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California Lawmaker Wants 3-D Printers To Be Regulated

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the i-demand-background-checks-for-sketchpads-and-protractors dept.

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New submitter phrackthat writes with news that California State Senator Leland Yee (D-S.F.) says he wants regulations to track who owns and uses 3-D printers. Yee's comments come in response to the recent news of Defense Distributed's successful test-firing of a 3-D printed gun. "He's concerned that just about anyone with access to those cutting-edge printers can arm themselves. 'Terrorists can make these guns and do some horrible things to an individual and then walk away scott-free, and that is something that is really dangerous,' said Yee. He said while this new technology is impressive, it must be regulated when it comes to making guns. He says background checks, requiring serial numbers and even registering them could be part of new legislation that he says will protect the public. Yee added, 'This particular gun has no trace whatsoever.'"

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Gun control however... (5, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | about a year ago | (#43698065)

I'll bet you get a free gun when you buy one of those 3-D printers in some states.

Re:Gun control however... (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43698451)

Lets just clear something up right now, gun bans have NEVER worked and will NEVER work because of one simple flaw in the logic. you see criminals? DON'T FOLLOW LAWS which is why they are called criminals, fucking duh!

Take Mexico, a country with a 100% ban on guns, you can't even one a 22 in that country...are the criminals throwing rocks at each other? Nope they do like all the other criminals with connections and buy from the former USSR where you can buy a crate of RPGs for the cost of a used BMW and where you can get a case of AK47s thrown in with every purchase over $50k.

This is as fucking retarded as trying to regulate or ban copper pipes because somebody might make a zip gun. I mean have you SEEN this "gun"? You are gonna be lucky if it fires even a single clip before being just trashed, in fact I've seen zip guns that make better weapons than this thing, and it took a $50,000 3D printer to make a gun that had less quality than what you can make in any machine shop for less than $200!

I'm sorry but this entire thing is just fucking retarded, every major city like Chicago where they have made it practically impossible for a law abiding citizen to own a gun has become a criminal paradise and why not? Don't have to worry about prey fighting back when even the cops in these areas tell you "don't resist, just beg real nice after they are done raping and looting and maybe they won't kill you". Its fucking disgusting is what it is, we should be teaching people how to defend themselves from these fucking scum and instead we are creating a nation of prey, that is ALL they are, they are prey and the wolves will feed and feed well.

Terrorists? (5, Insightful)

kk49 (829669) | about a year ago | (#43698083)

I don't think doing something horrible to an individual qualifies as terrorism. In my day we call those people criminals.

Re:Terrorists? (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43698101)

If you don't think that criminals are terrorists, then you must be a communist. Or at least a socialist.

How does it feel, comrade?

Re:Terrorists? (1)

kk49 (829669) | about a year ago | (#43698159)

I'm pretty sure clowns do qualify as terrorists.

Re:Terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698407)

Only the scary ones.

Re:Terrorists? (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#43698171)

Actually, people like him aren't communists or fascists, they're terrorists themselves. Anyone questioning the doctrine of the Supreme Corporate Soviet should be labeled as such so they are denied the 'privilege' of due process.

Re:Terrorists? (3, Funny)

nsaspook (20301) | about a year ago | (#43698195)

If you don't think that criminals are terrorists, then you must be a communist. Or at least a socialist.

Or be for the fluoridation of water and foreign substances being introduced into our precious bodily fluids.

Re:Terrorists? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year ago | (#43698423)

If you don't think that criminals are terrorists, then you must be a communist. Or at least a socialist.

Or be for the fluoridation of water and foreign substances being introduced into our precious bodily fluids.

Dammit, my tinfoil hat got ripped. Let me point this home-printed gun at you so I can take yours. Gotta keep the Martushians outta my head, ya know. The thorazine just ain't working anymore...

Re:Terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698457)

If you don't think that criminals are terrorists, then you must be a communist. Or at least a socialist.

How does it feel, comrade?

Except that the person claiming all criminals are terrorists is a Democrat.

Re:Terrorists? (1, Redundant)

MaskedSlacker (911878) | about a year ago | (#43698109)

California state lawmakers are a special brand of stupid. I'd say that they were Congress's autistic cousins, but people with autism aren't actually stupid.

Re:Terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698249)

In my day we called those people psychos. And we didn't need laws restricting peoples rights to own, purchase, or produce. Our society has become oversensitive to harm/death. There are *real* problems and harms and terrorism isn't one of them that need fixing. Prioritizing financing cancer research, HIV / AIDS research, safer vehicle technology, and other things would save a significantly larger number of lives than shutting down Boston for a few days to prevent *one* person from *possibly* harming or killing a few hundred more people-- or even dare I say thousand people. While the people are not insignificant the numbers killed are insignificant compared to our reaction and we do more damage than the terrorist ever could had we simply ignored them.

Re:Terrorists? (0)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year ago | (#43698441)

Cancer cures won't be marketted til cancer treatments stop being a cash cow. After all, they only work so well, then you get a relapse after remission so you get to buy the treatments again.

And they wonder why medical bankruptcies account for something like 75% of all personal bankruptcies in the US. That statistic alone tells me something is very very wrong with the system...

Re:Terrorists? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698399)

Correct, it's what the government is doing today that is terrorism and treason.

Children and terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698087)

I was wondering which argument they'd be going with.

California Lawmaker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698095)

Wants burgeoning industry to be shut out of his state.

Sometimes all that corporate lobbying isn't totally evil, hope this gets shut down quickly.

Re:California Lawmaker... (5, Informative)

The0retical (307064) | about a year ago | (#43698411)

This is the same person that wants:

Senate Bill 47 (Yee) expands the definition of “assault weapons” to BAN the future sale of rifles that have been designed/sold and are equipped to use the “bullet button” or similar device, requires NEW “assault weapon” registration of ALL those semi-auto rifles that are currently possessed to retain legal possession in the future, and subjects these firearms to all other “assault weapons” restrictions.

http://legiscan.com/CA/bill/SB47/2013 [legiscan.com]

Senate Bill 108 (Yee) requires mandatory locked storage of firearms within a locked house regardless of whether anyone is present.

http://legiscan.com/CA/bill/SB108/2013 [legiscan.com]

My impression of him is that he is a reactionary that responds to any situation in the most forceful way possible to please the pundits who are calling for action that the constituency doesn't actually want. He doesn't actually understand what he's legislating against in many situations, like as mentioned below the ban on video games for minors but because the pundits call for it something needs to be done.

The 3d printer is no different. Damn all the useful things that can be done with it he doesn't understand it and it can do one bad thing so ban it.

the problem being.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698099)

You can't tell whose printer printed it, inb4 3d water marking

Horrible things? (4, Insightful)

erotic_pie (796522) | about a year ago | (#43698103)

Wouldn't most "horrible things" that you would do with a gun be illegal? Meaning you wouldn't be able to walk away scott-free.

Unless there is some crazy loophole that says if you kill someone with an unregistered homemade gun it's 100% legal. Which if that's the case I don't think it's the 3D printer that is the problem.

Also, I guess this means it's time to start regulating CNC machines as well.

Re:Horrible things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698181)

Exactly. Good luck Mr. lawmaker on putting the genie back into the bottle.
In the meantime, we will continue dreaming of the day when parasites like walmart and the NRA are reduced to a state of impotence.

Re:Horrible things? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698215)

Also, I guess this means it's time to start regulating CNC machines as well.

Don't give them any ideas.

Re:Horrible things? (1)

Delarth799 (1839672) | about a year ago | (#43698307)

A homemade gun might be harder to trace is about the only thing that could make finding the killer more difficult

Lets license all possibly harmful things (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#43698111)

Lets start with procreation. Having kids can be harmful. You may not be prepared and have m the child. Worse yet,said child my grow up an addict or rapist or terrorist or murderer. Having kids can harm the economy. Having kids can harm the environment. So lets mandate reversible birth control and license procreation.

Re:Lets license all possibly harmful things (3, Funny)

asm2750 (1124425) | about a year ago | (#43698427)

I think having morons as elected officials is more harmful than having kids.

Re:Lets license all possibly harmful things (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698447)

I think the next thing we should license is air. Look at all the harm oxidation does to people's bodies! And it rusts stuff too! Its a terrorist!

Thanks, Cody! (1, Insightful)

Guano_Jim (157555) | about a year ago | (#43698117)

I'd like to thank middle-class crypto-anarchist Cody Wilson from Defense Distributed for ensuring that idiot politicians of every stripe try to clamp down on the most promising new manufacturing technology in a decade.

Nice job! Love the plastic zip gun you made, kid.

Re:Thanks, Cody! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698209)

The blame lies with the politicians. And nobody else.

Re:Thanks, Cody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698251)

Nice job blaming the victim. I bet you think Sasha Baron Cohan would deserve a shot to the nuts for wearing a pillow case to a meeting of black panthers.

Re:Thanks, Cody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698345)

Explain how I'm "blaming the victim". You can't and won't.

What about plumbers? (2)

meerling (1487879) | about a year ago | (#43698119)

Before 3d printers, people that wanted a cheap and lousy gun without buying a real one would just assemble one from some metal pipes and other junk, the old Saturday Night Special, Zip Gun, or Junk Gun.
As to passing through metal detectors, who really cares, after all anyone that can't afford a real gun from illegal sources isn't going to be going into the areas 'protected' by metal detectors.

Dear State Senator Yee, (1, Flamebait)

MitchDev (2526834) | about a year ago | (#43698121)

FUCK YOU!

Re:Dear State Senator Yee, (2)

Aonghus142000 (908581) | about a year ago | (#43698303)

Don't do that, whatever he has might be contagious. I wouldn't even trust a full-body condom.

No terrorist needs a 3D printer (4, Insightful)

kawabago (551139) | about a year ago | (#43698123)

Guns and explosives are easy to get thanks to America's right to bear arms. The representative would have 3d printer regulation before gun regulation? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Since 3d printers can be made by hobbyists at home, effective regulation is impossible. Not to mention that firing a 3d printed gun as a proof of concept and having an effective weapon are two very different things. A car is a far more dangerous weapon than a 3D printer. Are you afraid to drive?

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (2)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43698203)

A car is a far more dangerous weapon than a 3D printer.

Bad example, because it actually is tracked who owns and uses a car. Or what did you think those license plates are for?

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (1)

twistofsin (718250) | about a year ago | (#43698253)

There are no penalties for having an unlicensed vehicle on private property, though.

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698265)

Does that mean arc welders, english wheels, and band saws are illegal?

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698357)

You don't need a license or registration to own an auto mobile. You only need that to drive it on public roads.

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698409)

Bad example, because it actually is tracked who owns and uses a car. Or what did you think those license plates are for?

And no one ever steals a car to do anything bad I guess. No criminal has ever thought of that.

Re:No terrorist needs a 3D printer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698289)

Let's not forget that I can make a far better gun, at home, out of metal, than these toys made a on a 3d printer.

I hate being ruled by the FUD of soccer moms (0, Troll)

epyT-R (613989) | about a year ago | (#43698131)

and their democrat/neocon elected idiots in washington. Yee's 'argument' could apply to just about anything, including things like computer hardware, software, tools/manufacturing equipment, and anything else that empowers the individual in some way. Why not put those behind a regulated paywall too?

Of course, a hyper regulated country with an ever shrinking 'freedom sandbox' is the leftist definition of liberty, and I'll bet the business interests behind the neocon right wouldn't mind it either. Anything to keep the peon employee-slaves in line, right?

Regulation of tools? (5, Insightful)

Antony T Curtis (89990) | about a year ago | (#43698133)

Why not regulate lathes? They can be used to make a barrel of a high powered rifle.
Why not regulate mills? They can be used to make land mines.
Why not regulate sheet metal? They can be used to make the skin of missiles.
Why not regulate screwdrivers? They can be used to make bombs.

Why not just regulate and put a serial number in each and every bullet manufactured? I doubt that anyone would be able to 3D-print a bullet and its charge for many years to come.

Re:Regulation of tools? (4, Informative)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year ago | (#43698235)

I doubt that anyone would be able to 3D-print a bullet and its charge for many years to come.

It should be noted that bullet molds can be acquired quite easily - many reloaders make their own bullets.

The powder charge isn't quite as easy to make, but it's not like you can't find recipes, since "modern" smokeless powder has been in use since the 1880's.

Re:Regulation of tools? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698373)

Regulate primers. Every firearm primer should include microdots. Electronic ignition in firearms deserves a matchlock renaissance.

Re:Regulation of tools? (3, Informative)

Mister Transistor (259842) | about a year ago | (#43698261)

Umm you do realize that soldiers were casting their own lead bullets since BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, right?

I'd say they're pretty easy to "3d-print".

Re:Regulation of tools? (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year ago | (#43698301)

Umm you do realize that soldiers were casting their own lead bullets since BEFORE THE CIVIL WAR, right?

Since before Columbus sailed, you mean?

For what it's worth, slingers were casting their own slingbullets since, well, they discovered lead would melt...

Re:Regulation of tools? (1)

Mspangler (770054) | about a year ago | (#43698361)

" I doubt that anyone would be able to 3D-print a bullet and its charge for many years to come."

Way, way too late. Just one source is here;

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/ [lymanproducts.com]

The recipe for black powder is on wikipedia, and smokeless powder is only one step beyond Mythbusters level kitchen chemistry.

The government can't reliably stop people from making their own methamphetamine; this chemistry is much simpler. Making it in ton lots consistently time after time is the hard part, not the making it in the first place. It's similar to beer or wine. A batch of home brew is no big deal. Making it by thousand barrel lots and getting it to come out the same every time is the hard part.

 

Re:Regulation of tools? (2)

dgatwood (11270) | about a year ago | (#43698397)

Doing it repeatedly without blowing the doors off your house is the hard part.

Why not go further? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698139)

Make anyone who owns/buys a lathe, mill, drill press or other metalworking machinery undergo a background check, make them register it, report to the government whenever they use it. After all, terrorists could use it to make a gun and get away scott free. Oh, did you buy a piece of steel barstock? Background check for you, just in case you think of turning it into a rifle barrel. We really just can't go far enough when it comes to regulating things that terrorists might use to cause harm.

Re:Why not go further? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698443)

Not to mention that you can make tools with other tools. Once you have a 3D printer that can print 3D printers, all bets are off.

Unless they plan on monitoring who downloads what plans and build every printer so it "calls home" and reports what you printed? Who gave government THAT power?

No one tell him... (1)

pla (258480) | about a year ago | (#43698141)

Uh, oh - No one tell him about "zip" guns!

More seriously, though - You can get an untraceable "real" gun a hell of a lot cheaper and easier - even in California - than by buying a $1000 machine, finding the plans online, trying to get it to print all the parts un-warped enough to actually fit together, and then will only fire a single shot, perhaps half a dozen times before it deforms too much to use again.

/ You can have my Bic ball-point pen over my cold dead hands, you 2nd (and 1st!) amendment hating scum!

Re:No one tell him... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698229)

Yeah its funny when you think about you could go buy a drill and some metal pipe and make something that would be more useful than what you can print with a 3D printer.

Comprehensive reform (1, Insightful)

MacDork (560499) | about a year ago | (#43698143)

While I agree with the Senator, I believe we must act with comprehensive reform. Laser printers are being used to print counterfeit money. Those too should be regulated and tracked just as strictly as 3d printers. All printer owners should be tracked, registered, and of course, pay a government tax to cover all this tracking.

Goddamn, I'm good at this political bullshit. [nationaljournal.com] Block something I don't want under the guise of "comprehensive reform." Being a greasy politician is easy.

Re:Comprehensive reform (2)

Alex Pennace (27488) | about a year ago | (#43698239)

While I agree with the Senator, I believe we must act with comprehensive reform. Laser printers are being used to print counterfeit money. Those too should be regulated and tracked just as strictly as 3d printers. All printer owners should be tracked, registered, and of course, pay a government tax to cover all this tracking.

We are already halfway there: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Printer_steganography&oldid=554087510 [wikipedia.org]

Yee must have the Maker Bot Steel Edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698147)

Dear Senator Yee,

Metal working tools (also unregulated) have allowed a skilled backyard machinist to build weapons for probably the last 150 years. A DIY 3D printer isn't going to be cranking out steel gun barrels any time soon. I'm going to cut myself off before I rant about how morons without technical backgrounds are determining what is and what isn't legal for you and I to own. [whoops guess it leaked out anyway].

No I didn't RTFA so flame away....

Re:Yee must have the Maker Bot Steel Edition (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year ago | (#43698273)

Metal working tools (also unregulated) have allowed a skilled backyard machinist to build weapons for probably the last 150 years.

That's the difference: skilled backyard machinist .
With those printers every idiot with two left hands can download the plans and print his gun. Probably even kids. So there is a new quality to what was possible for the last 150 years.

Re:Yee must have the Maker Bot Steel Edition (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698429)

actually it doesn't really even take someone that skilled, they teach that shit in shop class at school. How to use lathes, drill presses and do metal working. That's basic stuff that's not too hard. You don't need to be a metal working artist or genius to drill out some pipe properly and make a nail+hammer for a firing pin.

Re:Yee must have the Maker Bot Steel Edition (0)

zedtwitz (2450246) | about a year ago | (#43698445)

Hey dipshit, You need a ~$50,000 3D printer to make anything of an accuracy that will actually fire. Otherwise, it'll blow up in their face. You really think making a 3D printer is that easy?! Cunt. It's easier to use a steel tube and a stapler. People like you are the ones keeping us on this fucking mudball.

....dipshit. (0)

zedtwitz (2450246) | about a year ago | (#43698469)

Because every idiot with two left hands has a 3D printer. Including kids? WOW! I'll just head over to my local preschool and have them print me a gun. Cunt.

Cody Wilson & a 3d Printer walk in to gun shop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698153)

In compliance with ITAR, the punchline to this joke has been removed at the request of the office of the U.S. Secretary of State.

Great fear mongering!!! (1, Insightful)

dewright_ca (89241) | about a year ago | (#43698157)

This is the kind of stupidity I see coming from Democrats across the country and its just sickening. Just as the DOD and DOJ are pushing to block the ability to share the plans for these printed guns they seem to forget the fact that these printers are available world-wide; and the US does not have a monopoly on people with engineering experience let alone knowledge in creating firearms.

So by trying to ban this, all they are doing is drawing more attention to it. As if countries like Iran, North Korea or Syria don't have people who know how to acquire a lathe and make a gun of better quality themselves. So this is made out of plastic and not detectable by a radar/magnetometer, you know what; the bullet/shell will be.

The ability to create a plastic/resin based shell casing that can properly detonate and propel a shell as required isn't possible.

Re:Great fear mongering!!! (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year ago | (#43698227)

The ability to create a plastic/resin based shell casing that can properly detonate and propel a shell as required isn't possible.

Not? I wouldn't be too sure of that. Perhaps a shell made of stone? Not much precision necessary for the very short distances in a plane.

Re:Great fear mongering!!! (1)

dewright_ca (89241) | about a year ago | (#43698319)

Interesting point, I don't think a plastic shell in a plastic gun would fire well without bad back-blast, but a stone shell? Hmmm while structurally you might be correct I wonder about the feasibility of a usable product.

I won't discount it, but wonder about the true potential...

Re:Great fear mongering!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698329)

The "shell" is exactly what it sounds like -- a shell! The round would have to be made of stone.

But either way, you would pretty much be better off with an Airsoft gun if you actually wanted to hurt someone on a plane. LOL

Re:Great fear mongering!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698333)

You don't need a shell casing to send a bullet down range. The earliest guns didn't have such a thing. There are modern weapons that have a castable powder that is entirely consumed during firing.

Re:Great fear mongering!!! (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year ago | (#43698389)

The ability to create a plastic/resin based shell casing that can properly detonate and propel a shell as required isn't possible.

Oh, really? http://www.pcpammo.com/ [pcpammo.com]

Plastic shell casings have been made for at least 50 years, even if you discount shotgun shells, which are mostly plastic (except when they're mostly paper).

Next on the list: fire (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698167)

Of course a CA idiot wants to regulate something else. Next, the use of fire to shape metal, or perhaps they'll restrict the ability to shape stones into pointy objects. Morons.

Easy solution... (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year ago | (#43698191)

...the printer only starts if you put a drop of your blood into a receptacle. With the DNA in it the plastic material is 'signed'. Ok, I am not serious, but who knows...

This is why space is empty (2)

CRCulver (715279) | about a year ago | (#43698193)

I've recently been musing on the idea that the reason for the Fermi Paradox and a huge point against Kurweilz's optimism that we'll reach the Singularity in a just couple of decades, is that a civilization's regulatory agencies are so slow to react to technological advances. If lawmakers don't allow 3D printers to flourish, then there won't be the consumer demand that motivates the next generation of printer, and the one after that, etc. Eventually the environment will be too fucked and the natural resources exhausted before humanity can develop the technology to transcend its limitations.

Re:This is why space is empty (1)

zedtwitz (2450246) | about a year ago | (#43698419)

Beautiful yet hideous. It's true; the human race is too fucking retarded to ever leave this orbit.

California and New York are in a battle... (2, Insightful)

VinylRecords (1292374) | about a year ago | (#43698201)

California and New York are engaged in an all out conflict to see which state can erode its citizens' rights the quickest. They'll try anything to regulate what you can and cannot do as an individual. They want to police your every movement, thought, and activity.

Want to smoke cigarettes? Then get ready to pay the government $5 in taxes per pack just for the privilege. They'll throw out regressive and punitive taxes on smoking to create their own vision for America. You can't even open a private club or restaurant that allows smoking without going through extreme legal battles for the permit.

Want a 20oz soda? Well that's against the law. At least that's how they wanted it in NYC. And no more delivery of 2 liter bottles of soda with pizza takeout. That's another law that they want to pass. Banning pizza companies from delivering a 2 liter soda with your order.

Want to practice the 2nd Amendment? You need fingerprints, background checks, additional invasive background checks, registration to a permanent database, tons of money, and expensive lawyers. And if you get a gun or a concealed carry permit they'll illegally give your information over to the newspapers and blogs to reveal your personal information to everyone. Try getting a concealed carry permit for a pistol in certain cities in CA or NY. You need at least $5,000 for the fees and lawyers. It's prohibitive and costs people right out of their constitutional rights. You need to be wealthy to protect yourself.

3D printers? Why not try to regulate them? Everything else needs to be regulated anyways in our new utopian liberal fantasy. After all we need to protect the children from terrorism and school shootings and violent video games.

Re:California and New York are in a battle... (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about a year ago | (#43698279)

California and New York are engaged in an all out conflict to see which state can erode its citizens' rights the quickest.

That's an excellent way to describe the situation. And, I admit, it's things like this that make me wonder why I still live in The People's Republic of California.

Re:California and New York are in a battle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698449)

Better jobs, better weather, better women.

Regulation? (1)

Murdoch5 (1563847) | about a year ago | (#43698217)

Okay so you can print a gun, but when you think about it, you can turn most every day objects into weapons. So should we regulate everything then?

Re:Regulation? (2)

Mspangler (770054) | about a year ago | (#43698391)

"but when you think about it, you can turn most every day objects into weapons."

You've been watching Jackie Chan movies, haven't you?

I was amazed what he can do with a common stepladder.

Re:Regulation? (1)

dbc (135354) | about a year ago | (#43698405)

Well, according to FBI statistics, more people are killed every year by blunt trauma (a hammer to the head) than by rifles of any kind. So, yes, you should have to be fingerprinted, wait 10 days, and pass a DOJ background check to buy a hammer at Home Depot. Actually, more people are killed by being beaten to death with fists and feet than by rifles of any kind, so you are guilty by the theory of "constructive possession" of having deadly weapons on or about your person at all times. I hope you have a concealed-weapons license, otherwise it may be a felony to wear shoes. Sandals are technically legal, but expect them to be probably cause for a stop-and-frisk.

Expensive and not efficient at all (1)

morcego (260031) | about a year ago | (#43698219)

I wonder if anyone is going to tell him there are cheaper and more efficient ways (for larger numbers) to make homemade guns.

His heart is in the right place, it is just his brain that has a problem...

Mmm... (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#43698221)

Hysterical people sure do make great leaders! Maybe we should elect more of them in the future! Yeah! That seems like a GREAT idea!

Of course, if we're going to go after causes of death, maybe we should work on low-hanging fruit. [wikipedia.org] Oh wait, that's a rational argument and I forgot we were being all hysterical here for a second. Plus, if we put the same amount of resources into reducing heart disease that you were planning to use to regulate 3D printers, we'd have to buy into Obamacare and its associated death panels! Ahh... there we go... that's the stuff...

Here we go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698223)

Took them long enough.

Next we will get regulation on knowledge..

Protecting corporate interest (2)

metalmonkey (1083851) | about a year ago | (#43698237)

Corporate need a way to limit peoples ability to cheaply manufacture their own products and replacement parts vs buying new plastic crap with high profit margins.
This excuse will work fine thanks.

Regulate hardware stores next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698283)

News flash: You can build far better weapons with parts from the local hardware store. Nothing else you can just buy an axe and kill people with that..that worked thousands of years ago, and still works today.

Regulate tools.
Regulate raw materials.
Regulate cars and trucks.
Regulate brick ownership.
Regulate our brains..

It never stops.. i want off this train.

CA Lawmaker Wants Encryption To Be Regulated (1)

Cyphase (907627) | about a year ago | (#43698309)

California State Senator Leland Yee (D-S.F.) says he wants regulations to track who possesses and uses encryption technology. Yee's comments come in response to the recent news of a successful trial of a super-secure encryption algorithm.

"He's concerned that just about anyone with access to those cutting-edge encryption algorithms can protect their information. 'Terrorists can use these encryption technologies to protect their communications while they plan to do some horrible things to an individual and then walk away scott-free, and that is something that is really dangerous,' said Yee. He said while this new technology is impressive, it must be regulated when it comes to protecting information. He says background checks, requiring serial numbers and even licensing possession could be part of new legislation that he says will protect the public. Yee added, 'This particular encryption algorithm has no backdoor whatsoever.'"

Re:CA Lawmaker Wants Encryption To Be Regulated (1)

Takatata (2864109) | about a year ago | (#43698355)

Replace 'Terrorists' with 'Child Porn'. Works better with encryption related fear mongering.

Regulate gunpowder (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698315)

Guns are useless without gun powder. Since you can make gun powder in a 3D printer, I think regulating gun powder might be more effective.

Re:Regulate gunpowder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698417)

You're a moron. Replace 'gun powder' with 'bullets' and your statement wouldn't sound so stupid, just a little more like Chris Rock instead.

We must have new laws! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698325)

If only there were existing laws which forbid people from doing "horrible things to an individual" so that they couldn't "then walk away scott-free."

If only....

3D Lego Printers (5, Funny)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year ago | (#43698337)

Wait until he sees one of the 3D Lego Printers, then he'll want to regulate Legos too. 8 year old kids will have to pass a security check to purchase a set of Legos.

Re:3D Lego Printers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698377)

they can have my legos when they pry them from my cold dead hands

Zip gun, look it up. (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | about a year ago | (#43698343)

I can assemble a firearm from parts available in a local hardware store. Maybe we should outlaw hardware stores. The fun part is I can assemble a number of even more dangerous devices from the same hardware store, so the hardware store is actually much more dangerous than a 3D printer.

Oh crap (1)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year ago | (#43698359)

so what about my own home made 3D printer that I put together back in 2005-6 from parts I salvaged from other printers and fax machines and some steel pieces and electrical motors? Will I now have to register my own concoction with the Mr. police state there? :)

Man, these politicians are brazen.

Land of the free ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698369)

California is looking more and more like Soviet Union.

Excellent news! (1)

dbc (135354) | about a year ago | (#43698371)

California gun owners have been fighting that ass-hat Leland Yee for years. It is getting expensive and annoying. I'm glad now that all the hackers at Maker Faire are going to be joining us so that Yee doesn't take away our 3D printers, too.

Yee is the enemy of freedom. I hope this allows more people to see that. Yesterday, he came for our guns. Today, he is coming for our 3D printers. Tomorrow, what will it be? Your Dremel tool? Or.... maybe if he finds out that all you need to melt lead for casting bullets is a cast iron pot, some charcoal, and a good blower to get the charcoal hot enough he will ban cookware, charcoal, and shop vacuums.

Next to track and control (1)

kgroombr (608645) | about a year ago | (#43698375)

Lathes: as they can be used to make firearm parts, grinders: as they can be used to make firearm parts, metal: as it is most likely used to make firearm parts, and so on and so on. Lawmakers are morons and know nothing about about reality.

Next (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43698379)

Next up: Start regulating copy machines and computers that can copy files.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. (4, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43698381)

"Protection" is a disease. The government is not obliged to protect you. Congress has upheld that police are not required to protect you. Protecting yourself and your family is your responsibility. Life is dangerous. Be prepared. More folks die in car crashes, we don't ban cars or streets. Zip-Guns made of junk can kill you, hell, a plastic knife can kill you if sharpened properly, a broken window tied to a stick is a lethal weapon of opportunity. Limiting freedom should never be the answer to fear. The answer is to simply be aware of the danger you face in every day life, and protect yourself. Regulations like these are cancerous leaches of tax-payer money.

We really need to change the 2nd amendment, or create a new one clarifying that we have the right to bear technology, cryptography, photography, computers, and firearms included.

Hype!!!!! (1)

pbjones (315127) | about a year ago | (#43698403)

it is cheaper to buy a metal lathe and milling machine, that can make a better 'gun', than the mid/high level 3D printer required to build a safe plastic gun. It's all hype!!!

Re:Hype!!!!! (1)

dbc (135354) | about a year ago | (#43698455)

Well, a mill and a lathe aren't cheaper than a 3D printer. At least not the ones I own, and I own one of each. But the practicality of a 3D printed plastic gun is not the point. It is the proof of the concept. I agree there is very little practical about a 3D printed gun at this point. The Liberator is a political statement -- just like wearing the DVD decryption key on a tee-shirt.

Horrible things ... (1)

Skapare (16644) | about a year ago | (#43698459)

... should be illegal. They need to make a law against those horrible things so they don't let people walk away scott-free. We already have such a law against doing horrible things in my state. Why doesn't California have it already?

This isn't about guns or terrorism (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#43698465)

It's the 'new' mercantilism protecting commercial interests at play. Like the British prohibiting the people of India from making their own salt, or even clothing way back when it was a colony.

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