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Redditors (and Popehat) Versus a Bus Company

timothy posted about a year ago | from the some-people-are-nuts-in-public dept.

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Techdirt explains the strange story of a lawsuit-happy bus company in Illinois which managed to tick off a cadre of determined redditors by calling them uncomplimentary names in the reddit forums. This all started when a bus passenger, Jeremy Leval, reported unsavory behavior by a company employee (telling an exchange student "If you don't understand English, you don't belong at the University of Illinois or any 'American' University.") and said so online. Besides the name calling on reddit, the bus company threatened the forum moderator with libel charges, and over insults posted by the bus company employees which the moderator had deleted. Further, company owner "[Dennis] Toeppen threatened to sue Leval, saying, 'The attorneys for Suburban Express are reviewing this incident with a view towards filing the appropriate legal action against this meddlesome MBA student.'" Attorney Ken White of Popehat got involved, though, and asked with good effect whether the company had fully considered the Streisand Effect. The strangest part? Toeppen's former involvement as a domain squatter.

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Sure... (5, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43631813)

Letâ(TM)s hope the Redittors are more accurate with this "issue" than they were with the Boston Bombers. People seem so willing to take whatever is posted on some web site by people that (right or wrong) have some vested thing in some opinion or view. Sometimes a critical mass builds in the Forums when the actual facts end up being completely different from reality. I wasn't there, Iâ(TM)m not jumping on the Band Wagon until the whole thing shakes out.

Re:Sure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631895)

So, did anything that matters happen today?

If I wanted shitty soap operas I'd watch daytime TV.

Re:Sure... (4, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43631905)

So, did anything that matters happen today?

Kentucky Derby. GOD am I wasted...

Re:Sure... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631969)

Kentucky Derby.

Yeah, as if anything important depended on the outcome of THAT.

*Yawn* so still nothing that matters? Just more pop-culture bullshit? Ok then, wake me up if something interesting occurs.

Re:Sure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632011)

We always have more fun when ur asleep.

Re:Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632357)

Then go away you boring fuck. When something happens that literally nobody in this world cares about, we'll tell you, because that seems to be the only thing you'd be interested in.

Re:Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632657)

Just more pop-culture bullshit?

So, you prefer the unpopular culture bullshit.
You are just too cool to talk to anybody about anything.

Re:Sure... (1)

TrollstonButterbeans (2914995) | about a year ago | (#43632951)

If this hype about "Redditors (and Popehat) Versus a Bus Company" does not include a YouTube video hopefully involving a cagematch, consider me uninterested.

Re: Sure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632721)

I used to think slashdot was the place to go for new stories.
I read this a few days ago.
In Internet years, it feels like a few months ago.

Re:Sure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631901)

The New York Post has already reported that Suburban Express is owned and operated by a couple of brown-ish high school kids. Oopsie.

Re:Sure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632031)

Surely you're not suggesting that it matters what colour skin they have?

Re:Sure... (5, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about a year ago | (#43632089)

Surely you're not suggesting that it matters what colour skin they have?

It does when redditors are tracking down bomb suspects.

After reading the summary... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631823)

I almost feel... dumber somehow for having read that.

Re:After reading the summary... (0, Flamebait)

BitZtream (692029) | about a year ago | (#43631833)

You are dumber, but thats a reflection on you and not the summary.

Re:After reading the summary... (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43631845)

You are dumber, but thats a reflection on you and not the summary.

It's so easy to Toll on the Intertubes, I'm surprised you chose to Troll logged in rather than as an Anonymous Coward... I'll give you "points" for that, but not your comment.

Re:After reading the summary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631927)

It's so easy to Toll on the Intertubes

You're a fucking liar!

Re:After reading the summary... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632681)

I almost feel... dumber somehow for having read that.

Reddit will do that to you.

What Sort Of Outfit Are They Running There? (5, Funny)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year ago | (#43631843)

That an intellectual forum of internet posters could degrade to ad hominem attacks instead of reasoned debate.... Is this the /. farm system where we draft our new players from?

Re:What Sort Of Outfit Are They Running There? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632009)

intellectual? On the internet? Where?

Re:What Sort Of Outfit Are They Running There? (1)

rmdingler (1955220) | about a year ago | (#43632059)

Click on that front page Bruce Schneier story son... there's some crafty posting going on right under your nose.

Re:What Sort Of Outfit Are They Running There? (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | about a year ago | (#43632039)

It depends on the players you are looking for. Are you looking for those skilled at degrading ad hominem attacks or reasonable intellectual debate? If the first, I am available. If the second, please look elsewhere.

Re:What Sort Of Outfit Are They Running There? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632069)

That an intellectual forum of internet posters could degrade to ad hominem attacks instead of reasoned debate.... Is this the /. farm system where we draft our new players from?

Better than another Bitcoin story, I guess.

Stuff that matters? (4, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | about a year ago | (#43631855)

Reddit drama on Slashdot? Is that how hard up for "news" this site has gotten?

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632035)

It's not as bad as when they were posting upwards of 5 stories a day about the Microsoft Surface...

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632075)

You can only flamebait libertarians and apple/android fanboys so much.

Re:Stuff that matters? (2, Informative)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#43632087)

It matters because it shows that alleged free market companies cannot really survive in a free market. This bus company took this guys money and then apparently treated him differently than other people and then apparently tried to shut down free debate on what they did. It is important because we must educate people that at least in America they have the right, at least until rand Paul shoots them with a drone because they walk out of a liquor store suspiciously, to equal service for pay and to express themselves both online and the public square.

Re:Stuff that matters? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632195)

right, because rand paul is planning on killing americans with drones. oh wait no, thats what the president has already done....

Re:Stuff that matters? (4, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | about a year ago | (#43632317)

except he does [foreignpolicy.com].

I've never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an active crime going on," Paul said. "If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash. I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him."

Re:Stuff that matters? (1)

LordLucless (582312) | about a year ago | (#43632383)

He's not arguing that people coming of liquor stores should be killed; he's saying that there's bugger all difference between being killed by a policeman and being killed by a drone. What, it's supposed to make the dead guy happier that the bullet was fire as a result of a trigger being pulled instead of a button being pressed?

Re:Stuff that matters? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632547)

After the policeman accidentally kills me, my family has some legal grounds to stand on and go after the officer and/or the department. With a drone, there's no way to know with 100% certainty who was controlling it. Cops already delete dash cam video and other video evidence. You know they'll mess with drone recordings too. The department won't release the name of the person controlling it, they'll say it was a glitch, or the wind moved the bullet/drone right when it fired, the camera was miscalculated, the software was buggy, someone was trying to hack the drone, it was the manufacturers fault, or whatever. The legal case against an accidental drone killing won't go anywhere and my family will be out one person and a lot of money. The murderer will go free. Not that the police should always go to jail for hitting a bystander, but something should happen against them for it.

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43633007)

How does it change the responsibility? If the police don't "throw one of their own under the bus", public outcry over unreliable hardware will cause the whole drone division to be shut down.

You can't have police cars randomly starting to drive over people on it's own!

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632587)

How many people coming out of a liquor store don't have something on their person that could be considered a weapon? Try walking into a jail with a cell phone or a set of keys: they could be used as weapons. I assume the phone thing is anti-recon but IANACO (I Am Not A Corrections Officer).

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43633127)

Walking out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash is not even illegal. Why would summary execution be required?

Re:Stuff that matters? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43632223)

at least in America they have the right, at least until rand Paul shoots them with a drone because they walk out of a liquor store suspiciously

Honestly though, that would be kinda cool. Can we do that now, because, they'll only get the chance once, and I want to be alive to see the shitstorm.

Re:Stuff that matters? (1)

chrismcb (983081) | about a year ago | (#43632625)

It matters because it shows that alleged free market companies cannot really survive in a free market.

How does it show this? Are you saying a company that gives bad service should thrive in a free market?

Re:Stuff that matters? (3, Insightful)

AK Marc (707885) | about a year ago | (#43633027)

No, we are saying that they do, because the free information is being supressed. The suppression of information is the antithesis of a free market.

um...hello? it's REDDIT... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632709)

We have NO way of knowing what truly happened. If I read on reddit that the sun was up, I'd go outside to verify.

Re:Stuff that matters? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632913)

The incident may reflect poorly upon the bus driver but it is a stretch to believe that it reflects upon his employer in a way sufficient to cause economic harm. Then there is that nasty old thing called the truth. If the incident happened libel is not possible. All the student is doing is reporting a fact that occurred. I suspect the threat of legal action is some ham ball that runs the company who thinks he has power to bluff the student into silence.
                      Maybe we should all blast away at the bus company all over the net and demonstrate humiliation and just how it feels to be insulted and humiliated.

i thought it was 'news' enough (-1, Troll)

globaljustin (574257) | about a year ago | (#43632167)

Is that how hard up for "news" this site has gotten?

yeah, I thought it was interesting...the company is borderline criminal, almost certainly Republican-linked, and should have learned from Anon pwned that security company last year. [wired.com]

I don't read or comment at reddit.com, but in spite of its 'all AC all the time' quality I still visit the site. I checked out Obama's 'AMA' and a few odds and ends.

I did visit a few 'sub-reddits' (dumb name) once to get some design ideas and it helped but the comments were weeks apart.

Both reddit and 4chan and w/e else the kids use these days is worth noting on issues like free speech/Republitard legal trolling.

Who cares? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631869)

I really can't bring myself to give a shit about any of this.

Re:Who cares? (-1, Flamebait)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#43631999)

But you just had to post about it anyway, didn't you? Aren't you that guy who doesn't even own a TV? Oh, wait, can't be, you would've mentioned it.

Having solved all of the world's other problems (0, Troll)

clonehappy (655530) | about a year ago | (#43631933)

Reddit gets their panties in a bunch over a bus driver in BumfuckEgypt, IL who unsurprisingly is a lukewarm bigot. Why doesn't Reddit ever use their hivemind to affect change for any of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (5, Insightful)

ojno (2490970) | about a year ago | (#43632001)

Why doesn't Reddit ever use their hivemind to affect change for any of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

I can't help noticing that you don't seem to be helping the world right this second. Why are you posting on Slashdot when you could be affecting change for some of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632061)

Why doesn't Reddit ever use their hivemind to affect change for any of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

I can't help noticing that you don't seem to be helping the world right this second. Why are you posting on Slashdot when you could be affecting change for some of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

I think the both of ya should kwitcherbitchin'.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632077)

Let's start by solving the problem of your not knowing the difference between affecting and effecting.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

lexsird (1208192) | about a year ago | (#43632319)

Irony: he had it right.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632535)

No, he didn't. It's hilarious that you got this wrong.
To effect change is to bring it about.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632551)

No, he didn't. http://xkcd.com/326/ for the point at which the difference entered the set of common internet knowledge.

Re: Having solved all of the world's other problem (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632809)

No. To "effect change" means to "bring about change." It's a standard English idiom. To "affect change" is a meaningless expression.

Re: Having solved all of the world's other problem (1)

Alex Belits (437) | about a year ago | (#43632907)

One can "affect change" when some change is in progress, and someone changes its rate or direction.

It's useless though. I propose to declare the use of "effect" as a verb to be obsolete and limited to Internet trolls (it means exactly the same as "cause"), and avoid the use of "affect" in any but the most clear situations ("affect direction of the change" would be clear, "affect change" would not).

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632209)

Did you test that snarky comment out on Reddit first?

How many masturbatory upvotes did you receive?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

Khyber (864651) | about a year ago | (#43632365)

"I can't help noticing that you don't seem to be helping the world right this second."

Speak for yourself.

"Why are you posting on Slashdot when you could be affecting change for some of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?"

Because all of the problems I deal with are handled by computer. Gotta love being able to ensure a country's food production half-naked in my living room, while designing prototypes at the same time. What the fuck are YOU doing to solve some of the more pressing problems?

Oh, nothing, you're posting on Slashdot.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632103)

A minority of people that use reddit aren't taking too kindly to a xenophobic bus driver and his employer. Hyperbole from you and you alone, and ironically, your post puts you into the category of people you are moaning about.

Re:Because they're the Destructicons (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632185)

Like the Destructicons, individually they display some fleeting intelligence but when combined together they're dumb as fuck.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43632235)

Why doesn't Reddit ever use their hivemind to affect change for any of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

You mean like the live-blog of the Boston Bombing police scanner reports, being fact checked in real time hours before the network news?

I'm not sure what you're getting at? So, what? You want them to just run the country?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632313)

Yeah, that resulted in two innocent people having their lives terrorized by newsmen and mobs for a few days. Hardly a story worth bragging about as Reddit being useful to the world.

What reddit actually is useful for however is comment spamming from countless free accounts. Any time a gun related article pops up a flood of 2 month and year old accounts flood the comment section praising guns, demonizing "the left", and espousing libertarian ideals. Reddit needs to pull the Kochs out of their collective mouths.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632295)

The place in question is UIUC, a massive public university. Hardly the middle of nowhere. (Well, it actually is in the middle of nowhere, but it itself is a big place).

Also, it's not "Reddit", it's UIUC students on the UIUC subreddit. There have also been articles and opinion pieces in the school newspaper, and the issue is a topic of conversation among students. Reddit is just the forum where the action has been. Ignoring the fact that you'd be wrong even if it was all of Reddit (in fact, your position is so ridiculous that you're probably trolling, but I don't really care), saying people shouldn't be going after this company is like saying that everyone who has ever posted a negative review of an awful company really ought to be moving to Africa to fight AIDS, instead.

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632443)

Why doesn't Reddit ever use their hivemind to affect change for any of the real, substantial problems we have in this world?

Well, they TRIED, but everyone figured out the bombers were someone else before the lynch mobs really got going, so what can you do?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

chrismcb (983081) | about a year ago | (#43632627)

Who says they aren't? Are are you saying they can only do one thing at a time?

Re:Having solved all of the world's other problems (1)

Jherek Carnelian (831679) | about a year ago | (#43632963)

Reddit gets their panties in a bunch over a bus driver in BumfuckEgypt, IL who unsurprisingly is a lukewarm bigot.

Well, UIUC is the birthplace of Mosaic and Netscape, that ought to count for something on slashdot.

What sort of university is this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631959)

Everyone knows if you can't speak Chinese you don't belong in an American university.

Re:What sort of university is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43631997)

I think you mean Hebrew, that's the language I always here in the corridors of my university.

Re:What sort of university is this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632063)

I think you meant to say "hear" instead of "here".

Are you sure you're in an American university? (I only have a GED and I know that's wrong.)

Re:What sort of university is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632259)

Are you sure you're in an American university?

Absolutely positive. Even more... should be self-evident.

I only have a GED and I know that's wrong.

Try getting into an American university... after a while, you won't be so sure anymore.

Re:What sort of university is this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632411)

I don't see how it could be self-evident when you clearly lack the ability to use words and punctuation correctly.

I've met too many commissioned officers (in the military) that are like you; they depended on us dumb enlisted people to fix their errors so they wouldn't end up looking like fools in front of their higher ups. And God forbid that we should miss a mistake that our intellectual superiors made...

sorry (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632005)

but I kind of agree with

"If you don't understand English, you don't belong at the University of Illinois or any 'American' University."

best part is our tax dollars paid for them to be there while our own kids are dependent on how much money managed to save up, or get stuck with a lifetime of debt

Re:sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632485)

No need to be sorry, that's perfectly logical. The same could be said with another language and country.

"If you don't understand French, you don't belong at the Université de Lyon or any French University."

Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (5, Informative)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43632067)

So there's an awfully beneficial to the bus company only contract of adhesion [wikipedia.org] which applies when you purchase a bus ticket from these (IMHO) idiots at Suburban Express. The students seem to be unaware of it when they purchase the tickets, and the "contract" allows suburban express to charge them loads of extra money, or "fines" (ohmigod, they call them fines!) for wierd little things. Then, the company takes the students to court for these fines, and probaby schedules the court dates such that the student could not possibly attend the court action, thereby having the student lose by default.
.
There's a very interesting write-up at the Daily Illini about this company and their practices by someone who initially did not believe how bad and wierd (and imho probably illegal) the actions of this bus company were and are:
Suburban Express Causes its Own Problems [dailyillini.com] is the title of the April 25th article by Matt Pasquini, an "Opinions" columnist.

Re:Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632237)

If it's the same company that was in a Chicago Tribune article recently, their terms of service make some cell phone services look outright peachy in comparison. Almost like loan sharks on wheels. The company could have two busses going to the same place at the same time, but if you hop on the wrong one the company will go after you for theft. Also no refund for that ticket that's only good for a specific time on that specific bus. So if they screw up you're screwed anyways. I'd also guess the upkeep and maintenance on the vehicles is nothing to talk about either, old rattletrap vehicles with questionable maintenance and comparable to a roach motel on wheels.

Pretty much it's a shady and exploitative company. You'd be better off asking for rides on a campus bulletin board, Craigslist, or hiking with a backpack near a major highway and thumbing it.

Re:Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632251)

If only the summary was written anywhere near as well as your informative comment.

Re:Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43632523)

Re: If only the summary was written anywhere near as well as your informative comment.
:>) Why, thank you! They should hire me as an editor, dontcha think? ;>)

Re:Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (0)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43632615)

Re: If only the summary was written anywhere near as well as your informative comment.
:>)
Why, thank you! They should hire me as an editor, dontcha think? ;>)

Re:Contract of Adhesion with sneaky terms (1)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43632751)

Looks like you have your dupe post skills down pat; now just work on your spelling and grammar (you'll need a lot more errors for Slashdot front-page copy).

In 'Merka, you can sue for being insulted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632127)

Just because you come to the US doesn't entitle you to sue everyone like 'mericans do. It's the internet, a harsh world where being PC is the last thing you'd expect to see.

Public relations checklist (5, Funny)

meta-monkey (321000) | about a year ago | (#43632135)

Suburban Express' marketing department should probably update the public relations checklist:

MEMO
TO: All employees, and particularly boss-type in-charge people
SUBJ: Keeping your feet away from your mouths

Before posting on an online forum, sending an email, or communicating with the press, reread your message. Do any of your statements:

  • 1) Maybe sounds kinda racisty? (i.e., supports employees who address foreign customers in a derogatory manner) Y/N
  • 2) Makes you sound like a cartoon villain (i.e., includes phrases like "this meddlesome MBA student" or "and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddlesome _blanks_ and your _blank_!")? Y/N
  • 3) Your response is likely to draw more negative attention to the company than the original complaint did? Y/N

If you circled "Y" on any of these items, please turn off your computer and do not send the message.

Thank you!

~R.P. Choadington, V.P., P.R, H.R., VHS, QVC. esquire

American checklist (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632775)

MEMO
TO: All persons who claim to be Americans
SUBJECT: Actually being an American, rather than a useful idiot

Before denouncing somebody as a "racist", "sexist", "homophobe" etc, please review your statement and the circumstances:

1. Did you actually hear the offensive speech or are you just jumping on the bandwagon and taking somebody else's word that the offensive speech was spoken? Remember: some people make claims like this as a way to invalidate somebody they have other disagreements with.

2. Are you sure the supposedly offensive comment was truly inappropriate? Sometimes a truly offensive person behaves in an offensive manner which invites a stereotypical response, and when that response is issued we are not confronted with a perpetrator and a victim, but rather with two people who should both be ignored (possibly because they are jerks or possibly because they were normal human beings being observed at a moment of frustration/anger)

3. Before you leap to the position that some speech should be banned, or some people should be denounced for saying things that were "not nice", please remember that the American position is: free speech. "Speech Codes", "political correctness" etc are fundamentally un-American and if you are tempted by them then you need a gut-check. If we only tolerate "pleasant" speech that we like, then we are not really for "free speech" at all. The American tradition is to let people speak their minds; most people will speak politely most of the time and when some speak impolitely we are each free to decide for ourselves whether we like them or not, whether we will listen to more of their speech or not, etc but we do not use the force of government or the power of the mob to shut them up no matter how much we disagree with them.

Thank You for helping us all stay free.

Re: American checklist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632829)

You're an idiot. Freedom of speech works both ways. If you can't handle being called a racist, sexist or homophobe when you're a racist, sexist or homophobe, then keep yer fucking mouth shut, you gay ass niggerbitch.

Suburban Express is the new Santa Cruz? (2)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43632139)

we desperately need something new to bash... SCO is dead (or an artificially stimulated fighting zombie at most), microsoft keeps fucking up so much i almost feel sorry for them (almost), google is increasing the linux marketshare too much to call them "really evil" even apple bashing is getting stale since samsung is apparently flooding the market with cheaper-than-i-things (we all knew they would).

we neeeeed something to bash.... a bus company full of lawyers may not be threatening linux, but hey it's still full of lawyers... so commence bashing!

Reddit also likely lynched Sunil Tripathi. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632155)

You won't see a post from hueypriest apologizing for that on the front page though, will you?

Be careful who you label a hero.

No they most likely didn't (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about a year ago | (#43633089)

As I understand it, the state of decomposition of his body suggested that he was dead weeks before the bombings.

Slimy Company (4, Interesting)

gauauu (649169) | about a year ago | (#43632175)

So I went to school at Illinois, and still live in C/U. We've all known for years just how bad Suburban Express is, but unfortunately there's enough people that don't know, and enough new people each year, that keep them in business. While it's weird that this made Slashdot, it's nice to see them get the publicity that they deserve.

Re:Slimy Company (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632203)

Reddit stands up to a lot of slimy companies. [reddit.com]http://www.reddit.com/r/frugal [reddit.com] frequently talks about companies which scam you and stay away. It seems like there's a lot of hate for Bank of America who charges hidden fees all day long. The common suggestion to this is to use a credit union.

Re:Slimy Company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632597)

Do the students have a choice? I know around here there is only one bus service (sorry no names, I know better) and it absolutely sucks. The last run is before the end of first shift so it is worthless to get to work but is considered "reliable transportation".

Re:Slimy Company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632765)

What are you trying to do, get us sued?

Re:Slimy Company (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43633071)

See, this comment and the article itself are kinda strange to me. I'm currently a senior at UIUC and, in the 4 years I've been taking Sub. Express I've never had issues with them. Sure, there wasn't anything fancy or outstanding about the rides, but I'd call them what they were - satisfactory transportation to/from my home in the suburbs. I think even got a coupon once from them for such-and-such off my next ride because they claimed the bus driver wasn't "up to standards" (though I hadn't noticed anything). I'd taken Lex once before too with no complaints, but maybe I'm just missing something since Lex got put on probation for too many safety violations in December.

Who pays? (2)

sylvandb (308927) | about a year ago | (#43632305)

I am completely sick of threatened and nuisance lawsuits with no purpose other than to intimidate or force others to make some arbitrary change in their socially acceptable behavior.

Filing a law suit should at an absolute minimum require the plaintiff to pay some costs to the defendant (perhaps the smaller of the legal costs incurred by either side) should the plaintiff lose. This will help to minimize the number of frivolous lawsuits and so minimize the quelling impact of such lawsuits on society.

Threatening a law suit in a public forum instead of contacting the defendant privately or simply filing said suit is nothing more than creating a spectacle trying to achieve the same quelling without even paying the cost to file. As such it should be punishable via a simple civil action with a default judgment (e.g. similar to junk fax) with the fine to be split equally between the wronged party and whomever pursues action to completion.

While we are at it, anyone who threatens or actually does file a suit against an inanimate object should face the same penalty as does one threatening a suit. The penalty should be faced both by the individual and additionally the organization (if any) who sponsors their lawsuit activity and by all their superiors within that organization.

Re:Who pays? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632369)

Loser pays is the best method. Setting a higher fee for court just cuts out the poor from using the system. There will be an issue of lawyers not willing to take riskier cases, but that happens either way.

Re:Who pays? (1)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about a year ago | (#43632391)

Filing a law suit should at an absolute minimum require the plaintiff to pay some costs to the defendant (perhaps the smaller of the legal costs incurred by either side) should the plaintiff lose

I was about to say how that would never work for the little guy trying to sue a big company with an army of lawyers. Then I noticed your bit about paying the smaller of the legal costs from either side. That's actually quite a clever way to work around the issue. I approve.

Re:Who pays? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43632559)

Filing a law suit should at an absolute minimum require the plaintiff to pay some costs to the defendant (perhaps the smaller of the legal costs incurred by either side) should the plaintiff lose.

So I hire a no-win-no-fee lawyer, and if I lose, I don't have to pay anything.

Re:Who pays? (1)

sylvandb (308927) | about a year ago | (#43632863)

So I hire a no-win-no-fee lawyer, and if I lose, I don't have to pay anything.

I believe most judges are smart enough to realize that the lack of a bill from lawyer to client does not mean no costs have been incurred.

Re:Who pays? (1)

chrismcb (983081) | about a year ago | (#43632661)

Filing a law suit should at an absolute minimum require the plaintiff to pay some costs to the defendant (perhaps the smaller of the legal costs incurred by either side) should the plaintiff lose.

So you are saying only rich people should be allowed to file lawsuits? Sometimes even the people who are in the right still manage to lose.

Re:Who pays? (1)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43632771)

So you are saying only rich people should be allowed to file lawsuits?

That would be different from the current system... how?

Re:Who pays? (1)

sylvandb (308927) | about a year ago | (#43632861)

I've given some thought to mitigating that issue as you can see by my proposal which while imposing costs on the losing plaintiff, would provide a firm limit to that cost under the control of the plaintiff. If you have a better solution to the problem of nuisance lawsuits, or to improve my idea, I'm probably not the only one who'd like to hear your idea.

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