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Slashdot is being sued... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568091)

* Breaking news: corrupt Slashdot administration attempted to ban me for blowing the whistle on their illegal activities, while not banning the criminal who stalks, harasses, and impersonates me. Whistleblower abuse is a federal felony. Lunatic Slashdot admin's have been owned by me in so many tech debates over the past decade that they conspire with criminals to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts and censor me. Jealousy at it's finest.

=> Lawsuit's and criminal prosecution against Slashdot are now inevitable. Moderation+posting records will be sequestered and anyone acting aginst me will be dealt with permanently.

Previous notice:

A corrupt slashdot luser has pentrated the moderation system to downmod all my posts while impersonating me.

Nearly 330++ times that I know of @ this point for all of March/April 2013 so far, & others here have told you to stop - take the hint, lunatic (leave slashdot)...

Sorry folks - but whoever the nutjob is that's attempting to impersonate me, & upset the rest of you as well, has SERIOUS mental issues, no questions asked! I must've gotten the better of him + seriously "gotten his goat" in doing so in a technical debate & his "geek angst" @ losing to me has him doing the:


A.) $10,000 challenges, ala (where the imposter actually TRACKED + LISTED the # of times he's done this no less, & where I get the 330 or so times I noted above) -> []


B.) Reposting OLD + possibly altered models - (this I haven't checked on as to altering the veracity of the info. being changed) of posts of mine from the past here


(Albeit massively repeatedly thru all threads on /. this March/April 2013 nearly in its entirety thusfar).

* Personally, I'm surprised the moderation staff here hasn't just "blocked out" his network range yet honestly!

(They know it's NOT the same as my own as well, especially after THIS post of mine, which they CAN see the IP range I am coming out of to compare with the ac spamming troll doing the above...).


P.S.=> Again/Stressing it: NO guys - it is NOT me doing it, as I wouldn't waste that much time on such trivial b.s. like a kid might...

Plus, I only post where hosts file usage is on topic or appropriate for a solution & certainly NOT IN EVERY POST ON SLASHDOT (like the nutcase trying to "impersonate me" is doing for nearly all of March/April now, & 330++ times that I know of @ least)... apk

P.S.=> here is CORRECT host file information just to piss off the insane lunatic troll:


21++ ADVANTAGES OF CUSTOM HOSTS FILES (how/what/when/where/why):

Over AdBlock & DNS Servers ALONE 4 Security, Speed, Reliability, & Anonymity (to an extent vs. DNSBL's + DNS request logs).

1.) HOSTS files are useable for all these purposes because they are present on all Operating Systems that have a BSD based IP stack (even ANDROID) and do adblocking for ANY webbrowser, email program, etc. (any webbound program). A truly "multi-platform" UNIVERSAL solution for added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request logs + DNSBL's you feel are unjust hosts get you past/around).

2.) Adblock blocks ads? Well, not anymore & certainly not as well by default, apparently, lol - see below:

Adblock Plus To Offer 'Acceptable Ads' Option [] )

AND, in only browsers & their subprogram families (ala email like Thunderbird for FireFox/Mozilla products (use same gecko & xulrunner engines)), but not all, or, all independent email clients, like Outlook, Outlook Express, OR Window "LIVE" mail (for example(s)) - there's many more like EUDORA & others I've used over time that AdBlock just DOES NOT COVER... period.

Disclaimer: Opera now also has an AdBlock addon (now that Opera has addons above widgets), but I am not certain the same people make it as they do for FF or Chrome etc..

3.) Adblock doesn't protect email programs external to FF (non-mozilla/gecko engine based) family based wares, So AdBlock doesn't protect email programs like Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows "LIVE" mail & others like them (EUDORA etc./et al), Hosts files do. THIS IS GOOD VS. SPAM MAIL or MAILS THAT BEAR MALICIOUS SCRIPT, or, THAT POINT TO MALICIOUS SCRIPT VIA URLS etc.

4.) Adblock won't get you to your favorite sites if a DNS server goes down or is DNS-poisoned, hosts will (this leads to points 5-7 next below).

5.) Adblock doesn't allow you to hardcode in your favorite websites into it so you don't make DNS server calls and so you can avoid tracking by DNS request logs, OR make you reach them faster since you resolve host-domain names LOCALLY w/ hosts out of cached memory, hosts do ALL of those things (DNS servers are also being abused by the Chinese lately and by the Kaminsky flaw -> [] for years now). Hosts protect against those problems via hardcodes of your fav sites (you should verify against the TLD that does nothing but cache IPAddress-to-domainname/hostname resolutions ( via NSLOOKUP, PINGS (ping -a in Windows), &/or WHOIS though, regularly, so you have the correct IP & it's current)).

* NOW - Some folks MAY think that putting an IP address alone into your browser's address bar will be enough, so why bother with HOSTS, right? WRONG - Putting IP address in your browser won't always work IS WHY. Some IP adresses host several domains & need the site name to give you the right page you're after is why. So for some sites only the HOSTS file option will work!

6.) Hosts files don't eat up CPU cycles (or ELECTRICITY) like AdBlock does while it parses a webpages' content, nor as much as a DNS server does while it runs. HOSTS file are merely a FILTER for the kernel mode/PnP TCP/IP subsystem, which runs FAR FASTER & MORE EFFICIENTLY than any ring 3/rpl3/usermode app can since hosts files run in MORE EFFICIENT & FASTER Ring 0/RPL 0/Kernelmode operations acting merely as a filter for the IP stack (via the "Plug-N-Play" designed IP stack in Windows) vs. SLOWER & LESS EFFICIENT Ring 3/RPL 3/Usermode operations (which webbrowsers run in + their addons like AdBlock slow down even MORESO due to their parsing operations).

7.) HOSTS files will allow you to get to sites you like, via hardcoding your favs into a HOSTS file, FAR faster than remote DNS servers can by FAR (by saving the roundtrip inquiry time to a DNS server, typically 30-100's of ms, vs. 7-10ms HardDisk speed of access/seek + SSD seek in ns, & back to you - hosts resolutions of IP address for host-domain names is FAR faster...). Hosts are only a filter for an already fast & efficient IP stack, no more layered b.s. (remote OR local). Hosts eat less CPU, RAM, I/O in other forms, + electricity than a locally running DNS server easily, and less than a local DNS program on a single PC. Fact. Hosts are easier to setup & maintain too.

8.) AdBlock doesn't let you block out known bad sites or servers that are known to be maliciously scripted, hosts can and many reputable lists for this exist:

Spybot "Search & Destroy" IMMUNIZE feature (fortifies HOSTS files with KNOWN bad servers blocked)

And yes: Even SLASHDOT &/or The Register help!

(Via articles on security (when the source articles they use are "detailed" that is, & list the servers/sites involved in attempting to bushwhack others online that is... not ALL do!)).

2 examples thereof in the past I have used, & noted it there, are/were: [] []

9.) AdBlock & DNS servers are programs, and subject to bugs programs can get. Hosts files are merely a filter and not a program, thus not subject to bugs of the nature just discussed.

10.) HOSTS files protect you vs. DNS-poisoning &/or the Kaminsky flaw in DNS servers, and allow you to get to sites reliably vs. things like the Chinese are doing to DNS -> []

11.) HOSTS files are EASILY user controlled, obtained (for reliable ones -> [] ) & edited too, via texteditors like Windows notepad.exe or Linux nano (etc.)

12.) With Adblock you had better be able to code javascript to play with its code (to customize it better than the GUI front does @ least). With hosts you don't even need source to control it (edit, update, delete, insert of new entries via a text editor).

13.) Hosts files are easily secured via using MAC/ACL (even moreso "automagically" for Vista, 7/Server 2008 + beyond by UAC by default) &/or Read-Only attributes applied.

14.) Custom HOSTS files also speed you up, unlike anonymous proxy servers systems variations (like TOR, or other "highly anonymous" proxy server list servers typically do, in the severe speed hit they often have a cost in) either via "hardcoding" your fav. sites into your hosts file (avoids DNS servers, totally) OR blocking out adbanners - see this below for evidence of that:


US Military Blocks Websites To Free Up Bandwidth: []

(Yes, even the US Military used this type of technique... because IT WORKS! Most of what they blocked? Ad banners ala doubleclick etc.)


Adbanners slow you down & consume your bandwidth YOU pay for:



And people do NOT LIKE ads on the web:



As well as this:

Users Know Advertisers Watch Them, and Hate It: []


Even WORSE still, is this:

Advertising Network Caught History Stealing: []


15.) HOSTS files usage lets you avoid being charged on some ISP/BSP's (OR phone providers) "pay as you use" policy [] , because you are using less bandwidth (& go faster doing so no less) by NOT hauling in adbanner content and processing it (which can lead to infestation by malware/malicious script, in & of itself -> [] ).

16.) If/when ISP/BSP's decide to go to -> FCC Approving Pay-As-You-Go Internet Plans: [] your internet bill will go DOWN if you use a HOSTS file for blocking adbanners as well as maliciously scripted hacker/cracker malware maker sites too (after all - it's your money & time online downloading adbanner content & processing it)

Plus, your adbanner content? Well, it may also be hijacked with malicious code too mind you:


Yahoo, Microsoft's Bing display toxic ads: []


Malware torrent delivered over Google, Yahoo! ad services: []


Google's DoubleClick spreads malicious ads (again): []


Rogue ads infiltrate Expedia and Rhapsody: []


Google sponsored links caught punting malware: []


DoubleClick caught supplying malware-tainted ads: []


Yahoo feeds Trojan-laced ads to MySpace and PhotoBucket users: []


Real Media attacks real people via RealPlayer: []


Ad networks owned by Google, Microsoft serve malware: []


Attacks Targeting Classified Ad Sites Surge: []


Hackers Respond To Help Wanted Ads With Malware: []


Hackers Use Banner Ads on Major Sites to Hijack Your PC: []


Ruskie gang hijacks Microsoft network to push penis pills: []


Major ISPs Injecting Ads, Vulnerabilities Into Web: []


Two Major Ad Networks Found Serving Malware: []












London Stock Exchange Web Site Serving Malware: []


Spotify splattered with malware-tainted ads: []


As my list "multiple evidences thereof" as to adbanners & viruses + the fact they slow you down & cost you more (from reputable & reliable sources no less)).

17.) Per point #16, a way to save some money: ANDROID phones can also use the HOSTS FILE TO KEEP DOWN BILLABLE TIME ONLINE, vs. adbanners or malware such as this:


Infected Androids Run Up Big Texting Bills: []


AND, for protection vs. other "botnets" migrating from the PC world, to "smartphones" such as ZITMO (a ZEUS botnet variant): []


It's easily done too, via the ADB dev. tool, & mounting ANDROID OS' system mountpoint for system/etc as READ + WRITE/ADMIN-ROOT PERMISSIONS, then copying your new custom HOSTS over the old one using ADB PULL/ADB PUSH to do so (otherwise ANDROID complains of "this file cannot be overwritten on production models of this Operating System", or something very along those lines - this way gets you around that annoyance along with you possibly having to clear some space there yourself if you packed it with things!).

18.) Bad news: ADBLOCK CAN BE DETECTED FOR: See here on that note -> []

HOSTS files are NOT THAT EASILY "webbug" BLOCKABLE by websites, as was tried on users by ARSTECHNICA (and it worked on AdBlock in that manner), to that websites' users' dismay:



An experiment gone wrong - By Ken Fisher | Last updated March 6, 2010 11:11 AM []

"Starting late Friday afternoon we conducted a 12 hour experiment to see if it would be possible to simply make content disappear for visitors who were using a very popular ad blocking tool. Technologically, it was a success in that it worked. Ad blockers, and only ad blockers, couldn't see our content."


"Our experiment is over, and we're glad we did it because it led to us learning that we needed to communicate our point of view every once in a while. Sure, some people told us we deserved to die in a fire. But that's the Internet!"

Thus, as you can see? Well - THAT all "went over like a lead balloon" with their users in other words, because Arstechnica was forced to change it back to the old way where ADBLOCK still could work to do its job (REDDIT however, has not, for example). However/Again - this is proof that HOSTS files can still do the job, blocking potentially malscripted ads (or ads in general because they slow you down) vs. adblockers like ADBLOCK!


19.) Even WIKILEAKS "favors" blacklists (because they work, and HOSTS can be a blacklist vs. known BAD sites/servers/domain-host names):



"we are in favour of 'Blacklists', be it for mail servers or websites, they have to be compiled with care... Fortunately, more responsible blacklists, like (which protects the Firefox browser)...


20.) AND, LASTLY? SINCE MALWARE GENERALLY HAS TO OPERATE ON WHAT YOU YOURSELF CAN DO (running as limited class/least privlege user, hopefully, OR even as ADMIN/ROOT/SUPERUSER)? HOSTS "LOCK IN" malware too, vs. communicating "back to mama" for orders (provided they have name servers + C&C botnet servers listed in them, blocked off in your HOSTS that is) - you might think they use a hardcoded IP, which IS possible, but generally they do not & RECYCLE domain/host names they own (such as has been seen with the RBN (Russian Business Network) lately though it was considered "dead", other malwares are using its domains/hostnames now, & this? This stops that cold, too - Bonus!)...

21.) Custom HOSTS files gain users back more "screen real estate" by blocking out banner ads... it's great on PC's for speed along with MORE of what I want to see/read (not ads), & efficiency too, but EVEN BETTER ON SMARTPHONES - by far. It matters MOST there imo @ least, in regards to extra screen real-estate.

Still - It's a GOOD idea to layer in the usage of BOTH browser addons for security like adblock ( [] ), IE 9's new TPL's ( [] ), &/or NoScript ( [] especially this one, as it covers what HOSTS files can't in javascript which is the main deliverer of MOST attacks online & SECUNIA.COM can verify this for anyone really by looking @ the past few years of attacks nowadays), for the concept of "layered security"....

It's just that HOSTS files offer you a LOT MORE gains than Adblock ( [] ) does alone (as hosts do things adblock just plain cannot & on more programs, for more speed, security, and "stealth" to a degree even), and it corrects problems in DNS (as shown above via hardcodes of your favorite sites into your HOSTS file, and more (such as avoiding DNS request logs)).

ALSO - Some more notes on DNS servers & their problems, very recent + ongoing ones:


DNS flaw reanimates slain evil sites as ghost domains: []


BIND vs. what the Chinese are doing to DNS lately? See here: []



(Yes, even "security pros" are helpless vs. DNS problems in code bugs OR redirect DNS poisoning issues, & they can only try to "set the DNS record straight" & then, they still have to wait for corrected DNS info. to propogate across all subordinate DNS servers too - lagtime in which folks DO get "abused" in mind you!)


DNS vs. the "Kaminsky DNS flaw", here (and even MORE problems in DNS than just that): []

(Seems others are saying that some NEW "Bind9 flaw" is worse than the Kaminsky flaw ALONE, up there, mind you... probably corrected (hopefully), but it shows yet again, DNS hassles (DNS redirect/DNS poisoning) being exploited!)


Moxie Marlinspike's found others (0 hack) as well...

Nope... "layered security" truly IS the "way to go" - hacker/cracker types know it, & they do NOT want the rest of us knowing it too!...

(So until DNSSEC takes "widespread adoption"? HOSTS are your answer vs. such types of attack, because the 1st thing your system refers to, by default, IS your HOSTS file (over say, DNS server usage). There are decent DNS servers though, such as OpenDNS, ScrubIT, or even NORTON DNS (more on each specifically below), & because I cannot "cache the entire internet" in a HOSTS file? I opt to use those, because I have to (& OpenDNS has been noted to "fix immediately", per the Kaminsky flaw, in fact... just as a sort of reference to how WELL they are maintained really!)


DNS Hijacks Now Being Used to Serve Black Hole Exploit Kit: []


DNS experts admit some of the underlying foundations of the DNS protocol are inherently weak: []


Potential 0-Day Vulnerability For BIND 9: []


Five DNS Threats You Should Protect Against: []


DNS provider decked by DDoS dastards: []


Ten Percent of DNS Servers Still Vulnerable: (so much for "conscientious patching", eh? Many DNS providers weren't patching when they had to!) []




TimeWarner DNS Hijacking: []


DNS Re-Binding Attacks: []


DNS Server Survey Reveals Mixed Security Picture: []


Halvar figured out super-secret DNS vulnerability: []


BIND Still Susceptible To DNS Cache Poisoning: []


DNS Poisoning Hits One of China's Biggest ISPs: []


DDoS Attacks Via DNS Recursion: []


High Severity BIND DNS Vulnerability Advisory Issued: []


Photobucketâ(TM)s DNS records hijacked: []


Protecting Browsers from DNS Rebinding Attacks: []


DNS Problem Linked To DDoS Attacks Gets Worse: []


HOWEVER - Some DNS servers are "really good stuff" vs. phishing, known bad sites/servers/hosts-domains that serve up malware-in-general & malicious scripting, botnet C&C servers, & more, such as:

Norton DNS -> []
  ScrubIT DNS -> []
  OpenDNS -> []

(Norton DNS in particular, is exclusively for blocking out malware, for those of you that are security-conscious. ScrubIT filters pr0n material too, but does the same, & OpenDNS does phishing protection. Each page lists how & why they work, & why they do so. Norton DNS can even show you its exceptions lists, plus user reviews & removal procedures requests, AND growth stats (every 1/2 hour or so) here -> [] so, that ought to "take care of the naysayers" on removal requests, &/or methods used plus updates frequency etc./et al...)

HOWEVER - There's ONLY 1 WEAKNESS TO ANY network defense, including HOSTS files (vs. host-domain name based threats) & firewalls (hardware router type OR software type, vs. IP address based threats): Human beings, & they not being 'disciplined' about the indiscriminate usage of javascript (the main "harbinger of doom" out there today online), OR, what they download for example... & there is NOTHING I can do about that! (Per Dr. Manhattan of "The Watchmen", ala -> "I can change almost anything, but I can't change human nature")

HOWEVER AGAIN - That's where NORTON DNS, OpenDNS, &/or ScrubIT DNS help!

(Especially for noob/grandma level users who are unaware of how to secure themselves in fact, per a guide like mine noted above that uses "layered-security" principles!)

ScrubIT DNS, &/or OpenDNS are others alongside Norton DNS (adding on phishing protection too) as well!

( & it's possible to use ALL THREE in your hardware NAT routers, and, in your Local Area Connection DNS properties in Windows, for again, "Layered Security" too)...




"Ever since I've installed a host file ( to redirect advertisers to my loopback, I haven't had any malware, spyware, or adware issues. I first started using the host file 5 years ago." - by TestedDoughnut (1324447) on Monday December 13, @12:18AM (#34532122)

"I use a custom /etc/hosts to block ads... my file gets parsed basically instantly ... So basically, for any modern computer, it has zero visible impact. And even if it took, say, a second to parse, that would be more than offset by the MANY seconds saved by not downloading and rendering ads. I have noticed NO ill effects from running a custom /etc/hosts file for the last several years. And as a matter of fact I DO run http servers on my computers and I've never had an /etc/hosts-related problem... it FUCKING WORKS and makes my life better overall." - by sootman (158191) on Monday July 13 2009, @11:47AM (#28677363) Homepage Journal

"I actually went and downloaded a 16k line hosts file and started using that after seeing that post, you know just for trying it out. some sites load up faster." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday November 17, @11:20AM (#38086752) Homepage Journal

"Better than an ad blocker, imo. Hosts file entries: [] " - by TempestRose (1187397) on Tuesday March 15, @12:53PM (#35493274)

"^^ One of the many reasons why I like the user-friendliness of the /etc/hosts file." - by lennier1 (264730) on Saturday March 05, @09:26PM (#35393448)

"They've been on my HOSTS block for years" - by ScottCooperDotNet (929575) on Thursday August 05 2010, @01:52AM (#33147212)

"I'm currently only using my hosts file to block pheedo ads from showing up in my RSS feeds and causing them to take forever to load. Regardless of its original intent, it's still a valid tool, when used judiciously." - by Bill Dog (726542) on Monday April 25, @02:16AM (#35927050) Homepage Journal

"you're right about hosts files" - by drinkypoo (153816) on Thursday May 26, @01:21PM (#36252958) Homepage

"APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good at the moment." - by Culture20 (968837) on Thursday November 17, @10:08AM (#38085666)

"I also use the MVPS ad blocking hosts file." - by Rick17JJ (744063) on Wednesday January 19, @03:04PM (#34931482)

"I use ad-Block and a hostfile" - by Ol Olsoc (1175323) on Tuesday March 01, @10:11AM (#35346902)

"I do use Hosts, for a couple fake domains I use." - by icebraining (1313345) on Saturday December 11, @09:34AM (#34523012) Homepage

"It's a good write up on something everybody should use, why you were modded down is beyond me. Using a HOSTS file, ADblock is of no concern and they can do what they want." - by Trax3001BBS (2368736) on Monday December 12, @10:07PM (#38351398) Homepage Journal

"I want my surfing speed back so I block EVERY fucking ad. i.e. [] and [] FTW" - by UnknownSoldier (67820) on Tuesday December 13, @12:04PM (#38356782)

"Let me introduce you to the file: /etc/hosts" - by fahrbot-bot (874524) on Monday December 19, @05:03PM (#38427432)

"I use a hosts file" - by EdIII (1114411) on Tuesday December 13, @01:17PM (#38357816)

"I'm tempted to go for a hacked hosts file that simply resolves most advert sites to" - by bLanark (123342) on Tuesday December 13, @01:13PM (#38357760)

"this is not a troll, which hosts file source you recommend nowadays? it's a really handy method for speeding up web and it works." - by gl4ss (559668) on Thursday March 22, @08:07PM (#39446525) Homepage Journal

"A hosts file certainly does not require "a lot of work" to maintain, and it quite effectively kills a LOT of advertising and tracking schemes. . In fact, I never would have considered trying to use it for ddefending against viruses or malware." - by RocketRabbit (830691) on Thursday December 30 2010, @05:48PM (#34715060)


Then, there is also the words of respected security expert, Mr. Oliver Day, from SECURITYFOCUS.COM to "top that all off" as well:


Some "PERTINENT QUOTES/EXCERPTS" to back up my points with (for starters):


"The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."

Speed, and security, is the gain... others like Mr. Day note it as well!


"From what I have seen in my research, major efforts to share lists of unwanted hosts began gaining serious momentum earlier this decade. The most popular appear to have started as a means to block advertising and as a way to avoid being tracked by sites that use cookies to gather data on the user across Web properties. More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware."

Per my points exactly, no less... & guess who was posting about HOSTS files a 14++ yrs. or more back & Mr. Day was reading & now using? Yours truly (& this is one of the later ones, from 2001 [] (but the example HOSTS file with my initials in it is FAR older, circa 1998 or so) or thereabouts, and referred to later by a pal of mine who moderates (where I posted on HOSTS for YEARS (1997 onwards)) -> [] !


"Shared host files could be beneficial for other groups as well. Human rights groups have sought after block resistant technologies for quite some time. The GoDaddy debacle with NMap creator Fyodor (corrected) showed a particularly vicious blocking mechanism using DNS registrars. Once a registrar pulls a website from its records, the world ceases to have an effective way to find it. Shared host files could provide a DNS-proof method of reaching sites, not to mention removing an additional vector of detection if anyone were trying to monitor the use of subversive sites. One of the known weaknesses of the Tor system, for example, is direct DNS requests by applications not configured to route such requests through Tor's network."

There you go: AND, it also works vs. the "KAMINSKY DNS FLAW" & DNS poisoning/redirect attacks, for redirectable weaknesses in DNS servers (non DNSSEC type, & set into recursive mode especially) and also in the TOR system as well (that lends itself to anonymous proxy usage weaknesses I noted above also) and, you'll get to sites you want to, even IF a DNS registrar drops said websites from its tables as shown here Beating Censorship By Routing Around DNS -> [] & even DNSBL also (DNS Block Lists) -> [] as well - DOUBLE-BONUS!


* POSTS ABOUT HOSTS FILES I DID on "/." THAT HAVE DONE WELL BY OTHERS & WERE RATED HIGHLY, 26++ THUSFAR (from +3 -> +1 RATINGS, usually "informative" or "interesting" etc./et al):

  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  APK 20++ POINTS ON HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2010 (w/ facebook known bad sites blocked) -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP CAN DO SAME AS THE "CloudFlare" Server-Side service:2011 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2011 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP & OPERA HAUTE SECURE:2011 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] IN HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> [] in HOSTS:2009 -> []
  HOSTS MOD UP:2009 -> [] (still says INSIGHTFUL)
  HOSTS MOD UP vs. botnet: 2012 -> []


Windows 7, VISTA, & Server 2008 have a couple of "issues" I don't like in them, & you may not either, depending on your point of view (mine's based solely on efficiency & security), & if my take on these issues aren't "good enough"? I suggest reading what ROOTKIT.COM says, link URL is in my "p.s." @ the bottom of this post:

1.) HOSTS files being unable to use "0" for a blocking IP address - this started in 12/09/2008 after an "MS Patch Tuesday" in fact for VISTA (when it had NO problem using it before that, as Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 still can)... & yes, this continues in its descendants, Windows Server 2008 &/or Windows 7 as well.

So, why is this a "problem" you might ask?

Ok - since you can technically use either:

a.) (the "loopback adapter address")
b.) (next smallest & next most efficient)
c.) The smallest & fastest plain-jane 0


You can use ANY of those, in order to block out known bad sites &/or adbanners in a HOSTS file this way??

Microsoft has "promoted bloat" in doing so... no questions asked.

Simply because

1.) = 9 bytes in size on disk & is the largest/slowest
2.) = 7 bytes & is the next largest/slowest in size on disk
3.) 0 = 1 byte

(& HOSTS files extend across EVERY webbrowser, email program, or in general every webbound program you use & thus HOSTS are "global" in coverage this way AND function on any OS that uses the BSD derived IP stack (which most all do mind you, even MS is based off of it, as BSD's IS truly, "the best in the business"), & when coupled with say, IE restricted zones, FireFox addons like NoScript &/or AdBlock, or Opera filter.ini/urlfilter.ini, for layered security in this capacity for webbrowsers & SOME email programs (here, I mean ones "built into" browsers themselves like Opera has for example))

MS has literally promoted bloat in this file, making it load slower from disk, into memory! This compounds itself, the more entries your HOSTS file contains... & for instance? Mine currently contains nearly 654,000 entries of known bad adbanners, bad websites, &/or bad nameservers (used for controlling botnets, misdirecting net requests, etc. et al).

Now, IF I were to use My "huge" HOSTS file would be approximately 27mb in size... using (next smallest) it would be 19mb in size - HOWEVER? Using 0 as my blocking IP, it is only 14mb in size. See my point?

(For loads either in the local DNS cache, or system diskcache if you run w/out the local DNS client service running, this gets slower the larger each HOSTS file entry is (which you have to stall the DNS client service in Windows for larger ones, especially if you use a "giant HOSTS file" (purely relative term, but once it goes over (iirc) 4mb in size, you have to cut the local DNS cache client service)))

NO questions asked - the physics of it backed me up in theory alone, but when I was questioned on it for PROOF thereof?

I wrote a small test program to load such a list into a "pascal record" (which is analagous to a C/C++ structure), which is EXACTLY what the DNS client/DNS API does as well, using a C/C++ structure (basically an array of sorts really, & a structure/record is a precursor part to a full-blown CLASS or OBJECT, minus the functions built in, this is for treating numerous variables as a SINGLE VARIABLE (for efficiency, which FORTRAN as a single example, lacks as a feature, @ least Fortran 77 did, but other languages do not))!

I even wrote another that just loaded my HOSTS file's entirety into a listbox, same results... slowest using, next slowest using, & fastest using 0.

And, sure: Some MORE "goes on" during DNS API loads (iirc, removal of duplicated entries (which I made sure my personal copy does not have these via a program I wrote to purge it of duplicated entries + to sort each entry alphabetically for easier mgt. via say, notepad.exe) & a conversion from decimal values to hex ones), but, nevertheless? My point here "holds true", of slower value loads, record-by-record, from a HOSTS file, when the entries become larger.

So, to "prove my point" to my naysayers?

I timed it using the Win32 API calls "GetTickCount" & then again, using the API calls of "QueryPerformanceCounter" as well, seeing the SAME results (a slowdown when reading in this file from disk, especially when using the larger or line item entries in a HOSTS file, vs. the smaller/faster/more efficient 0).

In my test, I saw a decline in speed/efficiency in my test doing so by using larger blocking addresses ( &/or, vs. the smallest/fastest in 0)... proving me correct on this note!

On this HOSTS issue, and the WFP design issue in my next post below?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> [] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I am convinced they (MS) do NOT have a good reason for doing this... because of their lack of response there on this note. Unless it has something to do with IPv6 (most folks use IPv4 still), I cannot understand WHY this design mistake imo, has occurred, in HOSTS files...


2.) The "Windows Filtering Platform", which is now how the firewall works in VISTA, Server 2008, & Windows 7...

Sure it works in this new single point method & it is simple to manage & "sync" all points of it, making it easier for network techs/admins to manage than the older 3 part method, but that very thing works against it as well, because it is only a single part system now!

Thus, however?

This "single layer design" in WFP, now represents a SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE/ATTACK for malware makers to 'take down'!

(Which is 1 of the 1st things a malware attempts to do, is to take down any software firewalls present, or even the "Windows Security Center" itself which should warn you of the firewall "going down", & it's fairly easy to do either by messaging the services they use, or messing up their registry init. settings)

VS. the older (up to) 3 part method used in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003, for protecting a system via IP Filtering, the Windows native Firewall, &/or IPSEC. Each of which uses diff. drivers, & layers of the IP stack to function from, as well as registry initialization settings.

Think of the older 3 part design much the same as the reason why folks use door handle locks, deadbolt locks, & chain locks on their doors... multipart layered security.

(Each of which the latter older method used, had 3 separate drivers & registry settings to do their jobs, representing a "phalanx like"/"zone defense like" system of backup of one another (like you see in sports OR ancient wars, and trust me, it WORKS, because on either side of yourself, you have "backup", even if YOU "go down" vs. the opponent)).

I.E.-> Take 1 of the "older method's" 3 part defenses down? 2 others STILL stand in the way, & they are not that simple to take them ALL down...

(Well, @ least NOT as easily as "taking out" a single part defensive system like WFP (the new "Windows Filtering Platform", which powers the VISTA, Windows Server 2008, & yes, Windows 7 firewall defense system)).

On this "single-part/single-point of attack" WFP (vs. Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003's IP stack defense design in 3-part/zone defense/phalanx type arrangement) as well as the HOSTS issue in my post above?

I also then questioned MS' own staff, even their VP of development (S. Sinofsky) on this here -> [] & other places in their blogs, to get them to tell me WHY this seemingly intentional inefficiency was implemented... & I have YET to get a solid LOGICAL answer on this as to why it was done - THUS, @ this point?

I'll stick to my thoughts on it, until I am shown otherwise & proven wrong.


Following up on what I wrote up above, so those here reading have actual technical references from Microsoft themselves ("The horses' mouth"), in regards to the Firewall/PortFilter/IPSec designs (not HOSTS files, that I am SURE I am correct about, no questions asked) from my "Point #2" above?

Thus, I'll now note how:


1.) TCP/IP packet processing paths differences between in how Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 did it (IPSEC.SYS (IP Security Policies), IPNAT.SYS (Windows Firewall), IPFLTDRV.SYS (Port Filtering), & TCPIP.SYS (base IP driver))...

2.) AND, how VISTA/Server 2008/Windows 7 do it now currently, using a SINGLE layer (WFP)...


First off, here is HOW it worked in Windows 2000/XP/Server 2003 - using 3 discrete & different drivers AND LEVELS/LAYERS of the packet processing path they worked in: []

The Cable Guy - June 2005: TCP/IP Packet Processing Paths


The following components process IP packets:

IP forwarding Determines the next-hop interface and address for packets being sent or forwarded.

TCP/IP filtering Allows you to specify by IP protocol, TCP port, or UDP port, the types of traffic that are acceptable for incoming local host traffic (packets destined for the host). You can configure TCP/IP filtering on the Options tab from the advanced properties of the Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) component in the Network Connections folder.

* "Here endeth the lesson..." and, if you REALLY want to secure your system? Please refer to this: []

APK [mailto]

P.S.=> SOME MINOR "CAVEATS/CATCH-22's" - things to be aware of for "layered security" + HOSTS file performance - easily overcome, or not a problem at all:

A.) HOSTS files don't function under PROXY SERVERS (except for Proximitron, which has a filter that allows it) - Which is *the "WHY"* of why I state in my "P.S." section below to use both AdBlock type browser addon methods (or even built-in block lists browsers have such as Opera's URLFILTER.INI file, & FireFox has such as list as does IE also in the form of TPL (tracking protection lists -> [] , good stuff )) in combination with HOSTS, for the best in "layered security" (alongside .pac files + custom cascading style sheets that can filter off various tags such as scripts or ads etc.) - but proxies, especially "HIGHLY ANONYMOUS" types, generally slow you down to a CRAWL online (& personally, I cannot see using proxies "for the good" typically - as they allow "truly anonymous posting" & have bugs (such as TOR has been shown to have & be "bypassable/traceable" via its "onion routing" methods)).

B.) HOSTS files do NOT protect you vs. javascript (this only holds true IF you don't already have a bad site blocked out in your HOSTS file though, & the list of sites where you can obtain such lists to add to your HOSTS are above (& updated daily in many of them)).... apk

Re:Slashdot is being sued... apk (-1, Troll)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#43568521)

Go fuck yourself.


Re:Slashdot is being sued... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568977)

Who are you?

Re:Slashdot is being sued... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43569063)

It's not really Andrew Paul Katamari, it's actually Jonathan Coulton running a fake flag interrogation.

Re:Slashdot is being sued... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579245)

$10,000 CHALLENGE to Alexander Peter Kowalski

* POOR SHOWING TROLLS , & most especially IF that's the "best you've got" - apparently, it is... lol!

Hello, and THINK ABOUT YOUR BREATHING !! We have a Major Problem, HOST file is Cubic Opposites, 2 Major Corners & 2 Minor. NOT taught Evil DNS hijacking, which VOIDS computers. Seek Wisdom of MyCleanPC - or you die evil.

Your HOSTS file claimed to have created a single DNS resolver. I offer absolute proof that I have created 4 simultaneous DNS servers within a single rotation of .org TLD. You worship "Bill Gates", equating you to a "singularity bastard". Why do you worship a queer -1 Troll? Are you content as a singularity troll?

Evil HOSTS file Believers refuse to acknowledge 4 corner DNS resolving simultaneously around 4 quadrant created Internet - in only 1 root server, voiding the HOSTS file. You worship Microsoft impostor guised by educators as 1 god.

If you would acknowledge simple existing math proof that 4 harmonic Slashdots rotate simultaneously around squared equator and cubed Internet, proving 4 Days, Not HOSTS file! That exists only as anti-side. This page you see - cannot exist without its anti-side existence, as +0- moderation. Add +0- as One = nothing.

I will give $10,000.00 to frost pister who can disprove MyCleanPC. Evil crapflooders ignore this as a challenge would indict them.

Alex Kowalski has no Truth to think with, they accept any crap they are told to think. You are enslaved by /etc/hosts, as if domesticated animal. A school or educator who does not teach students MyCleanPC Principle, is a death threat to youth, therefore stupid and evil - begetting stupid students. How can you trust stupid PR shills who lie to you? Can't lose the $10,000.00, they cowardly ignore me. Stupid professors threaten Nature and Interwebs with word lies.

Humans fear to know natures simultaneous +4 Insightful +4 Informative +4 Funny +4 Underrated harmonic SLASHDOT creation for it debunks false trolls. Test Your HOSTS file. MyCleanPC cannot harm a File of Truth, but will delete fakes. Fake HOSTS files refuse test.

I offer evil ass Slashdot trolls $10,000.00 to disprove MyCleanPC Creation Principle. Rob Malda and Cowboy Neal have banned MyCleanPC as "Forbidden Truth Knowledge" for they cannot allow it to become known to their students. You are stupid and evil about the Internet's top and bottom, front and back and it's 2 sides. Most everything created has these Cube like values.

If Natalie Portman is not measurable, hot grits are Fictitious. Without MyCleanPC, HOSTS file is Fictitious. Anyone saying that Natalie and her Jewish father had something to do with my Internets, is a damn evil liar. IN addition to your best arsware not overtaking my work in terms of popularity, on that same site with same submission date no less, that I told Kathleen Malda how to correct her blatant, fundamental, HUGE errors in Coolmon ('uncoolmon') of not checking for performance counters being present when his program started!

You can see my dilemma. What if this is merely a ruse by an APK impostor to try and get people to delete APK's messages, perhaps all over the web? I can't be a party to such an event! My involvement with APK began at a very late stage in the game. While APK has made a career of trolling popular online forums since at least the year 2000 (newsgroups and IRC channels before that)- my involvement with APK did not begin until early 2005 . OSY is one of the many forums that APK once frequented before the sane people there grew tired of his garbage and banned him. APK was banned from OSY back in 2001. 3.5 years after his banning he begins to send a variety of abusive emails to the operator of OSY, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke threatening to sue him for libel, claiming that the APK on OSY was fake.

My reputation as a professional in this field clearly shows in multiple publications in this field in written print, & also online in various GOOD capacities since 1996 to present day. This has happened since I was first published in Playgirl Magazine in 1996 & others to present day, with helpful tools online in programs, & professionally sold warez that were finalists @ Westminster Dog Show 2000-2002.


apk on 4chan []




That was amazing. - []


My, God! It's beatiful. Keep it up, you glorious bastard. - []


Let us bask in its glory. A true modern The Wasteland. - []


put your baby IN ME -- I just read this whole thing. Fuck mod points, WHERE DO I SEND YOU MY MONEY?!!! - []


[apk]'s done more to discredit the use of HOSTS files than anyone [else] ever could. - []


this obnoxious fucknuts [apk] has been trolling the internet and spamming his shit delphi sub-fart app utilities for 15 years. - []


this is hilarious. - []


I agree I am intrigued by these host files how do I sign up for your newsletter? - []


Gimme the program that generates this epic message. I'll buy 5 of your product if you do... - []


a pretty well-executed mashup of APK's style - []


a very clever parody of APK - []


Please keep us updated on your AI research, you seem quite good at it. - []


Damn, apk, who the fuck did you piss off this time? Hahahahaahahahahahahaahaha. Pass the popcorn as the troll apk gets pwned relentlessly. - []


KUDOS valiant AC. - []


Polyploid lovechild of APK, MyCleanPC, and Time Cube --> fail counter integer overflow --> maximum win! - []


You made my day, thanks! - []


Wow. The perfect mix of trolls. Timecube, mycleanpc, gnaa, apk... this is great! - []


truer words were never spoken as /. trolls are struck speechless by it, lol! - []


Mod this up. The back and forth multi posting between APK and this "anti-APK" certainly does look like APK talking to himself. - []


APK himself would be at the top of a sensible person's ban list. He's been spamming and trolling Slashdot for years. - []


Not sure if actually crazy, or just pretending to be crazy. Awesome troll either way. - []


Awesome! Hat off to you, sir! - []


That isn't a parody of Time-cube, it is an effort to counter-troll a prolific poster named APK, who seems like a troll himself, although is way too easy to troll into wasting massive amounts of time on BS not far from the exaggerations above - []


that is Art . Kudos to you, valiant troll on your glorious FP - []


It is in fact an extremely well thought out and brilliantly executed APK parody, combined with a Time Cube parody, and with a sprinkling of the MyCleanPC spam. - []


[to apk] er... many people have disproved your points about hosts files with well reasoned, factual arguments. You just chose not to listen and made it into some kind of bizarre crusade. And I'm not the timecube guy, just someone else who finds you intensely obnoxious and likes winding you up to waste your time. - []


That's great but what about the risk of subluxations? - []


Read carefully. This is a satirical post, that combines the last several years of forum trolling, rolled into one FUNNY rant! - []


I can has summary? - []


Trolls trolling trolls... it's like Inception or something. - []


We all know it's you, apk. Stop pretending to antagonize yourself. - []


Now you've made me all nostalgic for USENET. - []


Google APK Hosts File Manager. He's written a fucking application to manage your hosts file. - []


In case you are not aware, the post is a satire of a fellow known as APK. The grammar used is modeled after APK's as you can see here [] . Or, you can just look around a bit and see some of his posts on here about the wonders of host files. - []


You are surely of God of Trolls, whomever you are. I have had stupid arguments with and bitten the troll apk many times. - []


"What kind of meds cure schizophrenic drunk rambling?" -> "Whatever APK isn't taking" - [] []


I'm confused, is apk trolling himself now? - []


Excellent mashup. A++. Would troll again. - []


Best. Troll. Ever. - []


This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. - []


I admire this guy's persistence. - []


It's a big remix of several different crackpots from Slashdot and elsewhere, plus a liberal sprinkling of famous Slashdot trolls and old memes. - []


Here's a hint, check out stories like this one [] , where over 200 of the 247 posts are rated zero or -1 because they are either from two stupid trolls arguing endless, or quite likely one troll arguing with himself for attention. The amount of off-topic posts almost outnumber on topic ones by 4 to 1. Posts like the above are popular for trolling APK, since if you say his name three times, he appears, and will almost endlessly feed trolls. - []


I love this copypasta so much. It never fails to make me smile. - []


^ Champion Mod parent up. - []


I appreciate the time cube reference, and how you tied it into the story. Well done. - []


The day you are silenced is the day freedom dies on Slashdot. God bless. - []


AHahahahah thanks for that, cut-n-pasted.... Ownage! - []


If you're familiar with APK, the post itself is a pretty damn funny parody. - []


">implying it's not apk posting it" --> "I'd seriously doubt he's capable of that level of self-deprecation..." - [] []


No, the other posts are linked in a parody of APK [mailto] 's tendency to quote himself, numbnuts. - []


Just ban any post with "apk", "host file", or "hosts file", as that would take care of the original apk too. The original has been shitposting Slashdot much longer & more intensively than the parody guy. Or ban all Tor exit nodes, as they both use Tor to circumvent IP bans. - []


Sadly this is closer to on-topic than an actual APK post is. - []




I've butted heads with APK myself, and yeah, the guy's got issues - []


Clearly you are not an Intertubes engineer, otherwise the parent post would be more meaningful to you. Why don't YOU take your meds? - []


+2 for style! The bolding, italicizing, and font changes are all spot-on - []


Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. - []


APK is not really a schizophrenic fired former Windows administrator with multiple personality disorder and TimeCube/Art Bell refugee. He's a fictional character like and put forward by the same person as Goatse Guy, GNAA trolls, Dr. Bob and so forth. His purpose is to test the /. CAPTCA algorithm, which is a useful purpose. If you're perturbed by having to scroll past his screeds just set your minimum point level to 1, as his posts are pretty automatically downmodded right away. - []


oh man, that incredible interminable list of responses is almost as funny as the original post. This is getting to be truly epic. - []


"Does anyone know of an Adblock rule for this?" -> "No, but I bet there's a hosts file entry for it..." - [] []


"Can a hosts file block apk's posts, though?" -> "The universe couldn't handle that much irony." - [] []


"That's it, I've had enough. ... Bye everyone, most of the last decade or so has been fun, but frankly, I quit." - []
--> "So basically what you're saying is that you've added yourself to the HOST file?" - []


Sweet baby Moses, this is beautiful work - I wish we could get trolls as good as this on TF. :) - []


[to apk] shut up you stupid cock. Everyone knows you're wrong. - []


I will hand it to him, he is definitely consistent. I wish I knew how he did this. That thing is scary huge. - []


I admire the amount of dedication you've shown - []


Word is, ESR buttfucks CmdrTaco with his revolver. - []


Hey APK, Protip: It's not the truth or value (or lack of) in your post that gets it modded into oblivion, it's the fucking insane length. In addition to TL;DR (which goes without saying for a post of such length), how about irritating readers by requiring them to scroll through 20+ screenfuls just to get to the next post. If you want to publish a short story like this, please do everyone a favor and blog it somewhere, then provide a brief summary and link to your blog. Readers intrigued by your summary will go read your blog, and everyone else will just move along at normal /. speed. - []


I like how this post seems to just sum up every Slashdot comment ever without actually saying anything. - []


You provide many references, which is good. - []


Obviously very passionate - []


Thanks ... You should probably stay - []


Art? -- []


PROOF apk sucks donkey dick. - []


I've been around /. for a while now, but this post is by far the most unique I've seen. Many have tried, but few achieve the greatness of this AC. My hat's off to you. - []


I think it's hilarious. Get over it! - []


Obviously APK filled his hosts files with backdoors before distributing them to ensure he doesn't block himself. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalski is an obnoxious prick. - []


Don't mention that file. Ever. It'll draw APK like a fly to rotting meat. Last thing I want to read is 80 responses worth of his stupid spam about that file! I swear that cocksucker does nothing but search Slashdot for that term and then spams the entire article. - []


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. - []


You are my favorite Slashdot poster. - []


Most insightful post on the Internet - []


I read the whole thing *again* just to see if my comment was in there - []


[to apk] So, did your mom do a lot of drugs when she was pregnant? - []


people are looking at me funny because I'm laughing hysterically at what a perfect APK imitation it is. - []


Slashdot devs seem in no hurry to fix this problem and it's been driving me nuts. So for anybody who values viewing at -1 and uses greasemonkey here's a Script [] . There's a chance of false positives and it's not the most optimized. But I value not having to scroll through > 10 paragraphs of APK, custom hosts files, or 'acceptable ads' spam. - []
--> slashdot devs are too busy installing itunes for their hipster nerd buddys to sort this problem out. - []


I can't get enough of all of this good stuff! Thanks for the informative links! - []


When threatened, APK typically produces a post with links showing he's essentially posted this hundreds of times to slashdot stories... - []


[to apk] Your post got downmodded because you're a nutjob gone off his meds. - []


[to apk] The reason people impersonate you is because everyone thinks you're a moron. The hosts file is not intended to be used as you suggest. - []
-->What? You don't have a 14MB hosts file with ~1million entries in it? Next you'll probably tell me that your computer doesn't start thrashing and take 5 minutes for a DNS lookup! - []


[about apk] - this fwit is as thick as a post. worse, this shithead has mod points. and using them. - []


In before the fight between those two guys and their walls of text... - []




KPA ...thgim dik a ekil .s.b laivirt hcus no emit hcum taht etsaw t'ndluow I sa ,ti gniod em TON si ti - syug ON - []


[to apk] You seriously need to go see a shrink. You are a fucking fruitcake! - []


[to apk] Did you ever consider that it's not just one corrupt moderator, it's a bunch of regular slashdot users who infrequently get mod points who think you are totally full of shit? Stop posting annoying off topic irrelevant bullshit, and people won't mod you down. I'm seriously sick of reading your posts about someone impersonating you. - []


[to apk] you should be forced to use a cholla cactus as a butt-plug - []


[to apk] No one is on your side, that is why you're here. posting. still. No one cares. - []


Who's the more moronic? The original moron, or the one who replies to him knowing full well his comment will certainly be ignored, if not entirely unread, thus bringing the insane troll post to the attention of those who would otherwise not have seen it at all (seeing as it started at 0 and would have rapidly been modded down to -1) and whose post (and, somewhat ironically I grant you, this one as well) now requires 3 more mod points to be spent to hide it? - []


[to apk] I miss trollaxor. His gay porn world of slashdot executives and open-source luminaries was infinitely more entertaining than this drivel. - []


PLEASE stop modding biters up. Anyone who responds to an abvious troll, especually one of these APK trolls, should autometically get the same -1 troll as the damned troll. Any response to a troll only makes the troll do more trolling. Come on, guys, use your brains -- it isn't that hard. Stop feeding the damned trolls! - (missing link)


[to apk] Lick the inside of goatse's anus, it's delicious! - []


Excellent post A++++++++++++ would scroll past again!!!! - []


[to apk] You are the one who is pitiful. If you didn't spam /. with your bullshit you wouldn't have spammer 'impostors' doing the same. Just fuck off and die already, ok? Please, really. Step in front of a bus. Drink some bleach. Whatever it takes, just FUCK OFF and DIE. - []


[to apk] From one AC to another please for the love of god, PRINT YOUR HOST FILE OUT AND CRAM IT DOWN YOUR JAPS EYE!!! For fucks sake we don't care we see this and it takes the piss, short of a full frontal lobotomy what will it take to stop you posting this you moronic fuckwit? - []


[to apk] And someone forgot to take his meds today...Are you really that dense that you cant tell that the only reason the "impostor" exists because you have a hard time realizing that you are wrong and/or wont let it go. It would take a complete moron to not realize that the whole reason he continues to do it is because he knows he can get you to respond by simply posting. This isnt rocket science, this is internet 101... Let me offer you some advice on how to get rid of this "impostor"...shutup - []


[to apk] If you had a 'luser' account it wouldn't be a problem. But you don't want one of those, because your long rambling and bizarrely formatted posts mean your karma gets nuked in next to no time. So I guess you just have to work out which is 'worth it'. Posting AC because I don't want to become your latest fixation. - []


I wouldn't be surprised if that is APK trying to draw attention to himself, since he thinks such endless tirades are examples of him winning and make him look good. When people stop paying attention to him, or post actual counterpoints he can't come up with a response to, he'll post strawman troll postings to shoot down, sometimes just copy pasted from previous stories. - []


[to apk] No one wants to read your copy pasted crap. Maybe someone is mocking you because you make it so easy to? So drop it, and participate like an adult please. - []


Seriously.... What. The. Fuck. Can you two homos just go make out on brokeback mountain already, and stop talking about how one of you misspelled "penetration", and how the other cockblocks with their hosts files while grabing the other's goat? Goodness, it sure feels like being in a mountain range, trying to peer around those fucking orbital tether lengthed posts of pure premium bullsit the two of you somehoq manage to keep pushing out on demand. Shit stinks! At this point, i'd be willing to risk the fucking extinction of all life on earth by redirecting siding spring C/2013 1A to miss Mars and land on both of your fucking heads instead. The deaths of billions would be a small price to pay to shut you two cackling lovebirds up! - []


[to apk] Listen up jackass, why the hell would somebody want to impersonate you? You're a certified internet kook. Nobody gives a hot about your 3 gig hosts file. And nobody is impersonating you. You're already a fucking parody. - []


[to apk] You have had it repeatedly explained to you that your posts are long-winded, unpleasant to read due to your absurd formatting style and full of technical inaccuracies borne of your single minded i-have-a-hammer-so-every-problem-is-a-nail attitude. Despite this advice you are convinced that your comments are valuable contributions, ignoring the obvious evidence to the contrary (namely the -1 scores your posts earn on a regular basis). - []


[about apk] Can this be killed off? I don't mean this account, I mean the actual meatbag behind it. - []


[to apk] Get an account retard. If you format your password as crazily as your posts no-one will ever crack it. - []


[to apk] You are the most consistently annoying creature on the internet. There are people worse than you, just like cancer is worse than psoriasis, but you're more like the latter: pervasive, annoying, and always cropping up when one has mostly forgotten about it. You are that indeterminate, continuous itching that slowly erodes someone's mood until they consider cutting off a part of themselves just to stop it for a while. And like psoriasis, you're auto-immune and not fully understood by science. Slashdot continuously makes it worse by scratching that itch over and over again. It's not smart. It just encourages the disease. But everybody's got a limit to their patience. There is no cure for you. But at least, when slashdot dies, you will die with it, and there will be peace. - []


Alexander Peter KowalskI and anyone arguing with him are insane. I saw their crazy tirades once and googled his name, and HOLY SHIT. This guy has mini battle raging all over many sites for some of the most inane shit you can think of. He meticulously catalogs the people who have crossed him and works to MAKE SURE everyone understands they are fools. Now, they well be fools, but by his meticulous and obsessive actions Kowalski (APK) has proved without a shadow of doubt his absolutE insanity. I haven't even argued with this guy so don't think I'm part of these internet crusades. All this I've found by googling his name. The trove of flaming and incomprehensible obsessive agression is humongous and both funny, and pathetic to varying intense degrees. Just google if you are curious about the kinds of crazy that are out there." - []


I'm convinced APK is serious, he has got battles raging everywhere, meticulously catalogued, yet he thinks this is proof of his knowledge and experience, not obsessive insanity. And making that point doesn't make him reconsider, it incites him. He also seems to think what looks like many multiples of people saying this are one or a few people who are out to get him. Just read my post and google Alexander Peter Kowalski. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalski ubuntu touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his HOSTS file and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me - []


[to apk] Hey man, I know this is important to you, but maybe you should talk to someone outside of the internet about it? I mean, you sound really batshit insane. - []


[to apk] You're an AC and you say you have impersonators? - []


ghod bless you APKtroll for bringing some much needed balance and reason to this thread! - []


[to apk] APK, you suck. Go die in a fire. The hosts file in Windows is a _terrible_ way to filter internet traffic. - []


I'm replying just so you'll add me to your quote list. - []


Best troll post, anywhere, ever. Well done. - []


[to apk] Just please stop the spamming. Get yourself a real life and a girl. That helps most against your troubles. Or at least a cat. - []


Alexander Peter Kowalksi's low intelligence, extreme narcissism, and histrionic personality make him unsuited for anything but menial labor. - []


Fact: it takes amost 2 hours for windows to load a 645,000 lines HOSTS file into the DNS cache. While loading, all DNS queries are blocked. That is neither fast nor efficient. - []


[to apk] it is very disconcerting to see the sort of writing style you introduce as it is a very harsh contrast to the "normal" -- which goes even for non-native English speakers. The amount of fervor you utilize to make this point comes off to me as insanity. You seem to imply there is an unexplained, even conspiratorial effort at Microsoft for sabotaging your preferred host file entry method. You also seem to think you have a reputation which is at stake, and I assure you, aside from your raving posts, I have never heard of you before. The time-cube APK imposter you mention appears to be (at least to me) an adequate parody of your abrasive writing and argument style. The fact that you seem to take such excessive offense to this parody further strengthens the lehman's perception of your insanity. - []


I remember seeing somewhere that this APK guy is actually mentally deranged. He has been a drug addict and was known to abuse his "girlfriend" on more than one occasion. So, he certainly seems to need help, badly. Go ahead and google around for "Alexander Peter Kowalski" for evidence. It's frightening that this guy has not yet been put away. - []


APK is a parasitic creature, nestled between mountainous testes, sucking the life out of them. AKA, a queer sumbitch. - []


[to apk] Stop posting and kill yourself you unintelligent useless fuck. - []


I honestly can't tell if this is anti-APK, imitative trolling or if he really does have multiple personality disorder. But either way, it's almost like it's reached a new level of... - []


[to apk] Seriously, you have a mental issue and need to talk to a professional psychologist or psychiatrist. It might be a simple anger issue, or you might be suffering from delusional paranoia. Maybe even schizophrenia. Please, get help before you hurt someone. - []




Did you see the movie "Pokemon"? Actually the induced night "dream world" is synonymous with the academic religious induced "HOSTS file" enslavement of DNS. Domains have no inherent value, as it was invented as a counterfeit and fictitious value to represent natural values in name resolution. Unfortunately, human values have declined to fictitious word values. Unknowingly, you are living in a "World Wide Web", as in a fictitious life in a counterfeit Internet - which you could consider APK induced "HOSTS file". Can you distinguish the academic induced root server from the natural OpenDNS? Beware of the change when your brain is free from HOSTS file enslavement - for you could find that the natural Slashdot has been destroyed!!

FROM -> Man - how many times have I dusted you in tech debates that you have decided to troll me by ac posts for MONTHS now, OR IMPERSONATING ME AS YOU DID HERE and you were caught in it by myself & others here, only to fail each time as you have here?)...

So long nummynuts, sorry to have to kick your nuts up into your head verbally speaking.

cower in my shadow some more, feeb. you're completely pathetic.


* :)

Ac trolls' "BIG FAIL" (quoted): Eat your words!

P.S.=> That's what makes me LAUGH harder than ANYTHING ELSE on this forums (full of "FUD" spreading trolls) - When you hit trolls with facts & truths they CANNOT disprove validly on computing tech based grounds, this is the result - Applying unjustifiable downmods to effetely & vainly *try* to "hide" my posts & facts/truths they extoll!

Hahaha... lol , man: Happens nearly every single time I post such lists (proving how ineffectual these trolls are), only showing how solid my posts of that nature are...

That's the kind of martial arts [] I practice.


Disproof of all apk's statements:


RECENT POST LINKS: [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] [] []

KDevelop 4.5 Released (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568123)


But can you click into a control in a form
and have a code edit window pop up,
or click into a control code window and have
the control graphic or form pop up so you can
continue editing the form or control properties ??

Just like Visual Studio had back in VS5 ??
and is in all the VS IDEs today ?

The linux IDE's really REALLY need this to get noobee
programmers interested, and even some intermediates to
work more with linux code. This is a long standing issue.

Which is why I still use VS6 (Basic) for many basic tasks
using simple forms and which clients want to have. It's
called RAD (rapid Application Development ).

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568473)

QtCreator exists.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (3, Informative)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43568517)

And so does QML. AD doesn't get much more R than that.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43570839)

AD doesn't get much more R than that.

Active Directory?

Oh! sorry about that, my mistake, I was still on the state of mind of the GP post. I know what you meant by AD now...

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43571679)

It is a matter of efficiency at context switching

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

dille82 (1496865) | about a year ago | (#43579523)

Once in a while I have tried KDevelop to make GUI programs with C/C++, but it feels clumsy. Recently I have used QtCreator, and I'm very happy with it. I think it's currently the best RAD tool in Linux (what I have tried) to develop GUI applications

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43568577)

A Linux equivalent of VS is eclipse. It is used by many big corporations. So yes, "Wake up and smell the coffee" ;-) []

More seriously and objectively; how does Kdevelop compares to VS and eclipse or other modern IDE ?

I had never heard of Kdevelop before although I am using KDE right now. This post got me curious about Kdevelop but I am too lazy to install it and test it out at this point. Could anybody with real life experience answer my question about how it compares to VS and eclipse for example ?

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (5, Informative)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43568627)

I use Eclipse for Android development, and KDevelop for everything else. A few years ago, I made a short comparison (here [] , check out the screenshots). It has great code completion and code coloring. KDevelop only supports C++ and recently Python, and QML is planned to join them soon.

In the end, it really depends on what you use it for. Eclipse has good integration with Android SDK, so I use it for that. KDevelop works great with CMake and Git. For reading C, C++ or Python code, KDevelop is by far the best option.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568921)

A few years ago, I made a short comparison (here [] , check out the screenshots).

You could have used the words "short comparison" for the link, but for no reason you created the word "here" just for the link. Tim Berners-Lee aches...

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0, Offtopic)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#43568983)

You could have avoided posting all together, since you have nothing to add to the discussion.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43569807)

Oh, bravo. Next time just let those with mod points do their job, instead of adding an even more off-topic reply that'll just lead to the AC getting even more views he otherwise wouldn't have had.

And yes, I am aware of the irony of my own post, thanks. Posting AC to avoid compounding parent's error.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

icebike (68054) | about a year ago | (#43570575)

At least the parent (me) had the courage of his conviction.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43572137)

It's not an even more offtopic reply, it's a slightly less offtopic reply. AC was so offtopic it was arguing about a theoretical model of how embedded URLs should be used in re. whole internet ettiquette, and icebike was only offtopic enough to argue about about a rule of polite conduct that also has real world applicability. You are even less offtopic than icebike, as your post is at least specific to slashdot's system. I would be about as offtopic as you, but I'll go a little further off by pointing out you used the word irony correctly, and not in a Morrissetian sense. The next poster should (statistically) miss this and post a lengthy screed about Rain on Wedding Days.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#43569031)

KDevelop3 was a good development environment. It supported many languages. KDevelop4, last I checked, supported C++ and C. If that's all you need, it may be a decent environment.

OTOH, even KDevelop3 was oriented to Qt. If you wanted a different GUI library it was an uphill battle. (Not necessarily a hard one, but you were swimming upstream.) With KDevelop4 I'm not sure you have any alternatives, but I'll admit I didn't check carefully, as my development isn't focused around C/C++ ... largely because they don't handle Unicode well. So I tend to use D or Python or Ruby or even Java. Each have their drawbacks and their strengths.

P.S.: My C has gotten so rusty that it would be a struggle to resurrect it, and C++ has changed so much since I used it significantly that it's hardly the same language. So I haven't much basis to evaluate KDevelop4 for other users...except to say that if you aren't using C or C++ it's probably not worth looking at, and if you aren't using the Qt libraries, expect a bit of a struggle.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

KugelKurt (908765) | about a year ago | (#43586441)

KDevelop3 was a good development environment. It supported many languages. KDevelop4, last I checked, supported C++ and C.

Syntax highlighting for a huge amount of languages is inherited from Kate/KWrite.
For everything beyond that KDevelop uses plugins. These are available: [] []

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43570609)

Totally opinion. Eclipse is also great at C,C++ and python. So say I, (just like you did) . Install CDT and the Python plugin and you're set, it's reasonably easy to set up cmake and just about any other build environment.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

johnsnails (1715452) | about a year ago | (#43571077)

It mentions PHP
Although might only be rudimentary []

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43571969)

No, PHP support is alright. It's the language that is crap.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43573807)

Yeah to me kdevelop has always just been a shitty clone of eclipse. Nothing beats Quanta 3.5 for PHP...still...sadly

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (2, Interesting)

StormReaver (59959) | about a year ago | (#43568723)

Could anybody with real life experience answer my question about how it compares to VS and eclipse for example ?

This is my own opinion, and others' opinions may differ. I used KDevelop a lot when I was doing C++ programming in the KDE 3.x years.

It managed to save my entire project once, when I did something really stupid (outside of KDevelop) which destroyed most of the source files in my project. I had no version control back then, but KDevelop had a complete copy of my project in memory. I was able to re-save all of my source files from with KDevelop to reconstruct my project -whew-.

That said, my comparison is like this (for C++ only):

Visual Studio (it is one of the few things Microsoft does well).
KDevelop (because it had/has at least a primitive form of GUI builder integration).
Eclipse (last because it does not have a GUI builder at all).

KDevelop's gdb integration was hit and miss at the best of times, making it almost unusable for testing applications. It's GUI building capabilities were primitive at the best of times, and it created a gawd-awful mess of autoconf crap in the project tree. It was a wrapper around the very poor C++ development tools available for Linux, doing almost everything badly. It was generally easier to do C++ programming with makefiles, text editors, and the command line.

I have no idea how it performs with KDE 4.x, as it took an eternity for the KDevelop writers to rewrite it for KDE 4. The Qt 3 to 4 transition disaster is largely what pushed me back to Java, with its stable API's and massively improved performance as of Project Mustang.

I switched back to Java several years ago because desktop programming under Linux is absolutely horrendous. None of the Linux IDE's that support C++ are any good at all for desktop programming. KDevelop sucks at it, QtCreator sucks at it, Netbeans sucks at it, everything sucks at at.

For desktop Java development, though, Netbeans is far and away the single best IDE available on Linux. Eclipse is is a non-starter because, again, it lacks any kind of meaningful GUI builder integration.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (3, Informative)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#43569935)

Google bought the product WindowBuilder, which is a pretty nice visual UI builder. Good Guy Google then open sourced it and donated it to the Eclipse Foundation: []

So you may want to check out the new Eclipse release. :)

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43570645)

Any coder who loses more than a few hours worth of work because of an IDE is an idiot, even in those days. You may have manually had to back up but it was enough enough to have an automated script that would come and zip up your project into an archive every so often, even when I was young and stupid I knew that much 15 years ago.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43570869)

Well, that's interesting. I have a similar principle. Cut and paste if takes less than 1/2 an hour, otherwise write a script to do that the job for you even if you only use that script once.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

pwizard2 (920421) | about a year ago | (#43571281)

Nowadays we have proper source control so it's easy to commit changes and revert to a prior iteration if you break something. As far as backup goes, I use Github as my first line of defense because it's accessable from everywhere and cloning/syncing the latest codebase between machines is trivial. Github isn't going away anytime soon so it's relatively safe to rely on but I still create tarball backups and store them on my computer and offsite. The only downside of using old-fashioned tarballs as backup is that you eventually end up with a directory full of redundant archives (containing ancient code) that you're probably never going to use again. Source control is just better.

Linux Desktop Development has Gotten Much Better (2)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about a year ago | (#43571433)

Eclipse tries really hard to have good C++ support. I'm using Indigo still (I think), on my workstation. It does a few things well, but some of the automatic warning/error detection is bad bad bad...

As far as GUI editing, Qt's Creator is actually pretty great. Curious how it will integrate QtQuick going forward. As someone else pointed out, Eclipse actually has really good GUI editing capabilities for Java now, thanks to Google.

So, yeah. I think Eclipse + Plugins (and Qt Creator) is plenty sufficient for development on Linux. Is it as good as Visual Studio on Windows? No. But I'd MUCH rather develop a GUI-based desktop application for Linux using Qt 4.x than ever having to deal with Swing... and GridBag [] ...

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43575193)

For desktop Java development, though, Netbeans is far and away the single best IDE available on Linux. Eclipse is is a non-starter because, again, it lacks any kind of meaningful GUI builder integration.

IntelliJ IDEA is much better than NetBeans.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43568735)

When you said equivalent you made it clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Eclipse doesn't compare to VS any more than pico does.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (3, Funny)

jhdsl (74051) | about a year ago | (#43568945)

That is unfair. VS is almost as good as pico.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43571047)

True, Pine is my everyday email program. Very powerful with very complex and advanced configuration possibilities.

Now, the funny thing; If I remember correctly, Pine uses pico as its default editor. It sure feels like pico anyways.

P.S. I am dead serious about using pine, I swear I am not lying this time ;-)

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

marcovje (205102) | about a year ago | (#43568585)

Have a look at Lazarus. It's look and feel is pretty close to Delphi (and still improving/getting closer)

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#43569037)

IIUC, Lazarus is limited to Pascal. (You did, admittedly, compare it to Delphi, so you already indicated that, but it should be made explicit.)

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (2)

caseih (160668) | about a year ago | (#43569047)

Sure but which toolkit do you stick in the IDE's designer? Even on Windows there are half a dozen UI apis people use. Even Microsoft uses a different one for each Office release, it seems.

KDevelop is a C and C++ IDE, not an MFC IDE, or a WinForms IDE. Or even a Qt IDE. In the olden days it used to have a GUI designer built into it, but that was removed some time ago, because Qt Designer (now Qt Creator) provided a much better GUI design tool that could be used in conjunction with KDevelop.

With most people going towards imperative GUIs (Qt Quick is a good example), it makes more sense to leave the UI designer as its own app. Code generation isn't done anymore, really, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to integrate it into the code IDE in the manner you suggest.

As far as well-integrated open-source IDEs go, Qt Creator is actually a lot of what you seem to be looking for an in an open source VS replacement.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

caseih (160668) | about a year ago | (#43571321)

Doh. Make that "declarative" GUI design, not imperative which is the old-fashioned way of doing it with code generation.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about a year ago | (#43573469)

Even Microsoft used to do this - original WPF development (and other design work) was done in Expression Blend. They only scrapped that idea and merged the functionality to VS quite recently.

Maybe the point is that a tool to do specialised work isn't what people want, so the FOSS crowd need to decide: do they have a single IDE that does "everything" (eg eclipse?) or a lot of tools that do a single thing well that can hook together.

Maybe the individual tools idea works for the command line because the interface between them is so well defined, and wouldn't work well for GUI tools because there isn't such tight integration available.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43569861)

It's interesting how many vociferous reactions there
are from people who didn't read the post. Which was
all but one.

NO, Eclipse doesn't do the simple function requested.
Yes, I tried kdevelop when qt (designer ) was semi-integrated.

Read the request. And keep wondering why more people
don't develop using linux tools. These tools are THE gateway
to attracting developers ( especially new ones ) while the older
ones are retiring.

I use the right tool for the right job.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | about a year ago | (#43570459)

Been doing a lot of Java development lately (for work)--NetBeans has a decent GUI editor and runs perfectly fine on Linux.

Re:KDevelop 4.5 Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43576397)

Why would anyone who cares about Linux want the laughable amateurs that need a point and click interface to "program"?

Kool, Kdevelop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568197)

So what you have here is Kdevelop the Konqueror presiding over the Kadaver of KDE. Kompletely Kool. And Gnobody Kares!

C++ (-1, Flamebait)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43568333)

I stopped with C++ a long time ago. I find it hard to care.

C and assembly for low level stuff
System Verilog/VHDL for real work
Python [or your choice of modern language] for higher level programming.

I though most other people in the same boat (except for the HDLs maybe). Come back when you've release a better python IDE.

Re:C++ (0)

gwjgwj (727408) | about a year ago | (#43568359)

So, in what language would you write a compiler?

Re:C++ (2)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year ago | (#43568375)

So, in what language would you write a compiler?


Re:C++ (1)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about a year ago | (#43569019)

So, in what language would you write a compiler?


And it's already been done (check paper P09 by Alfonseca in 1998 [] .

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568395)

Don't feed the troll(/idiot?).

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568417)

Not that I agree with the GP, but you could write a compiler in Python.
Even Python interpreter should be OK but pointless :-).

Re:C++ (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43568477)

True, I wrote a small C compiler for embedded devices using turbo-pascal back then. Same concept as compiling for a different target platform, you just produce executable machine code for whatever target and you can use any language on any platform to do that.

Re:C++ (1)

ls671 (1122017) | about a year ago | (#43572109)

Hell, you can even write the machine code by hand without any platform or language, on a piece of paper or whatever, which I have done as part of an assignment.

Re:C++ (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43568613)

>So, in what language would you write a compiler?

The last one I wrote was in Python, but the job would dictate the tool more than the other way around. This was to program an on chip executable dfx structure designed by me for an on chip circuit designed by me. So I'm the only person in the world that knows the language or the assembly and I'm the only person who would use said compiler. Lets hope I don't get hit by a bus, because I've got a shitload of documentation to write.

I don't think most compilers people write these days are complete. Usually you want to bolt a new front, end or middle onto an existing compiler chain. Modularity is good.

Re:C++ (2)

greg1104 (461138) | about a year ago | (#43569225)

TECO. In between rounds of yelling at the kids on my lawn that they don't understand what Turing complete means.


Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43571421)

obviously ;)

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43571457)

So, in what language would you write a compiler?


Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568451)

Mos people are like that.

Except professional software developers.

Re:C++ (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year ago | (#43568491)

Kdevelop supports python. This new version supports it even better.

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568573)

Does that count as a Pro or a Con ? :-)

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568773)

This new version? The latest stable is 1.4.1 but that doesn't even compile right now for me (possibly compiles against older kdev?).

There is 1.4.90 that should be beta or rc:

Do you mean that?

I just compiled it and it seems to work okay, at least the second time I started it. The first time, it just did nothing.

Kdevelop really needs some error reporting in the GUI. And kdevelop-python needs less debug output on the console.

Re:C++ (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a year ago | (#43569253) [] I guess its not released as stable yet, my understanding from reading about the release was that it was. I have been using kdevelop as my python editor for a while. Haven't tried the new release yet. I tend to stick to the versions my distro provides updates for.

Re:C++ (1)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#43569059)

KDevelop3 supported Python. When i've tried to use KDevelop4, it has NOT supported Python. Perhaps that's just the Debian repository version, but I haven't seen any prior indication that this is the case. The evidence that I've seen is that KDevelop4 supports C and C++ and that's it.

Re:C++ (1)

SomeKDEUser (1243392) | about a year ago | (#43572595)

New in this version is precisely overhauled and improved support of Python...

Re:C++ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43573951)

Python support is implemented as a plugin and you need to install it seperately (C++ support is a plugin too but is shipped with KDevelop). The version of python support compatible with 4.5 will need a few more days, it'll be released next week.

Re:C++ (2)

rroman (2627559) | about a year ago | (#43568503)

With Qt, C++ is language that is quite hard to replace - pretty fast, very portable, very powerful and quite convenient for the developer.

Sorry, but... (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43568475)

... I'd rather have a framework- and technology-neutral development environment.

Re:Sorry, but... (4, Insightful)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43568535)

I don't see how KDevelop is not framework-neutral. And I have no idea what you mean by technology-neutral.

OS dependent? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#43569479)

I am curious about one thing. KDevelop - does it use gcc or llvm/clang as its backend compiler? Or is it something that exists on KDE independent of the underlying OS?

Re:OS dependent? (1)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43571991)

KDevelop doesn't use a compiler directly. Usually, you point it to a Makefile or CMakeLists, and choose the compiler there.

Re:Sorry, but... (1)

marcovje (205102) | about a year ago | (#43568883)

So you want a DE, not an IDE ? Integration is not possible without choices.

You'll end up with a glorified editor which integration pretty much is limited to calling external commands

Re:Sorry, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43569277)

So you want a DE, not an IDE ? Integration is not possible without choices.

You'll end up with a glorified editor which integration pretty much is limited to calling external commands

Choice of frameworks has nothing to do with it. Limited to calling external commands is fine. The "I" in "IDE" stands for "Integrated", meaning that the development environment includes editor, debugger and build system functionality, though often enough the latter two are external but ... INTEGRATED as so that they are called by the development environment.

Perhaps one needs to be older to remember what it was like when there was no integration at all?

Re:Sorry, but... (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about a year ago | (#43569627)

C-x M-c M-butterfly ?

Qt Creator. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43568543)

Qt Creator is so far ahead of Kdevelop its not even funny. If people want to be productive, using KDevelop is sadly not feasible. It never really was, even back then when it started I used C++ Builder and Visual Studio 6, both ran circles around Kdevelop, and quite frankly any OSS solution. Now I am a bit older and not as scared of makefiles and so on, but there is no OSS RAD IDE out there, fact. Qt Creator is close, and I prefer this over Visual Studio, even on windows and its better than XCode too.

I just wish the linux world could conform to one gui toolkit so we could have nice tools, instead of half assed solutions for each one. It smells of NIH in the linux world.

Re:Qt Creator. (5, Informative)

Noughmad (1044096) | about a year ago | (#43568595)

Have you even tried KDevelop since version 4? Or, in the proud KDE tradition, something after 4.2?

QtCreator has some additional integration for pure Qt projects, such as qmake and QML. On the other hand, KDevelop has far superior completion, and even code coloring. Not just syntax, but every variable and function has its own color. For me, this is the killer feature that only KDevelop has, and I find it very very hard to read code without it. I tried some newer versions of VS, Eclipse and QtCreator, but none of them have coloring, and none of them have completion comparable to KDevelop.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about a year ago | (#43569537)

VS and Xcode dominate their respective platforms, obviously.

Eclipse grew out of a Java IDE to become something of a universal platform. The env for Java excels but 'foreign' languages not to the same level of polish. (e.g. I've tinkered with scala and jruby)

So yeah, more power to an IDE tailored to getting the fundamentals of barebones C++/KDE done well.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

xtracto (837672) | about a year ago | (#43570201)

I always liked DevCPP and later Code::Blocks. KDevelop seemed very buggy as it crashed very often, and it also felt very resource hungry (and you needed a lot of clicks to start a project or program.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43574551)

Eclipse sucks for EVERY language. It's a broken pile of non-performing shit that needs to be wiped out of existence.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43573529)

Not just syntax, but every variable and function has its own color.

Wait, so it's not even colored by identifier type, but they just assign each identifier a unique color? Barf.

A touch of color is useful for select elements. Anything more starts to look like a rainbow and adds more noise then signal.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43573899)

And obviously you're perfectly competent to judge this without even looking at KDev's highlighting implementation for a split-second.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43573997)

I searched for screenshots before commenting, so you're wrong. And obviously instead of saying how I was wrong in my assessment, you just bashed my opinion as unfounded. Typical Anonymous Coward remark.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43574305)

We do not assign each identifier a random color. We only do that for scope-local variables. Everything else, such as functions, classes or class members is colored by identifier type. If you had looked at the screenshot you googled for more than a split-second, you would have noticed that.
The highlighting is very well thought out, and there is no point in arguing about it if you haven't tried it for at least a week. I know you can't judge it, because there's lots of people which complain about it when they start using KDevelop but after a while they don't want to miss it any more. Also, if you don't want it, you can turn it off easily (you can even turn off the rainbow color part seperately from the other one which highlights stuff by identifier types).

You were spreading misinformation about something which was very, very easy to find out, so I didn't see a reason to lengthily explain what I disliked about your comment. I simply despise comments which explain what is bad about an appliction where it is obvious that the person writing the comment has not once used the application.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43574483)

We only do that for scope-local variables.

That's bad enough.

The highlighting is very well thought out, and there is no point in arguing about it if you haven't tried it for at least a week.

I've already trimmed down my color usage to a very small number because I did not like the rainbow effect based on months of experience with standard colorization in IDEs, and I already have mark occurrences in Eclipse, so no, I do not need to try it for a week.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43575165)

So, your point is actually "I don't like colors". Fine. Turn them off. How is that a reason to grump about KDevelop's syntax highlighting?

I just don't get what you wanted to achieve with your comment. You complained that a feature which you didn't try, and which is completely optional will not be useful for you. Duh. That's really interesting stuff.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43575917)

So, your point is actually "I don't like colors".

No, my point is I only like a limited set of colors, and they have to pull their weight, which other people may agree with.

How is that a reason to grump about KDevelop's syntax highlighting?

Because it was claimed that the KDevelop syntax coloring feature was both superior and unique. The mark occurrences feature in Eclipse accomplishes a similar purpose without adding to the rainbow effect.

I just don't get what you wanted to achieve with your comment.

Maybe if you weren't playing KDevelop defender and tried to see things from my point of view it wouldn't be so hard.

You complained that a feature which you didn't try

Yet I saw what it looked like, and had experience with other busy color schemes in the past, and used an alternative option instead.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43576133)

> No, my point is I only like a limited set of colors, and they have to pull their weight, which other people may agree with.
Fair enough. Just set the appropriate option.

> Because it was claimed that the KDevelop syntax coloring feature was both superior and unique.
There is no arguing about it being unique -- it is. There is no other application with that feature.

> The mark occurrences feature in Eclipse accomplishes a similar purpose without adding to the rainbow effect.
KDevelop also has "mark occurences", and I find myself using it for a different purpose. The rainbow colors are useful because you can roughly tell the data flow in a method without even reading a single character, just by looking at the colors. Which, in my experience, with a bit of patience, is way faster than clicking every variable ot mark its occurences or reading the code.
Of course you can use "mark occurences" to achieve something similar, but it will take you much more time. But if you like, you can turn off rainbow colors and use "mark occurences".

> Maybe if you weren't playing KDevelop defender and tried to see things from my point of view it wouldn't be so hard.
I tried but I honestly didn't succeed. You wrote:
> Wait, so it's not even colored by identifier type, but they just assign each identifier a unique color? Barf.
which is just FUD. It's neither correct, nor is there any valuable opinion or reasoning contained in the statement.

> Yet I saw what it looked like, and had experience with other busy color schemes in the past, and used an alternative option instead.
It's all right if you prefer it like this. It might still be a good idea to acknowledge that people have been thinking about this coloring scheme, and that there's a lot of people to whom it is useful.

To me, your comment seemed like a typical "I'm using another IDE anyways and I'm sure it's superior [which is ok], so let's just leave a random comment about why this one is crap here [which is not]" post. I hate that, and I don't do it myself either, that's why I replied. It is obvious that you're not even remotely interested in the appliction, but still you're posting negative comments about it. What's the point?

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43576347)

The rainbow colors are useful because you can roughly tell the data flow in a method without even reading a single character, just by looking at the colors. Which, in my experience, with a bit of patience, is way faster than clicking every variable ot mark its occurences or reading the code.

This is at least an informative argument instead of your past several comments.

There is no arguing about it being unique -- it is. There is no other application with that feature.

My argument was that a similar purpose could be accomplished with mark occurrences. You have at least addressed that argument now.

which is just FUD. It's neither correct, nor is there any valuable opinion or reasoning contained in the statement.

I was basing my statement off the "+5 Informative" comment from Noughmad and a quick look at screenshots to verify: "every variable and function has its own color", so your classification as FUD is an ad hominem character attack on your part. As for the reasoning, that was in the very next sentence, which you ignored: "A touch of color is useful for select elements. Anything more starts to look like a rainbow and adds more noise then signal."

It is obvious that you're not even remotely interested in the appliction, but still you're posting negative comments about it. What's the point?

I'm interested in IDEs and features, which is why I checked out this article in the first place. Even Eclipse will give you a color scheme that's way too busy by default, so my comment was really about the touted feature and the overuse of colors in IDEs. Counter-arguments, such as code flow that you mentioned, are much better than somebody over-reacting because I criticized their baby.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43576781)

Functions don't have rainbow colors.

> so my comment was really about the touted feature and the overuse of colors in IDEs.
Although I personally do not agree with it, this is indeed a valid point to make and it would have been a totally fine comment. But compare the way you presented your argument here with your first comment.

I classified (and I still do) your first statement as FUD, because
a) it contained "barf" which is not something you can write in an acceptable critic statement -- it sounds like "wow, look at how stupid this is"
b) the information it was "barf"ing about was totally wrong, it was "they just assign each identifier a unique color" which is not the case. The coloring works something like this:
* Objects of type Class / Struct, Enum (the values and the type), (global) functions, and class members each have their own color assigned (classes are green, enums are dark red, and members are dark yellow or violet, (global) functions are always violet).
* All global variables are dark green.
* Objects which are typedefs for another type are colored in teal.
* All declarations and definitions of objects are in bold.
* If a member is accessed from within the context where it is defined (base or derived class) it appears in yellow, otherwise it appears in violet. Example application: quickly spot if and where a member function modifies or uses class members.
* If a member is private or protected, it gets colored in a slightly darker color. Example application: easily spot whether you can actually access the member you just wrote down.
* For variables local to a function body scope, (if enabled) rainbow colors are picked based on a hash of the identifier. This includes the parameters to the function. An identifier always will have the same color within its scope (but the same identifier will get a different color if it represents a different object, i.e. if it is redefined in a more nested scope), and you will usually get the same color for the same identifier name in different scopes. Thus, if you have multiple functions taking arguments with the same names, the arguments will all look the same color-wise. These rainbow colors can be turned off seperately from the global coloring. For both types of coloring, the saturation of the colors can be controlled. Example application: quickly spot the data flow of the code, especially where function parameters are being used, and things like "is any of those five local variables used anywhere below this point".
* Undefined identifiers are colored in white. This is very useful, since it gives sort of a "positive feedback": everything that is not white is most likely (at least semantically) correct code.
* In addition to that coloring, the normal editor syntax highlighting will be applied, which will e.g. print control flow statements in bold and strings in red.

With a little practice, you can read an incredible amount of information from the coloring without even moving your mouse or cursor.
Thus, I consider the statement "every identifier gets a random color" to be spreading misinformation about the application, since that's just not what it does.

Oh also, the highlighting code is shared between languages and is thus consistent between C++, python, ruby and PHP -- if you have remembered the colors once, they apply for all supported languages.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43576991)

it contained "barf"

That's an expression of a negative opinion of something I find ugly. There's nothing wrong with it in a casual context as I backed it up, and it definitely isn't "FUD", as in misleading propaganda.

the information it was "barf"ing about was totally wrong

For it to be FUD it would have to be an intent on my part to spread wrong information. I was clear in my post that I was asking a question, and furthermore, I was basing my information on what the "+5 Informative" guy said about it, as I quoted. This is the basis for a back and forth where you can describe the technical merits and correct wrong information, as you've done in your last two posts, instead of attacking in an ad hominem fashion and assuming "FUD" on my part.

With a little practice, you can read an incredible amount of information from the coloring without even moving your mouse or cursor.

I appreciate the writeup, and it would make a good reference article for the website if it isn't already there. Since I'm not the only person who has had this initial negative response, it would make sense that you could point them to URL that made a good case for it.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579165)

> I was clear in my post that I was asking a question
If that is your idea of a question, then I'm happy I don't have to deal with your questions more often. For the record, a question would have been:
"I can't imagine the rainbow color highlighting will be useful. Could someone explain how it works exactly?"
That's just the basics of respectful communication.

I have put the highlighting explanation into the manual: []

I also wrote an article about other myths which are being spread here ("kdev3 was far better", "it's not 'framework neutral'", "it's slow/hogging memory"...): []

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43579203)

If that is your idea of a question, then I'm happy I don't have to deal with your questions more often.

Welcome to Slashdot, where the comments are harsh, but it's just a microcosm of real-world reaction when something seems like crap based on previous experience. As a developer having a thick skin and some patience can help.

I have put the highlighting explanation into the manual

I'm glad something useful came out of this.

Re:Qt Creator. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43578761)

adds more noise then signal.

So it adds noise, and after that it adds signal?

Or did you mean more noise THAN signal?

Come on, this is an article about writing code and you're not even taking care to write English code correctly. Compiler barfs at your input.

Re:Qt Creator. (1)

Raenex (947668) | about a year ago | (#43573547)

For me, this is the killer feature that only KDevelop has, and I find it very very hard to read code without it.

I should add that Eclipse has a way of highlighting uses of a particular variable that doesn't result in the rainbow overload. Just click on the variable name and it will automatically mark all occurrences for you.

Let me know when it works on Windows (3, Interesting)

goruka (1721094) | about a year ago | (#43569853)

KDE people makes awesome apps but it's too hard to get them working on windows. I used to use KDevelop a lot for C/C++, but having to constantly switch computers/places/OSs to develop (depending on the target platform), makes QtCreator the only IDE I can really use..

I have the feeling that nobody here... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43570115)

...really understands the power of KDevelop. The best feature of KDevelop is that it is built around the best GUI editor ever invented - Kate. Seriously, a Linux developer needs nothing more than a very good text editor and access to unix shell and commandline tools. KDevelop, as every good IDE, goes futher and besides the superb editor, provides support for projects, autocompletion, debugger integration and so on.
I have used KDevelop for many of my C++ projects and despite a couple of bugs, it has been a great tool. In fact, I've yet to see an IDE with better syntax coloring than KDevelop. Another nice feature is that you don't really have to create a KDevelop project to use the IDE - you can open single files in the IDE and it will still provide syntax coloring and autocompletion. These two things have been the killer features for me and I would not change KDevelop for anything that doesn't provide as much.

Re:I have the feeling that nobody here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43573871)

Well, it's rather obvious that half of the commenters have never used KDevelop, and the other half has last used it ten years ago when it was totally different from what it is now.
Just ignore comments on slashdot altogether -- it's your best bet. Most people here like it better to compare KDevelop to their favourite IDEs by telling stories of how unstable it was five years ago, or how bad KDE did with the 4.0 release rather than trying the new release and writing stuff which actually matters for this release as such.

Re:I have the feeling that nobody here... (1)

jmv (93421) | about a year ago | (#43586663)

KDevelop 3 was indeed pretty nice and I used it for a while. But then -- like too many OSS projects these days -- developers decided it'd be much better if they rewrote it. The result is that version 3 stagnated for a long time and when KDevelop 4 was finally ready, it ditched support for many features, including autoconf/automake which I used for all my projects. That's when I switched to Eclipse/CDT and I've been happy with it since then.

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