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Windows Blue Is Officially Windows 8.1, Free For Existing Users

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the getting-rid-of-the-blues dept.

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Several readers sent word that Microsoft has officially dubbed the upcoming revision to its flagship operating system "Windows 8.1," retiring the code-name "Windows Blue." They also said the update would be freely available to anybody with Windows 8. It will be available through the Windows Store. "Reller declined to provide an exact release date for Windows 8.1, but said that Microsoft is 'very sensitive to the timing of the holidays.' Ideally, Microsoft will be able to provide devices with Windows 8.1 pre-loaded in time for the holiday 2013 season, Reller said, but those who purchase a Windows 8 device later this year will be able to easily upgrade to 8.1."

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Wohoo! (2, Funny)

Steve Ka (2922929) | about a year ago | (#43722139)

I've waited for this. Party hard, party hard. Wohoo!

Re:Wohoo! (2)

no1nose (993082) | about a year ago | (#43722531)

I have been holding out replacing my desktop and laptop for this as well. Did they put the Windows 7 Style Start Orb back? Can it boot directly to the old-school screen and bypass the tiles?

Re:Wohoo! (2)

thunderclap (972782) | about a year ago | (#43722659)

NO. What gave you that Idea? The orb is an icon that simply links you back to metro. The rest is still windows 8. Oh there is an arcane way to get to the desktop without first entering metro but you will still have to deal with it alot

Meh. (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about a year ago | (#43722557)

We'll see. Windows 8 has already lost the WinTel empire at least one customer that I know of (my missus tried+hated Windows 8, and she opted for an iPad instead.)

Me, I'll wait to see what happens. I can't see Ballmer's ego marching things back to a full-on Windows 7 (and TBH, before)-style interface (in spite of enterprise pretty much demanding it), so I suspect that whatever comes of it will (at risk of trolling, but just IMHO) reek of a duct-tape job, with a start button lashed in somewhere but with Metro still all over the thing.

Re:Meh. (2)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43722987)

Nothing wrong with duct tape. Nothing at all. Keeps much of the known universe functioning.

A big step up, actually.

Service pack (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722209)

So, then it is the unofficial return of the service packs.

Re:Service pack (4, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a year ago | (#43722459)

Free.

Couldn't sell it.

Only for current users. That's not exactly restricting scope, is it? ;-)

Re:Service pack (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722665)

I guess RMS will finally be happy now when Windows is free software.

Re:Service pack (0)

thunderclap (972782) | about a year ago | (#43722669)

Yes, 8.1 is a service pack nothing more.

Re:Service pack (1)

rwven (663186) | about a year ago | (#43722775)

It's all about the marketing....

Re:Service pack (1)

0racle (667029) | about a year ago | (#43722799)

I don't think too many can complain if Windows 8.X releases are free service packs and you don't have to buy a new license until Windows 9.

OK, Win8.1 it is... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722215)

Where's my selectable Aero interface and Start button?

Re:OK, Win8.1 it is... (2)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#43722311)

Here's part of it: http://www.classicshell.net/ [classicshell.net]

Re:OK, Win8.1 it is... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43722767)

ClassicShell:

Start button for Windows 7 and Windows 8...

What am I missing here? My windows 7 machine has a start button. Is it the wrong one?

Re:OK, Win8.1 it is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722923)

If you look at the screenshots there you can see that they turn Windows 7 start menu into "classic" start menu, i.e. they bring back such things as cascading menus in "All Programs".

Boy, they just ask for it, don't they. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722219)

Windows Blue?

With the obvious "Windows Blue Screen" jokes, do they WANT to be the object of ridicule?

Re:Boy, they just ask for it, don't they. (1)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#43722279)

But now Windows has a nice big :( on their BSoD to make it pretty. Lord knows I saw enough of them when I tried Win 8 after the retail launch. I might go back once 8.1 comes out, it had a lot of nice features but I had some stability issues (although many of those were fixed within the first couple months of patches). The metro UI can be suppressed in less time than most people take to write a gripe about it on an Internet forum.

Re:Boy, they just ask for it, don't they. (1)

QRDeNameland (873957) | about a year ago | (#43722301)

Here lies Windows. It blew...chunks...I mean, serious chunks.

Re:Boy, they just ask for it, don't they. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722337)

Windows Blue?

More like Windows Blew.

Wow... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43722221)

I honestly wasn't expecting that. Toward the end of Vista's lifecycle, I think that they were offering 'buy this computer now, upgrade for free*(additional charges may apply) when 7 comes out' in order to avoid having a sales slump while people waited it out; but offering '8.1' as a free update, this soon after 8, is about as close to a concession speech as you could expect to see. (Especially in light of the rumored move to a 'release often cheaply or by subscription' model, which would have made a cheap, but nonzero, upgrade price a more natural option than it otherwise would have been)

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722299)

I think the public would raise holy hell if they charged for 8.1. It barely qualifies as a service pack. Most of the updates are at the API level and the public couldn't care less that there's a new API for some programmer to hook into.

The most significant change I can think of is the return of a Start button. But that is literally just a graphic in the bottom corner of the screen, it adds no functionality. Whether is the pretty icon is there for not, you still click the bottom level corner and go to the Start screen.

Re:Wow... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722377)

Showing something is better...

When I showed someone how to do it with win 8 they looked at me and said "how do I know I should do that?!"

They seemed to have forgot one of their early lessons with the 'start' button.

http://www.irintech.com/x1/co/3586/1347415399000

Re:Wow... (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43722891)

The lack of visual clues is appalling. My roommate has Win 8 and she asked me how she should change a setting. Well it was in the Control Panel but there is no apparent way to get to the Control Panel anymore. We had to look it up on the Internet. She had to find the one hot corner that showed her "Settings". There's no visual clue that's what she should do. It's also not a matter of getting used to change; there was no obvious clue that a specific corner shows you Settings.

Re:Wow... (3)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#43722307)

Think of it less as a new OS like going from Vista to 7 was (even though Vista, 7 and 8 are just incremental upgrades to the same OS) and more like going from XP to XP SP2. It fixes a lot of major issues and (hopefully) responds to user feedback.

Re:Wow... (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about a year ago | (#43722641)

W7 was more an incremental upgrade from Vista. More like a parallel-developed version of Vista that never got released initially. It's just too different.

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722309)

Call me when it has a start MENU...not a half a$*ed start BUTTON, which apparently does not include much of the functionality that's accessible at my fingertips in Windows 7.

Re:Wow... (5, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43722497)

I seriously can't know how people can be comfortable with the Win8 Start screen. Here's a picture of my Start menu [metropolia.fi] in Win7. Everything is nicely pinned right there (no moving mouse around the screen), the search functionality works the same and there is direct access to things like Control Panel. It does not steal the attention with a full screen jumbled mess of harshly colored icons.

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43723011)

A bloo bloo bloo everything new is bad

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722341)

They almost did the same with Visual Studio 2003 (.NET 1.1), which was available for a $29 upgrade from 2002 (.NET 1.0) which included a letter apologizing for the first version's shortcomings. Of course, this was a great way to get install keys and media for all Microsoft's server products for practically zero cost . . .

Re:Wow... (5, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about a year ago | (#43722467)

I'd still wait for Windows 8.11 for workgroups. Maybe they'll add a proper command line and support x forwarding natively.

Re:Wow... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43722617)

I'd still wait for Windows 8.11 for workgroups. Maybe they'll add a proper command line and support x forwarding natively.

Microsoft will add native x forwarding to windows shortly after the devil^W^W Balmer ice skates to work

Re:Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722793)

I am holding out for Windows 8SE

Re:Wow... (1)

Teresita (982888) | about a year ago | (#43722875)

I'd still wait for Windows 8.11 for workgroups. Maybe they'll add a proper command line and support x forwarding natively.

Windows for Warehouses.

Re:Wow... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | about a year ago | (#43722507)

I just see it as a Service Pack Upgrade to the system. It isn't like We are going from Windows 8 to Windows 9. Just Windows 8 to 8.1.

Besides the speed of the update is well within your normal hardware upgrade cycle (every 4-6 years) It isn't like you will be expecting to get a new laptop from to run 8.1, as well the changes are not enough for most people to Pay for the upgrade.

Overall I don't see it as Microsoft saying anything bad about windows 8, instead of we listen to your advice and made the new version a little better.

Re:Wow... (0)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#43722583)

They don't actually say it is a free update to Windows 8. They say that people who buy a pc with Windows 8 installed between now and when 8.1 is released will be able to upgrade for free. What is omitted is what if you already purchased a PC, say last year with WIndows 8?

Re:Wow... (1)

Your.Master (1088569) | about a year ago | (#43722747)

They literally say it is a free update in the very first sentence of the article, which is cited in the second sentence of the summary (which says the same thing).

The upcoming Windows Blue update, now officially known as Windows 8.1, will be delivered as a free update through the operating system's app store, Microsoft confirmed today.

Fuck the Walled Garden (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722243)

As long as it's a closed development ecosystem where you have to pay to play, and MS gets to profit from your work, all I have to say is FUCK MICROSOFT. I'm sticking with my MBP.

Re:Fuck the Walled Garden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722269)

"Score: 11, Funny"

Re:Fuck the Walled Garden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722335)

Am I really the only one who sees the irony here?

Re:Fuck the Walled Garden (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722637)

Am I really the only one who sees the irony here?

Yes. Most of us saw the humor.

Re:Fuck the Walled Garden (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722801)

No. It just takes quite a lot of time for actual human beings who care about rights and have a free will, to find out, what MBP is supposed to mean. ManBearPig? Mandatory Black Person? Major Basic Protein?

Then you notice it could be "My Big Penis", and then in becomes clear...

Re:Fuck the Walled Garden (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about a year ago | (#43723025)

MacBook Pro came up 2nd on the Google search.

While Major Basic Protein came up first, the later makes more sense given the context...

Maybe I can Start loving Windows again (4, Interesting)

TWiTfan (2887093) | about a year ago | (#43722245)

Stop saddling me with your damn phone interface and we'll see.

Re:Maybe I can Start loving Windows again (2)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about a year ago | (#43722695)

The newest version os Stardock Start 8 completely bypasses the Modern interface (in the old version, you could still see it flash on the screen during boot), disables hot corners, charms and everything that we hate about Win8.

It basically turns Win8 into Win7 with the new Win8 tweaks under the hood.

Best of all, it's only $5 bucks. If this Blue update doesn't bring me what I want, I'll definitely buy a legit version of Start8.

Re:Maybe I can Start loving Windows again (3)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#43722943)

Why not just use Win 7?

Re:Maybe I can Start loving Windows again (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43722939)

Maybe I can Start loving Windows again
Stop saddling me with your damn phone interface and we'll see.

Yeah, the phone-thing can be a problem... If you do start loving windows again, make sure you get proper protection, or at lest prop it up with a hypervisor box so don't ruin your 'hardware' when it comes crashing down, if you know what I mean...

Protip: The windows that you can crack open using a special tool is the best -- You can adjust for tightness.

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722259)

Windows Blue.. the makeup version.. we're really sorry this time

So what comes next? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722265)

Windows 8.11
Windows 9
Windows X
Stable 356 - Masturbating Manatee
The New Windows

Re:So what comes next? (3, Funny)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#43722383)

Windows Classic

Re:So what comes next? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722437)

Windows 8.11
Windows 2015 (released December 2015!)
Windows 2018
Windows Decade Edition
Windows 360
Windows Infinite
Windows 10
Windows 11
Windows 11.1
Windows 11.11
Windows 2025 (released December 2025!)
Windows 2028
Windows Decade Edition 2

And so on...

Re:So what comes next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722623)

Windows Zombie Edition

Re:So what comes next? (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about a year ago | (#43722627)

Windows RG [deanliou.com]

Windows XP forever and windows 7.5 (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43722725)

Windows XP forever and then windows 7.5

7.5 is windows 7 UI + all there other stuff stuff from 8 enterprise only

Re:So what comes next? (1)

slash.jit (2893213) | about a year ago | (#43722763)

No.. it will be Windows Red Windows Green Windows Yellow unless they change their logo.

Re:So what comes next? (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about a year ago | (#43722803)

Microsoft Bob (Metro version)

I'm afraid I just blue myself. (1)

dstyle5 (702493) | about a year ago | (#43722267)

Hopefully they add more functionality to apps, make the store useable on PCs, etc, etc. And of course there is that Start menu thingy...

Good move (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | about a year ago | (#43722271)

Definitely a good move. Charging the users to get back their start button wouldn't have eased any of the tension over Windows 8.

Re:Good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722405)

They blew it with the meaningful version increment. Talk about a lost opportunity. They could have bumped up the version to 20 -- for absolutely no reason at all. That's how you do a proper software release in 2013.

Re:Good move (1)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about a year ago | (#43722591)

It's not even sure yet if 8.1 will include the start menu and boot to desktop. By the way, I (and many, many others) installed a little thingy to bring back those features. Wouldn't it be a laugh if MS, instead of giving in to the complaints, broke the desktop/start menu applets to force people to Metro?

Too little, too late? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43722275)

I wonder if this has any chance of actually saving Windows 8.

I find it amusing they were so out of touch with actual users they decided to go ahead with this in the first place.

I've never even seen Win 8, but I certainly have seen the stories and people saying how much they dislike it ... not even sure if what they're restoring even puts a dent in the dislike for the product.

This is the kind of about-face which usually indicates the company made a stupid choice and are now trying desperately to pretend like it didn't happen.

Re:Too little, too late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722371)

My guess is that there's no about-face. Microsoft has been so tight-lipped about features that don't involve Metro fixes that it leads me to believe they're not going back on anything.

They can't just dump Metro - there's a complete ecosystem of apps dependent on it. It's very small, but it's not like they can abandon it. That would be like Apple just discontinuing the entire iOS line and saying "Sorry, your iDevices are useless."

If they bring back Aero and let me boot to the desktop, I'll upgrade. They can keep the Start menu but I wouldn't complain if it was back.

Re:Too little, too late? (4, Informative)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43722853)

They can't just dump Metro - there's a complete ecosystem of apps dependent on it. It's very small, but it's not like they can abandon it. That would be like Apple just discontinuing the entire iOS line and saying "Sorry, your iDevices are useless."

It is far more likely than you think, they have already killed zune, they killed all of those windows phone 7's saying to their customers "yeah our bad you won't be able to update the phone you just bought sucks to be you." Oh and then there was the playforsure debacle. They pushed silverlight and have now nearly abandoned development of it. So Microsoft could throw framework/interface formally known as metro to the wolves on a whim at anytime they want and it would just be par for the course.

Re:Too little, too late? (1)

spire3661 (1038968) | about a year ago | (#43723009)

They just need to push Metro to the background like Apple OSX App store is done. If i dont invoke it, i NEVER see Launchpad on OSX. Make metro so i can ignore it on my machine if i so choose.

Re: Too little, too late? (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | about a year ago | (#43722381)

There's nothing to save. People will go with Win 8 because there is no alternative other than Mac. And that's not what a casual person is willing to spend. And MS knows IG.

Re:Too little, too late? (2)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#43722391)

Most of those stories you've heard are also from people that have never seen it. I upgraded from 7 to 8 for about 4 months. Metro is annoying, but very easy to suppress with any of a dozen third party Start menu replacements (most are free). I had some stability issues, but they got a lot of patches out pretty quickly. I did run into a few oddball problems, such as you can't run apps that use Silverlight if you have Client Hyper-V installed (Silverlight still works fine in browsers for Netflix) but they've likely fixed most of those by now. The only other major issue I ran into is that Intel-SRT showed no improvement in Windows 8 compared to running off just a hard disk, but it worked great with Windows 7. It could be because Windows 8 does tend to run faster on the same hardware. I'll probably wait until 8.1 has been out a month or two and then upgrade again from 7 to see if they've fixed all the little annoyances I had.

Re:Too little, too late? (3, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43722999)

For those of us who have used Windows find 8 annoying because of the changes that were made that hamper our ability to use it as a desktop. For complete novices they don't have to change their behaviors, but Win 8 fails here because it provides you no clue on what to do. For example, how to make changes. You have to click on one of the corners to get "Settings". How in the world is anyone supposed to know that?

Re:Too little, too late? (1)

Dcnjoe60 (682885) | about a year ago | (#43722605)

Windows 8 had to be released when it was so they could push their tablets and phones. It wasn't ready for the desktop, but could be made to work. Now, it appears it is ready for the desktop. Time will tell.

Re:Too little, too late? (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722685)

I've never even seen Win 8, but I certainly have seen the stories and people saying how much they dislike it ...

It's funny, because other than these kinds of statements and initial reviews from online rags, I've only heard average to good things about Windows 8 (in comparison to XP or 7). That is, everyone I've talked to who's actually used it - y'know, the people whose opinion I value because they've actually got experience with what they're talking about - had two complaints:

1) "I didn't like the start screen at all." Well, then I got used to it. I also pinned the stuff I normally use on the desktop to the taskbar. These are people that have next to know computer skills. They got used to it very quickly, and stopped complaining.

2) "I miss the start menu". Then I pinned all my stuff to the taskbar and it didn't matter anymore. Because, y'know, most users don't need 2,557 shortcuts on a start menu, but when they do they simply hit "search" on the charms bar and get the same damn thing if they really needed it.

That's it. Otherwise, every single of them - from 20 years IT folks to grandmothers - say it's faster, and I have yet to hear anyone say they've gotten a blue screen (admittedly, I have... I also have heat issues due to overclocking).

Personally? I think Windows 8 is moderate step up from Windows 7 in speed, with a moderate step down in GUI.

When asked, I tell people that if they're buying a new machine to have no fear of Windows 8. If they're running a legit copy 7 or XP, I tell them to wait it out for Blue. If they're running a pirated copy, I told every single person I know to buy the damn thing for 20 buys at the time.

Now, since I don't know anyone that actually uses Slashdot since about 2009, perhaps the people I consult, work with in a professional relationship, or drink with in bars is different than the expectation here. However, given Slashdot's steady decline as of late (far more pronounced than Microsoft's), I'd have to say that you're likely in the minority, or will be within the next year.

* Posting anon for obvious reasons.

XF8ist stop.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722303)

Hmm... (1)

TrashyMG (2738973) | about a year ago | (#43722317)

Maybe this year will be the year for Windows.. so far not anything that will keep me away from Linux.

Windows Store? why not windows update? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43722323)

Windows Store? why not windows update? and will there BE ISO for clean / fress install and or upgrades from 7

Re:Windows Store? why not windows update? (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about a year ago | (#43722565)

Because they want to catch all those people who weren't tricked into getting Microsoft accounts by the original Windows 8 installer and saw that they could in fact just choose a "local account" and not have something quite so easy for Microsoft to datamine.

Re:Windows Store? why not windows update? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43722661)

Because they want to catch all those people who weren't tricked into getting Microsoft accounts by the original Windows 8 installer and saw that they could in fact just choose a "local account" and not have something quite so easy for Microsoft to datamine.

that sounds like a big enterprise trun off to need a MS account to get all your updates.

Re:Windows Store? why not windows update? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722573)

Never do an OS upgrade except on a clean install.

-voice of experience

Windows Update or Windows Store the same ... (2)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#43722595)

Windows Store? why not windows update?

It probably will be in Windows Update. However a Windows Update will probably not change your configuration settings. Whether you get the 8.0 or the 8.1 user interface will probably just be configuration. Your default configuration varying depending on what you originally installed.

Now if you go to the Windows Store and install Windows 8.1 that will probably change your configuration settings.

Going Update or Store will probably leave you with the same binaries on the hard drive.

They should really just use the code names (1)

jdkc4d (659944) | about a year ago | (#43722331)

I have long thought that the code names they give their products, are somehow more interesting the the name they give their release products. With as much press as we have seen about "Windows 8," I would think they would want to distance themselves from that name. Why not call it Windows Blue? Whistler, Longhorn, etc. These were all better names than what they came out with.

Re:They should really just use the code names (1)

MrEricSir (398214) | about a year ago | (#43722593)

I can agree that "Windows Blew."

So are they really fixing it this time? (5, Interesting)

bobbied (2522392) | about a year ago | (#43722347)

Running Windows 8 at home has been an exercise in asking "How did that get though testing?" questions.

I have observed a number of bugs in the current Windows 8 that cause me to seriously doubt Microsoft's Quality control processes. My running favorite issue is how the Parental controls are exceptionally easy to bypass (just a mouse click at the right time and my son has unlimited time despite how the system is configured.. ) Come on Microsoft... Windows 8 was mostly a GUI adjustment to that metro aka touch screen interface... No real kernel changes from Windows 7.. You need to test a bit better kids.

Windows 8 was not properly tested prior to release, I'm guessing because they rushed it to market. Hopefully 8.1 won't be as rushed and they will actually TEST some of this stuff a bit better this time.

Re:So are they really fixing it this time? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722783)

I probably would have moved to it in an instant if it did not corrupt my MP3's.

http://www.smallfish-bigpond.com/2010/03/windows-media-player-12-corrupts-non-standard-id3-tags/
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpromedia/thread/5ba4df81-29ac-43ad-8920-764faf3c6835/
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=76998

Been reported (by myself for win7 and win8 and win8 beta) before win7 was out of beta and still not fixed. Everyone assumes it was the OTHER corruption and it was fixed.

Still corrupts txxx tags.

Windows Store (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722379)

The last thing I want to do is create / log into the Windows Store.

Will the upgrade be available through alternate means... such as normal windows update?

Or, as it will be known at release... (1, Troll)

Tony (765) | about a year ago | (#43722415)

The official launch name will be Windows Apology.

Re:Or, as it will be known at release... (1)

stanlyb (1839382) | about a year ago | (#43722717)

Windows Sorority.

My guess is that MS will compound their error (2)

gestalt_n_pepper (991155) | about a year ago | (#43722433)

Unable to admit mistakes, there will be no start button that brings up an easily navigable menu. There will be a bitmap that brings up the desktop or something equally stupid/lame.

In other news, Microsoft will give developers no clue as to their long term language strategy. Developers, with no interest in investing limited time, money and resources into Microsoft language technology shambles, will go elsewhere. Top managment at Microsoft will continue to be baffled as to why nobody is writing Windows 8 Apps, or Windows anything apps, anymore.

Re:My guess is that MS will compound their error (1)

DogDude (805747) | about a year ago | (#43722621)

In other news, Microsoft will give developers no clue as to their long term language strategy. Developers, with no interest in investing limited time, money and resources into Microsoft language technology shambles, will go elsewhere. Top managment at Microsoft will continue to be baffled as to why nobody is writing Windows 8 Apps, or Windows anything apps, anymore.

Do you have some stock that you like, by any chance? I have some credit available on my margin account, and was looking to short something.

store only? (2, Interesting)

anthony_greer (2623521) | about a year ago | (#43722439)

Will there still be a stand alone MSI for those of us who have multiple PCs to update? Enterprise or not, updates of this nature need to be available to install on non connected PCs, and I would also like to be able to have it on my USB utility drive so I can upgrade customers/family who have Win 8 PCs.

Needs to have updated ISO's as well (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43722753)

So people who are still on 7 can just do 1 install or if you are starting with a clean pc you do have to sit and download what they used to call SP's.

Free upgrade after registering personal info (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722445)

Sure, free on-line upgrade, just capture your credit card and personal data to activate offer in the store

Will they address feedback (2, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | about a year ago | (#43722483)

The single biggest question is whether or not they will address feedback from the masses on two things that they have been repeatedly told were very bad ideas?

Restore the start menu (not just bounce you back to TIFNAM)
Boot directly to the desktop

If they don't address these two issues with an option to allow both the enterprise is going to continue their mass boycott of Windows 8 for years to come. Microsoft has been particularly stubborn on these points, even though they are dragging the PC industry down with them by being pig headed about things. Microsoft, can your arrogance be overcome?

Re:Will they address feedback (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722805)

Those questions were already answered.

Windows Blew. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722493)

At least they were honest about it.

Some things never change. (4, Insightful)

neoshroom (324937) | about a year ago | (#43722513)

Personally, I'm going to wait for Windows 8.1 for Workgroups [wikipedia.org] ...

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Re:Some things never change. (0)

shafty (81434) | about a year ago | (#43722953)

Parent should be modded Funny not Insightful. Geez moderators, WOOSH over your head.

What really happened (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722563)

Windows 8 was a classic marketing trick. Company has a brand new product. Company has an existing, highly successful, product. Company uses latest version of existing product to 'trojan horse' the new product into customers' lives. After promotion period is over, company once again restores familiar version of original product.

Only problem is that Microsoft has messed up this age old tactic in every way possible. The 'freebie', Metro, RT or whatever the marketing goons at MS fail to call it, was neither wanted nor valued by existing users of Windows. Unlike the free issue of a new magazine that arrives with the current issue of your current magazine subscription, Metro offered nothing useful to anyone. Metro was designed for touch tablets, but Windows 8 mostly sold for non-touch desktop and notebook systems.

You must know this. Originally, full blown Windows 8 was set to be released for ARM computer devices, but then Microsoft accepted an extraordinary pay-off from Intel to delay this inevitable move for another year+. The high managers of Microsoft cancelled the plans for Windows on ARM, instructed the teams to cripple the ARM version of Windows to Metro only, and switched to the 'trojan horse' promotion of Metro on proper Windows 8 installs. The end result was the biggest marketing disaster in Microsoft history, and Intel's pay-off does nothing to change this.

The irony is that ARM devices DO have full blown Windows 8 on them, which is activated by very minor hacks, but the perception of the ARM devices as Metro only, combined with obscenely high prices, meant the Metro ARM tablets didn't sell at all. No hardware base means no-one cares to develop Windows 8 code apps for ARM (which, by the way, is trivial using Microsoft's ARM tools).

Now, ordinary Windows 8 (known as 8.1 for a short periof, before reverting back to 8) will be returned to Windows 7 desktop functionality. Metro will be (to all intents and purposes) repositioned exclusively as a 'mobile' platform. Curiously, this will happen at the same time as Microsoft prepares to release a proper version of Windows 8 for ARM- but then ARM is about to become commonplace in notebook and desktop systems as the old x86 market dies.

Microsoft is correct in thinking that the traditional, multiple window interface of desktop computers is a poor match for mobile devices in their touch screen mode. However, touch screen devices are rapidly becoming 'hybrids', becoming notebooks when docked to a keyboard, and tablets when used without. It is natural that these two modes of use can switch between two interfaces, AT THE USERS DISCRETION.

Microsoft's biggest problem is that they still expect to make each user pay loads of money for Windows. This is rather like the old 2D SVGA graphics companies like Hercules expecting PC users to still pay loads of money for the 2D graphics hardware. Established computer tech, hardware or software, tends to lose all value across time. Your 2D hardware once cost you hundreds of dollars, but now costs just a few cents. The OS should, likewise, be effectively free. Microsoft should be making its money from 'services' by now.

MS knows that moving to tablets means finally accepting that an OS has minimal value. It also knows that with the growing performance of tablets, it cannot pretend the tablet OS is clearly inferior to the desktop OS. Windows has a choice. Become 'free' or become history. Google can deliver the coup de grace at any time now by authorising an official multi-window shell for Android, and give it the desktop functionality of Windows. Of course, there are already any number of unofficial shells for Android that allow people to use it in desktop mode, but app developers need a standard platform to really make a difference.

The age of the x86 is over. The unavoidable Intel tax ensures this fact. The fate of Microsoft is less certain. Intel CANNOT afford to give away its only good product, its x86 CPU. Microsoft CAN afford to give away Windows (in theory) and even do the same for offline OFFICE. The move to ARM does not have to destroy MS. Microsoft just needs to employ some high level managers that have a clue and a backbone for once. Obviously this cannot happen while the useless clown Ballmer is in charge.

AMD is still hear and they are better then intel i (-1, Troll)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43722815)

AMD is still hear and they are better then intel in some ways.

AMD makes cpus with good on board video and good (not top of the line CPU power) with more choice then Intel with what system board / chipset you want to use.

ARM is not as fast and there is way to much X86 software to have it take over any time soon.

MS also tried the app store lock in ideas and if not for windows 8 flopping the EU and other may be look at them for anti trust issues with it right about now.

War on Christmas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43722655)

Microsoft is 'very sensitive to the timing of the holidays.'

I hope the cash registers at Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-a aren't running Windows.

I thought no one used the Start button! (1)

Trashcan Romeo (2675341) | about a year ago | (#43722671)

Microsoft told me so when explaining why they got rid of it! Why would they bring back something no one uses? I'm all confused now!

Free for existing users (1)

rossdee (243626) | about a year ago | (#43722981)

But users who don't exist will have to pay!

Just think of all the revenue they will get from The Toothfairy, Santa Claus, Martians, Klingons, Kzinti , Elves, Unicorns, and Honest Politicians

Really? Blue? (1)

Taibhsear (1286214) | about a year ago | (#43723013)

Like, as in Windows Blue Screen Of Death? Is this a not-so-inside joke?

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