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Ubuntu Releases 13.04, Sticks To 6-Month Release Rhythm

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the 'cause-that's-how-they-roll-or-rather-don't dept.

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Barence writes "Ubuntu has shelved the idea of moving to rolling releases, and will continue to release a new version every six months. Earlier this year, Ubuntu developers discussed the idea of moving to rolling releases, with new features added to the OS as and when they were ready. However, In an interview with PC Pro, Canonical CEO Jane Silber said the developers had taken a 'cold, hard look at our long-standing practices' and decided to stay with twice-yearly releases. It has, however, cut support on non-LTS releases from 18 to nine months." Today, the Ubuntu team have released the latest iteration of Ubuntu, 13.04 ("Raring Ringtail"), along with variants like Kubuntu 13.04.

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let me be the first to say (-1, Troll)

FudRucker (866063) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546101)

NO THANKS! i dont want ubunpoop's Spyware

Re:let me be the first to say (4, Informative)

ebrandsberg (75344) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546225)

then disable sending your queries to remote sources. Yes, it is enabled by default, but no, you don't have to use it. I disabled it as soon as I typed in "jockey" to find the additional drivers tool in 12.10, and got ads for underware. Yea. No.

Re:let me be the first to say (5, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546333)

again, no thanks, there are too many other distros just as easy and just as good that does not need to have the spam/spyware removed, it is a good thing Richard Stallman is still alive or he would be turning over in his grave

Re:let me be the first to say (1)

synapse7 (1075571) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546401)

So my kids machine has ubuntu.. how would one go about disabling this?

ehh I think I also have a laptop with xubuntu.

Re:let me be the first to say (5, Informative)

meza (414214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546529)

I did just did that, as a response to reading this thread.

Open the Systems Settings (called gnome-control-center if you want to run it from a terminal)
Click Privacy
In the first tab "Search results" disable "Include online search results" and "Record Activity"

Re:let me be the first to say (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547005)

Ubuntu £inux is making America go broke. Ubuntu's philosophy of openness is a lie because they steal your information and sell it to the Amazon and NSA agents who use it to profile you. To what end nobody knows. Microsoft has tried to prevent Ubuntu from creating the first serious monopoly in computing history but anti trust laws have proven noneffective against the Ubuntu juggernaut. It won't be long until the Canonical tax drives the cost of computers through the roof so only the rich can afford one. Did you know that Ubuntu can't run the hit release Aliens: Colonial Marines? This is a serious offense because Ubuntu could kill the video game industry causing millions to lose jobs. All that in the name of communism. Rest assured that Canonical is no hippie paradise: their phones will contain black ops NSA tracking ribbons that can geolocate you without electricity anywhere in the world, the same technology used to track $20 bills. Some speculate the NSA works for Canonical, but there is no proof. But you have to ask the question.

Re:let me be the first to say (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547127)

Looks like electric cars are depriving u of cheap lithium.

Re:let me be the first to say (1)

RevSpaminator (1419557) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547683)

What do you know about fluoridation?

Re:let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547523)

Yes, it is enabled by default

That's the whole damn problem.

People shouldn't have to search for various settings and tweak them in order to achieve a reasonable level of privacy.

The GP calls it "spyware", and I think that's a reasonable word for it.

Re:let me be the first to say (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546773)

Really? "Ubunpoop"? That's seriously where you're going with that one?

*sigh* Another immature, 12-year-old nail in the coffin of the real world ever taking the nerd world seriously.

Next release codename? (5, Informative)

snarfies (115214) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546115)

Might I suggest "Simpering Spyware?"

I for one dropped Ubuntu over that (and Unity)... yeah, I know its removable, not the point.

Re:Next release codename? (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546283)

Do you know if any of the popular Ubuntu derivatives like Mint are including the spyware junk, or is that exclusive to Ubuntu and Unity?

Re:Next release codename? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546513)

Kubuntu doesn't. As a bonus, it has KDE.

Re:Next release codename? (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546633)

Kubuntu basically just gives you something else as the default. It's the same distro.

Re:Next release codename? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546973)

Kubuntu basically just gives you something else as the default. It's the same distro.

Care to go into detail? I've used Kubuntu regularly for years (currently using 12.10), and I've never seen any manner of distro-enforced spyware or a content store they're trying to push.

Same with Xubuntu on workstations at work. Clean, simple, no Unity, no Ubuntu content store, no nothing like that.

Re:Next release codename? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547483)

If you install unity on Kubuntu you get the same crap as the normal Ubuntu.

Re:Next release codename? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547569)

Enable the canonical repo (it's there but disabled in your sources list) and you are free to install it if you wish.

Re:Next release codename? (5, Informative)

Straker Skunk (16970) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546549)

I think the spyware has been a radioactive enough issue that any derivatives are going to make a point of cutting it out.

That said, I don't see the need. As much as I don't like what Ubuntu did with the shopping lens, I've long switched to Xubuntu anyway, which is more sanely managed. (The original reason was to get away from Unity, and their avoidance of subsequent Canonical brain damage cemented the deal.)

Significantly, when you use [KX]ubuntu, you still benefit from all the release engineering work of Ubuntu proper, including security updates---a point on which I'm a little more wary of derivatives like Mint.

Re:Next release codename? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546735)

People complain about the spyware in the lenses, but the lenses only work when you use Dash, so it's not all the time. You need to remove zeitgeist to eliminiate the pervasive spyware, also whoopsie to be safe.

whitelists, not blacklists (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546757)

I think the spyware has been a radioactive enough issue that any derivatives are going to make a point of cutting it out.

A good distribution will be based on good thinking. And the right way to approach the problem is to ask: what users are asking for spyware?

The answer is: none.

If the answer had been yes, then the next question would be: which of their use cases are addressed by the spyware?

The answer would still be: none.

Windows and Mac OS X are places where decisions to oppose the interests of users, are weighed based on how "radioactive" it is, where all strategies are variations on the theme: to exactly what level should our conflict with our users should be escalated? Tuning that level of conflict escalation, is what these companies do. It is why they exist. That is how Apple decides whether or not to release the iNextThing.

That Ubuntu transition to there, starting from Debian (where strategies are optimized to maximize totally different values), is amazing.

Re:whitelists, not blacklists (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547627)

And the right way to approach the problem is to ask: what users are asking for spyware?

The answer is: none.

If the answer had been yes, then the next question would be: Dammit, Kosh, we're trying to get work done here!

FTFY

Yay! (4, Insightful)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546127)

It's been very nice to follow Ubuntu. Few other distributions have been better at making Linux available for so many. Congratulation Ubuntu. Well done!

Re:Yay! (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546173)

It *had* been nice to follow Ubuntu.

Re:Yay! (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546287)

I'm not saying that I especially like Ubuntu, but overall I like what they are doing. It has clearly been more successful than most others in getting Linux to people's desktop.

Re:Yay! (5, Funny)

r33per (585447) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546509)

I'm not saying that I especially like Ubuntu, but overall I like what they are doing. It has clearly been more successful than most others in getting Linux to people's desktop.

Maybe this is the year.

Re:Yay! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547335)

So you can't conceive others might have a different opinion than you?

Re:Yay! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546337)

They made the right decision on this one. The rolling release strategy is interesting, but mainly for hobbyists. If they want their OS to be taken seriously in a production environment, they need official, thoroughly-tested, supported releases.

Re:Yay! (3, Informative)

MrBandersnatch (544818) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546361)

You mean like their https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS [ubuntu.com] versions?

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546479)

Well, if they continue to provide official (LTS) releases while keeping the development branch on a rolling release, then it's not really a "rolling release distro" (like Arch). It would be a hybrid. A true rolling release distro doesn't provide official releases.

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546477)

I think rolling releases works much better than 6 months releases. And cutting LTS down to 9 months is just tragic in that regard.

Re:Yay! (1)

Ignacio (1465) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547069)

Non-LTS. But it's still shorter than other distributions.

Re:Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547135)

I think rolling releases works much better than 6 months releases. And cutting LTS down to 9 months is just tragic in that regard.

RTFS fail.

It has, however, cut support on non-LTS releases from 18 to nine months.

Re:Yay! (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547021)

Not that I disagree with you (because I don't)- but isn't Microsoft going with rolling releases on "Windows Blue"?

Using Mint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546141)

I'm braced for impact.

nope (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546165)

With the 12.* releases I saw loads go up to 10+ loads after I upgraded my laptop from 11.

It was... *trumpets please* zeitgeist going nuts at random intervals.

Sorry Ubuntu... no more. Ubuntu-based, yeah I'll still go for that, but for me the everyday version if the distro is history. I need an OS, not a advertisement engine.

Seed the Torrents! (5, Insightful)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546291)

Even if you don't use Ubuntu, seed the torrents for a few hours. It is one way we can all contribute to Open Source - no dev skills, documentation skills, etc. required!

Re:Seed the Torrents! (4, Funny)

Nyder (754090) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546489)

Even if you don't use Ubuntu, seed the torrents for a few hours. It is one way we can all contribute to Open Source - no dev skills, documentation skills, etc. required!

So, you are telling me to waste my bandwidth, downloading something I don't want, just to help others out? Socialist.

Re:Seed the Torrents! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546505)

Seed even if we don't use Ubuntu? To seed the torrents, we first have to download it - and that means we have to have a negative contribution on the torrents before we can have a positive one! And for popular torrents, the speed issues are often the worst when the torrent first comes out, rather than later on. I'm not entirely sure that more people rushing to torrent it faster would have a net positive contribution, even if they seed it afterwards.

Mostly, more seeders are needed for the kinds of torrents that *aren't* seeded a whole lot. Usually, it's some obscure pirated album/game/anime that hardly anyone knows about. Ubuntu is popular enough not to have this issue.

My train of thought may be completely off, so please correct me if I'm the real idiot here.

Re:Seed the Torrents! (2)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546713)

ubuntu is too cheap of a for profit company developing behind closed doors to rent couple of seedboxes, while I can download debian from a hundred different 100mbit ftp's?

anyways, just this week shuttelworth admitted that no matter if it's ready or not they will do the release! can't get on board with that.

So when is it finished ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546295)

Software is engineering, so when will they solve the problem ? at what point do they say "finished" ?

Re:So when is it finished ? (4, Interesting)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546375)

Software is engineering, so when will they solve the problem ? at what point do they say "finished" ?

It is finished once bug number one has been resolved.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 [launchpad.net]

Re:So when is it finished ? (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546867)

Software is engineering,

Bullshit, it's alchemy. Half of the software engineers are meeting with their covens and trying to transmute lead into gold.

Is anyone still using Ubuntu ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546347)

Really, everyone I know dropped it like a hot potato when they forced that dreadful unity crap on people. All the folks round here are using Mint these days.

Re:Is anyone still using Ubuntu ? (2)

Tool Man (9826) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547145)

I was using Mint 13 for a good while, and loving it, but have now switched over to the newest Mint LMDE version. This is based on Debian's testing respository, not Ubuntu, so is more of a rolling update model. This puts me back to an improved version of what I had with my old stock-Debian desktop, having added some "just works" niceties from Mint.

Re:Is anyone still using Ubuntu ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547345)

So you don't know that many people then.

LTS - 9 months (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546349)

Surely they should call it STS instead. This will move will kill Ubuntu in the enterprise sector. 9 months is a fucking joke.

Re:LTS - 9 months (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546405)

Slashdot: Where arrogant morons who can't read summaries complain about nonexistent things.

Here's a hint: They haven't changed the support time for LTS releases.

Re:LTS - 9 months (2)

feld (980784) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546409)

NON-LTS releases. As in "releases that are not LTS are now limited to 9 months".

Re:LTS - 9 months (1)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546423)

13.04 is not an LTS.

Re:LTS - 9 months (0)

brainstem (519778) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546431)

Please re-read the top of this page. NON-LTS is 9 months. LTS support is the same as it's been.

Re:LTS - 9 months (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547365)

Furthermore, 12.04 is the first LTS to be supported for 5 years instead of the former 3 years.

Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now. (4, Insightful)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546389)

I for one don't like a lot of change. Esp. when I have to change every nine months, and accept whatever change comes up. I got 10.04 running really nicely on an old computer, and I was happy. Esp. when I read about Unity (and now that I've tried Unity, I have to say I'll stick with Gnome).

And now 12.04 is almost setup perfectly (a few issues I'm working on, I'll get there), and I'm not aiming on changing for years.

One reason is that once something is working, I know it is working. But, if I have to update, it's likely to break something. Whether I do a fresh install or not.

Cheers.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546521)

Try UbuntuGnome...

It's gnome without unity's spy hounds.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (1)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546527)

Honest question then. Why are you using Ubuntu? I can't think of a distro that changes more with the exception of Arch. Why not go with Cent or Scientific and have a more stable setup with fewer changes? Or better yet, go with FreeBSD or PC-BSD and have an even more stable setup. Even plain old Debian will do a better job of it.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (1)

kernelpanicked (882802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546609)

No kidding. Not to mention, that now that they've ironed out some of the bugs in the current Unity, the plan is to completely rewrite it in Qt/QML, and this release is only supported for 9 months. This is pretty much the most pointless release of Ubuntu to date.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (5, Insightful)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546989)

Let me list the ways:
1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").
2) I really like apt-get.
3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).
4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.
5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (4, Informative)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547065)

1) Debian was too much work (Ubuntu, an African word meaning "I couldn't get Debian to work properly").

I've installed Debian. I really don't see how it's "more work" than Ubuntu. It's like three mouse clicks and some typing and you get a fully functional gnome desktop.

2) I really like apt-get.

Available on Debian. Not seeing your point. There are better package managers out there now too, like Pacman and RPM has leapfrogged deb in recent years in my opinion.

3) Ubuntu works (mostly, after some fiddling).

This totally negates your first point. Debian and others work after some fiddling too. You're just fucking lazy.

4) The LTS won't change much and so is going to be stable.

Ubuntu's LTS changes a thousand times more than Debian or even FreeBSD does.

5) Fuck RPM. Also, Emacs sucks, and so does your haircut.

Yeah, fuck delta updates and a sane package manager. Emacs does suck, yes. I shave my head, not sure if that is a haircut or a lack of hair altogether.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (1)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547401)

Debian can get in the way of easily installing some proprietary stuff and, also, because it focuses on stability, it might make you impatient if you're expecting packaging of new versions of software.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547555)

You're just fucking lazy.

I get basically the same desktop either way but Debian requires more fucking around and I have to add third party repositories to get decent video card drivers, codecs and font rendering. Debian also doesn't include decent app armor profiles and most packages aren't even compiled with stack protection and PIE.

Get over it. There's a reason why Google and most tech companies go with Ubuntu over Debian.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547219)

Ubuntu started as a Debian derivative.

1. No comment, but I haven't had much trouble installing and configuring linux, though X back in the 90's on slackware was a bit troublesome.
2. Debian created apt & apt-get.
3. Debian works, actually the big reason I switched to Debian is because it works well and handles upgrades nicely.
4. Debian stable is more stable, and supported for a longer time.
5. That isn't a reason

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (1)

Splab (574204) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546555)

Why the heck are you complaining? It's the non LTS that is getting cut in half, if you don't want to upgrade to latest and greatest, stick with LTS and you will be fine for a long long time!

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546963)

I'm not complaining. I'm stating the fact that I'm going to be sticking with the LTS, because it doesn't change. That's not a complaint. Honestly...

Posting anonymously as there is no tick box to post without karma bonus. Wait, you won't see this if it's anonymous will you... Ah, fuck it.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546675)

I am pretty much in the same boat. I really like 12.04, it does what I want, it's really stable. I'll probably stick with it until 14.04 comes out next year. The LTS releases are what keeps me on Ubuntu. Let the beta testers play with 13.04.

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547579)

How do you reconcile the fact that there is no Debian-style security team keeping multiverse/universe safe?

Re:Thanks Ubuntu, but I'll stay with 12.04 for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546943)

Then use the LTS release and stick with it, you don't have to follow the 6 months cycle!

That's exactly what the LTS is for : Long Term Support, and the 12.04LTS is supported for 5 years (even on desktop).

Summary: "I'm an LTS user." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547193)

Summary: "I'm an LTS user."

Good for you. Me too. But why say it so long-windedly?

Rolling out bugs every 6 months. (2)

bio_end_io_t (2771123) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546397)

So far, the only review I've read about Ubuntu 13.04 said that promised features such as more customizable privacy settings and Smart Scopes didn't make it into the release because they were too buggy. It's just too amusing to have read that review the day after I read an article about how Ubuntu is ditching the rolling release model. Guess Ubuntu users will have to wait until October.

Other amusing features in 13.04: a button that shows the desktop, and a workspace switcher (disabled by default) that lets you know which workspace you're currently using. Wow, Ubuntu. Unity is on pace to have all the desktop features that Gnome 2 and Xfce have had for years by 2016.

Re:Rolling out bugs every 6 months. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546487)

Wow, Ubuntu. Unity is on pace to have all the desktop features that Gnome 2 and Xfce have had for years by 2016.

Yeah but in Gnome, they didn't have integrated features to send your usage statistics and online presence to Amazon. Let's think about the bottom line here, guy!

Hmm .. This release... (1)

AdmV0rl0n (98366) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546411)

Just has a bad feeling... starting with the name.

Raring Ringtail is just too close to Raring Ring Piece... and for some reason has me thinking of a bad night on the curry. I really hope they use better names in future..

Re:Hmm .. This release... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546857)

Too funny. I about spit up my coffee upon reading this. Reminds me of the scene from Trainspotting where Renton was desperately trying to find a free toilet...

Highlights included in this release, for the lazy (4, Informative)

LordNicholas (2174126) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546417)

Biggest client updates:

-UbuntuGnome (featuring Gnome 3.6 by default) is now an official flavor

-Unity 7

-LibreOffice 4

-Improved support for CUPS

-Software Updater simplified

-Friends service replaces Gwibber

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (1)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546589)

-Unity 7

Is it just me or is Unity progressing in version numbers faster than Firefox? I'll wait til tomorrow for Unity 8.

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (1)

Patch86 (1465427) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547075)

Did you use any of the early versions? They needed to make a lot of fixes, and fast!

Actually, I did just look this up- this is already the 5th version of Ubuntu to ship with Unity, so even progressing at just one version number at each release, this would still be up to 5. That makes me feel like time is moving too fast, and I want to get off.

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (1)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547147)

Yeah, I think i've tested every version since the Ubuntu Netbook remix days. I've never settled on Unity as an actual day to day desktop though. It's just too foreign to me.

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (1)

robmv (855035) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546593)

I used to use Gwibber on Fedora until the developers started to believe the hype of NoSQL databases and had the non great idea to use the CouchDB as the backend database, never tried it again when they switched the default to SQLite. Lets see if the "Friends service" is another monster or something light

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547063)

-Improved support for CUPS

so there's a Unity button to open the CD tray?

Re:Highlights included in this release, for the la (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547505)

Also includes broken Cinnamon packages by default

Better distro's out there (2, Interesting)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546451)

Just off the top of my head and in no particular order:

openSUSE
Sabayon
Fedora 19 (when it comes out)
Mint
Manjaro

All of the above will get you nearly the same hardware support and often a better desktop experience. Manjaro is an up and comer based on Arch, still has some bugs. Sabayon, based on Gentoo is actually pretty damn good now. The others have been great for a while. I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

Re:Better distro's out there (2)

r33per (585447) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546533)

I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

Steam?

Re:Better distro's out there (4, Informative)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546575)

Steam works on non-ubuntu distros. In fact it's even bundled with Manjaro

Re:Better distro's out there (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547115)

The Arch wiki includes a long list of bugs related to Steam games and most of them are not present on Ubuntu. Valve tests on Ubuntu and they don't give a shit about bugs and library issues caused by running unsupported distributions.

Re:Better distro's out there (1)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547179)

Then Valve is going to lose out on Linux because most people are moving away from Ubuntu, not toward it. Personally I couldn't give a shit less. I've never used steam and I grew up a long time ago, I don't play games anymore. All you kiddies that care though should write to Valve and explain they are making a mistake going with a distro that refuses to work properly with the rest of the community.

Re:Better distro's out there (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547421)

That's funny, son. I guarantee I'm older than you, as are the majority of my friends, and we're all pretty avid gamers.

Your choice of hobby has nothing to do with your age. Apparently you didn't grow up as much as you thought.

Re:Better distro's out there (1)

kernelpanicked (882802) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546643)

Works perfect on both OpenSUSE and Fedora. I'm assuming the same is true of Mint since it's Ubuntu based. I hear it's no big deal to get it running on Arch as well. It's not like Ubuntu has a lock on Steam or anything.

Re:Better distro's out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546629)

openSUSE and Mint I can see as viable Ubuntu alternatives right out of the gate. Fedora not unless you enable third-party repos, and then it still has a "trapped" feel to it. Sabayon is still too out there. Manjaro is too new and doesn't have the weight of a huge community, which is precisely the reason Ubuntu gets the love/hate it does: big community. Some will love it no matter what, while others will hate the changes to what they perceive as changing "their" OS. I can see both sides and agree with both sides. And I don't suffer from cognitive dissonance...
 

Re:Better distro's out there (1)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546677)

Manjaro is just Arch with a better installer. To that end, it has a pretty big community as it's fully compatible with the Arch repos and Aur. You should try the latest Sabayon. It's pretty damned mature now. openSUSE however is probably the best candidate.

Re:Better distro's out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547189)

I'm interested in what you mean by "trapped" feeling of Fedora. I've been using Fedora since FC5, and I've never felt trapped, though I may have been the frog in the heating water.

Once I enable rpmfusion and steam repo, I really don't have any issues.

Re:Better distro's out there (3, Insightful)

Nemyst (1383049) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546689)

Perhaps because, if it weren't for Ubuntu, all those distros wouldn't have access to many things Ubuntu has done, like Steam or better drivers from hardware makers. Like it or not, Ubuntu's reach has caused many software developers to take note and port just a bit more to Linux. Just for that, even if you don't like their practices, you should at least acknowledge them and thank them.

In many ways, I see Ubuntu and Mozilla in similar positions. Not the latest fad, but always there to provide a balance.

Re:Better distro's out there (3, Insightful)

geek (5680) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546789)

Red Hat's contribution far out weighs Ubuntu's. I also hardly think Steam came because of Ubuntu. Steam came because of Microsoft. Ubuntu just happened to be the flavor of the month. If not Ubuntu it would have been openSUSE or something else.

Re:Better distro's out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547287)

RedHat doesn't give a shit about consumer desktops and Fedora is barely worth mentioning. Fedora is so bad that even Linus and Alan Cox abandoned it...

Re:Better distro's out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547311)

Uh, mint is the Ubuntu distro. It's a shell replacement, right?

I'm not fond of Unity, but switch to XFCE or Gnome made me happy

Re:Better distro's out there (2)

Isaac Remuant (1891806) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547433)

The others have been great for a while. I honestly don't understand why people are so hung up on Ubuntu, it doesn't offer anything the other distros don't.

The same can be said about ANY other distro.

Arch is awesome but I wouldn't recommend it to newcomers. I would recommend Mint or Ubuntu for them though. So far, Ubuntu is visually very pleasing and its default state is usually preferred by new people (over Mint).

Loving the Haters (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43546691)

Look, say what you will about Unity and the spyware and tie-ins to advertising. I'll probably agree with most of what you say.

But you all act like THAT'S ALL THAT UBUNTU IS.

First of all, Canonical has built a stable, reliable platform with wide 3rd party software vendor support. This is something to be admired and respected.

Second, ALL of the UI changes and tie-ins that people are complaining about are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL.

It's as if these folks have never heard of the netboot minimal CD. You do realize you can choose to install whatever desktop GUI you want, right? And never even install Unity in the first place, right?

OK OK bitch and moan about Mir - it was in my opinion a good decision to allow for easier access to OpenGL, which is being used more and more in end-user UIs. And besides - you don't have to use it.

For Desktop users, I still recommend Mint, but let's not all bash on Ubuntu and pretend like it's some Apple-like walled garden that forces its corporate partners on you. If all you know how to do is download the standard ISO and install, then you get what you pay for (NOTHING). If you take the time to actually KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING, you can avoid these things completely and wind up with a much more customized and personal system.

Just my 2.

Re:Loving the Haters (1)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547587)

Second, ALL of the UI changes and tie-ins that people are complaining about are COMPLETELY OPTIONAL.

Yeah, you can run XFCE instead.

Buf if you're going to do that, why would you run Ubuntu, rather than a distro that comes with a sane UI in the first place?

new feature: shortened support (4, Interesting)

sshir (623215) | about a year and a half ago | (#43546885)

Good reason to skip this (13.04) version: It forces your hand on 13.10.
I.e. you'll have to upgrade to 13.10 after that no matter what. And if, god forbid, you'll have a hardware compatibility problem in 13.10 - you'll be screwed.

On another hand, if you're on on 12.10 now - you have the option to what till 14.04

Re:new feature: shortened support (3, Informative)

3vi1 (544505) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547275)

No, you won't have to upgrade to 13.10 "no matter what". The recommended way to do upgrades is to always go to the next version (as that's what gets the majority of testing), but 13.04 makes no major changes (like replacing upstart) that would prevent it from directly upgrading to anything to which 12.04 or other recent versions could directly upgrade.

You won't 'be screwed" if you have hardware compatibility problems in 13.10; you simply boot an older kernel (since that's where the hardware drivers are). I've done it with several previous alphas - but users are unlikely to discover major problems by the time it gets to a final release. I already have one system using the 13.10 (saucy) repos now (though they have no updates beyond what's in the raring repos). Expect me and the others that enjoy the bleeding edge to find/report the problems so that you don't have to.

I'm not sure why any of this would be an issue anyway: When the OS keeps all your app settings in /home (which you should put on a separate partition), complete re-installs of newer/older versions take no more time than the upgrades.

I like Unity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43547001)

It's a nice blend of my favourite features of OS X and Windows.
The only thing I might use otherwise is Elementary OS' DE, but the lack of a global menu bar kills it for me.

We hate success! (4, Insightful)

sgage (109086) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547117)

Let's just face it, here in Linux Land, if any distro achieves a measure of success, we just hate it! It is as night follows day.

The majority of the hate-posts here betray a deep lack of knowledge of what's going on with Ubuntu. All they know is that it's cool to hate Ubuntu, good for your geek cred.

This is nothing new with Ubuntu - it's been true since the dawn of Linux and distros. I'm not sure why it is, but it's appears to be some basic human social-driven flaw.

Ubuntu has done a helluva lot for Linux, and people who don't understand that haven't been using Linux for very long. They claim to want Linux to "succeed", but as soon as it begins to, they pile on. Because it's not exactly what THEY want. It's pathetic, disgusting, and discouraging.

Re:We hate success! (4, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43547553)

I'm not sure why this is modded 'insightful'.

People used to love Ubuntu, because it was Linux that 'just worked'. It was only when Ubuntu pushed Unity and other such nonsense that we all started switching to saner distros and stopped recommending Ubuntu to our non-techie friends.

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