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BotObjects Announces First Full-Color Desktop 3D Printer

timothy posted about a year ago | from the print-me-some-soft-food dept.

Printer 29

Zothecula writes "In the ProDesk3D, 3D printing outfit botObjects has come up with not only the first full color desktop 3D printer, but thanks to its anodized aluminum body, unquestionably one of the prettiest. The company's goal was to think about how 3D printers might look in 5 years, aiming to put clear water between the ProDesk3D and its "kit-like contemporaries." To print in color, it uses a cartridge system capable of mixing five base colors of PLA."

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No Print Images? (5, Informative)

jesseck (942036) | about a year ago | (#43608983)

I checked out the article and website, but there are not pictures of parts printed with the system. Was there no proof-of-concept, just a few photoshopped or empty shells made for these product images? On the other hand, it does look nice, although with 3D Printing looks don't matter that much.

Re:No Print Images? (3, Informative)

Barryke (772876) | about a year ago | (#43609035)

Yup. I guess its a slashvertisement.

Re:No Print Images? (3, Insightful)

ZephyrXero (750822) | about a year ago | (#43609051)

Yeah, I thought that was weird too. Every other 3D printer company I've seen was more than happy to show some examples of what they can make. I'm gonna consider this vaporware for now...

Cartridge system? Fuck that. (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#43609007)

It's a waste of money and environmentally unfriendly. Some of the commercial printers even have chips to keep you from refilling. There are cheap machines to make filament from raw material now, going to cartridges from filament reels is the wrong direction.

Also, inb4 the 3D printing haters/snobs!

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43609449)

Have you 3D printed anything at all that was even remotely useful and didn't cost ten times what a off-the-shelf part would have?

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (3, Informative)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about a year ago | (#43609623)

Yes. Anything for which no off-the-shelf equivalent exists: replacement parts, prototypes, components for my own projects, objets d'art, etc. Printing at home is still something for the 3d printing enthusiast, but there are fablabs that will print high quality parts in plastic or metal and mail them, at attractive prices.

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (3, Interesting)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#43609689)

Almost anything you can 3D print that isn't available off-the-shelf, and is required in low volume, will be cheaper than an off-the-shelf part. Do you know how much it costs to retool an injection molding machine, never mind purchase one in the first place?

People have been making 3D printed replacements for a lot of little plastic brackets on cars that would otherwise have to be pulled off a junkyard part (if they can be found at all). I plan to print an ITB adapter for an engine in Ultem.

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43609627)

Giving them the benefit of the doubt (because from the evidence they've shown, it's pure vapourware), if the cartridges contained powdered PLA, you could mix it as desired into a filament that then traveled a short distance to the head before being deposited as the part (because that'd probably be mechanically simpler than doing the mix & fuse at the head). As long as you knew in advance what colour you wanted your extrusion to be in a few layers time (you should, you're not slicing your model in real-time), and you deal with having to re-feed or waste the first few grams of feedstock per print, you can print arbitrary colours of plastic from ray primary pellets or powder.

Not that that's particularlylikely from a company showing off noting more than a shiny render and claiming to have an actual product.

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43610031)

It might also be possible that the cartridges contain PLA filament, and they are using 5 tiny extruder nozzles that mix the color as it is deposited onto the print. Seems like it would make for insanely slow prints, but I didn't read anything in this particular slashvertisement about how fast these machines were supposed to be.

Re:Cartridge system? Fuck that. (1)

Plazmid (1132467) | about a year ago | (#43610909)

FDM type 3d printers actually use around as much energy to construct things as an injection molding machine. Factoring in transport costs, they are probably a little bit better for the environment than injection molding. However, if you use a giant printer cartridge this probably changes, as they will get thrown away(seriously, who recycles cartridges anyway.

put clear water between (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#43609025)

>> put clear water between

Smashing! I'll take a lorry-load of these. Just put them in the lift and I'll send the boxes down for the bin men.

Can't buy one (3, Informative)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | about a year ago | (#43609197)

At least not yet, best you can do is click on a link to "register your interest"
What's next? a kickstarter campaign?
Vapourware/slashvertisement of the worst kind.

Doesn't Exist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43609313)

It's not "the first" of something, and it isn't "news", until they actually build one. It looks more like an independent attempt at a kickstart. I assume "register interest" is hip-kid slang for "get asked for money to fund our attempt to actually engineer this". One of their paragraphs even let a "will" slip in: "The ProDesk3D will be capable of printing down to 25 microns..." Yeah, once you invent it.

What a cute little lava lamp (1)

Sla$hPot (1189603) | about a year ago | (#43609353)

Sigh... you made me click on the link.
Are you f#€%#€% kidding me?

Yup... please mod me down to terrible again, I like it. And FO with this stupid crap!!

"Slashdot only allows a user with your karma to post 2 times per day (more or less, depending on moderation).
You've already shared your thoughts with us that many times. Take a breather, and come back and see us in 24 hours or so.
If you think this is unfair, please email posting@slashdot.org with your username "Sla$hPot".
Let us know how many comments you think you've posted in the last 24 hours"

Ha ha ha sloooow claaap

How about blue steel? (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43609465)

> "thanks to its anodized aluminum body, unquestionably one of the prettiest."

Anodized aluminum, or does it just look like anodized aluminum?

so its slashvertisement (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#43609541)

but seriously, you dont pander your product by pissing on something here at slashdot we know and love.

aiming to put clear water between the ProDesk3D and its "kit-like contemporaries."

i get it, "we're open (for business) and your little open source ideas are cute but dwarfed immeasurably by THE PRODUCT." Heres a hint. SCO tried this, Microsoft tried this, SUN tried this, and they all found out the competitive, more readily established 'kit-like contemporaries' called Linux eventually became an industry leading Juggernaut while their ProSuperUltraEnterprise offering became the lock-in standard for reverse engineering, assimilation and deprecation.

A rigged demo? (1)

RogueWarrior65 (678876) | about a year ago | (#43609637)

How ironic that last night I was exploring 3D printer choices. This thing sounds interesting but A) no prices anywhere and B) cartridges? Really? How much material do they hold? Right now, 1kg of filament from Makerbot is about $40. Are these cartridges going to be competitively priced or is the company attempting to repurpose the inkjet printer business model (aka the razor blade model)? Aside from these obvious issues, I'm forces to ask what practical uses are there for full color other than printing out characters or possibly vehicles that require no painting. I'm still wondering if I can print production-quality parts. Here's a real world example. I currently use some custom electronics enclosures that I have CNC milled out of aluminum. They are about 8" x 6" x 4" overall size and they are made for me by a machine shop. I worked out the numbers and I figure that I can print them out of ABS for about $20 versus $170 and it would take about 5+ hours to print one versus 6-8 weeks lead time for 10 pieces. So in theory, the machine is starting to make sense. Printing one-off parts seems to be what people use these machines for and therefor they don't really care if they have to toss some failures or how long it takes to print. I'd be interested to hear peoples experiences.

Re:A rigged demo? (1)

jesseck (942036) | about a year ago | (#43610121)

My thoughts on your (potential) need for a 3D printer is to chose what technology you want your enclosures built with (from the sound of it, using FDM to extrude ABS). From there, find someone / somewhere in your local area that has a printer on par with your budget, and see if they will print you some enclosures or what it would cost. Quality of printers varies widely, and it is good to evaluate the technology within your usage and price point. You also need to consider the product's end-use - if you use milled aluminum today, is 3D printed ABS a viable substitute?

Re:A rigged demo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43612491)

what practical uses are there for full color [?]

Hey, if I want to print my gun in bright pink, it's my constitutional right goddamit.

Vapourware (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43609679)

So we have computer generated images of the printer.
No images of prints.
No images of the device proper
No cost
No details on the 'cartridge system'
No price
No details on the internal mechanics (Either say 'based on the reprap pro' or say 'entirely new guide/position system')
Claiming capabilities and qualities far beyond what the most advanced/expensive devices on the market can claim

I can't smell anything, so I'm suspecting vapourware.

Re:Vapourware (1)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about a year ago | (#43616131)

I can't smell anything, so I'm suspecting vapourware.

That's odd, because I smell the distinct aroma of bullshit.

"Proprietary" (4, Informative)

chill (34294) | about a year ago | (#43609733)

A clue for the people posting these Slashvertisements. The use of the word "proprietary" may get the venture capitalists knickers all moist, but it sets off all sorts of alarms when trying to sell a product to an end-user. (Not including clueless CIOs reading Gartner reports.)

"Proprietary" translated to end-user speak means "once you buy this we have you by the balls. You're locked in to buying our over-priced, exclusive consumables until you swallow your pride, admit your mistake and dump our product. With luck, that time will never come to pass as we'll be dug in deeper than a starving deer tick. Bend over and grab your ankles."

For examples, please see Oracle and Microsoft.

WTF? (1)

csumpi (2258986) | about a year ago | (#43609797)

The webpage has mock up images of a plastic box. No actual photos, no printed objects. Some touchy-feely text. A scam kickstarter project has more information than this.

Obviously, this is paid advertising. Of very low quality. Probably a direct result of slashdot's corporate whor..., I mean takeover. Shame.

Nice! (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a year ago | (#43610127)

Very nice 3D rendering on that big-ass scrolling webpage.

What do you mean, they're not selling 3D rendering software? Could've fooled me!

good idea. not (3, Insightful)

capsteve (4595) | about a year ago | (#43610201)

full color printing, or multicolor printing? i suspect that this printer is multicolor. and i call bullshit
color printing(ink on paper) has been around for centuries, but was a selective process, applying color to discreet areas(initial caps, image insert pages). and it was a costly and time consuming process. true full color printing which was reporoducable at scale was when chromolithography and color separation process was refined. it was the advances of the halftone screening process that really propelled color printing to enter the mainstream.

3d printing is more complex the its flatland brother, since halftone color process might not be a viable solution to rendering color hues(maybe with multiple hotends). 3d printing is also complicated by the fact that your printing substrate is the "ink" you are using. i've been mulling over 3d printing in color, and my opinion is 6-7 colored filaments, not 5. CMYK+white for color spectrum mixing, grey(cause it's cheaper and faster than mixing expensive pigments) to also be used for infill, and a brittle rafting material.

How much did this ad cost? (1)

pipatron (966506) | about a year ago | (#43610323)

So how much did the slashdot ad cost, and how do I block this kind of ads with adblock?

Did timothy and Zothecula share the cash equally?

Aesthetically looks like Form1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43610733)

It looks like they copied the design of the FormLabs Form 1 aesthetically at least with the aluminum and amber colored window

I've had more than enough of this (2)

JustNiz (692889) | about a year ago | (#43611641)

To all slashdot submitters: If you are going to post articles about amazing new tech please stop trying to gain interest by making it sound like you can buy it right now when its actually still in the wet dream phase.

>> The company's goal was to think about how 3D printers might look in 5 years, ...because that is how long it will probably be from now before this becomes available as a product you can actually buy.

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