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Paul Thurrot Predicts November Debut, $500 Tag For Xbox 720

timothy posted about a year ago | from the luckily-not-one-of-my-needs dept.

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New submitter inkribbon writes that Microsoft blogger Paul Thurrott has now predicted that Microsoft's Xbox 720 console will actually hit the market this November. Thurrott offers a mix of what he considers cold, known facts and "clearly identified conjecture" about the upcoming device. Important to users is this confidently offered claim about the price: "Microsoft will initially offer two pricing models for the console: a standalone version for $499 and a $299 version that requires a two-year Xbox LIVE Gold commitment at an expected price of $10 per month."

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wow, the economy must be getting a lot stronger (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556161)

$499 for a foist pwost?!!

News? (0, Offtopic)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43556167)

Since when is Paul Thurrot's click bait that even he doesn't believe "news" or "stuff that matters"?

Re:News? (-1, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43556475)

ACs don't bother. You're filtered. I don't even know you're there.

I wish I could filter out trolls and flaimbait like you as well!

Re:News? (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43557185)

If you were better with technology, you could.

Re:News? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557241)

A spell checker could fliter out you.

XBox Infinity (4, Insightful)

gameboyhippo (827141) | about a year ago | (#43556255)

I see what Microsoft did there. Instead of doubling 360 to 720, they've doubled o to oo. When put together, it looks like infinity.

Re:XBox Infinity (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43556567)

And doubled the cost of Live, apparently.

Re:XBox Infinity (3, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | about a year ago | (#43556901)

And doubled the cost of Live, apparently.

Only for the subsidized price. You can buy a 360 the same way already -- $99 instead of $299. You pay $10 more a month for Live, so you're basically paying $40 to finance it for two years.

Re:XBox Infinity (1)

Lanforod (1344011) | about a year ago | (#43557139)

Do your math again. Using your numbers for a 360, if XBox Live is normally $5/mo, that's $120 for 2 years. Total cost of a 360 unsubsidized would be 120 + 299, or $419. A subsidized one would be $240 for two years + 99 = $339. So why choose an unsubsidized one if you're getting Live anyways?

For a 720, the numbers are similar, if they are correct as reported by the summary. $499 + 120 = $619 or 299 + 240 = $539.

Only question is - if you choose a subsidized model - what is the cost of XBox Live Gold after the two years are up? Is it 5, or 10?

I hope not. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556263)

$120 for a year of xbox live? 2X price increase for what, more DRM? Really?

Like cell phone contracts (3, Funny)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556325)

It's the same reason that a smartphone costs $99 with a contract or $499 without: part of the price of service covers the subsidizes the hardware.

Re:Like cell phone contracts (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43556791)

So which console is T-mobile?
I want to buy the device outright and pay as little for service as possible. So far the PS no price for network service seems OK.

Re:Like cell phone contracts (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556993)

So which console is T-mobile?

PC, be it on a desk or behind the TV.

Re:Like cell phone contracts (1)

Golddess (1361003) | about a year ago | (#43556797)

So the question now is, what will xbox live cost those that buy the $500 version? If it is the same $40-$60 that it costs today, then for those who buy the $300 version, will their xbox live cost drop after 2 years? If so, then for anyone who was planning on getting xbox live anyway, it'd make sense to go with the $300 version, assuming everything else about the versions is equal.

$500 + ($40 * 2) = $580
$300 + ($10 * 24) = $540

Re:Like cell phone contracts (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43556821)

Based on the life expectancy of early 360s I would not bet on the 720s living that long out of the gate.

Might as well get the cheap unit over and over.

Re:I hope not. (3, Informative)

ThinkWeak (958195) | about a year ago | (#43556449)

Here's the thing, they haven't released any details on the $299 version. If it is the exact same machine as the $499 version, you would be better off to buy it and get locked into the 2 years of Xbox Live at $10 per month. Why? simple math:

$499 + 2 * $55 per year for Xbox Live = $609 2 year cost of ownership
vs
$299 + 2 * $120 per year for Xbox Live = $539 2 year cost of ownership

I imagine the discounted one won't come with a Hard Drive, or a Kinect Sensor, or controller or something else to offset it. But all things being equal... it's a cheaper route to go.

Re:I hope not. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43556847)

Assuming they live 3 years though, you now tied, and at 4 years paying up front pays off.

Again I doubt the early units will last that long, based on what we saw with early 360s.

Re:I hope not. (2)

cybertears (778765) | about a year ago | (#43557117)

After the initial two year contract, couldn't I just pay for a yearly XBL subscription?

Re:I hope not. (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43557181)

I would assume you would be locked into the higher price for the life of the console.

Re:I hope not. (1)

Synerg1y (2169962) | about a year ago | (#43556925)

Ya, they really didn't think this one through did they? You're right though they have plenty of room to dumb it down and remove features, but of course I'd rather not have to worry about that and just decide it based on membership fees, no ands. Besides, like 70% of the xbox experience is on xbox live, so it's not like people are not going to get it.

Re:I hope not. (1)

Stuarticus (1205322) | about a year ago | (#43557103)

There may even be an attempt to to make this more appealing by bumping the price of Live, it's been static for a while and no doubt with all the "wonderful new features" (always online hell) they'll be looking to charge more. Make the console look cheap while getting you used to paying $10 a month. They're doing you a favour! They may struggle to sell this to existing xbox customers so I predict a new level, Xbox live Platinum!

Re:I hope not. (1)

lorenlal (164133) | about a year ago | (#43556503)

12 Month membership cards can be bought for $45 (maybe less, but that seems like a reasonable price).
To play any games with anyone else, you need a gold membership, so you're getting one.
So:
$299 + $240 = $539 at the two year mark.
$499 + $90 = $589 at the two year mark.

From that point on, you're paying $45 a month regardless. So, there is a point to it if you're going to have the membership anyway. If you can get your 12 month membership for under $20, then you can get ahead.

Re:I hope not. (2, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43556863)

Or you could buy a console that does not charge you a monthly fee. Such mythical devices actually exist!

They even let you watch netflix without paying the OEM of the console.

MIssing the death blow (4, Interesting)

goombah99 (560566) | about a year ago | (#43556575)

MIcrosoft is in a great position to deal a death blow to Sony and Nintendo in the next generation console race. They have a leading system now. The demand for set-top boxes is poised to explode. And the winer gets to be position themselves as a benevolent but profitable internet TV gate keeper in a durable way. So why screw this up with a large price hurdle. This is reminds me of the overpricing mistake sony made with the blue ray system. Makes Nintendo Wii look a lot more attractive, and gives Roku and AppleTv some breathing room.

Re:MIssing the death blow (1)

LordThyGod (1465887) | about a year ago | (#43556745)

So why screw this up with a large price hurdle.

... but this is Microsoft.

Re:MIssing the death blow (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557063)

So they will definitely put themselves on death row by confirming the "always-on" rumor. It's been going on so long and is such a poisonous issue, I can't believe they wouldn't have denied it by now if it weren't true.

Re:MIssing the death blow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556825)

Overpricing mistake for blue ray? Sure they sold less consoles, but when was the last time you bought an hd-dvd? They were very successful in hedging out their competing technology.

Re:MIssing the death blow (2, Insightful)

ilguido (1704434) | about a year ago | (#43557045)

They have a leading system now.

Third out of three is "having a leading system" now? At least original Xbox was second.

I'll say the same thing I've been saying (4, Informative)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43556291)

Microsoft managed to advertise themselves out of my interest in any of their console offerings. I actually bought the first two xboxes, reliably purchased xbox live and games for the 360, but then after their choices to put more and more ads on EVERYTHING, I realized just how stupid I was being, and cut every last entertainment dollar from going to MS. I was done.

If you don't want to be exploited both coming and going, don't buy an xbox anything.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556345)

Anyone with a brain just doesn't buy consoles; they're DRM-infested garbage.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556375)

Anyone with a brain just doesn't buy consoles

So what device for playing games with gamepads does anyone with a brain buy? Not all games are suitable for touch screens.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (4, Informative)

Holi (250190) | about a year ago | (#43556419)

A PC

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (-1, Flamebait)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43556665)

A PC

You mean the console where you can't buy games, only rent them?

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556939)

A PC

You mean the console where you can't buy games, only rent them?

Really? You are saying there are ZERO games that can be bought for the PC? Or are you just being a troll?

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

ZombieBraintrust (1685608) | about a year ago | (#43557287)

A PC

You mean the console where you can't buy games, only rent them?

Really? You are saying there are ZERO games that can be bought for the PC? Or are you just being a troll?

He is not being a Troll. There is alot of DRM on PC games. Many things purchased on Steam or Origen can not be resold. I can purchase a PS3 game in a store and sell it the next day at gamestop. I purchase a PC game and there is a code in the box that ties the game to an account. All kinds of wierd DRM has been packaged with PC games. Everything from always online to rootkits.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557137)

XBox Live sure looks like monthly rent to me.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557217)

Yeah, except Live isn't required to play *any* 360 game, nor is an internet connection required for *any* game. And you can buy or sell *any* 360 game used too. When was the last time you could say all that about PC gaming?

Tried GOG? (2)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43557335)

You mean the console where you can't buy games, only rent them?

Games on GOG can be "bought" in the sense that they lack DRM measures to prevent resale, as can the vast majority of games in the Humble Bundles.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#43556435)

A PC? a Mac?
Anyways, no one should buy a system where to use basic feature you need to pay a monthly fee.

I thought PCs were for mouse and keyboard (0)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556577)

So what device for playing games with gamepads does anyone with a brain buy? Not all games are suitable for touch screens.

A PC? a Mac?

I thought PCs and Macs were for games that used a mouse. The same games that don't work well with a touch screen also probably won't work well with a mouse. When did enough PC owners or Mac owners start buying a USB gamepad or joystick to make developing and publishing a game in a gamepad-heavy genre viable? I'm aware that the Xbox 360 controller works with a PC running Windows or Linux through a dongle that connects to the USB port, but that doesn't help if almost nobody thinks to buy the dongle or to buy a wired controller.

Anyways, no one should buy a system where to use basic feature you need to pay a monthly fee.

By that standard, nobody should buy a telephone or a computer with a network card.

Re:I thought PCs were for mouse and keyboard (2)

Endo13 (1000782) | about a year ago | (#43556729)

PCs are for any kind of video game. There's some really good USB gamepads out there, and as you mentioned, people do use XBox controllers with PC. Your attempt to downplay it doesn't change the fact that it can be done and is done by gamers all the time. There are upsides to using a console for gaming instead of a PC, but the gamepad is not one of them.

Re:I thought PCs were for mouse and keyboard (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year ago | (#43556871)

There is a significant amount of PC games that support gamepads. Enough that Steam now clearly marks such games with a picture of a Logitech gamepad and a "Big Picture Friendly" type message.

Re:I thought PCs were for mouse and keyboard (1)

Radak (126696) | about a year ago | (#43557203)

Pretty much all recent PC games that can benefit from a controller can use one. I built a new PC mainly because I wanted to be able to run X-Plane 10 at a good framerate, and then when I saw how well it ran some other games, and how many now support controllers, I went out and bought a wired Xbox controller and haven't bought a single Xbox game since. My PC can run the same games faster and at higher resolution and they're often cheaper anyway.

Re:I thought PCs were for mouse and keyboard (1)

Clsid (564627) | about a year ago | (#43557331)

But if you think about it, why on earth would you want to play a FPS or an RTS with a controller when you have the best input devices for such tasks. So games that do require a gamepad like Assasin's Creed, Street Fighter IV, etc can be easily played with any gamepad controller on your PC. So I agree, the PC is the best gaming device nowadays. And let's not forget, no overpriced software titles.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43556501)

Sure is easy to live in a world where people who make [common choice] are all universally morons. It makes it trivial to be the world's only super-genius.

I originally got a console for same-couch-multiplayer, which is another thing game company greed(we can make them buy 2 copies!) has eroded to almost non-existence.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556515)

It makes it trivial to be the world's only super-genius.

I'm no super-genius, but it is indeed trivial to be more intelligent than people who support DRM.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556805)

Some of us like to work on a PC and play games elsewhere.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1, Troll)

kamapuaa (555446) | about a year ago | (#43556357)

When the console starts, you press "a" to play the game. If you put in a new game, you don't even have to do that.

You see a screen with a small ad on it, along with various other choices, for approximately half a second. It's much, much less intrusive than the ads game-makers themselves splash on the screen when you start a game, and have been doing so since the beginning of games.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (3, Interesting)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43556565)

I'm aware that I'm a bit of an extremist in this regards, but I believe advertisements to be fundamentally detrimental to society. The idea that I'd pay someone for ads offends me to no end. The fact that I could potentially limit my exposure by taking a particular course of action is not good enough.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (4, Insightful)

kamapuaa (555446) | about a year ago | (#43556769)

What about when you buy a computer, and there's ads in your webpages? Or when you buy a magazine, and there's full-page ads? Or when you buy a TV, and there's advertisements? Or when you buy a shirt, and there's a little polo player on it?

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43556899)

My fucking computer better not come with ads. Ads on webpages are clearly the fault of the website owner(and I adblock the hell out of a lot things).
I don't buy magazines with ads.
I don't watch ad-supported television(PBS: yes, netflix: sure, network/cable: never)
My shirts are all quite advertisement free.

I don't like advertisement. If it costs some website owner their living, I find it less distressing than allowing mentally draining, emotional manipulative lies to permeate my life. The are two things I can't avoid: billboards, and junk mail. At least they're static and easy to ignore.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557009)

Do any of your shirts sport ANY logo at all?

Even your car has an advertisement.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43557153)

None of my shirts do. If you want me to advertise your crap, you had better be paying me.
My car has only the OEM badge, no dealer crap.

Disc games vs. downloaded games (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556613)

When the console starts, you press "a" to play the game.

That's fine for disc games. But if you want to play a game purchased from Arcade or Indie Games, how does the console know which of your purchased downloaded games to start?

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556661)

...and have been doing so since the beginning of games.

ET the Most Hated Game on Atari didn't have any in-game advertisements, although the manual insisted that the dots were a certain shelled peanut-butter candy. Dragon Warrior on NES didn't have any advertisement, unless you count the company logo on the box and manual.

Self-advertising splash screens have been around for a while (I think the first one I noticed was on SNES), but partner-advertising splash screens are actually quite recent. In the cartridge days, no support company could afford to get their own splash screen, they might be able to get a side-logo on the pre-game menu. With the cheapness of data space that started with disc-based games, everyone and their nephew's lemonade stand can get a 4-second splash screen, and the game needs all those to run so it can actually load the main menu.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43557253)

When the console starts, you press "a" to play the game. If you put in a new game, you don't even have to do that.

After having seen ads in both the XBox home screen, and in actual games themselves, that's what prompted me to disconnect my XBox from the network. Simply starting the game doesn't stopping you from getting in-game ads and other shit.

If the next version requires a constant internet connection, I and likely many others won't buy it.

If you don't game on-line, what value does the internet requirement bring for you? It provides them with a revenue stream to sell you ads and enforce DRM, and it allows game makers to write all of these titles which you have to buy shit to actually get anywhere, but it doesn't do anything for consumers who don't need or want any of the on-line features.

TFA says this requirement isn't as draconian as it sounds, but doesn't offer anything to support that. I therefore conclude Paul Thurrott has his head up his own or Microsoft's ass, and is incapable of understanding why people do not want this.

Looks like Skyrim might be one of the last games I ever buy. For me, always-on internet equates to never-purchased console.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557357)

I love how anything but being virulently anti-Microsoft gets tagged as "troll."

Why even pretend this is a discussion when it's just a groupthink minute of hate.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

Tough Love (215404) | about a year ago | (#43556641)

I'll say the same thing I've been saying: "Big console" is done. EA's failure proves it. The growth spot of gaming is indie and mobile. AAA blockbusters will move back to the PC. Which isn't actually great news for Microsoft now that Valve has defected. Microsoft's new XBox means exactly one thing: more massive losses to pile on top of the old massive losses, still far from recouped.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43557155)

Predicting the end of console gaming has become almost as cliche as predicting the end of PC gaming.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#43556703)

This happened to me with two 'freeium' games. I happened to like the model. I would buy stuff to decorate so as to support the developers. But then ads started appearing everywhere. I can understand that for people who did not buy stuff the ads would be necessary. But for users who were contributing? Still having ads? It was insane.

I know in some ways it is like cable. You pay for the cable, but still have ads. But then that is why I think that you might as well pay for Hulu and watch when you want. Much cheaper. Unless you are into sports, which some analysis has shown is why cable rates are so high. To subsidize the cost of paying the NFL. In any case, those companies lost me. Too bad, the games were fun.

Good to know that xbox is just as bad. I was thinking about buying the console, since I was going to get live anyway. I am not going to buy a Sony since they have shown no remorse for anything they have done. Maybe get a nintendo. It was always my favorite. Wish Sega was still around.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (4, Insightful)

prelelat (201821) | about a year ago | (#43556743)

For me it wasn't that they added ads to it. It was that they charged me to use the thing online with services that I sometimes paid for, for example I have to have gold to use netflix on the xbox. Then after they made me pay to use services they didn't host themselves they went along and added ads as if to say "ok baby now just bend over over here and everyone on my team is going to have a turn." They are royally screwing with people constantly. They had better have some damn good exclusives if they are going to compete in the next generation. With PS guaranteeing no always on DRM(I'm not saying Microsoft will but they sure haven't done much to say that they aren't) and no subscription services I think it will put people over the edge.

Wish I never bought my 360.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a year ago | (#43556835)

If you don't want to be exploited both coming and going, don't buy an xbox anything.

And if you want to make absolutely certain that you never hand Microsoft another penny ever again, you need to avoid more than a few Android devices as well. :(

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43556981)

I'm not actually radically anti-microsoft. They can continue to make office software and IDEs, which they're actually pretty good at.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | about a year ago | (#43557165)

Either I'm really good at tuning out the ads or you're just really bad at it. While my preferred gaming platform is PC, I still use my PS3 and 360 and don't feel they're overburdened with ads any more than Steam or the likes. If anything it seems worse on PC.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43557225)

People who think they tune out ads are actually more influenced by them in their purchasing choices. They don't recognize the familiarity effect. I wish I could remember the marketing terminology for that so I could find some research to substantiate my claim. Working from memory here. Sorry.

Re:I'll say the same thing I've been saying (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43557355)

People who think they tune out ads are actually more influenced by them in their purchasing choices. They don't recognize the familiarity effect.

Well, purely anecdotal, but I find I'm more likely to not buy from companies who push their ads in my face.

Companies who push advertisements into my video games get a special brand of ire -- so EA are pretty high on my hit list, and Microsoft if they're going to make the next XBox require an internet connection.

$499 for a console? (4, Informative)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43556355)

i guess its back to retro PC strategy gaming for me
$499 i can buy another ipad and there some awesome games on iOS now

i was going to buy a new xbox to replace my old one, dump my PS3 which is only for blu ray and make my TV area look less cluttered. at $499 i'll just buy a blu ray player and dump the consoles

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556415)

Why would you need a second ipad to do this? I would just save myself the $499 and use my current ipad.

Also, bluray players are like $50 and inevitably will be better for just playing blu-rays.

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43556531)

2 kids and they already cracked the glass on the ipad 2 fighting over it

Re:$499 for a console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556599)

You sounds like a great parent. Teaching valuable lessons I'm sure.

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43556733)

yep

App store has lots of educational apps for reading, writing, math, colors, patterns, etc. my 5 year old can write full sentences. my 2 year old loves doing puzzles on the ipad

i was going to buy 2 ipad mini's this year and customize them for each kid, but now with all three consoles looking like crap i'll probably buy more ipads. its like the idiots running these companies make me give money to apple.

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43557195)

its like the idiots running these companies make me give money to apple.

You could always pick up a couple Nexus', give your money to the Goog instead.

Re:$499 for a console? (0)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43557329)

too bad the play store sucks compared to iOS for almost everything

educational apps for kids are better on ios
games are better on ios
tv and movies are a pain i the ass to download
music selection is better on itunes
my wife and i already have iphones which also control the apple tv which makes it easy to stream from computers without buying SAN's
apple support is a lot better. if my ipad breaks i have 10 apple stores within an hour's distance. if my nexus breaks what do i do?

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43557173)

You sound like someone who has absolutely zero experience with children.

Re:$499 for a console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556699)

So glad I'm infertile.

Re:$499 for a console? (1)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43556705)

2 kids and they already cracked the glass on the ipad 2 fighting over it

I think that would be an acceptable legal defense for some pretty heavy child abuse.

Before the iPad 2, there was the iPad 1 (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556651)

Why would you need a second ipad to do this?

That depends on what model of iPad alen already owns. How many new games are still compatible with the original iPad?

Re:Before the iPad 2, there was the iPad 1 (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43556759)

all of them

all the new stuff like real racing 3 and dungeon hunter 4 run even on the ipad 2 and look good on it

And to be honest (4, Interesting)

xQuarkDS9x (646166) | about a year ago | (#43556363)

If what I've heard and read online is true in that the 720 will not allow you to lend physical game discs to friends and family to play as well as not allowing used games to be bought and played from stores such as EB Games/Gamestop all because they want to tie down physical game discs to the first console machine its played on with some DRM garbage then I hope enough people realize to say "Screw you Microsoft" and switch to the PS4 instead which is supposed to not have DRM lockdown garbage.

No mods means DRM lockdown garbage too (1, Offtopic)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43556481)

I hope enough people [reject Xbox and] switch to the PS4 instead which is supposed to not have DRM lockdown garbage.

Will the PS4 let enthusiasts develop and self-publish games even if they happen not to live in the Austin, Boston, or Seattle area? Will it at least let licensed game developers expose a rich modding API to enthusiasts? If not, it's still "DRM lockdown garbage".

Re:And to be honest (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556997)

That is one long run-on sentence...... /offtopic

It should be pointed out that the no used games idea is not confirmed by Microsoft. It's just speculation by different writers.

http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/01/26/1829232/xbox-720-might-reject-used-games [slashdot.org]

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/xbox-720-won-t-play-used-games-says-report-1057564 [techradar.com]

(Too lazy to search for more links.)

Although I have no doubt in my mind that if M$ wanted to impliment such a DRM system, that they would do it. I don't beleve that M$ would be that dumb.

Specfificly M$ would loose out on alot gamers that way. Some people buy the games used, and some of them could not afford to play video games otherwise. Not to mention the Anti-DRM folks who won't buy the system at all if this is true. M$ *should* want to make money off of these people. If anything the fact that they have the system and some games, would promote the system to their friends / family / etc.

Also the more recent failings of DRM are still fresh in the public's mindset. M$ coming out now saying that the 720 would not allow used games, would cause a huge PR problem. Gamestop / EB Games / etc. would start a PR campaign against them, the Anti-DRM crowd would be up in arms, and the people who were burned on previous DRM schemes would be out in full force. I should not have to point out the backlash of the "#dealwithit" comments: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/05/1246233/microsoft-creative-director-doesnt-get-always-on-drm-concerns [slashdot.org]

I just don't see M$ being that stupid. Of cource time will tell if I'm dead wrong. In which case I'll second xQuarkDS9x's "Screw you Microsoft".

Not surprising. (1)

unr3a1 (1264666) | about a year ago | (#43556371)

So here begins service based computing. This is the direction Microsoft is trying to bring the computer industry, and it's all starting with the next Xbox. I know it's a futile hope, but I still hope the Xbox 720 fails, or at the least has significantly less adoption like Windows 8. This is the opportunity consumers have to try and stop Microsoft from taking computing in this direction. I doubt it will happen, but I do hope.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a year ago | (#43556471)

It started with the last xbox.

Re:Not surprising. (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43557209)

Service-based computing == separating fools from their money.

Always Connected (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556485)

This item is just bizarre:
>Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian >as many seem to believe.

If it must be connected to play local games, it's exactly as draconian as many believe. This would be a deal-breaker for me. When my Internet is down, I tend to play video games.

Re:Always Connected (1)

thomasw_lrd (1203850) | about a year ago | (#43556943)

Yeah, that's what I was scrolling down to find, someone else who RTFA. With the problems XBOX live has off and on on the weekends, I'd be pissed if I couldn't play, because the servers were down on a Saturday.

Always-On Internet (2)

Saethan (2725367) | about a year ago | (#43556491)

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

If this is true, I won't be buying it.

Always on Internet Connection (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#43556527)

Internet-connected. The next Xbox must be Internet-connected to use. This is the source of the “always on”/“always online” rumors and isn’t as Draconian as many seem to believe.

MS, the only people who don't think an always on Internet connection isn't Draconian works for you or game publishing companies. Most of your consumers think it's very Draconian.

Re:Always on Internet Connection (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#43557019)

If the next XBox must be always connected to the Internet, then it must not be purchased by me.

Fuck that noise. Consoles are supposed to be something I can fire up and play on quickly. If I have to screw around with making sure that Time Warner isn't sucking ass before it will let me at the content I've already purchased and have locally, then this is just as worthless as the DRM-riddled bullshit that EA puts out and gets burned by every single time.

Paul "Click Bait" Thurrot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556541)

From the "Deep Throat" of Dedham, Massachusetts comes Mulder and Sculleys primary source.

We all know the "Truth is Out There.." we just didn't know just 'How Far Out'.

$10 a month for Gold?!? (4, Insightful)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43556547)

So I get to pay $10 a month for the privilege of being able to pay Netflix $8 a month to watch some movies on my Xbox? No sale, chick.

Re:$10 a month for Gold?!? (1)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year ago | (#43557193)

If you're purchasing an Xbox solely as a Netflix streaming device, you're already making a huge mistake. You can buy a Roku for much cheaper.

conjecture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43556687)

At least he used some facts in making up a conjectural, speculative article. I imagine the same article gets written 100x before this thing is released.

Nope.... (1)

stink_eye (1582461) | about a year ago | (#43556713)

Note gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent at this juncture.... !/2 a grand for DRM? Forget about it! Time to break my 20 year gaming habbit. Hopefully it will be easier than my 13 year smoking habbit....

h4rr4r says October and the price will be $501 (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43556775)

H4rr4r says October and the price will be $1.

Since the judging is based on nearest to the price without going over, the odds favor him by a wide margin.

Re:h4rr4r says October and the price will be $501 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43557053)

I say $502, Bob! (Now your odds are infinitesimal compared to mine.

New Golden Age of PC Gaming (4, Interesting)

pellik (193063) | about a year ago | (#43556843)

It's my hope that the over the top DRM on consoles will push ever more people back to PC gaming. Sure there is DRM on PCs, but cracked versions inevitably turn up. http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/04/26/1318214/paul-thurrot-predicts-november-debut-500-tag-for-xbox-720#With [slashdot.org] consoles making a crack isn't so easy.

Big yawn for the 720... (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | about a year ago | (#43556977)

Why would I want to buy a 720? I don't like the idea of always-on DRM, because it adds an unnecessary point of failure to the gaming experience. Microsoft's dashboard is designed to serve ads, not to navigate around games. And I imagine it will only get worse.

At least Sony is spending a ton of money on indie game developers...MS doesn't seem to have a plan except "the same stuff, only even more customer-hostile!" I've never been so unimpressed by nextgen offerings.

Re:Big yawn for the 720... (1)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43557151)

how awesome is to to spend $499 on a console just to play the same FPS $60 games that take a day to finish and can't be sold or lent to friends?

Price (1)

Barefoot Monkey (1657313) | about a year ago | (#43557311)

So... $500 for the console, plus an optional $40 for financing plus two years LIVE Gold membership (normally priced at $120). I can see that the latter would be the obvious choice for anyone interested in the gold membership.

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