all day long. But mens rea [wikipedia.org] means that we just based on intent, not on superficial actions.

Re:Cultural Differences (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522399)

False attribution is not free speech. You can say what you wish, you can even say it anonymously, but you don't get to falsely claim I said something. That's not your right. There is no benefit to society to allow such behavior.

Re:Cultural Differences (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522595)

What part of free speech protects identity theft, exactly?

I doubt it's nefarious. (2)

dead_user (1989356) | about a year ago | (#43521821)

They likely weren't even aware he tried to contact them until now. I doubt he ever actually spoke with anyone there. This smacks of melodrama.

Re:I doubt it's nefarious. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43521923)

They likely weren't even aware he tried to contact them until now. I doubt he ever actually spoke with anyone there.

Spoke with? Have you ever tried to get someone from Facebook on the phone? Good luck with that.

Aww, too bad, go fuck yourself, 'kay? (0)

pla (258480) | about a year ago | (#43522001)

Anything "diplomatically damaging" can only mean "good for the rest of us mere humans".

So...TFB! I don't use Facebook, but I'll support them on this issue until my blood runs down the street and into the gutter at the point of government bullets.

Re:Aww, too bad, go fuck yourself, 'kay? (1)

Aristos Mazer (181252) | about a year ago | (#43522059)

Did you read the article? It was someone impersonating a diplomat and encouraging problems between nations, which has this bad habit of leading to conflict of various kinds. That's what "diplomatically damaging" means. Free speech does not extend to impersonating someone and falsifying information.

Re:Aww, too bad, go fuck yourself, 'kay? (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43522485)

Maybe I missed it, but all I saw were mentions of "pretty lame" comments about politicians within his own country. The posts were probably childish, asinine, and in no plausible way causing confusion for anyone remotely competent, and yet, I'd say there's a decent chance this account has been a better influence on Australian and international politics than the real McCoy.

Re:Aww, too bad, go fuck yourself, 'kay? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43522597)

Man, wouldn't it be great if only "remotely competent" people ever voted or anything like that!

Re:Aww, too bad, go fuck yourself, 'kay? (1)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43522647)

It would be quite wonderful, as we'd have a much better signal to noise ratio in the political system. However, while I understand that some people are always going to be gullible, you have to draw the line somewhere. If you cater your standards to the lowest common denominator, all that will happen is that we'll engineer a better moron that requires even lower standards.

TAILS OS - do you use it? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522043)

TAILS OS - do you use it? Anon needs help to improve it.

New Anonymous project to curb Tails privacy/security issues!

Tails - new unofficial project to nip the buds

(Please see the .onion link at the bottom of this article for where to respond and help this project with your suggestions. Please do not post at the Tails forums, Tor mailing lists, or in IRC - we are only checking the existing thread at the .onion location below, which requires Tor to access.)

In a few areas of the Tails Forums, (one example below) Tails users have posted about certain 'data collection, logging, debugging, Whisperback', and other issues a distro such as Tails should not include!

I am working on a project which will stop this type of collection and it will be free and released with each new version of Tails (it won't be included with the Tails distro or worked on by Tails/Tor developers) â" matching any changes the Tails team may make to try and obscure these data logging/collection activities between versions.

Here is one example post from a concerned user (post exists now, could be deleted later!):

Why does Tails log too much? .recently-used.xbel
https://tails.boum.org/forum/Why_does_Tails_log_too_much__63___.recen%E2%80%8Btly-used.xbel/ [boum.org]

#

An example of this is this hidden file: .recently-used.xbel located in amnesia folder. To see, open Home/amnesia, press Cntrl+h, look for that file. The contents of that file logs recently used programs and files with names and timestamps.

There are many other logs for different activities and events, a simple look around can locate these.

Caching thumbnails, recent documents, terminal command history and the similar..

Why would Tails need to log all these things during the session?

Some are useful for bug reporting, but many other arent and are widely revealing of system activities.

Yes, a restart will wipe everything, but what about while in the session?

Can an option be made for Tails to be log free or normal where the user can choose between the two? Like run log free and if a problem occurs to re-run tails with logs to identify the problem.â

#

There are debugging scripts, Whisperback, a script to drop all firewall protection, and much more in Tails.

I need more information from Tails users (Tails developers and those pretending not to be Tails developers posting against this will be ignored) before the first release is announced.

Boot into Tails and examine every nook and cranny and post about any file(s) with full path, which contain anything related to logging (excluding /var/log directories â" those will be dealt with) and/or sending of individual personal data.

On their mailing list they even had the balls to discuss whether or not they should add the package 'popcon'!

This project will be developed by an anonymous user (not included in the well known 'Anonymous' group). I will not reveal usernames from posters here, but I may credit this forum with each release with thanks for the help.

So boot into the most recent release of Tails, sniff around as much as possible, and post back juicy information to the thread in 'NEWS': http://clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion/ [clsvtzwzdgzkjda7.onion]

Thank you.

The Social Network? (1)

HeLLaCooL75 (608002) | about a year ago | (#43522065)

Nelson: "...People you are speaking to need to know that they have your undivided attention..."
Zuckerberg: ".. you have part of my attention..."

Sorry, we're supposed to be mad? (2)

nanotech (34819) | about a year ago | (#43522209)

Mad because a government official cannot wield undue influence over the global, borderless Internet?

Facebook treats all their users like shit, no reason this guy should be special. I agree it sucks for him, but it sucks just as much for the 13 year old whose classmates put up pages mocking him. I don't think you want it to be otherwise. Ideally they would always "do the right thing" but at least they are consistent in ignoring their users and don't play favourites.

Re:Sorry, we're supposed to be mad? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43522615)

We should be mad. Not because of who it is happening to this time but because it happens and they don't take as seriously as they should for anyone unless they're best pals with someone high up. This guy clearly wasn't high up enough to merit looking into. I deplore this sort of behavior. It reeks of the same crap you can find yourself in trouble with Google on YouTube. Whether or not your demerits or concerns are warranted or not, good luck ever getting the issue resolved with anyone at Google over it. Too much trust is placed in automated systems and it can really wreck someones livelihood should some kinks find their way to the surface.

Former almost nobody - now is nobody (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43522221)

Brendan Nelson is somewhat of a melodramatic idiot - known for such things as pretending to the press that he got into some life threatening situation when he was given a ride in a air force fighter jet - a pile of bullshit designed to inflate his ego at the expense of making the a pilot look incompetent.

He made some very stupid choices as Australian defence minister against advice and they look very much like they were made to lick the boots of some corrupt people in the USA mixed up with defence contracts. The sea sprites were reconditioned Vietnam era helicopters (thus 40+ year old airframes), and none of them made it to sea after hundreds of millions were spent in the years before the project was scrapped. The torpedoes didn't fit our subs (thus an expensive modification was needed) and were no longer manufactured (with no plans to ever make another compatible with the launch equipment) - how stupid is it to sign up for that? The tanks were just about only for city driving as far as Australia goes, while they can go offroad they need to be followed by large fuel tankers. The JSF sillyness, he's not the only idiot that signed up there but it's also in the long list of ignoring advice and fucking up. In short, he was a guy way out of his depth that thought he had a thing to prove by acting as if he wasn't so he ignored advice and did a lot of stupid stuff. Not as bad as Rumsfeld's first effort in a similar role in the USA (destroyed what was left of military morale after Vietnam), but bad enough.

To sum up, he was a party hack rewarded with a job he couldn't do but he did a bit of bootlicking and made a bit of noise. He would have done a lot more for his country by staying out of politics and continuing to work as a doctor instead of playing at other roles, then getting pensioned off into a petty sinecure as a diplomatic figurehead. He was no diplomat. He was a guy whose reward for making up the political numbers was an excuse to attend dinner parties in Europe while keeping somebody that could actually do it properly out of a job. There's no point trying to excuse it by saying that other parties or factions also give such rewards to useless pricks - I don't think useless cheerleaders should get such a reward either no matter what team they cheer for.

FB is Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43522369)

Come on. This is a company led by a highly manipulative narcissist and populated by same. In every aspect, from openess to transparency to honesty to *intent* this is a company that is the opposite of what the web is all about.

People still signing up for FB over the age of 18 are going to see their quiet in-the-middle-of-the-night worst case scenarios of their HIGHLY personally identifiable information being sold off to would-be employers and other gatekeepers in society and yes, you WILL be compromised and never even know its happened by the near-future blackmarket for FB data.

Legit advertising analytics on even the narrowest of demographics is going to be a commodity product ... once they know your SES status, proclivities and aspirations and how those things can be leveraged to put products you're likely to buy in front of you, there's nowhere profitable to go with all that information except personal profiles with the MOST sensitive data to the MOST motivated parties.

As an informational profile to advertisers, your data is not only highly predictable after a while but that kind of data itself "wants to be free". Everyone who wants it will be able to acquire it easily at low cost from a wide variety of sources.

But how drunk you were how often or how many BF you had or the information about you that gets tagged by all your *friends* with cams is something that FB will eventually try to monetize.

Don't worry. They'll be an update on their privacy policy page just before that happens.
 

facebook is useless (1)

zaax (637433) | about a year ago | (#43522865)

I don't see what other people see in facebook. If it's supposed to be web 2.0 it useless. The the page for my club does not show the diary (whats on) that can find. The android facebook app does not work, everytime you search it clears the search box so you have to type it in again. The only thing I find as useful is the messegange service
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