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Pirate Bay Co-founder Peter Sunde Running For European Parliament

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the lyndon-larouche-2016 dept.

EU 58

An anonymous reader writes "Peter Sunde aka brokep of TPB fame is going to run for European Parliament in 2014, as a Finnish Pirate Party candidate. As he still has a prison sentence to serve in Sweden, he might have to campaign from behind bars. 'Amusingly, the Pirate ticket in Finland could have been even bigger than it is now. Sunde informs TorrentFreak that he also reached out to Finnish-born Kim Dotcom to join the race, but the Megaupload founder currently has other priorities.'"

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58 comments

Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (0)

Steve Ka (2922929) | about a year ago | (#43731445)

Kim Dotcom is not finnish born, he's born in Germany.

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (4, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43731583)

Kim Dotcom is not finnish born, he's born in Germany.

to a finnish mother. wikipedia lists him having finnish nationality due to the biggest newspaper in Finland reporting it. doesn't matter that much if he was born on finnish soil or not.

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731687)

so why not just call him german-born to a german father instead? like you say, it doesn't really matter that much if he was born on finnish soil or not.

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (1)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#43731847)

Probably because his Finnish mother qualifies him for Finnish citizenship and running for Finnish office.

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (1)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about a year ago | (#43732789)

Kim Dotcom is not finnish born, he's born in Germany.

to a finnish mother. wikipedia lists him having finnish nationality due to the biggest newspaper in Finland reporting it. doesn't matter that much if he was born on finnish soil or not.

Given that the big joke on Finns is that they keep to the rules even when everyone else is breaking them (even mentioned in "Iron Sky", a Finnish production, where only the Finns didn't arm their spaceship), then we must guess that Kim Dotcom's life must be a reaction against his Finnish roots!

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43734795)

Gosh, his name is Dotcom. He's obviously from the Internet, not Finland or Germany, duh.

Re:Finnish-born Kim Dotcom (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731771)

Shush! If the Finish want the world to believe that they spawned Kim Schmitz, then let them have him.

How can dissenters be elected? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731463)

I don't understand, we in America have a functioning democracy and consequently all of the elected officials play on the same team.

How could anyone exhibiting defiance run for office? I am confused.

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731749)

"we in America have a functioning democracy and consequently all of the elected officials play on the same team."

I lol'd.

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43734267)

"we in America have a functioning democracy and consequently all of the elected officials play on the same team."

I lol'd.

Me too, America doesn't have a functional democracy because the majority of people don't bother to work it and vote. And have never even tried it, just given up because it doesn't give instant gratification for minimal effort, and complain on the Internet instead, it is easier. This is the difference with places that have a working democracy (they too have corrupt politicians, but vote them out, powerful corporations, but work and vote to keep them more in check, etc. etc perfect? no. Keeping a better balance between power to the people vs corporations and powerful lobbyists? yes.)

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (0)

jeffclay (1077679) | about a year ago | (#43732139)

we in America have a functioning democracy and consequently all of the elected officials play on the same team.

Somebody needs to wake up and take a look around

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | about a year ago | (#43732279)

I can help you identify that whooshing sound you heard, if you like.

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#43732589)

"Funny" instead of "informative"?

I'm intrigued.

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732799)

The key word is "pretend".

Re:How can dissenters be elected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43736705)

First off, its a republic.
Second, we can't: it is quite dysfunctional, and there isn't much we can do about it because the political parties act in collusion to control who gets on the ballots.

No one wants a one trick pony (0, Troll)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year ago | (#43731559)

It might come as news to this guy , who knows, but anyone over the age of 18 - ie people who can vote - have more pressing concerns in europe right now that whether they can download pirated media. You know, minor things like over 50% youth unemployement in spain, the collapse of the greek economy and its knock on effects, mass immigration, enviromental degradation...

But hey, I'm sure compaigning for being able to download crap for free is the golden ticket.

Not.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (3, Insightful)

backslashdot (95548) | about a year ago | (#43731587)

Obviously you're willfully ignorant of the pirate party, as well as about the other issues you mentioned. Take a few minutes to research topics before spewing nonsensical stuff.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1, Insightful)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year ago | (#43731869)

I'm not ignorant of them at all - they're a one issue party that pays lip service to the issues adults actually care about. They're a joke.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (3, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43732199)

I know, we should vote for the zero issue parties that pay lip service to the issues adults actually care about very loudly.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732109)

Obviously you're willfully ignorant of the pirate party, as well as about the other issues you mentioned. Take a few minutes to research topics before spewing nonsensical stuff.

Wow. Impressive. A legitimate point was brought up against something that garners knee-jerk approval around here, and your only response is from the category of "derp, you're wrong, now go off and make my arguments for me". I mean, no links, no reasoning, no defending your point, nothing. The epitome of laziness in any sort of discussion. And you got modded informative and insightful for that.

Man, now I'm NEVER going to leave Slashdot. It just keeps getting more and more hilarious. The hivemindedness, the enforced obedience, the resistance to outside opinion... y'know how North Korea is run by a little kids who think they're a real country? It's like Slashdot is run by even smaller kids who think they're a real North Korea. A bad copy of an already bad copy. Even more pathetic, powerless, and devoted to maintaining status quo. I GOTTA be there to watch the inevitable actual self-destruction! That'll be great!

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about a year ago | (#43731603)

Do you understand how most parliamentary governments work? Parties dedicated to individual themes come together and form larger coalitions. Unlike in countries with a two-party system, parties aren't under pressure to be all things to all people.

...enviromental degradation...

The Greens are usually seen as a natural partner for The Pirate Party in any coalition.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#43732143)

Do you understand how most parliamentary governments work? Parties dedicated to individual themes come together and form larger coalitions. Unlike in countries with a two-party system, parties aren't under pressure to be all things to all people.

...enviromental degradation...

The Greens are usually seen as a natural partner for The Pirate Party in any coalition.

Parties dedicated to individual themes - we call the one issue parties. These parties have one or two key things they want to achieve. Having two or three of these parties is not a big problem, but many small parties like this completely lock up the system, because it becomes impossible to get a coalition. It's always trading. When I support you here, you support my one issue. Only problem here is when these issues conflict, apart from the time it takes to get everyone together. And then one party threatens to leave the "party", essentially holding the rest hostage.

It's the way it works, it's democracy in the 21st century, but it's not working to create a better place to live.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43732237)

You're damned welcome to the U.S. system instead. I'd trade with you in a heartbeat. We have political parties who are "One issue parties" for 3 or 4 issues, we like to call wedge issues. Tons of 1 issue voters who will repeatedly vote for the party that cares about their one issue regardless of the other terrible positions the party has. We don't get coalitions that are fragile based on the completion of issues. We get deadlock, intentional destruction of working government features, and "taking a stand" on a no-go issue constantly.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

Kvan (30429) | about a year ago | (#43739835)

I would argue that with the way politics are going in most Western countries, deadlock is actually a better than average outcome in politics these days.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43740205)

Oh, no, the poisonous bullshit still finds a way through.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43735903)

"how most parliamentary governments work". True, but the European Parliament is as odd as they get. For starters, they don't elect a government. As a result, there is no idea of a "coalition" to elect such a government.

Furthermore, parties in parliaments act in an organized fashion, which makes mathematical modeling feasible. It turns out that coalition forming benefits parties which are critical. Adding the 51st % makes you critical. Adding another 1% doesn't matter. The EP is quite large (~800 seats; varies a bit as new countries join), the three large blocks are the Christian Democrats, Socialists and the Liberals. If two of them block a proposal, it's out, if two support it, it's in. This makes minor parties quite irrelevant.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731605)

Everyone wants a one trick pony, because they steal votes from the major parties, forcing them to pay attention to the issues the one trick pony campaigns for.

Re: What are you discussing? (-1, Offtopic)

BarbambiaKirgudu (2578457) | about a year ago | (#43731973)

Dear Anonymous Coward:

Better late than never; in reply to by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 15, 2013 @04:01PM (#43455093) :

We are discussing "many other workplaces". HTH

The point http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3632275&cid=43410689 [slashdot.org] was: why to discuss whether the Google idea of productivity is a bad fit for "many other workplaces" or not if you have no idea what you are talking about?

Those who never have been with Google do not really know the ground truth about life at Google. Those who are with Google at the moment of this writing are not going to speak up here (at least to say anything contrary to rosy pictures) if they want to keep working for Google. Those who left had signed NDA and still may hold Google shares, etc.

Thanks.

BK

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43736053)

The Fins have 13 seats in the EP. Good luck stealing one of them; you'd need ~8% of the votes. Even in Sweden, their home base, they scored only 7%. Sweden has 18 seats, which explains how the PP did get one MEP. In addition, a good predictor of the PP success is the level of political cynicism regarding established parties. Finland today has one of the lowest levels of cynicism (Eurobarometer 78, fall 2012)

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731607)

And as we all know information technology is not a part of the future. Errr... Part of the future, as we saw it a couple decades ago. Also known as Now.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731615)

Well, all other alternatives have proven again and again that they only screw things up more.
While it is unlikely that Sunde will do much good he isn't very likely to screw up national economics to do his banking cronies a favor like the others have done.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43731639)

I wouldn't mind a one trick pony, if that one trick was shitting gold bricks. Sometimes you need to stand up for a cause to protect other causes.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (3, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43731767)

It might come as news to this guy , who knows, but anyone over the age of 18 - ie people who can vote - have more pressing concerns in europe right now that whether they can download pirated media. You know, minor things like over 50% youth unemployement in spain, the collapse of the greek economy and its knock on effects, mass immigration, enviromental degradation...

But hey, I'm sure compaigning for being able to download crap for free is the golden ticket.

Not.

I'd gladly vote for a one trick pony that did that one trick. Also, due to there not being so much money being able to use the world as your library is more important than ever(because it's technically doable for extremely low amount of money). If I could vote for someone who would clear all copyrights - and had NO other agenda, I would. Now I would vote for all the other agendas some of which I don't agree with. I make money writing software but I would still vote for the abolition.

I'm pretty sure Finnish voters don't give a shit about Spanish situation though - of the Greek situation we care slightly because our government backed their bailout. Which is ridiculous if you think about it - Greece has double the population, I would have let their banks fall, Greek depositors would have been the major losers and ultimately it is their fault. Greece used to be a cheap place to go for holidays.. and it would be again when they actually start working for the money instead of harassing people who bring in cash to the country while they have time from their womans football league rioting.

I would still probably now vote for Pirate Party. As a protest. The usual Party I vote for has such a fuckface at the helm - at least on paper, dunno who he takes hints from, possibly from nobody since he's so clueless - that I can't possibly voice support for him - the only consolidation there is that the alternative would have been even worse. It's like the even bigger fuckfaces of the older politician generation bred just wimps on purpose so they wouldn't be ousted before being literally too senile to talk.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year ago | (#43731939)

"I'm pretty sure Finnish voters don't give a shit about Spanish situation though"

They should. If they think Finland lives in a protected bubble then I've got news for them. If an economy the size of spain's goes down the toilet it'll take the rest of europe with it in a domino effect.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (3, Funny)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43732315)

"I'm pretty sure Finnish voters don't give a shit about Spanish situation though"

They should. If they think Finland lives in a protected bubble then I've got news for them. If an economy the size of spain's goes down the toilet it'll take the rest of europe with it in a domino effect.

Finland doesn't live in a bubble. living in the soviet border bubble didn't work out.

Spain is full of Spaniards, we can't get them to listen to anything we say, since they're Spaniards and they have almost 10x the population so _we_ can't be bailing them out. We can't do shit about them so there's not that much to give a shit about. Well, we can buy spanish produce of course and we do, but it's not like that helps their unemployment numbers - which is right at the root of the problem... and there's not a single Finnish politician we could vote for who could make all of the southern europe suddenly to stop whining and play by the rules which would have avoided the whole problem(I mean, there would still be a recession - like there is in Finland - but they wouldn't be running around the world begging for money so that their citizens could keep their money...).

That's already enough dominoes we can't do shit about. So all we can do is hope that the Spanish, the Italians and the Greeks all have their markets crash through the floor SO WE CAN BUY THEIR HOUSES AND MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF FINLAND. That's the real Finnish dream ;).

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#43732755)

We're already doing that. I have a teacher friend who bought a >100m2 apartment in Spain from a spanish bank about a year ago for 200€/month for 30 years. At the end of the contract, apartment is his. He basically has a summer apartment in Spain now to spend his long summer holiday in, and he tries to rent it for as long as possible during three other seasons but with little luck - locals basically have no money even for rent at this point unfortunately.

He's not the only one doing this either.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about a year ago | (#43734509)

That's already enough dominoes we can't do shit about. So all we can do is hope that the Spanish, the Italians and the Greeks all have their markets crash through the floor SO WE CAN BUY THEIR HOUSES AND MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF FINLAND. That's the real Finnish dream ;).

No problem, just make sure your savings are in Swiss Francs rather than Euros, then.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43733265)

If they think Finland lives in a protected bubble then I've got news for them.

We don't? :(

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

c (8461) | about a year ago | (#43732091)

It's like the even bigger fuckfaces of the older politician generation bred just wimps on purpose so they wouldn't be ousted before being literally too senile to talk.

George Bush Jr. demonstrated how badly that strategy can backfire...

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

lxs (131946) | about a year ago | (#43732019)

Piracy helps keep the bills down in times of crisis. And yes, it is an important issue in Europe.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#43732105)

- have more pressing concerns in europe right now that whether they can download pirated media. You know, minor things like over 50% youth unemployement in spain, the collapse of the greek economy and its knock on effects, mass immigration, enviromental degradation...

Right, because the existing parties here in Spain are doing such a good job of running the country.

Who knows, maybe a bit of young blood who doesn't talk the talk or wear an expensive suit might be a good thing.

Re:No one wants a one trick pony (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year ago | (#43733219)

Actually I have a history of voting for people who clearly state they are against software patents running for the European Parliament. Quite often these people are also against excessive federalism in the EU instead of rubber stamping everything put out by the Commission. I would probably vote for the Pirate Party if we had one here.

Most of the issues in the economy were caused or exacerbated by federal imposed policies (namely free trade with China and the Euro). Voting for mainstream parties for the European Parliament is to vote for the continuity of the present ruinous centrally imposed policies.

The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (3, Interesting)

6 (22657) | about a year ago | (#43731947)

I think these stories of pirate parties, or communists, or greens, running and being elected to various governmental office are so titillating to Americans because we find it hard to imagine the vast tolerance of divergent opinions in non-american politics. In the USA we have two center right parties with almost no divergence over core political issues who fight to endlessly promote minor political issues or social wedge issues so as to disguise their complete lock on political power.

In the US you could no more elect a pirate, a communist, or an atheist, than you could elect bear. So in the end for us these stories are dancing bear type stories. No one asks if a dancing bear dances well. We aren't interested all that much in the policies or the questions themselves; we're just kind of amazed that you guys would conceive of electing someone whose opinion diverges so far from your rulers.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732031)

Bear party 2016!

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732207)

Yeah yeah. The grass always seems greener on the other side. We might have bear parties if we are so inclined, and you have the right to arm bears. Everyone has something to brag about and something to envy.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732077)

Bears are the only ones in America exercising their right to bear arms!

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | about a year ago | (#43732145)

No one asks if a dancing bear dances well.

As long as he's big, furry and cuddly, who cares?

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43732363)

Please note that this is merely tolerance of far-left parties. Any time a far-right party wins any kind of election anywhere, the stern-faced assholes in charge of the media declare that we must all act together to refute and rob all legitimacy from latest outrage.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732571)

There are plenty of far-right parties in power in Europe. The Tories in the UK, Fidesz in Hungary, until recently UMP in France. If you mean racist parties, then yes, most people don't like those.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (1)

SteveFoerster (136027) | about a year ago | (#43734533)

Since when are the Tories a far right party? Even UKIP isn't far right. BNP, okay, they're far right.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43735367)

Really? What are the BNP's policies on taxation, worker's rights and the welfare state?

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43734419)

I never worry about far right people in the netherlands.
History has shown that they will either fall in line, or be shot dead.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43732593)

(...) we're just kind of amazed that you guys would conceive of electing someone whose opinion diverges so far from your rulers.

We're not just more used to seeing a diverse spectrum of political viewpoints being expressed, but also being ruled by functioning (coalitions with) parties further from the center.

E.g. in Germany the successful SPD - Green coalitions of 1998-2005 [wikipedia.org] (hence DE closing its nuclear power plants); or the strange but effective1994-1998 "purple" government of Wim Kok in the Netherlands [wikipedia.org] ; a more or less functioning coalition between center-left (PvdA), liberal-center (D'66) and right-wing-liberal (VVD) which did wonders for personal freedom in the Netherlands as long as the topic was not the economy (on which they didn't agree of course).
This could happen because the voters had kicked out the long-term centrist "party of power" the religious christian democrats (CDA).
As a result the ensuing government could legalize (==tax!) prostitution, same-sex marriage and euthanasia; it probably falls out of scope on any drawing of the two right-wing conservative parties (Democrats and Republicans) in the USA political spectrum who resemble the CDA but much much worse IMHO ;-)

Every adult European knows that, as long as the Nazis don't get into power, they can try to kick the government out after 4 years at the next election, to be replaced by an even weirder coalition.
<godwin>
(When the Nazis get elected into power in a country, they explain to their beloved people that voting is from now on no longer necessary.)
</godwin>

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about a year ago | (#43732673)

What, European governments can declare certain parties to be illegal. It's a controlled environment where the kids are allowed to goof around, but the controls are absolute.

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43734177)

"Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the communist party?"

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43734331)

What, European governments can declare certain parties to be illegal. It's a controlled environment where the kids are allowed to goof around, but the controls are absolute.

Any examples of this except Nazi parties? Or was that what you were thinking of (in which case the comment about kids and absolute controls seems a bit sensationalist)

Re:The Weird Vast Tolerance of Opinions in Europe (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | about a year ago | (#43733209)

That's a natural outgrowth of the different electoral systems used. In parliamentary systems common in Europe, it is often advantageous to elect candidates from small parties, because those small parties end up deciding things when the large parties split. For example, voting Liberal Democrat in the 2010 UK election gave those voters more power than if they'd elected a Labour candidate, because the Conservatives would form a coalition government with the Liberal Democrats (because then the Conservatives would be unquestionably the dominant player) but would never form a coalition with Labour (risking serious power-sharing problems within the government).

But you can elect an avowed socialist in the US, and the proof of that is Senator Bernie Sanders. And while we don't know for sure, there may be as many as 6 closet atheists or agnostics in Congress (all Democrats, incidentally), because they refused to answer pollsters who asked all Congresscritters about their religious affiliation (if any). That's still vastly under-representing the something like 30% of Americans who currently have no religious affiliation, but it's not nothing.

great communication skills, I'll vote for him (1)

colordev (1764040) | about a year ago | (#43732419)

some response samples to legal threats

Dear Prokaryote(s), Please sue me in Japan instead. I've always wanted to visit Tokyo. Also, I'm running out of toilet paper, so please send lots of legal documents to our ISP - preferably printed on soft paper.

Please be assured that any further contact with us, regardless of medium, will result in a) a suit being filed for harassment b) a formal complaint lodged with the bar of your legal counsel, for sending frivolous legal threats. It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons. Please also note that your e-mail and letter will be published in full on http://www.thepiratebay.org./ [www.thepiratebay.org] Go fuck yourself.

Europol? More like Eurolol! Lololololol!!1 hahahaha ok we very funny and on (b) I'll reply Yeah good luck with that. Ask your buddies at the MPAA, RIAA, MAFIAA and the american justice department how much effect that usually does. We got raided once due the american government going to bed with the swedish gov and some pillowtalking into an agreement about shutting us down. We were down for 3 days. Not as much of a problem comparing to how long it took us to get online when a former admin went on a drunk rampage and was nowhere to be found (down for 5 days. some million in fines, 4 dead sheep and a story never to be told, without level 4 clearance.. yeah, more than you have, you're only at level 3 lolololol) > Thank you for your cooperation. Hey your're welcome! Feel free to grab some retractable batons on your way out. If the MPAA didn't grab em all.

Wikipedia tells he used to TBP's spokesperson, hopefully he will be speaking soon in EU parliament

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