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Pirates of the Caribbean: the Pirate Bay Moves To Island of Sint Maarten

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the arrr-me-hearties dept.

The Internet 108

New submitter coolnumbr12 writes "For the second time in a week, The Pirate Bay has found a new home for its popular torrent website. A complaint issued Tuesday by Swedish prosecutors threated the Icelandic domain, forcing the file-sharing pirates to take harbor in the Caribbean island of Sint Maarten with a new .sx domain name. 'Control of the island, which has just 78,000 residents, is split between France and the Netherlands. Around 41,000 live on the Dutch side and 37,000 on the French. ... Even if the court grants the prosecutor’s request it remains to be seen how effective any seizures will be. Time and again the BitTorrent site has responded by relocating to new domains.'"

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Whats really amazing. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597763)

Is they hop around the world with almost no downtime at all.
Even the best sites that we PAY for can barely manage to do simple upgrades and changes and say the same..

are they really moveing or it is some kind of quic (3, Insightful)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43597795)

are they really moving or it is some kind of quick DNS thing?

Re:are they really moveing or it is some kind of q (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597851)

It's more of a KLM thing, here are the pirates landing at St. Maarten...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCIJ0F62og4 [youtube.com]

Re:are they really moveing or it is some kind of q (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43598035)

Everything and nothing changes...

Interrupting all programmers
This is radio clash from pirate satellite
Orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights
Cuban army surplus or refusing all third lights
This is radio clash on pirate satellite

This sound does not subscribe to the international plan
In the psycho shadow of the white right hand
Then that see ghettology as an urban Vietnam
Giving deadly exhibitions of murder by napalm

This is radio clash tearing up the seven veils
This is radio clash please save us, not the whales
This is radio clash underneath a mushroom cloud
This is radio clash, you don't need that funeral shroud (Why play?)

Forces have been looting, my humanity
Curfews have been curbing the end of liberty

Hands of law have sorted through my identity
But now this sound is brave and wants to be free, anyway to be free

This is radio clash on pirate satellite

This is not free Europe
Nor an armed force network
This is radio clash using audio ammunition
This is radio clash can we get that world to listen
This is radio clash using aural ammunition
This is radio clash can we get that world to listen?
This is radio clash on pirate satellite
(This is radio clash) Orbiting your living room cashing in the bill of rights
This is radio clash on pirate satellite
This is radio clash everybody hold on tight
(This is radio clash) A-riggy diggy dig dang, dang
(This is radio clash) Go back to urban 'Nam

Re: are they really moveing or it is some kind of (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43598491)

Just a domain change (.sx), presumably. A new domain can be registered and active within afew minutes.

Downtime is usually due to a server/script issue, not propagation, in my experiences...but is that a bad sign?!

Re:Whats really amazing. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597927)

lots of practice, and the systems are designed to move.

Re:Whats really amazing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597989)

Given TPB's ongoing issues, there are a couple of ways for a sysadmin in their position to act to minimize the downtime.

(1) Have at least one reserve site prepped at all times. I.e. when they're on site A, don't wait for it to be shut down -- immediately set up site B. Leave it almost complete but disabled so it doesn't attract attention. When A is shut down, enable B and immediately set up site C. Extra points for having more than one site in reserve. I'm sure they're doing this. It's the only sane way to manage this kind of a transition.

(2) Utilize hosting providers with fully automated management tools. These let you automatically provision a standard VM without human intervention on the provider's side. Just pay and go.

Re:Whats really amazing. (5, Informative)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#43598021)

Is they hop around the world with almost no downtime at all.
Even the best sites that we PAY for can barely manage to do simple upgrades and changes and say the same..

The only thing that moved, is where it's domain name is at. the servers are in the "cloud" they don't need to move, and if they did, they can do it no problem. But all this is just about domain name changes.

Re:Whats really amazing. (3, Insightful)

dintech (998802) | about a year ago | (#43598769)

Here in the UK the main domain has been blocked by the major ISPs several months ago. Immediately there were no end of proxy alternative domains by which to get access to the same content, no one particular domain really matters at all. I think it's cute that they keep going after the main domain. It keeps them distracted while the main event is going on elsewhere.

Re:Whats really amazing. (5, Interesting)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43598081)

Even the best sites that we PAY for can barely manage to do simple upgrades and changes and say the same..

That's because the biggest threat to any company has never been natural disaster, but government intervention. You can protect against everything but a corrupt government with a desire to seize all of your infrastructure. It started with Steve Jackson Games; It continues to this day. Every day, dozens of corporations are rendered extinct due to seizures by the government... and lacking the ability to continue to conduct business, they lack income, and thus there is no legal challenge mounted. The only businesses that can survive, are those who go multinational, hide their money in secret accounts, and bury themselves in a complex and dense legal framework that makes easy elimination by the government difficult.

All of that costs a lot of money. The pirate bay, on the other hand, doesn't have to worry about that. They don't have to pretend to be "legit", so the operating costs are quite low, and redundancy quite easy. And as they're showing... once you pass a threshold, you can become a criminal organization that the government can't touch, at least as long as your assets are entirely digital and distributed across many jurisdictions.

It is a model I expect more small businesses, legitimate and otherwise, to do more often. It's the only reasonable reaction to a corrupted government... let alone over a hundred of them, all corrupted to varying degrees.

same as for wikileaks financial blockade (4, Informative)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43598343)

re: You can protect against everything but a corrupt government with a desire to seize all of your infrastructure.

.
Amen to that. That's exactly what happened to Wikileaks and the financial blockade forced by the USA government. A little protection racket talk against Visa and Mastercard ("nice little business and cash flow you've got there. You wouldn't want to forfeit all of it by continuing to provide processing and money access to some punks like wikileaks, then, would ya?") and suddenly there was no way for Wikileaks to get any donations from anyone. You are so right about corrupt governments. Sad but true.

Re:same as for wikileaks financial blockade (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43603511)

Yes, because the USA is the only country in the world that offers a way to transfer money between two parties.

IF that were actually true, you'd have bigger problems than anything related to Assange.

There are almost 200 countries in the world, yet you blame all your problems on only one of them.

There are multiple trivial ways in multiple countries that the US has no control over that they could use. Its just a whole lot more fun to blame your enemy than to actually make a change.

When you bring up Wikileaks not being able to get money you just show how ignorant you actually are of reality, and more important that you aren't even going to bother putting an even minor amount of critical thought into the process so you could see how retarded of a statement you just made.

Columbian drug dealers move BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and wikileaks can't get funding?

Seriously? Thats your story? Thats what you expect people to believe? Do you not understand why the general public no longer gives a shit about wikileaks? This kind of shit is why, it makes it blindingly clear that wikileaks is just pushing their agenda against specific people. They are EXACTLY WHAT THEY CLAIM TO BE AGAINST, the control information and use it to manipulate other people into forwarding their own political agenda.

Congratulations, you care so much about not being a government tool that you are now just Assange's tool instead. Clearly you're better off than before.

Re:Whats really amazing. (4, Insightful)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#43598677)

It is a model I expect more small businesses, legitimate and otherwise, to do more often. It's the only reasonable reaction to a corrupted government... let alone over a hundred of them, all corrupted to varying degrees.

Corruption or coercion? Many countries simply can't afford to ignore the "wishes" of the US (or China or Russia).

Re:Whats really amazing. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599453)

"I can't afford to represent my constituents." However your guy phrases that, he's strayed.

Re:Whats really amazing. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599883)

You can protect against everything but a corrupt government with a desire to seize all of your infrastructure.

Don't forget that intervention by zealous government agents has been a prime threat to entire industries, such as providers of unsolicited email advertisements and PC online protection. Slashdot readers should be outraged.

Not that amazing, built in. (2, Informative)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year ago | (#43598197)

The whole architecture of the internet is built around decentralized management. If one part fails, other parts take over and people will replace the failing parts with what resources they can get available. "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." -- John Gilmore

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (2)

JockTroll (996521) | about a year ago | (#43598215)

The whole architecture of the internet is built around decentralized management. If one part fails, other parts take over and people will replace the failing parts with what resources they can get available. "The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." -- John Gilmore

Mere wishful thinking. The internet is not a sentient or living being, it doesn't "interpret" anything. It's a communication network with strong redundancy but that's all it is. It will not actively defend itself, it will not resist any attempt to turn it into a surveillance tool. It's simply a bunch of machines and lines. What it does or does not depends entirely on human will, and whose will be exercised. Right now, it's not ours.

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (1)

fredprado (2569351) | about a year ago | (#43598317)

The Internet is more than the infrastructure. It is the sum of the infrastructure and all the agents acting upon it. It may as well be considered a sentient being, although a very schizophrenic one, and as such it does actively resist censorship.

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#43600315)

"The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." -- John Gilmore

It's simply a bunch of machines and lines. What it does or does not depends entirely on human will, and whose will be exercised.

Without us (all of us humans out here using it), that would be correct. You ignore that fact, as do the authorities. If all the torrent trackers and search engines pointing to infringing material were magically shutdown, there'd still be sneakernet. How're you going to stop Samizdat? Even the Soviets couldn't.

Right now, it's not ours.

Yes it is, else TPB would have ceased to exist. It would have disappeared long ago.

What I think is amazing is that all this kafuffle about TPB is over a site that points to stuff. It hosts nothing but links. All of TPB reportedly can fit on a USB key. Yet nation after nation expends vast amounts of energy, time, and resources chasing them from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, no closer to catching or stopping them now than they were a decade ago. All because of copyright enforcement.

Meanwhile, anything that TPB offers can be found via almost any search engine. It's a strange, strange world.

I'd like someone to do a study showing how many domain changes TPB has churned through so far over time vs. the number of possibilities still open to them. I wonder how many centuries this game of cat and mouse (or whackamole) can go on, and we haven't even barely started widely implemented (ie.) OpenNic adoption.

Personally, I boycott. I sure do love to watch this show though.

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (1)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#43598611)

Tne DNS system is anything but decentralized, they're quickly running out of countries that'll give them a DNS address. Yes, there will be entirely different solutions found but without DNS it won't be as easy as simply typing in thepiratebay.[whatever]

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599035)

Tne DNS system is anything but decentralized, they're quickly running out of countries that'll give them a DNS address. Yes, there will be entirely different solutions found but without DNS it won't be as easy as simply typing in thepiratebay.[whatever]

No, but it'll be as easy as googling thepiratebay, which is what people do to find it already.

Until MPAA sends Google an OCILLA notice (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43599827)

it'll be as easy as googling thepiratebay

Only until some movie studio sends Google a notice of claimed infringement under OCILLA. "We found torrents for ten of our most recent DVD releases by typing their titles into this search engine. (Please refer to attached result page screenshots.) These releases are being offered to the public without our permission and in a manner not consistent with fair use. In part because of its history of openly defying notices of claimed infringement, courts in at least one country have found The Pirate Bay guilty or liable of contributory infringement of our copyrights. Google could be just as guilty or liable by continuing to link to The Pirate Bay. So please remove from your index the following domains where The Pirate Bay can be reached."

Re:Until MPAA sends Google an OCILLA notice (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#43600949)

it'll be as easy as googling thepiratebay

Only until some movie studio sends Google a notice of claimed infringement ...

Here's an idea. Google "search engine". Google's not the only one out there. Now the MafiAA has to play whackamole with search engines too. Last I heard, there are still gopher servers running out there. They'll have to slap them into line too. What else?

Re:Not that amazing, built in. (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#43600723)

... they're quickly running out of countries that'll give them a DNS address.

Are they? I haven't seen that. Yeah, they lose domains fairly quickly often, but they're pretty nimble and appear well capable of staying five or so steps ahead of their pursuers.

Yes, there will be entirely different solutions found ...

Such as, ignoring the MafiAA controlled (DHS/ICE) DNS servers? [opennicproject.org]

Re:Whats really amazing. (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about a year ago | (#43601049)

Many of those islands in that region are on a satellite link. Cuba, for instance, a much larger and more heavily populated island, only got a physical landline link (to Venezuela) last year, in late 2012. Prior to that they had three satellite links. The island of Grenada, for example, 400 miles south also uses a satellite link for internet access.

My first time (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597805)

A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-american football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married -- and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.

As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured.

The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerk-off fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.

Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract? I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss.

I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit.

Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my hankerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom. I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

Re:My first time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43603919)

TLDR: eat shit

A Whole Social Movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597823)

That revolves around stealing other people's stuff.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597871)

Yeah, who do they think they are... A goverment or some company? Why the nerve! Filthy pirates!

-Give me a gun and I can rob a bank, give me a bank and I can rob the world.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#43597973)

Yeah, who do they think they are... A goverment or some company? Why the nerve! Filthy pirates!

-Give me a gun and I can rob a bank, give me a bank and I can rob the world.

Give you a position of power and you can rob anything and anyone you want for the most part...

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#43598329)

Give me control of a planet's oxygen supply, and I won't care who runs the banks.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

gratuitous_arp (1650741) | about a year ago | (#43599173)

Give me control of a planet's oxygen supply, and I won't care who runs the banks.

Give me control of the Spice and I'll control the universe.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

Muad'Dave (255648) | about a year ago | (#43599609)

Give me control of the Spice and I'll control the universe.

Harrumph. I believe that _my_ line.

So find a way to monetize it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597993)

It's distribution, and if the copyright holders want money, they should just find a way to monetize it.

e.g.
Track movie torrents
Record IP addresses
Make a website showing what movies your IP address has downloaded
Offer to clear the infringment by paying the fee.
Make one official, agree, trusted payment site
User pays reasonable fee (e.g. $10/DVD, $20 Bluray)
Buy some adds, as they surf show them the movies they've been recorded downloading.
Once you have them as customers, sell them new movies
After a few years start pursing the big infringing ones who haven't signed up

Re:So find a way to monetize it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599423)

So...let them steal it, then be sure you can make an air tight case that they did steal it?

Let's see you apply that theory to your car and your savings.

Don't have a car? Nothing saved?

No wonder you want to steal other people's stuff.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (5, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#43598251)

That revolves around stealing other people's stuff.

Governments?

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

shentino (1139071) | about a year ago | (#43598377)

The only difference between governments and the mafia is that the government just has bigger guns.

And this isn't even sarcasm. In the earlier days of history, Right of Conquest was a legally recoginzed principle of international law.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599095)

Well, that and the fact that you can legally challenge the government, vote for your representatives, and/or run for public office yourself.

With a mafia you simply have violent men telling you what to do. With government you at least have the opportunity to be one of those men.

Re: A Whole Social Movement (1)

malchus842 (741252) | about a year ago | (#43599629)

With government, as with the mafia, you have to be a "made man" to have any power. Otherwise, you are just a soldier working to gain power for others....

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year ago | (#43599209)

The only difference between governments and the mafia is that the government just has bigger guns.

No, the difference is that governments are what stops the mafia from being just another corporation with bigger guns.

Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43600299)

Have you been paying attention to Italy recently?

Last I checked the Mafia *WAS* running the government, as well as being the sole reason they hadn't financially imploded.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599817)

I think you'll be able to find other differences too, if you look at most modern governments. Such as democracy, separation of powers, and a public justice system. I much prefer to be ruled by a democratic government than by a corporation or the mob (which I don't think would be distinguishable by the time they have enough power to become a government). The power structure of the mob (or corporations) if interpreted in the context of a system of government resembles something like fascism.

USA Inc. (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43599849)

I much prefer to be ruled by a democratic government than by a corporation

What is a democratic government other than a corporation whose citizens each hold one share that converts to a voting share at the age of majority? Citizens get to elect the board of directors (called Parliament, Congress, etc.), and in many countries, citizens directly elect the CEO.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599891)

Wow, that's a lot of uninsightful moderation. The only thing that allows you to own something in the first place is the existence of laws and something that can enforce them, i.e. a government. Laws set up rules for what things can be owned, and what it means to own them (e.g. how one can come to own something and how one can lose them). Without that, you don't have property, you only have stuff that somebody stronger hasn't arbitrarily chosen to take yet.

Anarchy is democracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43600855)

Freedom is slavery.

Re:A Whole Social Movement (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#43601011)

... that revolves around copying, distributing and publicizing for free other people's stuff.

FTFY.

Not a bittorrent site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597845)

It's a search engine to torrent sites.

It's like twice removed from the actual copyright infringement. But on the other hand, it *is* famous and if that isn't a good enough reason to shift the infringement twice removed, then what is.

Re:Not a bittorrent site (1)

cffrost (885375) | about a year ago | (#43598177)

It's a search engine to torrent sites.

It's not, you're describing a torrent meta-search site (e.g., Torrentz [torrentz.eu]). Sites like Torrentz index sites like TPB and KAT.

Exactly what Namecoin was designed for... (4, Insightful)

Thantik (1207112) | about a year ago | (#43597859)

I really kinda hoped they'd set up a .bit domain. I know, I know -- a lot of people are thinking "oh the bitcoin hype", but Namecoin is basically calculated off of bitcoin "for free", and it's meant to be a censorship-free domain name system. ThePirateBay needs to setup thepiratebay.bit and utilize namecoin as a censorship-free domain registration option.

Re:Exactly what Namecoin was designed for... (3, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#43597869)

thepiratebay.onion.

Re:Exactly what Namecoin was designed for... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43598581)

this is the logical next step, to be honest i am surprised thatt hey have not simply moved to a onions site and have proxy site for their normal domain sort of like onion.to is. the only problem is that it is hard for you average user to navigate between and discover tor hidden service pages. Tor really needs a distributed dns services. But this may lead to a situation where it would be easy to find the sites real ip addresses; if someone with more in depth knowledge of the tor routing protocols and hidden-service configuration would be so good as to enlighten us i would be most appreciative.

Re:Exactly what Namecoin was designed for... (1)

raxx7 (205260) | about a year ago | (#43603231)

They already did, it's http://jntlesnev5o7zysa.onion/
You can get though a tor2web proxy at https://jntlesnev5o7zysa.tor2web.org/

Re:Exactly what Namecoin was designed for... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597939)

Namecoin is a great idea but lately it seems as if no one is working on it anymore.

tpb in spaaace (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43597917)

given all the wealthy libertarians who rely on this service

how much would it cost to launch an array of microsatellites in non-geosynchronous orbits. that would accept updates from
a signed source of sufficient power, then stream the whole list to an array of ground stations as they sped past

each costing no more than 1k euros, that would announce themselves periodically on a ipv6 multicast channel

i'm almost half serious

pirate ship (5, Funny)

aahpandasrun (948239) | about a year ago | (#43597925)

I like to imagine that the Pirate Bay servers are located on a pirate ship that pulls up anchor and sets sail to another part of the world when they run into legal trouble.

Re:pirate ship (2)

Mox Factor (2911587) | about a year ago | (#43598169)

Would the Exxon Valdez suffice? (and Dennis Hopper at the helm of course)

Re:pirate ship (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43600943)

That'd be quite a feat.

Dennis Hopper died a few years ago.

"Seizures" (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43597935)

. Even if the court grants the prosecutorâ(TM)s request it remains to be seen how effective any seizures will be.

Ineffectual as always. All they're "seizing" is a forwarding address. It's the digital equivalent of seizing an empty PO box. You just open up a new one and continue on your merry.

It's already been proven that the internet routes around censorship... and it does so through peer communication. People who pirate know other people who pirate... and the seven shades of separation and all that ensures that a new address would propagate through social networks in days.

So, how do I put this gently...

Dear Government, You're fucked, now fuck off. Sincerely, The Internet.

Re:"Seizures" (5, Insightful)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#43598011)

It's the digital equivalent of seizing an empty PO box.

What's amusing is that it takes them months of meetings, requests, follow-ups, investigation, more meetings, some additional requests and some more meetings - all costing thousands and thousands and some more thousands.

TPB on the other hand fills in a few little details in a webform for the most part.

Dear Government, You're fucked, now fuck off. Sincerely, The Internet.

I would change that ever so slightly. Dead Big Business, the government is fucked here, stop bothering them already will you? At the end of the day, the governments want happy, content people who have all the access to entertainment they want - after all it makes them more complacent.

Re:"Seizures" (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#43598493)

the governments want happy, content people who have all the access to entertainment they want - after all it makes them more complacent

I don't care how complacent the government is, I still don't give a shit.

Re:"Seizures" (1)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year ago | (#43598563)

No no, the government wants YOU complacent - then they can pretty much do whatever THEY want and you won't whine and complain or worst of all get in their way...

Re:"Seizures" (3, Insightful)

tehcyder (746570) | about a year ago | (#43599249)

Dear Government, You're fucked, now fuck off. Sincerely, The Internet.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have a government in charge than the digital investigative geniuses at 4chan and reddit.

Posted AC for obvious...oh, fuck it, who cares?

Re:"Seizures" (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#43601659)

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have a government in charge than the digital investigative geniuses at 4chan and reddit.

Okay, you're old fashioned. Government agents are armed, the politicians have been bought by deep pocketed special interests, and all are working within a justice system that's been compromised, or corrupted in many people's view. Your "investigative geniuses" at the FBI are manufacturing terrorist plots. The DHS wants to fine services that don't install wiretap backdoors, there are revolving doors between the special interests and government, and the MafiAA has convinced your justice system to prosecute civil injuries as felonies, anywhere in the world that they please. For the forseeable future, the chance of electing anyone who's not a Demopublican or Republicrat is miniscule at best.

The most insightful thing I've seen here recently was, "Republicans ought to love Obama. He's doing everything they'd want to do."

I'd warn you to take off the blinkers, but it's likely already too late.

Re:"Seizures" (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43602601)

Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather have a government in charge than the digital investigative geniuses at 4chan and reddit.

The government is a vast collection of many organizations. It is not a single entity. There are some things the government does well. To say the government has become corrupt does not say that it doesn't still continue to function in many areas. My car has a defective parking brake: It still serves the function it was meant for.

But I don't park it on hills.

Re:"Seizures" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43603429)

There are some things the government does well.

They overspend well, they overthink well, and they're really good at taking something simple and complicating it.

Your turn - can you come up with 3 things that the government does well that ISN'T wasteful or morally questionable?

Re:"Seizures" (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43603493)

Your turn - can you come up with 3 things that the government does well that ISN'T wasteful or morally questionable?

9 Police.
1 Fire.
1 Medical.

Re:"Seizures" (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about a year ago | (#43600925)

And what I don't understand, really: why don't they stick to the .org address?

I always use http://thepiratebay.org/ [thepiratebay.org] to reach that site and that has always worked just fine. Seconds later it changes the .org to .se, or .is, or now .sx - nothing for me to worry about.

Here's a plan. (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#43598059)

Time and again the BitTorrent site has responded by relocating to new domains.

They should implement themselves in software, and put it on BitTorrent.

Re:Here's a plan. (2)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#43598367)

Time and again the BitTorrent site has responded by relocating to new domains.

They should implement themselves in software, and put it on BitTorrent.

Something like this [thepiratebay.sx], perhaps?

Re:Here's a plan. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599451)

They should implement themselves in software, and put it on BitTorrent.

Perhaps they should build an interface to this software using a ubiquitous standard (such as HTML) so that any web browser can access it. Then all they'd need to do is register an easy to remember name so people could interact with this software just by typing the name on their computer keyboard device.

OK, I've had my fun.

This is BAD news for all of us! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43598109)

Like the site or not this is BAD NEWS for all of us. This is just what the UN needs as fodder to take control of the Internet and force Draconian rules upon us all!!!!@#%%

Re:This is BAD news for all of us! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599157)

If the UN get ahold of the net, expect seizures for anti-islam sites being hosted in the USA. People who argue for the UN to rule the net don't understand what they're arguing for.

There's nothing further to discuss on this matter.

GFWoC (1)

QQBoss (2527196) | about a year ago | (#43598121)

I thought the .sx address was being blocked by the GFWoC, but apparently the DNS just hasn't propagated, because I can't access the new address from my USA based VPN, either, at this point.

  While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.piratebay.sx/ [piratebay.sx]

The following error was encountered:

        Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.piratebay.sx

The dnsserver returned:

        Server Failure: The name server was unable to process this query.
his means that:

  The cache was not able to resolve the hostname presented in the URL.
  Check if the address is correct.

Your cache administrator is webmaster.
Generated Wed, 01 May 2013 05:48:57 GMT by google.com (squid/2.7.STABLE6)

Re:GFWoC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43598179)

just go to piratebay.org and it will automaticly reroute you through the correct dns server and watch as the address changes from piratebay.org to piratebay.sx automagically.

Re:GFWoC (4, Informative)

heypete (60671) | about a year ago | (#43598537)

That's because their website isn't http://www.piratebay.sx/ [piratebay.sx]

Their websit is http://thepiratebay.sx/ [thepiratebay.sx] -- note the presence of "the" in the name.

Re:GFWoC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599427)

Yes they are famous now so they get to use THE.

I thought THE was for when you're not famous (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43600199)

Yes they are famous now so they get to use THE.

I thought THE was for when you're not famous. When Facebook wasn't quite famous enough to buy facebook.com from whoever owned it at the time, it had to use thefacebook.com.

"threated" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43598209)

Yeah, this is former President Bush, ol' #41, handilfying the submissionsions at the Slashed Dots...on the web of world wide.

TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (3, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#43598885)

TPB has absolutely DICK to do with BitTorrent or its creators.

TPB is a site that aggregates links to torrent files that pirates created, much to the chagrin of the BitTorrent and users who use it for legitimate purposes.

But, again, to describe TPB as a "BitTorrent site" is patently false at best, and a thinly veiled attempt at associating TPB with the creators of BitTorrent at worst.

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (4, Informative)

king neckbeard (1801738) | about a year ago | (#43598961)

TPB does have a decent amount of legit content, and it's called a "BitTorrent site" because of the BitTorrent protocol. Similarly, sites that have 'gifs' in their name are not related to Compuserve.

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599083)

I like your analogy, good sir. Might you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599315)

It's called a BitTorrent site because just about 100% of its content is related to the BitTorrent protocol. It's also called a web site because it is on the web.

But describing TPB as a "web site" is patently false at best, and a thinly veiled attempt at associated TPB with the creators of the world wide web at worst.

This is what you sound like.

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43603209)

Just about 100% of its content is related to pirated media and software, and porn.

The _CONTENT_ is not related to BitTorrent. The people who created the pirated media simply USE bittorrent to their ends.

Calling it a 'bittorrent' site is like calling an 82 Caprice a "drive by car" because ganstas use it a lot in drive by shootings.

I'm sure the creators of bittorrent don't like being thought of as "that pirate protocol" any more than Chevroley likes an 82 Caprice being thought of as "that drive-by car."

I think the OP has a good point, even if s/he didn't make it well.

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (1)

wvmarle (1070040) | about a year ago | (#43600959)

BitTorrent is both a piece of software, and a protocol. And as most of the material offered on TPB can be downloaded through the BitTorrent protocol "BitTorrent site" is a perfectly valid designation. Just like Slashdot is a "web site" even though they've not much to do with CERN.

Re:TPB is NOT a BitTorrent site (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43601923)

so on linux, I have rtorrent, qtorrent, transmission, etc....

Not WHERE are the servers, but WHEN! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599021)

They'll never be truly secure until they become Time Pirates...

Implying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43599093)

>Implying that Sweden have jurisdiction over Iceland and their Domain

Jack Sparrow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43601789)

Mystical quest to the isle of tortuga...

Careful about the name of the island (1)

SpammersAreScum (697628) | about a year ago | (#43602635)

"... Caribbean island of Sint Maarten with a new .sx domain name. 'Control of the island ... is split between France and the Netherlands." Yes, the island is split into French and Dutch parts. The Dutch part is called Sint Maarten and the French part is called Saint-Martin. The respective residents may use those names for the island as a whole as well, just to be confusing; English speakers call the island Saint Martin. I believe the TLD .sx is officially assigned specifically to the Dutch dependency of Sint Maarten, not the island as a whole; the French dependency ISPs apparently uses .fr or .gp (from nearby Guadeloupe). Also, Sint Maarten (the Dutch entity, not the island) used to be part of the Netherlands Antilles, which recently dissolved, and so may be using its .an TLD...
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