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Next Up (2, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43680285)

So, the Nook is history, and we will see a crippled Sidewalk or Ceiling Tile or Man Hole or whatever that Microsoft thing is? Oh yes... The Surface.

Re:Next Up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680371)

we will see a crippled Sidewalk or Ceiling Tile or Man Hole or whatever that Microsoft thing is? Oh yes... The Surface.
 
That's the best you can come up with? Maybe the Surface isn't that bad after all. It's telling when your attempt at an insult comes off as limp as a faggot looking at a Hustler magazine.
 
Not to mention that you're so fucking stupid that you actually subscribe to Slashfag.
 
LOLZZzz!!!

Re:Next Up (-1, Flamebait)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43680397)

That's the best you can come up with? Maybe the Surface isn't that bad after all. It's telling when your attempt at an insult comes off as limp as a faggot looking at a Hustler magazine.

Not to mention that you're so fucking stupid that you actually subscribe to Slashfag.

Mmmmm. When do you graduate from high school? Vocational collage awaits you! Followed by "would you like fries with that" ... By the way, I will take cash back with my purchase, thank you.

Re:Next Up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680439)

LOLZZZ!!! Batting a thousand! You're a real treat. Go suck another dick and come back around when you have a real insult.

Re:Next Up (1)

exomondo (1725132) | about a year ago | (#43680469)

Vocational collage

collage?

Re:Next Up (3, Funny)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43680571)

Vocational collage

collage?

Yes. Simular to Basket Weaving 101.

Re:Next Up (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681419)

Admit it, you got fucking owned like the punk ass bitch fuck you are.

Re:Next Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680577)

Someone who makes collages for a living?

Awesome guys.... (2)

Motard (1553251) | about a year ago | (#43680883)

Lesser sites might offer conjectures about why MS might be interested in Nook - or, might not be. Perhaps the up and down sides of such a strategy. That would be interesting to read.

But ragging on typo's is much more /.. Woot!

Re:Awesome guys.... (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681255)

Uhhh..that would be two sentences long friend. Why is MSFT interested? iTunes. What are the ups and downs? The ups are the existing customers and the down is they will all be gone in less than 2 years as MSFT hamfistedly tries to force them into a poorly made MSFT ecosystem that costs more than the more popular Apple and Google offerings.

There ya go Motard, I have covered the entire thing in two sentences. Anybody who says anything other than "Don't buy until we see where they are going with this" can be argued to be a fanboy as the track record on MSFT and consumer products is beyond abysmal, Zune,Kin,Sidekick,Zune market, WinRT, winPhone 7, their track record is poorly thought out products that kill any fan base of the product they buy because they just don't know how to make a compelling product or service in the consumer space.

Re:Next Up (3, Interesting)

tripleevenfall (1990004) | about a year ago | (#43680777)

We have two companies admitting failure here, B&N and MSFT.

It's too bad about the Nook, they are nice devices. Nook should have won over Kindle, but B&N didnt have the foresight years ago to get into the everything business the way Amazon did, so they were always going to be muscled out of the market.

Microsoft on the other hand will probably just try to make money off Nook's patent portfolio, given they have failed with their "Surface" (which, near as I can tell, is some kind of break-dancing tutor device.)

Re:Next Up (5, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | about a year ago | (#43680971)

So Nook was a failure for B&N? Sure, maybe it's not giving Amazon as much of a run for its money as B&N hoped. But then again, just what does B&N think it's going to do if it gives up on Nook now? Sell magazines and coffee? Good luck on that >cough< Borders >cough<.

Re:Next Up (1, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43681363)

Our pop, impatient "gotta have it now" while at the same time "I'll wait for the movie because reading is too time consuming" mentality is destroying not just our own brain cells, but reducung the capacity and potention of our children.

I'm too tired to think about this, but I'm pretty sure it's tragic.

Re:Next Up (3, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#43681581)

Nook had a lot of advantages too. Epub format so you could get books from other vendors (not sure how hard that was) and back them up somewhere for safety, whereas kindle prefers a proprietary format. Nook had a lot of features before Kindle too, like pdf and book lending. Amazon has taken the step of recalling books with DRM, which I haven't heard about B&N doing yet.

And face it, Amazon is a far bigger faceless entity than B&N. If you like real book stores then B&N wins.

Re:Next Up (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#43681441)

Microsoft on the other hand will probably just try to make money off Nook's patent portfolio

B&N were one of the few companies that didn't cave in to Microsoft's FATx extortion racket. That won't be happening again.

Re:Next Up (3, Interesting)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#43681941)

I agree that it'll be a loss for consumers if the Nook disappears. However...

I've owned (or currently own) three Kindles, one Nook (the glow light version), and the new Kobo that got slashvertised here a few weeks ago. As I've posted before, Amazon simply has the best platform of the three (I haven't tried others). It's ridiculously easy to sideload books wirelessly, without jailbreaking, to all of your Kindles at once. More importantly, Kindle will sync the location of sideloaded books. Third-party publishers, such as Baen, already offer MOBI files, so you don't even need to use Calibre.

The only other eBook vendor I know of that syncs sideloaded stuff is Apple, and they don't have a dedicated eReader, and sideloading is a little bit trickier than the Kindle. I haven't checked out Google; how are they in this arena?

I've also found Amazon to be the cheapest, at least for books I actually want to read. Two books on my shortlist, A Fire Upon the Deep and The Last Colony, are both $2 more on the Kobo store. A couple dollars here and there add up. (My solution right now is to buy on Amazon and convert it for the Kobo.)

What makes it all so frustrating is that Amazon has the worst hardware of the three. It isn't that it's bad, it's that it's very utilitarian. The Nook has the best-feeling reader, while the Kobo has the best software (their text options are downright great), screen, and backlight.

Re:Next Up (2)

emaname (1014225) | about a year ago | (#43682189)

...given they have failed with their "Surface" (which, near as I can tell, is some kind of break-dancing tutor device.)

Oh man, tripleevenfall, do I wish I had mod points for you. Clearly that's the impression from their goofy commercial. I just can't understand what the hipster is doing in there.

Re:Next Up (1)

arglebargle_xiv (2212710) | about a year ago | (#43682283)

We have two companies admitting failure here, B&N and MSFT.

Microsoft isn't admitting failure, it's a brilliant strategy. What they're no doubt planning to do is port Windows Nothing (formerly Windows RT, renamed due to its 0.00% market share [zdnet.com]), to the Nook. Anything divided by nothing is infinity, so Microsoft will gain infinite market share through this move. Sheer brilliance.

Re:Next Up (3, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43680885)

I don't know why you got modded down since buying companies and tech and shitting all over them and making them worthless? Been their MO for several years now. Zune, Kin, Sidekick, killing the profitable playsforsure for the DOA Zune market, if its one thing MSFT is good at its taking a lesser player on the field and totally ruining it. I'm shocked that Amazon's stock didn't go up more at the announcement as nook has been the only competition they've had in eReaders and MSFT will kill them dead, most likely by getting rid of the cheap hardware and going "herps derp, they'll buy a $1000 MSFT Surface cuz of the Nook, we're special! herpa de derpa". because MSFT is gonna sell at Apple prices or die dammit!...of course it looks like the "or die dammit!" is what is gonna happen in reality.

Poor MSFT shareholders, it must be frustrating as hell to watch the company be run off the rails by an incompetent CEO that has the biggest shareholder as his BFF so no matter how he shits on the company he can't be fired. I've seen many saying that "when things get bad enough Bill will come back!"...no he won't, Jobs had his massive ego tied into his company, Bill has cashed out enough stock he could live like a God if MSFT burned to the ground. More likely he'll quietly cash out and walk away,he doesn't care about his old company anymore, its nothing like Jobs and Apple.

The Age Old Story (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#43680305)

If you can't grow a market, just buy one.

Re:The Age Old Story (4, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | about a year ago | (#43680335)

And then burn it to the ground.

Re:The Age Old Story (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680421)

But the fourth one stayed up! And that's what you're going to get, lad, the shittiest tablet in all of England.

Re:The Age Old Story (2)

OhSoLaMeow (2536022) | about a year ago | (#43680619)

But the fourth one stayed up! And that's what you're going to get, lad, the shittiest tablet in all of England.

Where's my Mod Funny points when I need then?

Re:The Age Old Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680637)

Burning digital bits? Sounds like a fire sale!

Re:The Age Old Story (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43680931)

God isn't that the truth and the royal bitch is the entire thing comes down to MSFT having no idea what their own strengths are so that aping Apple is hamstringing the entire company.

Look at playsforsure, which to me is a perfect example of MSFT taking a growing market and burning it to the ground trying to be Apple, right before the Zune came out the playsforsure market was growing like mad, you could buy playsforsure devices at every price point, from the $20 gumstix MP3 players at the checkout counter to $300 PMPs, and because there was a rich ecosystem both on the hardware and the software side it was growing thanks to good old competition and with every sale MSFT was getting a cut....what happened? Most likely Ballmer or one of his PHBs said "Its not like Apple, they get a BIG cut and we only get a small one because we aren't in control, we need to fix this!" and promptly destroyed the whole fucking thing.

This is gonna piss off the FOSS advocates when i point this out but what has always sold MSFT tech is how OPEN it was, how you quickly got competition and economies of scale so you have every price point and possible consumer covered. Anybody could write Windows software, any website could sell Windows software, you had all this competition which compared to the locked down centralized control of Apple was appealing, but now Ballmer is shitting all over that because HE wants to be Apple, HE wants a "Microsoft ecosystem" where he gets a 30% cut of everything, and its fucking slaughtering the company because its throwing out everything that MSFT was strong at, plenty of competition and open systems, and leaning on everything they sucked at, making "ecosystems" and tying everything together.

Re: The Age Old Story (2)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43681343)

The main difference is that MS was chasing the wrong revenue stream. Apple sells music because it sells players. Apple doesn't really care that you are tied to their music store. MS pissed off many of their partners by making a player that only worked with their store. Years later the Zune sold some units but was it worth it to alienate all their partners.

Re:The Age Old Story (2)

SEE (7681) | about a year ago | (#43681655)

Oh, yeah.

I mean, imagine if the Zune, instead of being an effort at an Apple-type ecosystem, had been an effort at a platform attack on Apple?

Imagine a Zune that supported PlaysForSureâ"and every other format Microsoft could manage to add. Even open-source formats like Ogg Vorbis.

That had a fully-documented, royalty-free accessories port, for both the hardware and software, and a sufficiently-documented sync protocol to allow third-party media players (even for *nix) to work with the device.

That launched in a massive cross-promotion with Walmart, which at the time was running its own PlaysForSure market. Which involved Microsoft and Walmart handing the Beatles enough money to get them to release their music on Walmart's market, but not iTunes.

That supported end-user replacement of old batteries, complete with such replacements being carried by (of course) Walmart.

In short, a device not designed to mimic Apple, but to aim at every single weak spot the iPod had, in an effort to create a replacement ecosystem of music devices where Microsoft would collect small royalties on device firmware and PlaysForSure music sales.

That could have actually worked.

It would have screwed the rest of us, at least for a while, because with PlaysForSure live the record companies would have at least delayed cutting the deals that let Walmart and the like sell non-DRM MP3s. But Microsoft would have been in a much better position as a result.

Re:The Age Old Story (1)

readingaccount (2909349) | about a year ago | (#43682335)

Microsoft will learn. They have enough money to "fail" every so often, and eventually they keep bouncing back by delivering a gem after fucking up. But right now they seem to want to take the strategies that other companies like Apple are using, and give them a bit of a Microsoft twist but in the wrong direction. So you end up with advertisements for Surface with poppy music, quick edits and people dancing and jumping, as if that's how anyone uses computers. It only works for Apple because they're considered much more cool compared to Microsoft, so when MS tries it, it just comes off as hamfisted and try-hard. Like an old man trying to sprout words he's heard from young folks.

Re:The Age Old Story (1)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#43680591)

If you can't grow a market, just buy one.

That's right. That's business. Sometimes that's the best business decision. It doesn't seem to bother you, since you're posting on a site owned by Dice.com that bought their way into the geek market, right?

Re:The Age Old Story (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43680981)

I think you missed the point which is that as a business strategy that can work IF you understand the market you are buying into, but with Zune, Sin, Sidekick, Zune market, and WinRT I don't think its a stretch to say MSFT doesn't have a damned clue about consumer media so they will just burn it like they burned so many others.

Re:The Age Old Story (2)

PCM2 (4486) | about a year ago | (#43680991)

That's right. That's business. Sometimes that's the best business decision.

I think what the GP was implying is that Microsoft had no chance of growing a market in e-books, couldn't grow one if it tried, and that once it owns Nook it will still be completely incapable of growing the market it just bought -- in fact it will shrink. Sometimes the best business decision is to stay out of markets where your company has no competency.

Re:The Age Old Story (1)

chowdahhead (1618447) | about a year ago | (#43681115)

There's really no reason to buy a Nook now that there are better tablets at the same pricepoint and comparable ones for less. A lot has changed in two year's time.

Re:The Age Old Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680703)

I'm fine with that. I wasn't going to buy a Nook anyway.

Re:The Age Old Story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681421)

If you can't maintain a monopoly...

*fixed it.

WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680315)

Aren't they the (pretty much only) Android vendor to refuse to pay up to Microsoft's patent racket? And it says Microsoft owns 17% of them - is that right?

Re:WTF? (4, Insightful)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43680417)

Microsoft bought Nook up when Barns & Noble stood up to them saying take it to court of bugger off. So rather then risk loosing in court and in turn having all of the android device manufacturers turning on them, they tried to save face and "partnered" with Barns and Noble, who being primarily book sellers not tech people weren't familiar with the Microsoft motto "embrace extend extinguish".

Re:WTF? (2)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43680589)

That’s only half right - Barns and Noble has been having issues with year – thanks to Amazon. When the initial purchase was made I did not hear a peep about the lawsuit from anybody – It was B&N was getting out of clicks to focus on bricks.

Re:WTF? (1)

paiute (550198) | about a year ago | (#43680677)

It was B&N was getting out of clicks to focus on bricks.

The B&N CEO must have just read The Road Ahead.

Re:WTF? (2)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | about a year ago | (#43680753)

Yup. Same ol' sleazy "business model" they've used from the very beginning. And they say China has no tech imagination. Anyway, so long, Nook, it's been good to know you. Probly won't like you anymore once the price goes up 300 or 400 percent and you get an ugly new MS scare-mask face.

Re:WTF? (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | about a year ago | (#43681049)

The main problem B&N has is the lack of truly open tablets. When I want to read one of my Nook books, I read it on my Kindle using the Nook app (or on my old E-ink Nook if it's a novel and not a technical manual).

So, given that, why were they in the tablet business? Because if they relied on other tablets to carry their application, they risked being muscled completely out of the market.Now the Nook app was trivial to install on my Kindle, but I expect that Amazon could break it in their gimped implementation/fork of Android if they wanted.

(Incidentally, before anyone thinks, "well you are the sucker who bought a gimped Android Kindle," I haven't bought either a Nook or a Kindle, they were both gifts. I did buy a Blackberry Playbook, so who be smart now? Yaaarr....)

i'm trying to figure out who "walled garden" is good for other than the first movers who get a demi-monopoly and the top also ran who gets to live on the edge of the cliff unless they take the throne. (See: The History of Video Games NES to Present.)

To me it's idiotic that Microsoft, who built their business on "we don't care who makes software as long as it's for our platform, though someday we may steal your idea and give it away for free with the OS," trying to be the 4th place Also-ran walled garden. but I'm just a simple country programmer... I still think there's money to be made by someone saying "screw the walled garden, we'll make it up in marketshare."

Anyone want to buy mine? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680329)

If they buy it, i'm dumping my simple touch ( which i do love ). Screw them, and the horse they rode in on. It does explain why B&N passed up on the batch of 6.8" e-ink screens that just became available.. They are done with the business.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (0)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about a year ago | (#43680365)

If they buy it, i'm dumping my simple touch ( which i do love ). Screw them, and the horse they rode in on.

That's just silly.

Microsoft has owned a significant (but not majority) steak in Nook for some time, certainly when you purchased your unit. And, what does Nook's future direction (into the toilet) have to do with its past when you purchased your unit from Nook who at that time already had a significant Microsoft ownership?

Oh, that's right, fan boys and common sense don't mix...

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

Lynchenstein (559620) | about a year ago | (#43680437)

Right. Don't get in the way of, or call him out on, his irrationality.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680955)

I got your irrationality right here.. come closer and ill shove it down your Microsoft loving throat, idiot.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680553)

I do believe that Microsoft bought into B&N after the touch came out. If you bought your touch on day one, it was scum-free.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680651)

Well, one issue is that the units auto-update so they can do whatever they want with it. Another is that they basically own your library. A third is that Microsoft has a competing product in the surface. Another is that Microsoft makes it clear that they just Don't Get It(TM) and I don't expect them to do anything good with the Nook and I also don't expect them to leave it alone. And finally, Microsoft has given us many reasons to loathe them over the years.

But yeah, rant on about fanboyism. That's all it is.

I'm not going to get rid of mine. I'm going to run my files through calibre and just keep it as an offline device until it is time to replace it (maybe with a Kindle). And I'll install cyanogenmod on my Nook Tablet.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | about a year ago | (#43680781)

17 percent stake doesn't give them significant control. Now they can let their shit fly unimpeded. Big difference. Only silver lining is that the remaining stock might sell out for next to nothing, and the Nook is easily modded to run pure Android, IIRC.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681123)

Thanks for the heads up, didn't know they were easy to make into an android tablet. I have been noticing in previous weeks that Nooks have been showing up a LOT on sites like IceMonkey and Woot! so I figured something had to be going on with B&N, I just figured they were gonna walk away after losing their shirt against Amazon.

While I feel sorry for anybody who bought a Nook at full price i can't blame B&N for getting what they can by selling it to MSFT, its just a damned shame that you can say goodbye to the cheap Nooks and Nook Colors as MSFT will probably pull the plug and try to "monetize" the customers by making it a service that only runs on those $$$ Surface pads they can't give away.

But now that I know they can run Android (Which version? ICS?) I'll have to keep an eye out as i missed out on the cheap Playbooks and Touchpads and the hardware on the Color looks nice, thanks again.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

pecosdave (536896) | about a year ago | (#43681895)

My Nook Simple-Touch runs straight up Android fine for the most part, few things are buggy and don't work right, but it's not exactly meant to be high power.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681083)

Uhhhh...because like those that bought playsforsure devices, Kin and Sidekick he has EVERY right to believe that MSFT will kill support for the existing devices and try to force the owners into a "Microsoft Ecosystem" where the devices cost more than Apple's and the media is more expensive to boot?

While i'm 100% against rampant flag waving and fanboyism and am quick to call them to the carpet when they do so anybody who owns a device that is bought out by MSFT has every right to seriously think about dumping it before it becomes worthless, just ask those that had a Toshiba beat (which is what became the Zune) how much support they got after MSFT bought it.

This is coming from somebody who has built, owned, and supported Windows hardware since Win 3.11FW and NT 3 and frankly I wouldn't trust the company either when it comes to the consumer space, their track record is pathetic.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about a year ago | (#43681463)

If they buy it, i'm dumping my simple touch ( which i do love ). Screw them, and the horse they rode in on.

That's just silly.

Microsoft has owned a significant (but not majority) steak in Nook for some time, certainly when you purchased your unit. And, what does Nook's future direction (into the toilet) have to do with its past when you purchased your unit from Nook who at that time already had a significant Microsoft ownership?

Oh, that's right, fan boys and common sense don't mix...

Not so fast. There are serious ramifications here.

The Nook is 2 things: A) the Nook hardware, which is what Microsoft is apparently buying out. B) the Nook B&N store, which they presumably aren't, since that part effectively is B&N.

Without the B&N store, a Nook loses a lot of what it was purchased for, so if Microsoft should drop that particular function in a future OS upgrade, your entire Nook library effectively gets erased. You may be able to install a Nook app to some other device/desktop/phone, but the Nook unit itself might be left unable to serve as a B&N e-reader. This is even more of a problem when you consider that all but the first generation of Nooks keep their B&N purchases in a hidden space inaccessible to the tablet filesystem.

So there's good reason to get bent here.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

reub2000 (705806) | about a year ago | (#43681551)

Nope. The nook simple touch was released almost a year before microsoft invested in nook. Very plausible that he like me bought it before the deal had been announced.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (2)

darkwing_bmf (178021) | about a year ago | (#43680513)

I also like my simple touch. Unfortunately, I have a feeling Microsoft will nuke the ebooks I've bought through B&N just like they did to all the songs marked as "plays for sure".

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | about a year ago | (#43681015)

I also like my simple touch. Unfortunately, I have a feeling Microsoft will nuke the ebooks I've bought through B&N just like they did to all the songs marked as "plays for sure".

I buy books from B&N (and occasionally Google, when their prices are better) because I believe in supporting authors and the publishers that put out their books.

I also immediately crack the books I buy and store copies of them locally and on cloud storage, so I'll never lose them just because the Nook store shuts down. Removing the DRM takes less than a second.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681357)

And anybody who doesn't think MSFT is a failing company need only look to the history of playsforsure, which for the rest of this I'll call PFS for short.

At the time PFS was the only real competition that iTunes had and thanks to MSFT taking an open approach to Apple's walled garden was actually growing at a fairly good clip. Not only did just about every PMP other than the iPod have PFS support but there was a whole new market opened up in the "all you can eat" rental model where you were basically given the money you paid for the service each month back in free MP3s and the device only had to be hooked to a PC once a month to re-authorize which let you change out the songs you downloaded through the services. This was actually even getting talk of creating a popular alternative to iTunes as it allowed anybody for $10-$15 a month to have all the songs their PMP could hold while adding more features, such as playlists made by fans of the genres so you could just hook up and get an "all metal" or "just top 40" or whatever playlist loaded to your system with a single touch.

So what happened? Just as we are seeing now in other arenas MSFT's management couldn't stand the thought of "only" getting a few cents for each MP3 and PMP player sold and instead wanted the entire thing (like Apple surprise surprise) so they killed it figuring "well if they bought from the other guys they will pay us more for the same service, right?" and instead of growing the market, having a real competitor to iTunes, and even having a way to get a toehold into the living room by adding a video plays for sure they instead totally wiped out the entire market almost overnight. In less than a year all the services that used PFS was shuttered, iTunes had no real competition until Amazon came along, and they went from getting a few cents for every MP3 and PMP sold on the planet to getting $0 for each.

To me this perfectly illustrates how the leadership at MSFT doesn't even understand the market or their strengths but instead are so damned focused on doing things like Apple that they are just killing the company. MSFT is NOT Apple, will never BE Apple, and trying to shoehorn them into that market would be like trying to make IBM popular with hip hop fans, it just isn't gonna work.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (2)

D1G1T (1136467) | about a year ago | (#43680631)

These going away is a good reason to buy one now. The simple touch is great for rooting giving you a pretty good e-ink android tablet. I've been eyeing them on eBay for a couple weeks now. Time to pull the trigger I think.

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (2)

butalearner (1235200) | about a year ago | (#43680669)

These going away is a good reason to buy one now. The simple touch is great for rooting giving you a pretty good e-ink android tablet. I've been eyeing them on eBay for a couple weeks now. Time to pull the trigger I think.

You missed out. Yesterday the Simple Touch went on clearance at Radio Shack for $20, and the one with GlowLight was $30. The scum of the Earth, I mean, eBay resellers, will have cleaned them out by now, unless you get super lucky. I snagged the last regular Simple Touch at my local one for a grand total of $20.97 and I'm going to Nooter [google.com] it this weekend..

Re:Anyone want to buy mine? (1)

D1G1T (1136467) | about a year ago | (#43681169)

I'm in Canada and they don't sell em here and eBay is pretty much the easiest option. So I HOPE a lot of eBay scum snatched them up in volume and try to out-do each other on price!

Our story so far... (1, Insightful)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43680375)

Well, it's an improvement. They stopped innovating and went to almost 10 years of mee-too-itis, not learning from IBM and OS 2, and it caught up to them. So buy an innovation that isn't mee too.

Buying other peoples' successful stuff has its own issues.

you're assuming... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680383)

That the Nook had a market to burn. The hardware-for-price was a winner for the form factor but ultimately B&Ns walled garden app store proved once again that what people really want is selection.

I own 3 nooks, but they're all running CM 10.1. Stock ROM is very limited.

Video game consoles, for counterexample (3, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43680489)

If "what people really want is selection", then why do people buy video game consoles instead of PCs? PCs have a far larger selection of video games and other applications than consoles due to the far lower overhead and the far less strict developer qualifications. Why would people want selection on a tablet but not on a TV?

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (2)

alexander_686 (957440) | about a year ago | (#43680693)

Ease of use (I have never owned a console, but I know how to set the jumpers on my SoundBlaster to get sound.). It is the difference between a Swiss army knife and a screwdriver. One does everything, the other does 1 thing well.

As for the Nook – why not an Amazon Kindle (arguably a better selection) or a full fledge table (better everything, but higher cost)? It just did not land in that sweet spot of cost / performance / selection / ease of use.

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681539)

As for the Nook – why not an Amazon Kindle (arguably a better selection) or a full fledge table (better everything, but higher cost)? It just did not land in that sweet spot of cost / performance / selection / ease of use.

I bought several Nook devices, rather than Kindle. This started when Android still didn't have a good solution for tablets, and I didn't want to wait for Google to get it all sorted out. I liked the Nook hardware, I liked the price, I liked the somewhat more open ecosystem (compared to Kindle), and I liked that the Cyanogenmod community had figured out how to root them.

The Kindle Fire HD is a nice device, which is popular, which must be hurting Nook. But when the Nook Color tablet first shipped, IMHO it whipped the Kindle offerings at the time.

These days I do all my reading on my Galaxy Nexus or my Nexus 7. (I gave my rooted Nook Color to my nephew, who can finger-paint, play Angry Birds, etc.)

I might buy another e-ink Nook but I won't be buying any more Nook tablets. I do have the Nook app installed, though.

P.S. Most of my ebooks came from O'Reilly or Baen.

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (1)

mcrbids (148650) | about a year ago | (#43682265)

Jumpers?

On a Sound Blaster?

The last sound blaster I recall having jumpers was a farking ISA model. Since going to all PCI in about 1998-9, I've never seen one that ever need any kind of setting...

Just how old is your computer?!?

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about a year ago | (#43680837)

> Why do people buy video game consoles instead of PCs

Simple: Ease of use. You don't have to fart around with updating drivers, keeping all the software up-to-date, worry about viruses, performance tweaking, etc.

Remember computing generally falls into 2 camps:
    Simplicity < - - - and - - - > Flexibility

Most costumers don't give a crap about flexibility - they just want something works and is easy to use, ala iOS. Which is a segue to my next point; Tech companies forget the biggest barrier to customers:

      Out-of-box experience

Consoles _used_ to provide a Plug-n-Play experience, as in, just plug it in, and start playing. Once they started shipping with hard drives & broadband access the OEMs and Game Devs have gotten extremely sloppy with their mentality --- i.e. "We can always patch later on day 0."

PC's smoke consoles from a performance and flexibility use but consoles for the most part are just dumb gaming devices that almost anyone can just use; ala the success of the Wii with the older crowd.

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681031)

Personally, I buy video game consoles because the games I want to play are released only for consoles. The same goes for pretty much any other platform: people don't care about theoretical selection and amount of content, they care whether the device they are considering buying supports the specific content they intend to buy.

Buying and carrying four tablets (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43681203)

Personally, I buy video game consoles because the games I want to play are released only for consoles.

No matter what console you buy, you can't play both Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Halo 3 because not only are these exclusive to consoles, but they're also exclusive to different consoles. Do people actually buy and carry an iPad for iOS-only applications, a Nexus tablet for Google Play-only applications, a Kindle Fire for Kindle-only streaming videos, and a Nook for Nook-only whatever?

For another, why are third- party games "released only for consoles" in the first place? I imagine that it'd be easier to port an Xbox 360 game to Windows than to port it to PlayStation 3 because DirectX for Windows is far more similar to DirectX for Xbox 360 than either is to libgcm for PlayStation 3. Yet Mortal Kombat (2011) is available on Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 but not PC. To continue the analogy, is there some sort of incentive for publishers to make their works available on Nook but not the iBookstore or Google Play Books?

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | about a year ago | (#43681143)

People don't buy consoles for other applications, they buy them for games. To give you an idea of the problem with PCs (and understand, I'm perfectly ok with tossing all the consoles into the Crack of Doom and just having non-gimped PC hardware, in fact that sounds like a perfect world) I'll just talk about my joystick experience.

I have a lot of extra Wii classic controllers. I keep getting them as gifts, I've got like half a dozen of them. Seriously.

So, the crummy, used, knock-off XBox 360 controller clone I was using with my console-style PC games went to controller Hell, so I thought, "I'll buy an adaptor for my extra Wii controllers, and use them." and I did buy the adaptor.... and what did my console style Pc games say?

"Nah-ah! We only work with Monopoly brand controllers! Take your non-Microsoft controllers elsewhere, peasant!"

Now, I hunted around and found some hackware that said, "Use our clunky hack-ware into tricking your Pc into thinking that your non Xbox 360 controller is an xbox 360 controller."

Now, obviously, it's stupid to complain about this, because if I had an Xbox console, I wouldn't be given the option to use a Wii controller on it.

But I wasn't using a console, I was using a PC. It wasn't just adapted Wii controllers either, I checked, it was anything that you couldn't also plug into an Xbox and expect to work.

Re:Video game consoles, for counterexample (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681161)

Because they think its like the old days and don't know how cheap and easy it is now to get an HTPC? You'd be surprised how many people when i show them that dirt cheap Athlon Triple or Quad and how easy it is to hook up think "Won't that be expensive? and won't I have to buy constant upgrades?" which back in the day was true, but since they switched from MHz wars to core wars is no longer the case. I can build them a damned nice gaming PC for less than $500 and make a decent profit and it'll game for years, its just most folks don't know that.

But I think Valve is gonna change all that, from what I've read they are gonna do a "plays for sure" with the Steambox where if a system meets the minimum specs it can load SteamOS and run as a console or even dual boot so lots of system builders like me will be selling Steamboxes and once folks see that its easy and cheap? they'll be happy to buy.

Re:you're assuming... (1)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | about a year ago | (#43680815)

As I recall, B&N just opened the Nook to the whole Android store, so that issue appears over.

Re:you're assuming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680919)

The real issue is that they took apple's "one home button" design route, so the vast majority of the android apps that expect you to have a back button are unusable.

Re:you're assuming... (1)

Cinder6 (894572) | about a year ago | (#43681961)

In my experience, the Nook has a similar selection to Amazon, except perhaps for indie authors. I think the problem here is mindshare. Amazon was first, everyone and their mom shops at Amazon, and they've had the Kindle plastered on the front page for years.

No more Barnes and Noble? (2)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#43680583)

With no Nook, how will Barnes and Noble survive? They're the last major US bookstore chain, and they've already closed many of their stores.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680823)

Largely by being the last major US bookstore. It's a shrinking market, but lots of people still do want actual physical books, and the environment that B&N has to sell them in.

Their only real competition there is small, locally owned type stores, which are unlikely to dominate the market anytime soon.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681103)

Please notice very few small locally owned booksellers have gone out of business recently. Books are apparently a business where small companies do quite well.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (1)

erice (13380) | about a year ago | (#43681475)

Please notice very few small locally owned booksellers have gone out of business recently. Books are apparently a business where small companies do quite well.

When is recently? Keep in mind that when a locally owned bookstore closes, it doesn't usually make the national news. Palo Alto has lost two. Stanford Books Store doesn't operate Downtown any more either so maybe that is three. Adjacent Menlo Park has only managed to save Kepler's through extraordinary measures. Now, I don't think any of these events occurred within the last two years but there weren't that many book stores to start with.

In many areas the chains were all they had.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43682039)

The Stanford bookstore is not what I would call 'locally owned'. It is 'owned' by Stanford and operated by the Follett corporation, which operates 900+ other university bookstores.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681393)

Don't forget B&N got to number one by buying Borders Books.

Re:No more Barnes and Noble? (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a year ago | (#43681593)

It may be regional. I've seen far more B&N stores than Borders stores. Borders felt like a flash in the pan, came from out of nowhere and became a fad, then vanished quickly.

Welcome to Hawaii, brought to you by Microsoft! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680723)

I don't understand.. if Google farts a particular corporation rains down hard and wants investigations... but IMO Microsoft could probably buy US States right now without so much as a blink from the DOJ, FTC, or others.

IMO Gates[1] seems to be positioning himself for a power play in the US Government, recently speaking with the blue dress, I mean Clinton.

[1] Yes, I know, he's not directly working at/for MS this particular point wasn't about MS. But if you must look in that direction, doesn't he still hold some title @ MS?

IMO, I see Gates as the person, if not eventually at the top of US and/or US/UN, as someone to bring in the Mark of The Beast technology. I've read article after article with people saying, "Oh he's so nice, totally changes the anti-christ view some crazy religious people have been referring to" - and yet the anti-christ will not appear malicious at first! I know you non believers love to brow beat believers with so much scripture you have under your belt! IMO I'm not saying HE or any other individual is or will be the anti-christ but remember there are anti-christ(S).

Idiocracy and media like it will make it so much smoother than butter to bring in the chip. And after your Google Glass and much more advanced technology, it will appear strange if you're not using it (peer pressure!), but will you be like Wesley Crusher who cries out against it (ST:TNG - Episode "The Game") and tries to bring humanity back to reality?

Re:Welcome to Hawaii, brought to you by Microsoft! (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43681191)

Dear Lord save us from those that don't know their history! The whole book of revelations wasn't accepted as canon for quite awhile because it was written by a guy having fever dreams who basically sat down in a cave when he was burning up with fever and wrote down what he saw. Now if I wrote down what i saw tripping on Peyote, would you think me a prophet?

Even if you take the rest of the book as gospel and not simply as a book of parables on how to live a better life i don't see how anybody in their right mind could take the ramblings of a guy burning up with fever as a "vision from God" because if that is true? well I bet half the guys here have had a vision from god at least one time in the past.

Interesting (1)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year ago | (#43680747)

First Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble, and B&N went to court to fight. Then they reached a settlement in which Microsoft agreed to make a large investment in their digital media business. Now Microsoft seems to be about to buy Nook. Next, Windows 8 Mini-tablets? Even with patents, purchasing, and the long march towrds their OS on all tablets, will this work? How many billions will this cost?

What are they buying then ? (1)

bobjr94 (1120555) | about a year ago | (#43680849)

It says they will discontinue selling tablets, so what does MS get from the deal ? The Nook brand name with no products ? Does not seem buying it to run a marketplace for a dead end tablet would make sense either.

Re:What are they buying then ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681455)

They get the ebook content and publisher contracts. The dedicated ereader market is dying off anyway.

Maybe B&N will come with some nice e-reader (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about a year ago | (#43680927)

Yeah, I know the Nook was ok... Maybe the time has come for B&N to create an actualy good e-reader, like nothing already in the market.

Or maybe they could stop locking themselves behind plataforms, and create something for all tablet-like devices out there. With unobstrusive or no DRM.

Re:Maybe B&N will come with some nice e-reader (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681443)

I think an double blind study would show the Nook was better then Kindle. But yes, the Kindle has a better brand name by far.

Goodbye, Barnes & Noble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43680977)

After destroying the rotten mall bookstores that came before it (waldenbooks, I'm talking about you), B&N is now facing an internal collapse. This kinda sucks, because I look wandering through shelves, discovering books. With the GOP destroying our government (and publicly-funded libraries), human knowledge is faced with the potential of diminishing. This sucks.

And... They'll ruin it (1)

confused one (671304) | about a year ago | (#43681139)

I like my Nook. I only use it for reading so it's limitations compared to a tablet never bothered me. Microsoft will likely rip out its basic Android underpinnings and replace them with Windows. The result will be a seemingly underpowered "general purpose" device that tries to do everything (but often not well). More importantly, the battery life will be cut substantially due to Windows lower efficiency. They'll effectively ruin the Nook as an e-reader.

Re:And... They'll ruin it (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43681451)

HA HA!

It's like... when you have a good idea and it's snatched out of the air by Microsoft Alien Crafts hovering above monitoring every citizen's EEGs and buying their way through the hedge maze.

Another business for Microsoft ... (0)

sfarber53 (239131) | about a year ago | (#43681233)

to plow under with their idiotic designs and closed-source business model.

I never liked the Nook much anyway. If Microsoft gives Nook the kiss of death we might gain a little clarity in the book reader marketplace.

BN doesn't really make money on the tablet anyway (1)

jdkc4d (659944) | about a year ago | (#43681757)

I think that this makes sense, at least from BN's standpoint. They keep having to drop the cost of the nook to compete, and it turns out they really don't make any money on the device anyway. The whole point of it is so they can sell their books. That's where they make money. Since you can download the nook software on just about any device, why actually have one? As for Msft buying them out. That's a win for BN, and a loss for Msft. Other than the name, I don't see any real reason my Msft would want to purchase it.

Pretty Much Confirmed Already by msft marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43682131)

If you go to the Bellevue MS office and take the elevator to the reception floor to "check in" on the wall of the elevator is a sign offering a nook as a prize for a contest thing. I saw it earlier this week while visiting a friend who works there for lunch, before we got our vistors badges.

Its publicly posted, in plain view of the public, for anybody who is part of the media or has not signed a NDA to see as they go visit the reception desk to "check in" or visit microsoft. Everybody can see it (until its taken down tomorrow after ms shrills read this post) so its considered a public disclosure.

Given that internal MS culture would never allow this use of a competeting product otherwise, in my personal opinion it pretty much confirms that its already a done deal.

That is however only my personal opinion, I do not represent msft, using multiple tor nodes and saying this all so I cant be sued, etc.

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