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Israel Airport Security Allowed To Read Tourists' Email

samzenpus posted about a year and a half ago | from the lets-have-a-look dept.

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wiredmikey writes "Israeli security officials at Ben Gurion airport are legally allowed to demand access to tourists' email accounts and deny them entry if they refuse, the country's top legal official said on Wednesday. Details of the policy were laid out by Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein in a written response to the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), the group said in a statement. 'In a response dated April 24, 2013, the attorney general's office confirmed this practice,' ACRI said, quoting sections of the document which said it was only done in exceptional cases where 'relevant suspicious signs' were evident and only done with the tourist's 'consent'. 'Allowing security agents to take such invasive measures at their own discretion and on the basis of such flimsy "consent" is not befitting of a democracy,' commented Lila Margalit from ACRI."

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My house, my rules (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541825)

Israel has every right to require you show just cause why they should let you in. Just like the US has that same right.

You have no right to enter a country of which you are not a citizen, and they can deny you entry for any reason, and require whatever they want of you as a condition of entry.

That's just the way it is. Don't like it? Don't go to Israel.

Re:My house, my rules (1, Flamebait)

slashdyke (873156) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541855)

That is part of why I avoid travelling to the US. Their house, their rules, not for me thanks.

Re:My house, my rules (0)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541939)

That is part of why I avoid travelling to the US. Their house, their rules, not for me thanks.

But that's every country on Earth.

Do you know a country where they don't play by their own rules?

Re:My house, my rules (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541967)

The USA is but one of many that doesn't play by its own rules. The US government quite blatantly violates its country's constitution, after all.

Re:My house, my rules (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542105)

Rules are always made to benefit those making them. When those rules no longer benefit the rule-makers, they change the rules. Every government in the world follows that basic principle.

Re:My house, my rules (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542579)

In defense of the US, at least the government still pretends to follow its own rules where it thinks it might get caught and it could cause a stink, costing someone (or several or many someones) reelection, etc. This provides a lot more stability than many governments do. In America, it's actually possible to go your entire life without having to bribe anyone, for example. Living somewhere where they at least pretend to care about civil liberties, etc. is better than living somewhere where they don't even bother to pretend, which explains in large measure why so many people came here, still come here, and why so many stay who could leave.

Being able to leave, coincidentally, is another nice feature of our system. If I want to travel abroad, I don't have to SNEAK AWAY. Can the prisoners... er... 'citizens' of every other country say that? Also, for all the other countries whose citizens CAN, in fact say that, how many might have more repressive governments than they do were it not for America's influence? Historically, this long-suffering and oft derided nation has been responsible for a lot of freedom beyond its borders, thank you very much you fnck!ng ingrates.

For example, if you live in France, and you enjoy not speaking German, (or if you live anywhere in Europe, for that matter, and enjoy not being required to speak German...) you're welcome. If you live anywhere in Asia, and enjoy not having to speak Japanese, if only to ask your masters for water, or for them not to whip you so hard... you're welcome. Has everything this nation done been good, and on the up and up? Of course not - but on balance, if we're not the best, when it comes to civil rights, and being a great place to live, raise a family, etc., then we're certainly near the top of the list, regardless of how some one or more groups who have had the temerity to presume to rate and rank various places' worth, generally by criteria that necessarily skew the results one way or another.

Did we perhaps get overzealous recently? That's probably fair to say. Have some of our policies, foreign and domestic benefited the rich at the expense of everyone else? Clearly. Does that make the entire nation a benighted sh!+hole worthy only of scorn? Hardly. If anything, it underlines the point that people should give a lot more thought to how, and for whom they vote, and less time worrying about whether the people have (D) or (R) after their names, or how slick their hair is, or how menacing they make the notion of their opponents' victories seem in advertising, because most, if not all of the horrible things this country has done, looking back, can ultimately be attributed to a careless, negligent, uninformed, and/or easily frightened or manipulated, apathetic electorate.

The fix for this is simple, though far from easy. Education. Without education, we're doomed. Now if you'll pardon me, I'm going to go read.

Re:My house, my rules (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542509)

The USA lost its political sovereignty in 1974 when capital controls were removed allowing foreign investment and thus influencing of internal affairs.

Re:My house, my rules (4, Insightful)

joe_frisch (1366229) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542049)

The point is to decide which rules you are willing to accept. I will not enter a country that might ask for access to my private accounts, assuming that I can verify that this is really the case.

Re:My house, my rules (1)

Alex Zepeda (10955) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542163)

Somalia?

Is Isreal some small town in the US? (0)

Technician (215283) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542015)

What does Isreal's policy have to do with flying to the US? I suppose if you are from Isreal, and returning, you may be deported from your home country. Where would you go?

Personally, I have several email accounts. Not all of them are accessable from the web outside the office. One of them is used only for sailsmen, scam baits, web page registrations, and other junk. I have NO texting on my phone, so it has NO email.

Private personal email is just that, private.

Re:Is Isreal some small town in the US? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542109)

It's Israel, you dumb fuck.

Re:Is Isreal some small town in the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542257)

Israel gets a lot more attention from political forces in the US than most small towns.

It gets a lot more attention than most big cities within the US also.

Re:Is Isreal some small town in the US? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542433)

the u.s. is home to about as many jewish people as israel itself.. so here, anyway, things in israel *are* news.

Re:My house, my rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542321)

Damn you're stupid

Wow. Impressive. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542403)

You do know what country Ben Gurion airport is in, right? Despite what you may have heard, Israel != The United States. This means if you never travel to or through or even over or near the US, you could STILL end up going through BG, and be subject to this pointless bit of security theater. Did you even read the article?

Also... on the subject of security theater, since I now know about this, all it means is I must set up a dummy e-mail account to "hand-over" to authorities next time I pass through Ben Gurion (which coincidentally will be just a week or two after NEVER.) They can check THAT e-mail all they want. The only step beyond what any prudent person takes when traveling with a computer nowadays is to delete all cookies, etc., or IMAP or POP configurations, so the machine can't tell them anything about your REAL e-mail account no matter what they ask.

In fact, I would, if I traveled regularly, have a travel machine that booted off a stick, maybe even had no HDD, and never use it to process any info I consider private or sensitive. It seems this is just common sense today. As for the stick, I'd have that concealed somewhere they wouldn't find it.

Re:My house, my rules (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541935)

The question isn't whether they can require something; but whether they are showing good taste by doing so.

Given that nation states exist largely in a state of nature unless they piss off enough members of the security council, what they can do is a very broad category indeed. That, however, makes judging them on what they do choose to do rather easier...

Re:My house, my rules (5, Insightful)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542095)

IMHO Israel is not worried about what's in good taste and is more worried about national security from countries that have stated in no uncertain terms that Israel should be wiped off the map.

Re:My house, my rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542245)

Damn right. We can worry about freedom, liberty, privacy and other such trivial matters when we have no enemies left to fight.

Re:My house, my rules (4, Interesting)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542467)

Their airport security works, and the environment is hostile, so I can't blame them much for their airport interview techniques. In 1996, I was consulting for an electronics company in Haifa, where I wrote a technology mapper for digital logic. At the exit interview, the security guy wanted to understand exactly what it was I was doing in Israel, and he almost made me miss my plane. He just couldn't figure out what the heck I was paid to do no matter how I explained it. No biggie. I have a Palestinian friend who tells me about having to go through cavity searches to get on a plane. Their methods violate privacy big time, but it works.

If we want to pick on Israel, I think pointing out that 45 years of brutal occupation of the West Bank isn't cool. I can let the airport thing slide.

Re:My house, my rules (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542035)

Israel has every right to require you show just cause why they should let you in. Just like the US has that same right.

Israel has no rights, nor does the US. Rights belong to people, not governments. Governments have powers, and to say that no government should have this particular power is right, proper, and objectively correct.

Re:My house, my rules (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542597)

eh.... why do you suddenly have the right to enter any country you please regardless of the conditions of entry?

Re:My house, my rules (-1, Troll)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542193)

Sure, you always have the option to decline, and, of course, waste your air-fare and any deposits you have paid for your trip. And you can take comfort in the knowledge that the Jews are such good and honest people and would never abuse this to the detriment of their victims, err, I mean visitors. And we can take comfort in knowing that any enemy of Israel are just too stupid to have multiple email accounts, so that they could give the people who demand access the "safe" account and go about their business safely. People should just accept this when they get there and are greeted this way.

Throw away email account (1)

slashdyke (873156) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541847)

I guess that might be a good reason to have a throw away email account. They want to read your email, well, sure officer, here you go. mydummyaccount@gmail.com and my password. Have fun with it.

Re:Throw away email account (2)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541905)

"It looks like this email account only has a month of history. Please follow me into this private discussion room."

Re:Throw away email account (2)

slashdyke (873156) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541917)

I've got a 'junk' email account that has been active for about 4 years now. That would work as a throw away account.

Re:Throw away email account (1)

gatkinso (15975) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541985)

Your spam reveals a lot more than you think.

Re:Throw away email account (1)

Cwix (1671282) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542061)

For the most part it shows I shop online lol. Newegg spams me constantly.

Re:Throw away email account (2)

flargleblarg (685368) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542147)

Doubtful that NewEgg is spamming you. If you've purchased things there, then what they're sending you is targeted marketing, not spam. Spam is random garbage. You can opt out of NewEgg mailings; you cannot opt out of spam.

Re:Throw away email account (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542175)

NewEgg shill.

Re:Throw away email account (0)

Cwix (1671282) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542359)

Spam as in email I did not request, do not want, and will not read, sent rather often to many different people who are in the same situation.

Frankly I do not care if it is "target advertising" it is spam in my book.

If I purchase something from a mail order catalog, and they insist upon sending me a postcard 4 to 5 times a week can I not call it junk mail?

Re:Throw away email account (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542361)

Unwanted, unsolicited content I can opt out of is still unwanted, unsolicited content.

So. Spam, I says.

Re:Throw away email account (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542185)

For the most part it shows I shop online lol. Newegg spams me constantly.

Newegg doesn't spam you because you have given them permission to send you emails, when you create an account they aren't even on by default, you have to select the option to get them. You simply did not select the option in your account to not receive emails about specials and offers. I would hardly call 3 emails a week at the most spam.

I bet you would subscribe to a news paper and then claim they are spamming you. Retard.

Re:Throw away email account (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542027)

Discuss away. Your call. It's your country. Feel free to refuse me admittance and send me back home for not giving you permission to scan and archive all my e-mail going back potentially for years. I guess you'll have to decide how much you really want my tourism dollars. You can make it clear to me that my "refusal will be taken into consideration along with other relevant factors, in deciding whether to allow [me] entry to Israel", and I'll take the potential for this unreasonable request into consideration when deciding to go to Israel as a tourist (or any other capacity) in the first place.

It's a pretty fair deal. You might make a request, I say "no" if you do ask, you judge accordingly, and so do I. But in the ideal case I just don't go, and you can simply enjoy the lower tourism revenue your decision will cause.

Re:Throw away email account (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542457)

We are not desperate for your tourist dollars. If you have what to hide from the security, your dollars may come with a price tag too high indeed.
If you do not want to cooperate with the security, please spend your tourist dollars elsewhere.

Re:Throw away email account (2)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542485)

Yeah! If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, right?

Re:Throw away email account (1)

safetyinnumbers (1770570) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542037)

Does anyone else remember the days of POP3, when most of your email would be stored in a PC on your desk at home?

Re:Throw away email account (2)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542137)

And still is thank you very much. Why people insist on leaving mail on insecure servers I dont know, not to mention that the govt (US at least) feels no problem about reading anything 6 months or older. And the IRS... well they'll start with that email that just showed up 5 minutes ago.

Re:Throw away email account (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542325)

And still is thank you very much. Why people insist on leaving mail on insecure servers I dont know, not to mention that the govt (US at least) feels no problem about reading anything 6 months or older. And the IRS... well they'll start with that email that just showed up 5 minutes ago.

Your countries tax department reads peoples email?

Re:Throw away email account (3, Insightful)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542563)

Did you notice how Google seems incapable of providing any sort of encryption feature? I can't even digitally sign gmail. Secure communication with their servers has been there from the beginning, yet somehow Google doesn't have the technical prowess to incorporate a bit of GPG? If you think Google just finds it too hard to offer public key encryption with their email, I've got a bridge in Alaska you might want to invest in. Someone from the government has spooked them into keeping everything in plain text.

Re:Throw away email account (1)

tftp (111690) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542301)

"It looks like this email account only has a month of history. Please follow me into this private discussion room."

Sir, I did create this account just before coming to your wonderful country. It was created *specifically* so that I can use it here. After I'm back home it will be deleted. I always do that when I travel. Only my family knows this email account, and I don't plan to use it for anything except daily emails about my health and my plans. Nobody else needs to know it; I'm on vacation, and the work doesn't exist for me now. But if you are curious, my work email is stored in my permanent email account, that is on a server that is physically located at my office.

If you want, I can tell you the password to my permanent email account. But it will not do you any good because the IMAP server is accessible only from my office and from my home. I don't have the USB token with me anyway, and it's required to connect.

Re:Throw away email account (3, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541909)

It might also be a good reason not to visit a country. Of course, if all countries keep heading towards police states like they seem to be currently, it won't really matter where you go. Goodbye privacy, "papers please".

Of course. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541849)

Border guards of pretty much any country can deny you entry (or exit) for pretty much any reason at all. If you abhor this practice, you can vote with your dollars by not visiting that country.

I haven't visited the U.S. since 2001, which is about when their war-on-tourrists seems to have begun.

Re:Of course. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542079)

I haven't visited the U.S. since 2001, which is about when their war-on-tourrists seems to have begun.

Don't miss ya, sweetie.

Foreign visitors to U.S. hit record in 2011 [reuters.com]

Jews (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541871)

Perhaps they want to steal your bitcoin, or as it's known in Israel, bitshekels.

Or maybe they want to steal whatever water your email account may have access to, in much the same way that covetous Jews steal water from Palestine.

All we can be sure of is that these scheming Jews are up to no good.

Re:Jews (3, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541919)

... or, you could be a racist douche-bag. The possibilities are endless.

Re:Jews (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541969)

You're so far behind, man. It's like you're a relic from the 90s.

Re:Jews (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542189)

Otr he could be an antisemitic, funny how Arabs and Jews are the most Antisemtic peoples I have ever met.

Re:Jews (1)

chilvence (1210312) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542241)

Huh. I thought we bombed enough nazi's into the stone age. I guess next on the agenda is more bombing of nazi's, who would have guessed? Always hard to deal with single issue political parties....

Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0, Flamebait)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541889)

To generate some sense of outrage against Israel and Jews for doing something that every other country on the planet does - except they do it better than anyone.

I feel safer walking down the street in Tel Aviv than I do walking down the street in Detroit.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (5, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541943)

To generate some sense of outrage against Israel and Jews for doing something that every other country on the planet does

Citation needed. What other counties demand access to tourists' e-mail? And outrage against Israel's human rights crimes is not "anti-semitic" or "outrage against Jews". Anyone with a lick of sense is tired of Israel playing the victim card.

I feel safer walking down the street in Tel Aviv than I do walking down the street in Detroit.

Damning with faint praise, there. And if you're Jewish, that's like a white person in 1965 talking about how safe he felt in Alabama, Bloody Sunday [wikipedia.org] be damned.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (-1, Flamebait)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542101)

Damning with faint praise, there. And if you're Jewish, that's like a white person in 1965 talking about how safe he felt in Alabama

Well, it's Israel, Jews are supposed to feel safe there. That's sorta the whole point. Unfortunately, bigots like you have done everything they can to allow Muslims into Israel so they can commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians. And as for the moronic comparison to 1965 Alabama, no. There is no comparison there. Give it up.

You tell him! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542215)

Unfortunately, bigots like you have done everything they can to allow Muslims into Israel so they can commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

You tell him! I got a problem with people like him too!

There are two kinds of people I hate in this World:

People who are intolerant of other people's culture and the Dutch.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542251)

I'm Jewish but I'm still trying to process your response... maybe Slashdot can help me.

Unfortunately, bigots like you...

The parent did a good job differentiating condemnation of Jews and the state of Israel's actions. There is a massive difference between the two. Even then, let's say that there wasn't a difference. In the United States, we value the freedom of speech which includes the freedom to offend. We critique and criticize Christians and Muslims all the time. Is any of that Christianphobia and Islamophobia? Sure. Is it all Christianphobia and Islamophobia? No. We also criticize our own government. Does that make us America Haters? No. Criticism and critiques come with nuance. Jumping to the extreme shows a fragile nature.

...have done everything they can to allow Muslims into Israel...

Last I checked, plenty of Muslims have lived in that area. The expulsion of non-Jews from Israel either through constant terrorism or other forms of force is well documented. Denying Palestinians (Muslims and Christians alike) the right to return to their homes is a policy that hawks and right-wing fanatics in Israel's government (and Slashdot commentators) gets them slobbering at the mouth in glee. It doesn't make it right. Your comment is starting to become offensive at this point.

...so [Muslims] can commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians.

Do you believe Muslims alone commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians? Or do you believe that all Muslims commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians? The reality is Israelis, and by extension Jews, commit plenty of terrorist attacks against Palestinians and Muslims. The fact that it is sanctioned by the government by people in soldiers doesn't make it just. Also, the fact that settlers commit terrorist attacks against Palestinians and Muslims while kicking them out of their land doesn't make it just. Your comment has crossed the line to offensive at this point.

And as for the moronic comparison to 1965 Alabama, no. There is no comparison there. Give it up.

The parallels are appropriate. Right-wing/militant Israelis and their sympathizers would love nothing more than to claim offense at the comparisons to the pre-civil rights era of the United States and Apartheid South Africa but there is no better description. Don't shut down honest discussion on this topic but using accusations of "antisemitism" or "bigotry."

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542599)

Oh Please! The fact that you responded with a rational and well thought disputation just shows that you're just a self-hating Jew [wikipedia.org]

Never underestimate the power of name calling and ad hominem !

:-P

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542271)

Anti-Muslim sentiment while calling someone else a bigot.

Bigots didn't let Muslims into Israel. As is typically the case with idiots like yourself, you seem to lack a basic understanding of history. They were already there!

That's right! Muslims were living on the land that is now Israel before Israel existed! OMG! mindblown.gif

Can we be done with these insane ideals now? Believing in figments of the imagination conjured up by a long dead people is just sad.

The inclination of these groups to spread fear, ignorance and oppress others is getting old. Thankfully studies are beginning to show that, globally, belief in this nonsense is fading. Good riddance, you crazy bastards.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542291)

Anyone who disagrees with anything Israel has ever done or is doing is a bigot and hates Jews.

Well, it's Israel, Jews are supposed to feel safe there.

If measures like this make anyone feel safe, then he/she is merely an imbecile. Why do countries want such idiotic security theater? This is something I'd expect from the TSA.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (1)

theVarangian (1948970) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542461)

To generate some sense of outrage against Israel and Jews for doing something that every other country on the planet does

Citation needed. What other counties demand access to tourists' e-mail?

North Korea?

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542583)

I'm a bit surprised at the allegations for critizing this; if I wanted to hear really controversial opinions about Israel, I'd ask some people I know from college,in particular I'm thinking of the Isreali citizens I met there. Granted, it always easier to accept criticism from within, but I think it really demonstrates there are valid opinions which disagree with some of the decisions Israel has made.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (1, Flamebait)

realityimpaired (1668397) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542039)

Israel does a pretty good job of generating anti-Israel sentiment on its own, really... at least among anybody who's actually seen the numbers for the death toll in their war in Gaza...

That doesn't mean anti-semitism or anti-jew sentiment (there is a difference between the two), but it does mean that the state of Israel isn't exactly a good neighbour....

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (0)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542097)

That's because Tell Aviv is owned by Americans from the Atlantic board,
while Detroit is ..., well just middle America.

Re:Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542219)

Article has Anti-Semitic Purpose. Well, yea, and it is also completely true. Perhaps the truth is Anti-Semitic. Shame on you for pointing that out.

Twitter (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541895)

This is why I do all my confidential corporate communication via Twitter and Slashdot postings.

Re:Twitter (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542217)

Funny, but insightful. Typical email is almost the same thing security-wise. As with everything else on the internet, if it's private and you insist on sending it or storing it, make damn sure it's well encrypted.

Whats email grandad, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43541921)

What about those of us that left email behind long ago, just after we taught our grandparents to use it.

At the point that the government requires data retention of a means of communication its time to move on.

Pointless (4, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541947)

This is a stupid policy because anyone intent on doing harm will just set up a dummy account full of fluffy happy mail to show to airport security. Basically the only outcome of this policy is to deny entry to people who are not a threat.

Re:Pointless (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542495)

My guess would be that they don't widely deploy this for exactly this reason. But if someone on their terror watch list forgets about this headline and they get flagged for "enhanced" security they'll "wipe down" their laptop behind the white wall and in the process go to your history and download your email before returning it without making much of a fuss.

Consent or get back on that airplane! (1, Insightful)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43541977)

Consent, eh? Really?
-- Consent, or get back on that airplane!
-- Consent, or get into that jail!
-- (DUI checkpoint, consensual, of course) : consent, or give up your driving privileges, and line up over there for your breathalyser test!
-- (Border patrol checkpoint, right outside San Onofre Nuke plant, on I-5 north bound and southbound, about 50 miles NORTH of the California-BajaCalifornia USA-Mexico) border -- consent or step out of the car please
-- (Watertown MA, search for a terrorist, where did I misplace those 4th amendment rights, weren't they here just yesterday?) -- we're coming into your house NOW, consent or we're pulling you out anyway and we've got automatic weapons, so consent NOW!
-- (DUI checkpoint) -- roll down your windows and answer these questions, with your CONSENT! Hey, don't make a u-turn, we'll chase you DOWN for not CONSENTING to this intrusive non-probable-cause DUI checkpoint!!!
.
I musta signed that consent during that EULA as I was coming out of the womb, yeah, that must have been when I consented to all of this crap...

Re:Consent or get back on that airplane! (1)

tftp (111690) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542045)

we're coming into your house NOW, consent or we're pulling you out anyway and we've got automatic weapons, so consent NOW!

I wonder who they got consent from to search an empty residence?

If there is no response then the searchers have to operate on a theory that (a) there is nobody there, or (b) there are terrorists inside. If the police is thinking logically, all [suposedly] empty houses must be entered as hostile places - with doors blown out, and with a flashbang grenade thrown into each room before entering.

Re:Consent or get back on that airplane! (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542425)

Flying is a privileged activity. You have no right to fly.

Driving is a privileged activity. You have no right to drive.

Any time you partake in a privileged activity such as flying or driving, you give your implied consent to whatever conditions are attached to that privilege. It just so happens that implied consent to search is a condition of both flying and driving.

And yes, any officer who stops you can search your car if they stopped you for violating a traffic law. It's called search incident to an arrest - and a traffic stop is an arrest (because an arrest occurs the moment a reasonable person believes they are not free to leave). They try to get consent because it makes convicting you easier, but they do not need it.

Constitutional protections do not apply when you are engaged in a privileged activity, and there is over a century of case law that says so.

Re:Consent or get back on that airplane! (1)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542551)

Living in a particular city is a privileged activity. The constitution doesn't apply! Don't like it? Move.

Any time you partake in a privileged activity such as flying or driving, you give your implied consent to whatever conditions are attached to that privilege.

Just because I want to get on a plane doesn't mean that I have given the TSA consent to harass me. If I wish to get on a plane, it is the government's problem if they send thugs to harass me and force me to consent to certain conditions (with them possibly resorting to violence if I resist) before they'll let me on the plane.

Yes, none of this 'logic' is exploitable at all. By moving to or living in city X, you have implicitly given away all of your rights! You have the option to move elsewhere, so it's all okay!

Constitutional protections do not apply when you are engaged in a privileged activity, and there is over a century of case law that says so.

The constitution just flies out the window because a few judges who couldn't care less about freedom supposedly think that people don't deserve rights when trying to get on a plane and think that it's perfectly okay for government thugs to harass people who wish to do so. Right.

That said, I don't think you had to make that comment, did you? Constitutional protections do not apply when you are engaged in a privileged activity, and your comment just happened to offend me. You'd better hope some random judge doesn't decide that the first amendment no longer applies.

Re:Consent or get back on that airplane! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542589)

Physical presence in a jurisdiction IS consent to the laws that govern said jurisdiction, unless you are a diplomat or an invading force.

No good and then some . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542001)

Sometimes i wonder if the Israeli State forgot the lessons of world war 2 .
Sad to say , but i believe they forgot. There's no excuse to invade tourist's privacy .
And puh-lease none of that " we need to protect ourselves " bullshit.
Spying on human rights activists and stepping on human rights is no concern to them.

The Israeli State has become the enemy of it's own People.
I got no sympathy left for the Israeli State and government , at all.
Their people gets screwed just like we do , and that is terrible for a people that suffered so much .
I do make a distinction between the State and the People. Great people . Sad State.

Re:No good and then some . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542353)

Would that be the lesson on how to pull off the greatest lie to fool the world in the history of the human race? Because I believe they are still rather good at that one.

Don't worry folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542033)

This will be coming to America soon.
 
The one party system has 300+ million willing slaves who won't lift a finger for anything less than instant gratification. Ideas of civil liberties and human rights are passing by the wayside and there isn't a damn thing the new power elite will let you do about it.

Re:Don't worry folks (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542259)

This will be coming to America soon.

What do you mean "SOON"?

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/may/18/no-warrant-needed-search-laptops-phones-border-cro/ [kpbs.org]

The 9Th Circuit ruled this unconstitutional [washingtontimes.com] , but for now that only applies to the 9th. Other circuits may make other rulings.

Duh (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542077)

I wonder if people realize that to enter US you need a Tourist Visa (except if you are from approx. 17 states that are exempt).
To obtain a Tourist Visa, you need to prove your "residential ties" to the country of origin, which include your bank account statements, your apartment lease, etc.
On top of that you are finger printed on entry.

And If you think US is bad then try entering Switzerland if you are not from EU, US and a few other countries.

Re:Duh (2)

jonfr (888673) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542285)

Here are the requirement for tourist visa for Switzerland if you are not from EFTA/EU+Schengen area. They are extremely strict and troublesome.

http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/eur/vgeo/ref_visinf/visgeo/toutif.html [admin.ch]

But this is nothing compared to going to Falkland Islands. They have rather strict measurements there too. Even worse then Switzerland.

http://www.falklandislands.com/product.php/36/17/visas [falklandislands.com]

Re:Duh (1)

mrbester (200927) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542429)

The last time a bunch of people popped by the Falklands unannounced they weren't tourists...

What if you say you do not have an email address? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542103)

Will they lock you up in an attempt at avoiding giving them access, even if you legitimately do not have one?

Big Israeli brother is watching.

Hmmm.... (5, Informative)

dskoll (99328) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542113)

I traveled through Ben Gurion airport in 2011 and I have to say, I found the security there a lot less invasive and arbitrary than security at US airports. They didn't make me take off my shoes or walk through a body scanner. And they didn't confiscate my bottle of water.

What they did do was actually spend time talking to me and watching me. I think the security there is really security, not security theatre.

As for demanding to read your email, that's probably crossing the line. I likely would have refused. But really, it's no worse than the US which can confiscate your laptop at the airport and go through all your files.

Re:Hmmm.... (3, Insightful)

BoRegardless (721219) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542487)

"What they did do was actually spend time talking to me and watching me."

Israeli security are trained heavily in how to watch, talk to, ask questions, banter, and totally focus on all reactions from the traveler to see any signs of tenseness, irritation or unusual reactions, however slight. These guys are true pros and not the wimpy minimum wage TSA types (yeah I know they make more than minimum wages).

Re:Hmmm.... (4, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542547)

I traveled through Ben Gurion airport in 2011 and I have to say, I found the security there a lot less invasive and arbitrary than security at US airports. They didn't make me take off my shoes or walk through a body scanner. And they didn't confiscate my bottle of water.

Israeli airport security is different from American security in one crucial way: they profile passengers.
So if you found their security less invasive, it's most likely because you don't have the wrong name/skin color/country of origin/family background.

Re:Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542567)

And my Jew girlfriend with family in Israel gets harassed by the Israeli border guards like nothing else, asking all these asshole questions. When they part her down, they put their hand in the top inch or two of her underwear.

Re:Hmmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542595)

But really, it's no worse than the US which can confiscate your laptop at the airport and go through all your files.

Oh, I almost forgot that as long as a country isn't the most Fascist on Earth they're okay.

If you call the US embassy about this (5, Interesting)

purnima (243606) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542157)

they ask you about your religion and tell you that in any case Israel is able to access your gmail account without your password, because they 7h3y RUL3.

See The U.S. Government Wanted to Know: Am I Jewish" [dailykos.com]

"This is the conversation I recall having with Chris Kain at the US Embassy in Tel Aviv by telephone:"

CK: Hello. I got your number from ___. You are being questioned by the Israeli authorities, I understand.
ST: They are threatening to deny me entry and to deport me.
CK: Are you Jewish?
ST: No
CK: Have you been in contact with the Israeli government or military in the past?
ST: No
CK: Have you been here before?
ST: Yes, several times. I am a Palestinian with family in the West Bank.
CK: Oh, you have family in the West Bank. Then there is nothing I can do to help you. In fact, if I interceded on your behalf, it will hurt your case with the Israelis.
ST: I don't understand. You are saying you can't speak with them. You have no influence. They are demanding to access my gmail account.
CK: If they have your gmail address, they can get in without your password.
ST: What do you mean? How?
CK: They're good!
ST: This is crazy. You mean you know about these requests to access emails and you have no problem with it.
CK: It is in our travel warning. They won't harm you. You will be sent home on the next flight out.I hope I have been of good service to you.
ST: Frankly, you have done nothing for me.
CK: Well at least you can say I did it kindly.

Re:If you call the US embassy about this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542435)

Noone wants u dirty palestinians in their country.
Not israel, not usa, not egypt, not jordan.
Ppl like to blame israel for displacing palestinians.
But the reality is that jews were there first, and they got displaced.
Thousand yrs or more before islam even existed.
Muslims are a bunch of playa haters that all they can do is talk sh1t, but are worthless in reality.
If it wasnt for oil, those dirty muslims wouldnt have any power at all.
Also, they like to rewrite history any way they see fit.
And if any of ur muzzie brothers (countries) actually cared about u, they would take u in with open arms.
But reality is, noone likes palestinians, and noone wants them dumbasses in their countries.
They only reason anyone takes up their cause, is because for watever retarded reasons, they hate jews/israel more.
U are bitching about letting them look at ur emails. Who cares. The US gov't probably looks at it constantly and corporations as well.
Believe me, u can trust Israeli gov't a hell of alot more than u can trust the US gov't, and waaaay more than u can trust a corporate entity.
Honestly, I am all for deporting every muslim from non-muslim countries, to mecca, then NUKING MECCA with hydrogen bombs!
Theres enough religious morons, dont need muslims to top the cake.
If u wana do ur muslim crap, do it in a muslim country, cuz noone else likes that sh1t.
Those ppl are the most dirty annoying ppl on the planet.

HasH @ trypnet.net

Re:If you call the US embassy about this (2)

PhamNguyen (2695929) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542449)

Those statements by Chris Kain sound anti-semitic: asking if the guy is Jewish and implying the the Israelis have magical powers to hack email addresses.

Re:If you call the US embassy about this (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542493)

double heresay!

This is an "as I remember it" story being recounted, and the bolded portions are heresay to begin with.

Worse, the whole story is told with an agenda. The person was trying to enter israel to get to the west bank, and couldn't satisfy the border agency's suspicions that he was there for reasons other than what he claimed, so he was questioned and put on a plane to where he came from.

Sure, I'll cooperate, they can have the... (1)

heretic108 (454817) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542199)

...credentials to my Mailinator account :P

Good luck with that. (3, Insightful)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542207)

I use Thunderbird to POP my mail down to my local desktop at home. The server copy is *not* retained. Furthermore, I don't even know my ISP mail and Gmail passwords off hand - they're stored in my local mail client, which, as I mentioned, is a desktop at home.

Re:Good luck with that. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542313)

Have fun being waterboarded while you try to convince the judenswine that you 'forgot' your password.

Re:Good luck with that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542573)

If they believe they have reason to demand your email history, they're suspicious of you. If you give them an empty account or refuse, you don't enter the country.

You have the right to refuse. They have the right to refuse entry.

Israeli Airport Security (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542261)

They routinely take your laptops and make the backup and give it back to you. Please don't go to Israel with your laptops or any data that you want to protect. Sanitize your email accounts (esp with respect to commercial information where you are bidding against an Israeli company) and then visit the place. The people and the country are a complete delight in surprising contrast to the airport experience. Please take an informed decision.

Re:Israeli Airport Security (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542389)

Buhahaha! Truecrypt to the rescue. Sure guys, have all the copies you want! I've already started keeping my laptop "clean" in all unencrypted areas because of travel to areas that don't like porn (some have a very strict definition of it - one nipple and you're done there.). I felt it was important to seem to have a working laptop without needing truecrypt to mount anything. Once I was concerned enough to remove truecrypt so they wouldn't even have that clue. Kindda sucks but you can get a fresh copy later.

Cry me a river (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542383)

Whine all you want, but more than happy to help these guys. They have:

* A legitimate reason for increased security. They're under far more serious security threats (and frequency) than the US and Europe.
* A better security record (% of attacks foiled) using far less money
* Real security at airports and malls, unlike the security theater going on elsewhere in the world.

Trust me, if they ever get to the point of asking for your email they have flagged multiple levels of suspicious behavior. I have been traveling there for years and their security is *far* less intrusive than the US and Europe. Personally I wish them all the best. They're the only country in the entire world that is actually winning against Islamic terrorism. That's most than most countries can say.

Re:Cry me a river (2, Insightful)

cheekyjohnson (1873388) | about a year and a half ago | (#43542585)

* A legitimate reason for increased security.

I believe there are few legitimate reasons for wanting to violate people's privacy or freedoms in the name of security, and the fact that there may be real threats does not matter to me. If the TSA was actually anything other than security theater, I'd still be against it completely.

Fuck Israel (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542517)

The sooner it ceases to exist, the better, for the vast majority of
people in the world.

They murdered Rachel Corrie, and that makes them as despicable
as the Nazis they despise.

Like I said, fuck Israel.

Re:Fuck Israel (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43542607)

Welcome to the American Left - Tolerance for all. Hahahahahahaha

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