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Google Formally Puts Palestine On Virtual Map

timothy posted about a year ago | from the ministry-of-truth dept.

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hypnosec writes "Google has indirectly walked right into one of the Middle East's most obstinate conflicts by labeling Palestine as an independent nation — wiping off the term 'Palestinian Territories' and replacing it with 'Palestine' in its localized search page. Google's move is more or less in line with the UN's October decision to name Palestine as a non-member observer state. The status given to Palestine will allow the state to join UN debates as well as global bodies such as the International Criminal Court, in theory at least. Up until May 1, anyone visiting http://www.google.ps were shown the phrase Palestinian Territories. This change is definitely not a huge one but, it has attracted criticism from politicians in Israel."

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USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (1, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a year ago | (#43625339)

We all have our roles to play I suppose.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625407)

Yes, these 2 situations are exactly the same.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (3, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43625609)

No, the US funnels far more overt support and resources to its bellicose little buddies. I don't see North Korea shifting the DMZ southward every year, leveling South Korean cities so North Korean settlers can move onto the land. China doesn't throw an international diplomatic hissy-fit at the mere suggestion that South Korea should be allowed to have its own autonomous government, much less one armed and hostile to the expansion of North Korean power.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (5, Insightful)

Yakasha (42321) | about a year ago | (#43625941)

No, the US funnels far more overt support and resources to its bellicose little buddies. I don't see North Korea shifting the DMZ southward every year, leveling South Korean cities so North Korean settlers can move onto the land. China doesn't throw an international diplomatic hissy-fit at the mere suggestion that South Korea should be allowed to have its own autonomous government, much less one armed and hostile to the expansion of North Korean power.

I don't see the South electing a government with the stated goal of expelling or murdering every resident of the North, flatly stating that any and all negotiations are purely strategic moves to delay fighting when deemed necessary, that the commonly accepted "two state solution" will never be allowed to happen, or refusing to acknowledge the historical incidents predating the formation of their Northern neighbor and otherwise implicitly believing that no Northern citizen has a right to live.

So I guess neither of us like the analogy.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (1, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#43626297)

Yes, both sides want to kill each other, that's the problem in a nutshell.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (0, Flamebait)

SplashMyBandit (1543257) | about a year ago | (#43625965)

Ah, I see you are repeating the propaganda approach without actually understanding the history of the region with regard to International Law. Perhaps these may enlighten you (and other Slashdotters) somewhat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4 [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63hTOaRu7h4 [youtube.com]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U [youtube.com]

Where you have the situation wrong is that you assume that Israel objects to a Palestinian State merely on the basis of a Palestinian State existing. This is completely false, and misrepresents the position of the Israeli Government - and leads normal, moral people to draw incorrect conclusions. Please allow me to correct your understanding. The Israelis have always offered an Arab Palestinian State (and in fact, the Arabs were offered international recognition of one in 1948 by the United Nations but they refused, and continued to refuse as long as Israel exists).

The Israelis will fully endorse an Arab Palestinian State (in addition to the secular/Jewish Palestinian State called 'Israel') upon the following conditions:

  • 1) Mutual recognition of Israel by the Arab Palestinians (in Arabic; they practice 'taqiyya' by saying one thing in English for suckers to believe while saying something completely different in Arabic)
  • 2) The security needs of Israel to be met - no more Palestinian-Authority sanctioned jihadis to be sent to Israel
  • 3) Everything else to be settled by *negotiation*.

The problem the Israelis have with the moves for Palestinian Statehood through the United Nations is *not* the creation of a Palestinian State. It is bypassing negotiations with the Israelis and bypassing mutual agreement and a *permanent* peace treaty (instead of the temporary 'hudna' that exists now while jihadis regather strength). The Palestinian move in the United Nations (now dominated by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation voting bloc) was a *very* sly move to bypass negotiations with the Israelis (unfortunately most people aren't aware of this aspect). So you see, the problem is that much of the left-leaning media (Associated Press, BBC, MSNBC etc) omit the reason for the Israeli protests. The Israelis have always offered to recognize an Arab Palestinian State, provided the Palestinian State recognize Israel *in Arabic*. Once you know this, you see the Israeli position as being entirely reasonable - they want to *negotiate* for permanent peace. I think most reasonable people would agree with the Israelis on this, and agree that the Palestinians sneaking through the UN to avoid recognizing Israel with a permanent peace treaty is not very good.

Here's some evidence of the real Palestinian position (which the media is not telling you about, it is feeding you propaganda instead without ever checking the real facts): http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?doc_id=8704&fi=157 [palwatch.org]

ps. for those of you who are also fooled by the falsehood that Israel is 'the last European colonial state' you may want to ponder the fact that Jews have been living continuously in the region of Palestine for over 3000 years (the Arabs came later, and invaded around 1400 years ago). While no-one holds a unique claim to the land, it is a falsehood to say that Israel was only formed by European Jewish refugees after World War II. The Jews have been there a lot longer than that (even if they had been ethnically cleansed and were in small numbers until the end of the 19th Century).

Please also note that the Arabs and Muslims already have 56 large and mostly uncrowded countries. They don't want to destroy Israel because of the *land*, they want to do it because the Qur'an and hadiths tell them to. The fiction of being 'Palestinian' rather than 'Arab' or 'Jordanian' was only invented after the 1967 Israeli victory as another way of moving closer to their planned genocide of Jews and ethnic cleansing of all non-Arabs from the Palestine region. Please read the following slides where the PLO founders and Yasser Arafat himself say that is why they invented the 'Palestinian' nationality in 1967 (before that the Arabs considered themselves as part of the Arab Ummah, and part of the either Egyptian or Jordanian nationality).
http://www.al-rassooli.com/palestine/index.html [al-rassooli.com] (particularly the quotes from PLO on slides 6 to 13)

Once you start learning the historical facts you kinda develop a completely different perspective on the issue. Israel is by no means perfect, but it does have a very good case under international law for doing what it is doing (despite the common, but false, memes that are spread about the political situation in the region).

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626021)

The hasbara trumpet bloweth, I see.

Your propaganda would be amusing if people weren't fucking dying thanks to you and your ilk. Murdering scumbag. Coward.

Re:USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626045)

Nice try, but unconvincing. Israel is just as complicit in the situation as Palestine is.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626069)

And why would the Palestinians need Israel approval when Israel didn't need to ask permission to the Palestinians to exist?
The whole "negotiated solution" is propaganda for Israel to keep the Palestinians stateless forever, and continue the colonization. The longer they wait, the larger their state will be.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (0)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about a year ago | (#43626387)

And why would the Palestinians need Israel approval when Israel didn't need to ask permission to the Palestinians to exist?
The whole "negotiated solution" is propaganda for Israel to keep the Palestinians stateless forever, and continue the colonization. The longer they wait, the larger their state will be.

Hahaha

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626397)

And why would the Palestinians need Israel approval when Israel didn't need to ask permission to the Palestinians to exist?

Israel started existing in 1948. The Palestinians started existing in 1964. The Palestinians want Israeli land. They're going to have to ask for Israeli permission.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (1)

Clsid (564627) | about a year ago | (#43626573)

Lol what? Maybe you should read more, even if it is Wikipedia:

The British had notified the U.N. of their intent to terminate the mandate not later than 1 August 1948,[47][48] However, early in 1948, the United Kingdom announced its firm intention to end its mandate in Palestine on 14 May. In response, President Harry S. Truman made a statement on 25 March proposing UN trusteeship rather than partition, stating that "unfortunately, it has become clear that the partition plan cannot be carried out at this time by peaceful means... unless emergency action is taken, there will be no public authority in Palestine on that date capable of preserving law and order. Violence and bloodshed will descend upon the Holy Land. Large-scale fighting among the people of that country will be the inevitable result."[49]

The Jewish Leadership, led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel,[50] on the afternoon of Friday, 14 May 1948 (5 Iyar 5708 (Hebrew calendar date).[51][52][53] On the same day, the Provisional Government of Israel asked the US Government for recognition, on the frontiers specified in the UN Plan for Partition.[54] The United States immediately replied, recognizing the provisional government as the de facto authority.[55] Israel was also quickly recognised by the Soviet Union[citation needed] and many other countries,[citation needed] but not by the surrounding Arab states.

Over the next few days, approximately 700 Lebanese, 1,876 Syrian, 4,000 Iraqi, 2,800 Egyptian troops invaded Palestine.[56] Around 4,500 Transjordanian troops, commanded by 38 British officers, who had resigned their commissions in the British army only weeks earlier (commanded by General Glubb), invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs (in response to the Haganah's Operation Kilshon[57]), as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43626205)

much less one armed and hostile to the expansion of North Korean power.

So the proper attitude in your opinion is to welcome the DPRK's prison camps?

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (4, Interesting)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43626265)

Huh? Where'd that come from? I'm perfectly fine with China not trampling in to directly help North Korea wage hostilities against the South; I'm happy with South Korea being able to defend its border against aggression. Likewise, I'd be fine with Israel not receiving massive support from its sugar daddy to unilaterally steamroll over Palestine; I'd be fine with Palestine having a bit more firepower to fight back wherever Israel pushes its borders to steal more land/resources.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626363)

Maybe that's because the us gives the money. My guess, if we didn't support South Korea we would be talking about the unified communist state of Korea. We did give the money out without purpose or without getting something back for it.

Re: USA:Israel::China:BestKorea (2)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43626497)

Hard to tell exactly what China's politburo will do (ever since Mao died, no one's been answering calls on my special red telephone line to Beijing), but I'm not so sure they'd really want NK expanding like that either. China doesn't want US military bases nestled right up against their border (so they're alright with maintaining NK as a big buffer region), but they aren't exactly thrilled about having a big mass of desperate starving poor people about to spill over the border either (China's not particularly short on population right now). Doubling the size of NK (while wiping out anything of value in South Korea) wouldn't particularly benefit China. In fact, if the US were to break off close relations with South Korea (let them develop as an independent non-aligned state, rather than a neo-colonial puppet for Western interests), I wouldn't be surprised if China hastened along the demise of NK, and let South Korea take over as a friendly ally/trading partner.

I declare Jihad on Google. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625373)

Um. Nevermind.

Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (1, Funny)

Karganeth (1017580) | about a year ago | (#43625389)

He just removed "territories" from the "Palestine territories" google picture because he thought it looked better. Now every major news outlet is carrying this (non)story.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (5, Informative)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43625405)

While it's an amusing thought, Google actually consulted the UN and is rolling out the change across all of their products. (mumble mumble rtfa)

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (1)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | about a year ago | (#43625457)

...except the UN has stated they are not a nation, or a sovereign, and cannot recognize nations or governments. The UN's response has nothing to do with the international legitimacy of a Palestinian state.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (5, Informative)

Khashishi (775369) | about a year ago | (#43625569)

Only that the UN is in a better position to recognize a nation than pretty much any other entity.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (4, Interesting)

Squiddie (1942230) | about a year ago | (#43625643)

I'm pretty sure Google has more power than many small nations and the UN.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (5, Insightful)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | about a year ago | (#43625747)

The UN's response has nothing to do with the international legitimacy of a Palestinian state.

Since Israel's only claim to legitimacy is the U.N.'s declaration, I suppose this means no legitimate state occupies that land?

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (1, Informative)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43626139)

Since Israel's only claim to legitimacy is the U.N.'s declaration, I suppose this means no legitimate state occupies that land?

Israel is self-certifying at this point, so that is nonsense. You do know that nations existed before the UN came along too, right?

Besides that, there have been Jews there continuously for thousands of years, and several Jewish states on that land.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (2)

TapeCutter (624760) | about a year ago | (#43626481)

Israel did not arise from a UN mandate, they won statehood by fighting a war of independence.

The Zionist movement declared itself to be an independent nation, that declaration triggered the 1948 war with neighboring states, Israel won. About a year after the war the UN had no real choice other than to recognize them as a state, (they had a functioning government and well defined borders). Before Israel's declaration of independence the league of nations (UN) had planned to partition the territories, the Zionists symbolically made their independence claim on the day the partition was due to come into force.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (2, Informative)

DaHat (247651) | about a year ago | (#43626493)

Since Israel's only claim to legitimacy is the U.N.'s declaration, I suppose this means no legitimate state occupies that land?

Riiiight.

Lets just ignore the fact that their claims to legitimacy pre-date the existence of the UN: The Legal Case for Israel [youtube.com]

But why let facts and history get in the way?

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (1)

rwa2 (4391) | about a year ago | (#43625899)

Ha ha, just as well. I can imagine the poor guy.... when I was a kid a decade or so ago I was a devmin for a small UN site and, uh "accidentally" filed the West Bank and Gaza under Israel in the database hierarchy.

Fortunately my client at the World Bank with a bit more knowledge of world events that I received from US HS History set me straight before we pushed it to production.

But I suppose this balances it all out then!

Still, it's amazing how much trouble "kids these days" can get into for doing the same shit we did when we were young.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year ago | (#43626349)

Even before the UN decision, Palestine had more international recognition from nation states than Taiwan.

Re:Imagine The Poor Guy Who Changed This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625483)

Some map providers in Canada do this by changing "Happy Valley Goose Bay" to simply "Goose Bay". It causes widespread riots in the populated and dangerous land of Labrador.

Good. It's about time. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625409)

Good. It's about time.

EOM

Rule of thumb on Israel (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625411)

If they don't like what you've done, you've probably done the right thing.

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625635)

It's sad how easily knee-jerk idiocy like this is mistaken for insight when you are blinded by hatred.

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625785)

Like firing missiles into populated areas?

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (2)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year ago | (#43625847)

That's an overgeneralization. Iran's nuclear program doesn't become good just because it annoys Israel.

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625887)

Nor does it become bad because it annoys Israel.

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625957)

If they don't like what you've done, you've probably done the right thing.

The only problem with that theory is that most Israelis can't wait to revoke Israeli-Arabs citizenships, voting rights and social security benefits on the grounds of dual nationality or as supporters \ members of an enemy state.

What people don't realize is that Israel is still essentially a socialist state. While not quite the kibbutz some folks imagine it to be, it's still impossible to live here on a median income without the tax breaks and heavy subsidies citizens are provided with. And, since almost everything (especially utilities like water and electricity) is government owned or managed, the median wages have adjusted to just barely cover housing and food. e.g. Most folks don't even handle their pension plan since the law forces the employers to manage that for the employees along with filing their income taxes.

That's right, in Israel, unless your self employed, you don't file your income tax yourself. Your boss does it for you.

Right now, 30% of Israeli universities students are Palestinians who receive the usual 50% student subsidies. Then, there's child support, free health care, almost free medication, almost free education from ages 3-18... That's 20% of the population suddenly finding themselves one day without the means to support their families, possibly themselves and without any meaningful savings since they never made enough money in the first place.

But hey, since us Israelis don't like it, it's probably a good idea...

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (-1, Troll)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43626483)

Rule of thumb on anti-Semites - If they don't like what you've done, you've probably done the right thing.

Re:Rule of thumb on Israel (2, Insightful)

Pseudonym Authority (1591027) | about a year ago | (#43626563)

Rule of thumb for Zionists - if it's critical of Israel in anyway, call it racist.

A First for Google (5, Funny)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#43625439)

After much deliberation, they thought "Palestine Beta" would cause yet more controversy.

all part of the big ploy? (5, Funny)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43625463)

the rothschild family and the queen of england are just trying to use their proxies (including google) to spark conflict in the middle east to trigger world war 3, collapse the US dollar and invoke the new world order... in preparation for the nazis to return from the dark side of the moon with their army of rock spiders

Re:all part of the big ploy? (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | about a year ago | (#43625489)

Silly goose. Everyone knows rock spiders are from Mars.

Re:all part of the big ploy? (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | about a year ago | (#43625513)

Someone didn't watch the documentary Apollo 18.

Also, it was the Russians.

Re:all part of the big ploy? (4, Funny)

unitron (5733) | about a year ago | (#43625767)

No Illuminati, no Knights Templar, no Free Masons, no Opus Dei, no Rosicrucians.

And you expect us to believe there's an actual conspiracy?

Re:all part of the big ploy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626209)

I'm not sure which is funnier, this comment or that somebody modded it informative.

About frickin' time! (0, Flamebait)

pla (258480) | about a year ago | (#43625467)

Aww, poor widdle ol' Israel doesn't like it when the world talks about human rights abuses other the atrocities of the holocaust?

Good for Google! Though, I hope Sergei has learned how to sleep with his eyes open... Scientists who stand in the way of Israel's goals have this nasty habit of attracting squads of well-equipped and tactically-trained muggers waiting for them in their hotel rooms.

Re:About frickin' time! (0, Troll)

KiloByte (825081) | about a year ago | (#43625551)

There's quite a lot of human rights abuses inside Israel's borders, yes. Hamas considers everyone else, including muslims who don't agree with it, to be sub-humans.

An organization that wants any other group wiped from the face of Earth deserves just that.

Re:About frickin' time! (3, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43625627)

An organization that wants any other group wiped from the face of Earth deserves just that.

I assume you're talking about the Israeli government? Or do they not count, because they actually are systematically wiping Palestine off the map, instead of just wanting it?

Re: About frickin' time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625759)

Those evil sneaky Israelis shore are incompetent. For 60 years they have been wiping the Palestinians off the face of the earth and now there are 10 times as many Palestinians as when they started.

Re:About frickin' time! (2)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43626255)

I assume you're talking about the Israeli government?

No, that would be Hamas. Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel.

Or do they not count, because they actually are systematically wiping Palestine off the map, instead of just wanting it?

There seems to be some defect in your understanding of genocide as the number of Palestinian Arabs has long been increasing. You also don't give credit where credit is due. The brother Arabs of the Palestinian Arabs told them to leave their homes and villages while they slaughtered the Jews in 1948. It didn't turn out that way, and now the other Arabs treat the Palestinian Arabs like scum.

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

Clsid (564627) | about a year ago | (#43626599)

I don't know why you guys defend one over the other. Both sides hate each other and have done outrageous things. It's like a fight between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625563)

Actually, quite contrary to that. The world goes to great lengths not to notice the daily war crimes perpetrated against Israeli civilians.
Or Syrians. Or Rwandans. When a favourite hobby (any, really, not just Israel-bashing) becomes an all-consuming obsession, it is time to see a doctor.
So, world, make an appointment. There are medications that can remedy the "dos darn juice shat in my pants" syndrome.

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625733)

Actually, quite contrary to that. The world goes to great lengths not to notice the daily war crimes perpetrated by Israeli military.

FTFY. You are quite welcome.

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625777)

Actually, quite contrary to that. The world goes to great lengths not to notice the daily war crimes perpetrated against Israeli civilians.

No, you're ignorant. The reality? The majority of the people make very little effort to not notice these war crimes. They're desensitized and are otherwise too busy to car about something that is far away and ambiguous at best. Learn how humans work before you start making sweeping assumptions.

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625583)

So...the next time "Palestine" send rockets into Israel then, as blessed by the U.N., Israel would be more than justified turning it into a wasteland and simply annexing it like they did the Golan Heights and the Sinai Desert.

If you want to be one of the big boys, you have to play by their rules.

Re:About frickin' time! (4, Insightful)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#43625665)

Annex?

Don't you mean occupy? Or are you admitting that Israel is taking land by force?

I have no problem with Israel occupying Palestinian territories from which rockets are fired. They can do for as long as it takes for the attacks to stop as far as I am concerned. But its not their land to settle.

The Sinai was returned to Egypt as a condition of a peace treaty. And the Golan Heights will be returned to Syria based on the same.

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43625781)

And the Golan Heights will be returned to Syria based on the same.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

ixuzus (2418046) | about a year ago | (#43626337)

That's a very simplistic view. Consider the situation where militants enter an area they don't like - such as the Christian quarter, fire their rocket and go home. An Israeli military response, be it firing back or occupation, at the source of the rocket is pretty much a win-win for them. This is not a hypothetical situation. It happened repeatedly and probably will again.

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626489)

The U.N. recognizes the right of a nation who is victorious in war to annex the lands of the loser.

Re:About frickin' time! (2)

Squiddie (1942230) | about a year ago | (#43625673)

Individuals launching rockets is not the same as Israel as a whole committing those crimes. Also I don't remember the Palestinians using white phosphorus on civilians, do you?

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43625961)

If you think it is "individuals" launching rockets you have a seriously flawed understanding of the situation.

If you're outraged about the use of chemicals against "civilians," do you have any to spare?

Suicide Bombs Spread Rat Poison, Disease [go.com]

Is a Palestinian Arab launching a rocket aimed at an Israeli town innocent?

Re:About frickin' time! (1)

Squiddie (1942230) | about a year ago | (#43626005)

I do not see the PA or even Hamas advocating the launching or rockets lately. If there are such criminals, then they can be prosecuted. Demolishing hospitals is obviously not proportional response.

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626545)

Drink deeply from the Kool Aid.

Ignorant fools such as yourself are primarily the ones responsible for wars as you ignore aggressors until it is too late. Chamberlain ring a bell?
 

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43626577)

I do not see the PA or even Hamas advocating the launching or rockets lately.

There is a cease-fire at the moment that is barely holding. It can't last forever since one of Hamas's basic goals is to destroy Israel.

If there are such criminals, then they can be prosecuted.

Is there something you missed? You do realize that it isn't just criminal individuals that do this, or renegade members of Hamas, it is Hamas itself? They aren't going to prosecute themselves for fighting for their own goal. The only reason they might stop is they are either out of ammo or the Israelis have damaged them enough that they need a break. The closest they are going to get to prosecuting anyone is if on one of their needed breaks a rival group launches a few rockets before Hamas itself is ready to resume hostilities. Those individuals will be captured and punished, as much for being rivals of Hamas than for attacking Israel before Hamas is ready to do so itself.

The only real hope there is that Hamas continues in growing corrupt and wants uninterrupted economic activity to leach off from.

Demolishing hospitals is obviously not proportional response.

You don't get to use hospitals for rocket launch points and munitions warehouses. That is a violation of the Law of War, and Hamas engages in that sort of thing regularly.

Re:About frickin' time! (5, Insightful)

mendax (114116) | about a year ago | (#43625669)

It is about time! And with respect to any Israelis or Jews who might be offended by Google's actions today. I have just one thing to say to you: fuck you.

Google is responding to the reality of the situation on the ground today. The Palestinians people lived in a place called in English Palestine by everyone else including the Jews until 1948 when Israel was created. While it is true that they and other Arab neighbors did cause some problems by deciding not to bow to the reality of the political situation then and agree with the two-state solution created by the UN back then and to fight the Jews who through the UN legally stole half of Palestine from the Palestinians the fact of the matter is that there is a nation that is bottled up within the borders of the current state of Israel that do not want to be a part of Israel and would like some of the land back that the Israelis stole from them in 1967 not so fair and square.

Israel as it currently exists as a Jewish state is doomed because of the unsustainable situation it is in. The writing has been on the wall for a long time now. The nation is quickly losing the moral capital the Holocaust granted it by tacitly creating ghettos for the Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza, regularly depriving these people of commerce, jobs, food, water, and electricity, and then expecting that the people they victimize will simply put up with it. Google's actions today are just another nail in the coffin of the Jewish state.

Ok, ok, I'm getting off my soap box now.

Re:About frickin' time! (0)

KiloByte (825081) | about a year ago | (#43625861)

Israel as it currently exists as a Jewish state is doomed because of the unsustainable situation it is in.

Ie, a bunch of bloodthirsty Arabs? Sorry but the Israelis have so far defended themselves against any wars, including one waged by all their neighbours the very next day after Israel was formed. That their holy book says all infidels must convert or die doesn't give them any moral high ground.

Re:About frickin' time! (3, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43625945)

That their holy book says all infidels must convert or die doesn't give them any moral high ground.

That Israel ignores all the parts of their holy book demanding just treatment of foreigners (leaving only the parts about conquest and oppression and exclusion) nicely levels the moral playing field.

Religion. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625491)

This misguided nonsense has been going on for way too long. How about some common sense?

Re:Religion. (2)

shutdown -p now (807394) | about a year ago | (#43625711)

What, give both parties nukes and let them hash it out once and for all?

in line with typical Google policy (4, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43625499)

Google typically defers to self-identification, even where names or status are disputed. For example, google.mk is taglined "Google Macedonia", not "Google FYROM".

All hail the new world government (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625509)

Sadly blood will be shed over this stupid and in a perfect world, meaningless, decision.
The UN has weaseled out of a difficult situation (which initially it was created to solve) by applying a tag "non-member observer state", which in plain English means "you are not a state, because making you a state is explicitly forbidden by our basic laws, but it sounds close enough, here is your medal that says 'Hero' on it".
Now google jumps the bandwagon.

Re:All hail the new world government (3, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#43625753)

The UN is saving its energy for the vi/emacs dispute.

Gee I wonder where is Google Kurdistan or Google T (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625533)

Hypocricy much?

And There Was Much Rejoicing! (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#43625611)

To celebrate, I'm going to stand in this bucket and sing "Jerusalem!"

And did those feet, in ancient times, walk upon England's mountains green? Everyone now!

Wilderness area (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625647)

Designate Israel and whatever you want to call that other stuff a wilderness area. I'd like to see God do that Himself with some kind of massive shield volcano eruption. It'd shut up several really annoying bunches of people: Palestinian advocates, global warming people, and Zionism's supporters. They ALL belong on the B-ark. Come on God, where's my volcano?

Re:Wilderness area (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625745)

I'm sorry, but that ain't gonna happen..,. If you have a sheepskin, why is it that you dare invoke the transcendent? You know well that it is not tolerated in a forum populated by those whose view of reality is nothing less, more and other than space, time, matter, energy and chance?

Good (5, Interesting)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | about a year ago | (#43625667)

I was so pleased when the UN finally told the US and Israel what they thought of the nice little Ghetto Israel had created for the Palestinians to slowly be eradicated in.

Frankly, I agree with Sir Gerald Kaufman of the UK in his views that Israel is no better than certain German Fascists in their treatment of the Palestinians.

“The current Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians,” Sir Gerald Kaufman, a veteran MP of the governing Labour Party and a long-time critic of Israel, said Thursday in parliament.

And before some butt-hurt heeb starts pulling out his "you disagree with Israel, you therefor are an anti-semite" card...
Sir Gerald Kaufman is himself a Jew.

I hope that someday more land can be given to Palestine and both sides can learn to live in peace -- but considering this dispute seems driven by ultra-conservative religious wing-nuts on all sides, I don't think that will happen without total annihilation of the region.

Re:Good (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#43625713)

Mod parent up and let the bullets fly.

Re:Good (1, Funny)

skdffff (140618) | about a year ago | (#43625755)

And before some butt-hurt heeb starts pulling out his "you disagree with Israel, you therefor are an anti-semite" card...
Sir Gerald Kaufman is himself a Jew.

There are three kinds of people - jews, anti-semites and jewish anti-semites.

Re:Good (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625805)

This is the Fucking Psychopath® chiming in about human nature and antisemitism. Apparently someone here has not heard of the Self-Hating Jew®. These are usually clean shaven , had rhinoplastic surgery, and a name change.

Re:Good (4, Insightful)

digitig (1056110) | about a year ago | (#43625891)

The "Self-Hating Jew" myth is just a version of the No True Scotsman [wikipedia.org] fallacy, weasel words to try to avoid the truth that Jewish != Zionist and to try to exclude anybody who disagrees with you from the discussion.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626075)

No true Scotsman ever mentions a logical fallacy he does not understand.

Re:Good (1, Interesting)

Yakasha (42321) | about a year ago | (#43626077)

Frankly, I agree with Sir Gerald Kaufman of the UK in his views that Israel is no better than certain German Fascists in their treatment of the Palestinians.

I don't recall German Jews ever stating they wanted to march every German into the Rhine (Ya, I know that quote doesn't come from a Palestinian, but the sentiment does and it predates the formation of Israel), so I really don't see how the comparison is valid.

“The current Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt among gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians,

Actually their most commonly cited reason for "murdering the Palestinians" is something along the lines of "INCOMING ROCKET!" I really don't ever hear the Holocaust being brought up except to compare Israeli Jews to the Nazis.

And before some butt-hurt heeb starts pulling out his "you disagree with Israel, you therefor are an anti-semite" card... Sir Gerald Kaufman is himself a Jew.

Uncle Tom doesn't care what race you are.

I hope that someday more land can be given to Palestine and both sides can learn to live in peace -- but considering this dispute seems driven by ultra-conservative religious wing-nuts on all sides, I don't think that will happen without total annihilation of the region.

The Palestinians have been rejecting a two-state solution for more than 80 years. So you're probably right on the mutual annihilation...

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626121)

can I be any more anti-semite than certain sections of Israels poulations stance on Palestinians?

Re:Good (0, Flamebait)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#43626219)

before some butt-hurt heeb starts pulling out his "you disagree with Israel, you therefor are an anti-semite" card...

It would really lend to your credibility if you recognized at all the the Palestinians want to completely destroy Israel. As it is, you seem pretty one sided in your view.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626519)

The trouble is, though, that your assertion isn't actually true at all, isn't it?

Re:Good (1, Flamebait)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43626249)

And before some butt-hurt heeb starts pulling out his "you disagree with Israel, you therefor are an anti-semite" card...
Sir Gerald Kaufman is himself a Jew.

He may be a jew but that doesn't stop anti-semites like yourself from using his words for your own purposes. If you don't want to be accused of being an anti-semite, don't use racial slurs like "heeb."

Bigots like you aren't doing the Palestinians any favors when you use their terrible situation as a tool for your own passive-aggressive racism.

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626415)

Frankly, I agree with Sir Gerald Kaufman of the UK in his views that Israel is no better than certain German Fascists in their treatment of the Palestinians.

A more apt comparison would be with Apartheid South Africa. And since Israel doesn't want a viable Palestinian state, what will happen is exactly what happened with South Africa and their little Apartheid. I don't believe Israeli extremists would try the madness of "Final Solution", though when you ask them, they actually talk about it!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution [wikipedia.org]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_(Settlements).png [wikimedia.org]

That's NOT a state! And annexation of land hasn't happened and will not happen without agreement of the population.

I believe the extremists in Israel are no different then extremists in Hamas. And when Sharon "saw the light" and tried a real, lasting solution, the extremists killed him.

Ohio now Miami Indian Territory on Google Maps (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625769)

Since native American Indians have prior claim to the land, Google and the UN have decided to start renaming US states to their appropriate Indian territories on Google maps.

Yawn (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625863)

As an Israeli, all I can say is:

    * It's about time.
    * Don't worry about the yelling from certain Israeli politicians. They look just as dumb to most Israelis as they do to the rest of the world.

DNA tests (2)

darth_borehd (644166) | about a year ago | (#43625931)

DNA has shown that Israelis and Palestinians are the same people. Either they both have an ancestral claim to the land or neither one does.

Re:DNA tests (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626123)

Lets see if your argument passes the substitution test...
DNA tests confirm that Chinese and Africans are both the same people. Either they both have an ancestral claim to the land or neither one does.

Really? So they both have claim to China, or was that Africa?
They both are human and originated if you go back far enough from the same people. Oh you say their blood lines diverged at some point in history and now they claim different lands. So the key point is at what point their blood lines diverged?

Trying to explain the state of the world's borders or its history in terms of ancestry seem to me a project doomed to internal contradiction through incoherence.

War... war makes a much better candidate for explaining to world's territories.
As far as I can tell, the vast majority of territorial lines and resolutions and all important ones have been the result of wars. In the case of modern Israle's initial borders this was WW2 where the Ottoman Empire sided with the loosing side of Hitler's Axis powers. The current expansion being the result of the 6 days war where Israel's neighbors coordinated an attack on Israel and lost.

Violence and Palestinians Muslims (0, Flamebait)

plastick (1607981) | about a year ago | (#43625953)

Select results from a new Pew survey of Muslims worldwide show that Palestinian Muslims are among the most "religiously conservative" and intolerant of all Muslim-majority countries.

Many of the questions showed that Palestinian Muslims rated behind only Afghanistan, Iraq and sometimes a handful of others in their levels of fanaticism.

Here are some of the survey questions with how Palestinian Muslims answered:

Please tell me if you completely agree, mostly agree, mostly disagree, or completely disagree with this statement: Members of your religion have a duty to try and convert others to your religious faith.
"Completely" or "mostly" agree 82%

Some people think that if a man engages in premarital sex or adultery it is justified for family members to end his life in order to protect the family honor. Do you personally feel that this practice is:
Often or sometimes justified: 33%

Some people think that if a woman engages in premarital sex or adultery it is justified for family members to end her life in order to protect the family honor. Do you personally feel that this practice is:
Often or sometimes justified: 37%

Which comes closer to your views? "Islam is the one true faith leading to eternal life in heaven" or "Many religions can lead to eternal life in heaven"?
Statement #1 89%

"Women should have the right to decide if they wear a veil" 53%
"Women should not have the right to decide whether to wear a veil" 35%

"Sharia law is the revealed word of God" 75%
"Sharia law is developed by men, based on the word of God" 16%

"Sharia law should be open to multiple interpretations" 42%
"There is only one, true understanding of sharia law?" 51%

Do you ever participate in inter-faith religious groups, classes, or meetings with Christians or not?
Yes 8% No 91%

"A wife should have the right to divorce her husband" 33%
"A wife should not have the right to divorce her husband" 57%

Agree or disagree? "A wife must always obey her husband"
87% "completely" or "mostly" agree (46%, 41%)

"Do you favor or oppose making sharia law, or Islamic law, the official law of the land in our country?"
89% favor 8% oppose

For those who answered "favor" - should Sharia apply to non-Muslims?
39% yes 43% Muslims only

"Who should have a greater right to parents’ inheritance – sons or daughters, or should both have equal rights?"
Sons 51% Daughter 1% Equal 43%

Is polygamy morally acceptable?
Yes - 48% No - 20% Not a moral issue - 17%

Is drinking alcohol morally acceptable?
Yes - 1% No - 92%

Is homosexual behavior morally acceptable?
Yes - 1% No - 89% Not a moral issue - 5%

Some people think that suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets are justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies... Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is:
Often or somewhat justified 40% Rarely or never justified 49% (highest percentages justifying suicide attacks of all countries surveyed)

Do you favor or oppose the following: the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion?
Favor - 62% Oppose - 29%

Do you favor or oppose the following: punishments like whippings and cutting off of hands for crimes like theft and robbery?
Favor - 72% Oppose - 23% (behind only Pakistan, Afghanistan and Niger)

Do you favor or oppose the following: stoning people who commit adultery?
Favor - 81% Oppose - 14% (behind only Pakistan and Afghanistan)

Those who claim that a Palestinian Arab state would be secular and democratic state are fooling themselves.

Those who pretend that a "one state solution" would respect the rights of a Jewish minority are knowingly lying - especially since such a deal would cut Israel in half where the middle would be only 6 miles wide. Furthermore, never in history has there ever been a single Jewish suicide bomber. I'm sure the "open minded" liberals, Google, and anti-semites would choose to ignore these findings - along with the calls from the Palestinians for mass genocide against the Jews they claim are all "ascended from apes and pigs".

What they don't like to talk about, however, are the statements made by Yasser Arafat and his inner circle of political leadership – that there is no distinct Palestinian cultural or national identity. I'm going to raise those uncomfortable quotations made by Arafat and his henchmen when their public-relations guard was down.

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

Arafat himself made a very definitive and unequivocal statement along these lines as late as 1993. It demonstrates conclusively that the Palestinian nationhood argument is the real strategic deception – one geared to set up the destruction of Israel.

In fact, on the same day Arafat signed the Declaration of Principles on the White House lawn in 1993, he explained his actions on Jordan TV. Here's what he said: “Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.”

No matter how many people convince themselves that the aspirations for Palestinian statehood are genuine and the key to peace in the Middle East, they are still deceiving themselves.

I've said it before and I will say it again, in the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs as a separate nation.

Why now has it become such a critical priority? The answer is because of a massive deception campaign and relentless terrorism over 40 years. The truth is that many (including entire governments) use these Muslim extremists and terrorists as a tool to destroy Israel out of anti-semitism.

Re:Violence and Palestinians Muslims (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626061)

JIDF pls go

Re:Violence and Palestinians Muslims (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626175)

Two counterpoints:

#1: Poor people are usually religiously backward. Israel has kept Palestine poor. If Palestinians were free to trade, and grew wealthier, they might become a bit more progressive.

#2: Even if Palestinians are backward hicks, that doesn't justify Israel's treatment of them. A Palestinian state may not be an ideal solution, if it has a high chance of turning into a theocracy, but is there any other way of preventing Israel from further mistreating them?

Re:Violence and Palestinians Muslims (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626225)

Furthermore, never in history has there ever been a single Jewish suicide bomber.

In what twisted reality is it a badge of honor that Israel only uses explosives at no risk to their operators? Israel is perfectly okay with killing innocent civilians, so there's not much to distinguish it besides it showing less resolve/desperation on their part.

Re:Violence and Palestinians Muslims (3, Funny)

Alex Kasa (2867743) | about a year ago | (#43626229)

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics" - Mark Twain

Mark Twain Quotes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626513)

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics"
- Mark Twain

"Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion."

"Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion--several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven....The higher animals have no religion. And we are told that they are going to be left out in the Hereafter. I wonder why? It seems questionable taste."

I'd wager he would agree with those statistics.

Re:Violence and Palestinians Muslims (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43626407)

Then the most extreme expression of fanaticism would be Israel occupying and removing people from their homes solely based on the theory that that particular land is given to the israeils by their god(s). Right?

cu7m (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43625989)

there are the resources that moronic, dilettante

Screw the Israelis (1, Flamebait)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#43626313)

As far as I'm concerned, Israel is one of the most belligerent and violently oppressive regimes on the planet. I couldn't give two squirts of piss if they're "upset" about Palestine being properly named.

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