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India Rolls Out Central Monitoring System To Snoop On All Communications

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the electric-eye dept.

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hypnosec tipped us to news that India is rolling out a new intrusive monitoring system, using the authority of a 2000 telecom law. Quoting The Times of India: "However, Pavan Duggal, a Supreme Court advocate specialising in cyberlaw, said the government has given itself unprecedented powers to monitor private Internet records of citizens. 'This system is capable of abuse,' he said. The Central Monitoring System, being set up by the Centre for Development of Telematics, plugs into telecom gear and gives central and state investigative agencies a single point of access to call records, text messages, and emails as well as the geographical location of individuals." Privacy advocates are worried about abuse, partially because India has no effective privacy legislation, and the "...Indian government under PM Manmohan Singh has taken an increasingly uncompromising stance when it comes to online freedoms, with the stated aim usually to preserve social order and national security or fight 'harmful' defamation."

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Stole our secrets (4, Funny)

coinreturn (617535) | about a year ago | (#43664419)

Copycats! The US Government has been doing that for years.

Re:Stole our secrets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664583)

The US just copied from those past great powers in Eurasia, who've been doing that for, what, centuries? Millennia?

/inb4 "there was no internet back then so people just ate turnips and contemplated on the impossibility of monitoring people's thoughts and actions"

Re:Stole our secrets (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#43664651)

We've always been at war with Eurasia.

Re:Stole our secrets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664687)

It's funny cause I heard it somewhere else

Re:Stole our secrets (1)

davydagger (2566757) | about a year ago | (#43665547)

And Oceania and Eastasia

more specificly Air Strip One.

Re:Stole our secrets (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#43664883)

At least India is not the central hub that connects most of the regions of the world, nor the country that hosts most of the global sites. In US privacy legislation protects at best (anyway, diminishing) privacy of US citizens, but there is no protection of any kind for people from the rest of the world. They have free shot permission [democracynow.org] over them.

Re:Stole our secrets (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665197)

"I don't understand how the internet works"

Well at least... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664427)

Well at least India is open about spying on their own citizens.

Re:Well at least... (4, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#43664475)

They'll be spying on you, too. You have no idea exactly how much stuff is outsourced to India. Well, now it's all fair game.

Re: Well at least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43668107)

I think you missed the point. We're already spyed on by our own government was what he was saying.

Re: Well at least... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year ago | (#43669291)

Yup, so now it will be the US government AND the Indian government.

Re:Well at least... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664751)

China, Russia, US, India, they've all been open about it. How else would you know about it otherwise? The only ones who aren't yet open about domestic spying are the "enlightened" countries in Europe.

Re: Well at least... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43665179)

France: "In WWII, we lose! In Algeria, we lose! In Dien Bien Phu, we lose! But on the internet, we don't lose!"

India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communications (2, Informative)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#43664437)

So do you mean India does officially what the US does unofficially [slashdot.org] ?

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664633)

"FBI are liars who excel in cointel"
"They said your conspiracy theory was right"
"Holy sh-- everybody listen to the FBI"

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665049)

The one guy I know who worked closely with the FBI, well he was a U.S. Marshall.

He's fucking smart, does not believe in conspiracy theories. But is pissed at the direction this government is going.

He's also old, retired, and taken part in some high profile historic cases. But I think he's more mad that he sees more of the same and a bit more everyone else giving a fuck less about it. He also doesn't hold every individual responsible for upholding the whole. He knows for a democracy to work we've got to do it together.

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#43665129)

U.S. Marshall ... does not believe in conspiracy theories. But is pissed at the direction this government is going.

The Bill of Rights. How quaintly old school. What nonsense did they teach about that back when he was in school?

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665053)

So do you mean India does officially what the US does unofficially [slashdot.org] ?

No. The US government doesn't do that, the article you linked to is a bunch of bullshit fearmongering by people with no knowledge or insight into how the communications industry works.
Specifically, the US has the capability to sniff International communications only. When it comes to domestic communications, the only way they can get access is either to submit a warrant for a CALEA tap, which mirrors specific phone numbers over a trunk to a local LE facility, or submit a subpoena to have the Telco/ISP turn over records. They do not have any kind of pervasive monitoring ability and even if they wanted it there's no common point of intercept.
What India is talking about doing is installing pervasive monitoring gear at every ISP and telco which would allow real-time government traffic snooping, the US does not do this.

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#43666005)

Indeed. Didn't read the link deeply enough... should be logically flamebait-ed :-)

Re:India Rolls Out Monitoring To Snoop Communicati (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665823)

"US does unofficially" I'm not sure what you mean by that. The US has been doing that officially since 2001. As for snooping on conversations of foreigners, I don't know, I think any person would be disappointed if their government wouldn't snoop on foreign communications to give their nations an advantage.

Honestly though, they have more serious issues here, from an outsider's viewpoint, they had rapes where the rapists pretty much got away, Bollywood pirates are punished with heavy fines and prison, adding electronic monitoring of a nation that has a nearly inexistent infrastructure really doesn't seem that important.

This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664477)

As long as the proper controls and judicial oversight are in place, there really is no problem with this. India faces a much larger terrorist problem than the USA and look at the laws we are putting in place to deal with it. Also, the natives of India are much more intelligent and tech savvy than the average native American and I have very little doubt that they will be finding ways around this, unlike Americans who don't really care as long as they can surf to Zappo's.com they are fat and happy.

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43664545)

Did you miss the bit where proper controls and judicial oversight aren't in place?

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | about a year ago | (#43664663)

Bah, details!

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year ago | (#43665537)

"Is it legal"

"I will make it legal"

Legality is the cloak of tyranny. It always becomes legal, that which tyrants need to rule. And before some leftwing nut quotes this, I'll do it for you.“They’ll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.” -Says the man trying to remove the restraints against tyranny.

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43668867)

As if proper controls and judicial oversight are in place in USA and Sweden?

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (1)

minogully (1855264) | about a year ago | (#43664685)

If people incorrectly call Native Americans, "Indians", what would they call Native Indians?

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664767)

call center employees

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (1)

fazey (2806709) | about a year ago | (#43665349)

they are typically referred to as "east indians".

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43667311)

they are typically referred to as "east indians".

This is only by the people who perpetuate the racist term of "Indians" referring to "Native Americans" or "American Aboriginals".

Calling actual Indians "East Indians" doesn't make sense because there isn't a country named "East India", nor is there a country named "West India" to require a distinction between East and West Indians.

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43669583)

they are typically referred to as "east indians".

This is only by the people who perpetuate the racist term of "Indians" referring to "Native Americans" or "American Aboriginals".

"Native Americans" is just as racist as "Indians". Which is to say not very given it's also about as racist as "Africans", "Europeans", and "Asians".

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800033)

That is why it is necessary to inquire as to what words the people themselves use in identifying themselves. Of course this does not extend to those who have been understood as the "gamut of peoples holding power over world affairs from the middle of the last millennium" (whites).

Re:This is necessary to defeat terrorists. (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43664707)

As long as proper encrypted communication protocols and communications tools with source code available for peer review are in place, there really is no problem with this.

There, fixed that for ya'.

as an american (5, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#43664571)

i can offer some perspective to India. At first the whole thing seems a bit absurd and draconian, you might even be outraged over it. eventually stuff like this just becomes routine enough to find its way into inane stuff like farm subsidy bills, and aside from the occaional GPS device snuck onto some college kids car you really dont notice it at all. After a while you start to actively ignore the fact that your country runs secret torture camps and foreign prisons for people who say or do the wrong things. Finally you just stop challenging it alltogether and praise it as being something, hell anything your highly factioned, ineffective government can unilaterally agree upon as passable legislation. after a few years and high profile criminal acts like shootings and bombings, you begin to look back and conclude the entire spy-on-everyone thing as being a hopelessly useless effort on the part of the government to keep no one safe.

Re:as an american (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664665)

And the best part is people who still complain after relentless snooping becomes de rigueur just vanish from public discourse.

Isn't that great!

Re:as an american (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43664877)

That is one of the most depressing things I've read in a while.

It's pretty accurate, but it's depressing as hell.

Ah, those primitives (2, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | about a year ago | (#43664573)

Ahahahaha, I love it when some shithole 3rd world insolvent country rolls out a new method to keep control of its teeming masses.

Maybe instead of trying to watch everyone all the time like a giant prison ward, they'd be more successful at preventing sedition by I dunno, maybe making their country a better place to live so people wouldn't be so angry all the time?

They could start by - instead of their parliament and grand poobah (or whatever they're both called) wasting their efforts on trivial political point-scoring against each other all the goddamn time - passing a fucking budget since they haven't passed one in the last 4 years?

Wait, are we still talking about India?

Re:Ah, those primitives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665409)

Hehe, had this jab at the US been less subtle and more direct, this would have been +5 by now. Know your audience, argSty -- self-flagellating Americans (and some US-hating Europeans thrown in) with low attention span and an inability to parse anything above basic sarcasm. Good luck next time in your search for karma!

So it is wide open to attacks too (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664593)

Like the USG one, this will be wide open for attacks. Simplest ones might be things like compression bombs. (Such would have to be larger than usual when
decompressed.) However the system will suck in any traffic, so any traffic that might attack functions that probably exist to parse any of the data, or any attacks that might exist in the filesystem, can be carried out without any targetting whatsoever. They dont talk about any possible ways that might exist to have the spy
system send traffic out, but if such exist, these kinds of spy systems could be used to knock out all manner of communications at once. Having the data corrupted might impede many investigations though to the extent anyone depends on these systems, effectively reducing the government resources. There seems to be a certain amount of hubris in putting such things up.

Google (2)

tapspace (2368622) | about a year ago | (#43664635)

The government is inefficient, that's why, here in the US, we've privatized it!

Progress? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664637)

Meanwhile 600 million Indians still have to schlep down to the nearest river or railway to take a dump in the morning because there aren't enough toilets for everyone. But I'm glad they've got their priorities straight.

Re:Progress? (2)

zmaragdus (1686342) | about a year ago | (#43667177)

Because if the people clamoring for basic amenities like clean water are silenced, no one will know that they don't have clean water.

Re:Progress? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43667341)

Meanwhile 600 million Indians still have to schlep down to the nearest river or railway to take a dump in the morning because there aren't enough toilets for everyone. But I'm glad they've got their priorities straight.

Yup, america has got povertyhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/1252201/india-rolls-out-central-monitoring-system-to-snoop-on-all-communications#, hunger and everything else wiped out. Thats why they can afford to invest in such programs.

Re:Progress? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43671959)

They aren't even close. Don't be obtuse.

India is a Petri Dish, a toilet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664719)

India has one toilet per 20,000 people but has the high tech cojones to organize mass digital spying? India will remain a filthy joke of a nation completely smeared in its own feces forever.

Repressive much? (2)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year ago | (#43664781)

I know in actual fact that the US and Canada aren't much better for tracking communications but at least the governments don't come right out and say it. How can you deny people the right to free speech? When you can go to jail simply by speaking your mind or taking liberty to view a document / picture then we have a problem.

The internet is an open resource and it should stay that way, just because you can find offensive content doesn't mean it should be blocked. What offends you won't always offend me and vice verse, if you don't like what you see then stop viewing it, but to have an entire country force censorship and monitoring on there people is just sad.

Re:Repressive much? (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#43665103)

I know in actual fact that the US and Canada aren't much better for tracking communications but at least the governments don't come right out and say it.

I think it's better if they do come right out and say it. Then there is no doubt that the government is suppressing freedom of speech, instead of getting mired in endless debates about whether they are or it's just a conspiracy theory.

Re:Repressive much? (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year ago | (#43665213)

I would prefer to just falsely believe my freedoms are in tact. I know it's completely illogical to assume such a thing but physiologically it makes me feel better.

FRIST PSOT (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664789)

So now all tech support calls are monitored? (4, Insightful)

oic0 (1864384) | about a year ago | (#43664825)

So now every tech support call in the world is monitored by the indian government? If I defame their leaders while on the phone with Dell, will their be consequences?

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (2, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43664891)

So now every tech support call in the world is monitored by the indian government? If I defame their leaders while on the phone with Dell, will their be consequences?

"Hello, this is Steve at Dell 'Support' in not-Bangalore, I'm afraid that the replacement motherboard for your system has been accused of injuring religious feelings and offenses against public order. We will provide you with new tracking number when they are finished 'refurbishing' it in the basement of the interior ministry."

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43664917)

So now every tech support call in the world is monitored by the indian government? If I defame their leaders while on the phone with Dell, will their be consequences?

Yes. They'll remote-install IE6.

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665205)

So now every tech support call in the world is monitored by the indian government?

only the ones in English

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665425)

The consequences will be the same as they are now, i.e. http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2247 [smbc-comics.com]

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43668853)

As an Indian, I'd encourage you to do it. Please. Please do it folks. Make sure you bad-mouth the telecom minister, the home minister. While at it, please bad mouth the cops as much as possible (they'll be the ones who'll be overhearing, recording and listening to the tapes later). Go for it.

Re:So now all tech support calls are monitored? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43668899)

Forgot to answer the original question. They can do nothing. They can do no shit whatsoever. Yes, even if you are traveling to India. That is, unless you say some instigatory stuff, riling up religious fervor, or plotting things etc (in which case you'd be in trouble with your own govt first, because the Indians will report you). So just bad mouth the politicians and cops, use foul language etc. Or just point out the real issues like corruption, rapidly falling morality etc.

This is a priority? (1)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | about a year ago | (#43664945)

Of all the things India needs to spend money on right now I'd put this near the bottom of the list.

Re:This is a priority? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43668903)

Silence. For their corrupt politicians, it's top priority.

Social Order (1)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#43665137)

That's a buzzword from back in India's socialist days. I guess the free market, democracy talk is just all a bunch of bullshit.

[ New World | Social ] Order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665897)

Democracy? You really mean "Demon-Mock-Crazy". Kalyug, meet Jacob's Trouble.

It won't be long before Aseem Trivedi and Alok Dixit are martyred along with the Sikhs. If there are "convenient" outbreaks of virulent diseases there, presume false flag population control (Georgia Guidestones) by the UN and global elites to save the local corrupt elites in their compounds with separate atmospheres, food stores and life support systems. At this rate, don't expect a Tiranga on the Moon in this century, if ever.

It grieves me to say this. If religion is the essence of culture and culture is the dress of religion, then corruption is the essence of Desi and Desi is the dress of corruption. Don't screetch "racism, bigotry, etc." to me. Prove me wrong by your kaam!

Re:[ New World | Social ] Order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43669433)

There is a good chance you've got asperger's syndrome.

Re:[ New World | Social ] Order (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43674585)

# sudo mknod -m 0666 /dev/naraka c 1 3 ; create the hell
# mv aap /dev/naraka ; Go to the hell! (Hindi)

Re:Social Order (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#43666621)

I just came here to say this sounds a lot like China's "Social Harmony."

Could be a good thing (2)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year ago | (#43665235)

Maybe we'll actually start to see implementation the end-to-end encryption that should have been there on everything from the beginning*.

*Admittedly, it wasn't really practical in the beginning but those days are long past

Wait india has internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665373)

Since when? O_O I mean most of the people in India live in poverty and dirt poor conditions as it is.

Re:Wait india has internet? (2)

jma05 (897351) | about a year ago | (#43666885)

I will respond to this obvious troll since there is an informational opportunity. I went for gratis Internet classes in 1996 (gopher, veronica, archie - remember them?). The cybercafes were in full force by 1998.

Cheapest unlimited & WiFi Internet access now is $5/month. Rural areas get cheaper rates. Smartphone Internet plans are at $4/month. In India, even a poor man on a bicycle can afford a mobile phone. I know people in huts who have 3 of them (no, they are not being spendy). Unlike US, there actually is a free market when it comes to telecom and even the dirt poor of us can afford it.

Terrorism my foot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665553)

This is just a tool for the government to stifle increasing public dissent against its increasingly blatant corrupt practices. Almost every minister in the govt. is involved in big ticket corruption. Every week throws up a new scam involving some big names. Hell, the Law Minister(!!) of the country was recently caught trying to change a report by the CBI (Central Bureau of Investigation) implicating the government in a scam. The Railway Minister is involved in a huge pay-to-be-promoted scam. This is just in the last two weeks. There are scores of other such "-gates". The government refuses to sack the corrupt ministers, openly saying it will "brazen it out" instead. This is easily one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

Re:Terrorism my foot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665699)

Hell, the Law Minister(!!) of the country was recently caught trying to change a report by the CBI (Central Bureau of Investigation) implicating the government in a scam.

Isn't "Hell" an Abrahamic concept? Would not "8.4E6 iterations in the Cosmic Spin Cycle" be more appropriate?

Re:Terrorism my foot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665771)

No, the Abrahamic religions do not hold the monopoly on hell. Hindus believe in the existence of a heaven (called Swarga) and a hell (called Naraka).

Re:Terrorism my foot... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43666003)

Are these permanent abodes for the righteous and unrighteous respectively?

Re:Terrorism my fuddu... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43679263)

I'm sorry, but Naraka has been deprecated in favor of Punjab, which is the REAL Hell. With all that contaminated water, polluted air, pesticides, farmer suicides, CANCER, Monsanto Frankencrops, industrial pollution, atomic waste, proliferation of liquor shops, facilitating opium to be pipelined from Talibanistan via AfghanoSindhoBalochistan straightway into the veins of Punjabi youth, state sponsored harassment by real terrorists Shiv "We Torch Sikhs for Fun & Profit" Sena, and identity oppression, Naraka just could not compete.

Terrorists...like K.P.^W Gill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665655)

What a convenient time to announce the Panopticon now that SADDA HAQ [wikipedia.org] has been screened.

There are two kinds of Sikhs in India. The first are Pakhandis who tie Pagh on the outside to conceal the absence of the 10 Gurus on the inside. You know, those are the likes of Kurvi-Tasch Pale Pink Pagh K.P.^W "They Should Cut the Word 'S'"® Gill and the Sky Blue Flange Pagh "Hey PTC camera crew, start shooting! Look, I bow at the Darbar Sahib" Manmohan ^W. The average gaura who sports a bandhana, a five o'clock shadow and performs random acts of kindness is more of a Sikh than these. The second are those gratuitously called "Terrorists" that are targeted by the first. These have simple demands like clean water, fresh air, food grown in fertile soil, not being poisoned with pesticides, ending farmer suicides, Monsanto Frankencrops, industrial pollution, atomic waste, proliferation of liquor shops, facilitating opium to be pipelined from Talibanistan via AfghanoSindhoBalochistan straightway into the veins of Punjabi youth, state sponsored harassment by real terrorists Shiv "We Torch Sikhs for Fun & Profit" Sena, and last but not least, the right to their own language, culture and religion.

Thus the "need" for Orwellianism. Will someone please address this super snooper program to the ash piles bearing 2.5 lakh charred and rusted karhas?

BSN~SSA

Many Rapi (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43665799)

Hello! I am Many Rapi from India. Sent me your sister.

Power and control (1)

cheap.computer (1036494) | about a year ago | (#43665825)

China pretty much does the same thing, they even block incoming and outgoing traffic through their "Great Fire Wall". In a nation state like India, which is a union of essentially 24 different cultures, the only way the govt found to keep people together and stay as one country is through coercion, and free people might not let that happen. Given a chance India will split into 500+ princely states like before independence from the British. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_princely_states_of_India [wikipedia.org]

Re:Power and control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43666105)

India is truly a MESS (Multi-Ethnic Super State). Would the breakup finally liberate Khalistan?

Re:Power and control (1)

jma05 (897351) | about a year ago | (#43666511)

Duuuude. I am assuming you are a Pakistani who still gets fed this propaganda, because nobody in India cares about Khalistan anymore. After that dark period of violence, the Sikhs have been well integrated. We cannot imagine India without them. Of all the states, they now have the most popular culture. Mine does not even register. We love everything about them. Get over it.

Re:Power and control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43679009)

Well integrated Sikhs? Might you be talking about the pakhandis that tie dastaar merely to impress others, guzzle sharaab, do puja which is contrary to Gurmat in general and Sikh Rehat Maryada in particular, eve-teasing females from the motorbikes, and [gasp] watch Santa Banta Ha-Ha-Ha with the cartoons [P-O-T-Y] that look like the artwork of "Family Guy"?

As objects of degrading humor, perhaps, you know, Sardar-ji. bara~ bajje gayee! Zameer's "Hoo Menu Tatti Anee Payee!"

Re:Power and control (1)

jma05 (897351) | about a year ago | (#43694247)

I had a Sikh roommate for 3 years and many Sikh classmates at the university. They were about as religious as non-Sikhs (my roommate was more religious), respectful and never bothered women. I am sorry to hear that your experiences fared worse. Alcohol? My roommate did not want to be in the room if I used a bouillon sachet with chicken extract that I had to stop. Neither of us ever touched liquors (not for religious reasons in my case).

So what if some Sikh youths are not religious and are hedonistic. Is this a “No true Scotsman” argument? Isn’t it normal in a modern society for youths to be less religious and grow more religious as they get closer to their mortality? Isn’t there room for cultural Sikhs/Hindus etc. who don’t place any emphasis on the supernatural?

My roommate brought up Sardar jokes on perhaps a couple of occasions. It’s OK in my book for Kushwanth Singh to tell Sardar jokes, for Russell Peters to tell Indian jokes and for Jon Stewart to tell Jewish jokes. Never heard of Santa Banta Ha-Ha-Ha till now. I did read of bara bajje jokes in a Kushwant Singh book.

What exactly does Khalistan achieve? What will it allow Sikhs to do that they cannot now? Impose a state religion? Is that the teaching of the gurus? (I read Sikh scriptures, here and there. I liked their open philosophical views which I thought were quite compatible with a modern society)

India is not yet a developed country. People of such regions are better off organized into large countries, as long as there is a fair constitution in effect. When splintered, they simply get taken advantage of on the world stage. While not robust, India has better leverage due to its size in ways that its neighbors (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal) of similar development levels do not have. For richer countries, size matters less.

Re:Power and control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43679317)

What is this "duuuuuuude" nonsense? Have you been "Californicated"?

Selling data to foreign secret services (1)

Andyupnorth (1578973) | about a year ago | (#43666135)

Selling the information to the CIA, MI6, Mossad, etc may partially help to pay for the Central Monitoring System... Oh, who am I kidding? It'll go straight to the pockets of a few insider employees.

Re:Selling data to foreign secret services (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43666503)

This has already happened.

RAW (Indian signals intelligence) in conjunction with the United State's NSA and the TATA corporation tapped SEA-ME-WE 3 through the VSNL gateway in Mumbai. This allows the NSA access to communications all over that region.

--ANON

Smartphone based resistance movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43666259)

Oppression is the same everywhere. There is a level reached where the USA is no different than DPRK and it is the same with India. Ballots mean nothing except the academic exercise of the franchise.

Steganography comes to mind. I could speak of other measures, but not in plaintext. Let your informed imagination fill in the details.

IP and Outsourcing (1)

ohnocitizen (1951674) | about a year ago | (#43666279)

If I had a company that outsourced development of my product to India, I'd be pretty nervous.

Re:IP and Outsourcing (1)

zmaragdus (1686342) | about a year ago | (#43667231)

Why? There are tons of companies that already outsource products to China, and they don't seem to be worried about it. Proprietary information and trade secrets? Not anymore thanks to the plethora of hackers out there itching to get their fingers on it and give it to their bosses for a pat on the back. The only difference I see is that the Indian government is being forthright about their monitoring, while other countries throw up the "No we're not! You can't prove it!" excuse.

Placation 101, crosslisted as Dictatorship 101 (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43666781)

> with thestated aim usually to preserve social order

I do believe this is the reason dictators give.

>and national security

Hmmm. Maybe it's about memes to placate sufficient quantities of the masses.

Re:Placation 101, crosslisted as Dictatorship 101 (1)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a year ago | (#43671411)

> with thestated aim usually to preserve social order

I do believe this is the reason dictators give.

While I am not convinced that central snooping is necessary for that, we have to admit that it may be a real challenge to keep social order in a country with multiple languages, religions and ethnic groups, and huge wealth differences. In fact I always admired that India managed to remain a democratic nation, given the challenges it faces.

Let me guess ... they call it a Call Center ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43671293)

As in :

Dude -- you are SO under surveillance !!!!!

And (1)

NewYork (1602285) | about a year ago | (#43677361)

99% Indians are living off the grid

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