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Ask Slashdot: Dealing With a Fear of Technological Change?

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the xterm-is-all-you-need dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Despite the fact that I am fairly young at twenty-four years old, people see me as rather 'old school.' I regularly use Lynx, IRC, Pine, have many consoles open, and am currently typing this on an older plain black laptop that has a matte 4:3 display and no chiclet keys. As the days progress, I am coming to the realization that the 'old school' computing world that I grew up in is slowly fading away and a new world of Windows 8, Web 3.0, tablets, smart televisions, and social networking is starting to become fairly common. If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation. Like many Slashdot users (I am sure you know who you are), I do not accept the new as easily as I probably should. How have you learned to adapt and accept things that are new and different in the world of technology and computers? If not, what are some effective strategies to utilize to keep these kids off my lawn?"

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Old School B-) (2)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | about a year ago | (#43745997)

Stay cool, don't be a fool.

Re:Old School B-) (5, Insightful)

jhoegl (638955) | about a year ago | (#43746443)

As utterly useless as this saying is, because it is so general I would say at least keep your wits. Because a moron reacts to changes moronically.
Such as buying a gadget without anyone fully understanding its usage or potential (tablet), or perhaps buying something because others have it (rasberry pi).
The Tablet is a niche market that exploded, because the niche is pretty large (all sales people and children under 12). it will settle down, and will not take away the desktop or laptop. It wont take away servers or networking, and it wont do anything to programming.
Evaluate items based on what they are and what they bring. Fearing technology? no... fearing things that lock you down or keep you walled in some sort of garden preventing you from reaching your potential or the devices potential... yes, very much yes.

Re:Old School B-) (3, Insightful)

hendrikboom (1001110) | about a year ago | (#43746485)

Tablets won't take away servers or networking -- tablets need the servers and the network.

Make yourself be part of "the solution" (5, Insightful)

neye_eve (212185) | about a year ago | (#43746037)

Having gone through some of the same things, the best advice I can say is to ignore those feelings publicly. At work I'm riding the wave with the rest of them. At home I'm back on my happy train. The last thing I want is to be marginalized at work because I'm "that guy" who is a roadblock instead of a guy that moves things forward.

In the tech industry, you do NOT want to be the enemy of the executives.

Definitely point out real problems when they're there, and nix projects that are bad, but try not to let your bias lead you to make irrationally bad arguments. And who knows, you might learn to like some of the stuff, which will help you in the future as well both because you know more, and also because your attitude will be more open. It's worked for me so far at least - I just bought an iPad and a Surface Pro today for testing, will be getting a Nexus to validate very soon as well. It's actually pretty fun.

In any case, good luck, and long live lynx!

Re:Make yourself be part of "the solution" (4, Insightful)

TWX (665546) | about a year ago | (#43746287)

I've found that very little is actually new. There have been tablet computers for some time. There have been wearable computers. There has been "social media" since the days of Fidonet. We had "SMS" fifteen years ago with bidirectional alphanumeric pagers and TAP.

Very little is new, it's just reinvented again and again and again. And again, and again. Accept this and just do what you need to do. Eventually you'll come to understand it and won't be stuck with some weird, antiquated version of Firefox running on your Debian 2.4 box because you refuse to change. It doesn't friggin' matter.

You're 24 and you're using Pine? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746047)

That was old when I was using it, and I'm more than a decade you're senior. Hate to spoil it for you... but Y2K? Not that big of a deal.

Install X? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746057)

Just a thought...

24 yo? (5, Insightful)

Cornwallis (1188489) | about a year ago | (#43746061)

I've got socks older than you. What are you gonna do when you really get old?

Re:24 yo? (5, Funny)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about a year ago | (#43746161)

Get a bigger 'get off my lawn' sign?

Re:24 yo? (1)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43746189)

Become indistinguishable from all his peers, who are hip young technofetishists today, but will be fellow crotchety luddites complaining about the new kids on the lawn (and their pointless faddish brain implants and stupid music) in another 30 years?

Re:24 yo? (5, Funny)

oodaloop (1229816) | about a year ago | (#43746211)

Let me just say, and I think I speak for everyone on Slashdot, change your damn socks already!

Re:24 yo? (5, Insightful)

ModernGeek (601932) | about a year ago | (#43746223)

Don't listen to him. Stick to your ways and keep contributing to F/OSS. If the "old school" tools are used and maintained, then they are still alive. Keep coding, and keep using your computer.

One day when all those iDevices are obsolete, and can't be upgraded or used because of their proprietary lock in mechanisms, you'll be laughing from your throne as you did not allow yourself or your utilities to become useless.

The best advise I can give to you is to not give into proprietary hardware just because it is shiny and new. You'll find yourself replacing everything every two years, and pouring money into the coughers of corporations. You'll become more dependent on the grace of other companies, and at the mercy of others.

Don't try to be hip, and don't run with the crowd just because it's there.

Re:24 yo? (1)

rnturn (11092) | about a year ago | (#43746433)

``The best advise I can give to you is to not give into proprietary hardware just because it is shiny and new. You'll find yourself replacing everything every two years, and pouring money into the coughers (sic) of corporations. You'll become more dependent on the grace of other companies, and at the mercy of others.

All I can say is: Spot F**kin' On. If it isn't broken why am I constantly being reminded that I need to replace it. Are these hipsters who always have the latest technological doodad going to be able to retire after having spent their entire working lives shelling out their paycheck for the next cool toy that Corporate Marketing has convinced them they need?

Hell... I thought it was now the definition of "lame" to be standing outside the Windows or Apple store waiting to be milked for the newest shiny and over-priced toy. Now we have another generation worried that they'll be left behind or somehow unemployable if they aren't seen with the newest smart phone.

Re:24 yo? (4, Interesting)

verifine (685231) | about a year ago | (#43746253)

I just spent 3 days at a HP-sponsored event. Can you say Windows? I happened to mention I use Emacs as my editor. Everything was fine up until then, using Linux is "geeky/cool," but for a couple of listeners, using Emacs equated with being ancient. Bizarre. I don't GAF (think about that) what people use to create files. The created file and what it does in the grand scheme of things has always seemed to me to be the more important aspect of it all, and if you like vi, yay for you. I've used Emacs since before many IT people today were born.

People are mostly awed when they enter my office, get behind the "wall o-monitors" and see just how many xterm windows I'm running. More disturbing for them, since several are running tails, they move. My visitors are intimidated, though that is never my intent. I imagine them thinking, "How does he manage so much information at one time!!!"

When command line is history, I hope to be history

Re:24 yo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746371)

personally i use tail to act like i am busy doing actual work... i mean i could be staring at the monitor all day long, but one its command line and 2 its moving... i must be working.

Re:24 yo? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746471)

People are mostly awed when they enter my office, get behind the "wall o-monitors" and see just how many xterm windows I'm running. More disturbing for them, since several are running tails, they move. My visitors are intimidated, though that is never my intent. I imagine them thinking, "How does he manage so much information at one time!!!"

What a tool.

Re:24 yo? (1)

rnturn (11092) | about a year ago | (#43746491)

``I've used Emacs since before many IT people today were born.''

I learned by accident. My first IBM-clone (Columbia 1600) shipped with a software suite that used the Emacs keyboard mappings. Later when I wound up using a Tektronix workstation, the standard editor was Emacs and I was right at home.

(Remember: We hide because we use Emacs and they use vi.)

Re:24 yo? (2)

jez9999 (618189) | about a year ago | (#43746517)

I just spent 3 days at a HP-sponsored event. Can you say Windows? I happened to mention I use Emacs as my editor. Everything was fine up until then, using Linux is "geeky/cool," but for a couple of listeners, using Emacs equated with being ancient. Bizarre.

To be fair, at least Windows has a decent text editor.

Re:24 yo? (3, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43746423)

I've got socks older than you. What are you gonna do when you really get old?

Considering how fast new things come (and go) in this field, anyone with more than five years of industry experience can claim to be "old". Anyway... Can I just say -- you need to update your wardrobe if you have 24 year old socks. My car isn't even that old, and it's falling apart; If I kept socks for that long, they'd be like... sock molecules, held together only by determination and a fierce desire to not be trendy.

Re:24 yo? (1)

sphealey (2855) | about a year ago | (#43746561)

Assuming the parent is (1) not kidding (2) referring to wool socks, it is quite possible. Wool clothing was far better made 25 years ago than it is today, and far more durable than almost anything on the apparel market now. Not all change is "progress".

sPh

Do you need to? (4, Informative)

Galaga88 (148206) | about a year ago | (#43746069)

If the current tools you have are getting the job done, I don't see a need to change.

If you want to force yourself into getting started with new technology, I'd start with a rootable Android smartphone, or a Nexus 7 if you don't want to spring for a phone plan. Then just jump right in to exploring it.

You'll learn a lot of the new interface tricks that are shared with tablets/phones, there's a lot of devices and web services they can integrate with, and you can still get your hack on and put SSH and all that other fun stuff on the device.

Re:Do you need to? (2)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#43746163)

Hear hear.

It's good to focus on what works.

But explore at the edges if you can spare the attention and time. Treating it as play is a good approach for this. Like Galaga88 said, a rootable Android toy is a good start. It'll get you used to touch interfaces and show you some of the power of portability. (To use an example.)

I always made a point of getting a slider keyboard phone. SSHing into a server is pretty sweet with a physical keyboard, even if the teensy tiny on-screen font makes me take my glasses off sometimes. (160x38 on a 4.3" screen, yo!)

Re:Do you need to? (1)

n1ywb (555767) | about a year ago | (#43746421)

Seriously. Do what works for you. I mostly do my email in gmail. But I do all of my real paying work at a shell prompt or in VIM. Because it works. When I have to use a windows box for whatever reason I install cygwin so I can keep doing my work in bash & VIM.

The thing is more and more people are using computers every day. As computing becomes commoditized it moves towards the lowest common denominator. This is to be expected. Don't feel like you have to stoop down to that level, but don't be all high falutin' either. Do your thing, be true to yourself, be respectful of others. You might even convert a few people to IRC.

It's not like your skills are stale if you don't use tablets. It's not like iPads are hard to use or something.

Umm, no. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746073)

If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation.

Umm, no. That is the exact opposite of what most humans have a desire to do. We hang on to things that we know. Why do you think Windows 8.1 will have a "Start" button? By and large, people hate change.

Re:Umm, no. (1)

Nrrqshrr (1879148) | about a year ago | (#43746337)

Out of mod points so posting this to support parent. I am jealous of the submitter anyway, he clearly didn't have to deal with too many conservatives in his life.

Old school = conservative? (2)

Hartree (191324) | about a year ago | (#43746573)

Huh. I didn't know that RMS was a "conservative". He'll be so surprised.

Ignore fruit-fly technological changes! (2)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about a year ago | (#43746361)

Are you the sort of person who changes your toothpaste every time some new whiz-bang marketing feature is invented? Or do you stick with a working basic toothpaste because it really makes no difference (brushing does most of the work anyway). What has changed in computing at the core level in the last few years? More parallelism, a few newer languages and technologies ... not much else. The rest is just the interface. If you want to work on interfaces, you need to be up to speed on this. The rest can be manipulated just as well (or better) from a console. If your core knowledge and abilities are sound, then you are in a good place to tackle anything, interfaces included, according to the needs of the job at hand.

Re:Umm, no. (1)

rnturn (11092) | about a year ago | (#43746537)

``By and large, people hate change.''

Technology corporations love change, though. That's why they have such big marketing budgets: to convince us that we need their latest and greatest toy and to be parted from our cash for the privilege of owning it.

Subject thingie (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746075)

>PINE
>not god-tier mutt
Shiggydiggy

Re:Subject thingie (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746481)

Back to /g/, ignorant swine!

Keep your eye on the goal... (2)

msauve (701917) | about a year ago | (#43746077)

it's not about the tools, but how well you use them. If you're more productive with old tools than your peers are with new ones, why worry? It's easier to move forward than backward, so you'll always have a bigger tool belt than those who didn't bother learning/understanding the capabilities of "old school."

So you say you have a fear of technological change (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746079)

yet all you've said is "I use Linux and I have a ThinkPad from before the brand was sold to Lenovo."

Captcha: coaxial

OP is a hipster (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746345)

He uses a laptop brand you've probably never heard of.

The whole "article" smells of trolling.

I have the same issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746085)

Personally I'm dealing with many of the same issues. I try to push past them when it's something I feel is a fault in myself, but my resistance to a number of current trends is because I think the trend itself is *bad*. I find Facebook an excellent example. I've never understood the desire other people seem to have to take all their personal and confidential information and throw it up online for others to see. When people were upset that employers were asking for passwords to check their Facebook stuff my reaction was "Sure that's wrong, but what did you think was going to happen when you posted drunk pics of yourself online?"

I'd suggest you examine *why* you resist some trends. If you have a good reason why the newer trend is bad, then I say keep resisting. If you're only pushing back because "I've always done it this way" then it's probably time to try something new.

If it ain't broke don't fix it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746089)

The same is as true of technology as it is of engineering. If what you have works, fine. If it takes effort to make it work, share the result. Just remember to keep your head up and your eyes open, because new technology often brings surprising opportunities when meshed with something old and familiar.

And above all else, be wary of the phrase "but this is the way it's always been done."

Contemplate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746091)

the story of Mel [pbm.com] and then about Real Programmers [pbm.com] of ages past.

No, they don't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746095)

it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation.

Not really. Most humans like to stick with what they're comfortable with. Superficial newness chasing exists, sure, but it's usually about the packaging more than anything else. People tend to like what they grew up with. The stuff mentioned - social networking, tablets, etc. - are not becoming common because everyone jumped ship, they're becoming common because enough people grew up with them. Social networking and tablets are both decades old.

You aren't refusing to change (4, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#43746099)

You're actively regressing when you stick with a text mode browser in the modern world. You aren't "old school" -- you're stubborn. Old school would be sticking with what you learned to start with, not specifically choosing something from the late '70s or early '80s to work with.

Your big problem is you need to grow up.

Re:You aren't refusing to change (4, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#43746171)

Let me rephrase that:

Using the command line tools does not make you "L33t". It does not make you "cool".

Using archaic tools for modern jobs is just flat out asinine. You didn't grow up with those tools -- those tools are from my university days. And I'm 49, not 24.

Stop fooling yourself that you're special and use the right tool for the job instead of being stubborn.

Re:You aren't refusing to change (3, Insightful)

plover (150551) | about a year ago | (#43746365)

And what, in your expert opinion, is the right tool for the job? Back in the day I never bothered moving to pine, because I figured elm was good enough for me. (And it was.) Now I seem to spend half my workday in Outlook, and it makes me exactly every bit as productive as elm did. It's worse, actually, because these days everyone has email and it's now far too easy for the unwashed masses to cc: a status report to a hundred people who simply don't care.

If a newer tool doesn't provide a demonstrable or measurable improvement, what makes that new tool "right"? What makes the old tool "wrong"?

Re:You aren't refusing to change (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746383)

That's a bit unfair... some of the older tools are actually better for the job. The Linux CLI is usually faster than a GUI filemanager (because of globbing and tab-completion). Pine may not be pretty, but again, it's faster than Thunderbird. And 16:12 is definitely better than 16:8 for a laptop, even if the movie-tail is wagging the productivity-dog. Use the best tool there is, for you.

Re:You aren't refusing to change (3, Insightful)

Aguazul2 (2591049) | about a year ago | (#43746459)

Who says the console isn't the right tool for the job? Even Windows has PowerShell, and Windows 2012 can be installed without any GUI at all, relying on remote shell access for maintenance. If you do this all day long, the shell is often the best tool for the job. Point and click and GUIs are for getting things done when you have little previous experience with that task (or for things that obviously require graphics).

Re:You aren't refusing to change (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746565)

bad advice. real computing done on real computers uses the command line. GUI tools for systems administration largely pander to a sort of person you'd never want on a serious computer. If you master the command line way of systems admin on real operating systems, you'll make much more than a windows click and point ween0r.

The command line is not archaic any more than programming with text is archaic.

Re:You aren't refusing to change (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746541)

You're just being confrontational. I'll grant you that text mode browsers are an anachronism, but many old school technologies are quite efficient when you're used to them and have your tools configured the way you want them. Unix is old, not antiquated. KISS and "everything is a file" are valid design principles even today. The problem is lock-in: Having a familiar system with many configuration tweaks and custom tools makes every new technology look clumsy. It's like learning touch-typing when you're already proficient with a hunt-and-peck system: Your throughput takes a dive and if you're not confident that you'll eventually improve beyond your old system, you're not going to invest the time and effort.

Re: You aren't refusing to change (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746579)

When I browse the web I do so for information, it is almost exclusively in text form, with occassional pictures and video. Elinks can render images, and videos are best played in a dedicated player.

Text based browsers get rid of all the useless information like CSS. And you can write user scrypts for them in any language you want, with out needing to download an add-on.

Text is the universal interface. Use it.

You learned what??? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746101)

"If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation."

When did Slashdot start accepting submissions from Bizarro Earth? Or in Bizzaro Speak, When did orgDotSlash start rejecting admissions from Normal Earth?

Just use a little common sense (1)

bobthesungeek76036 (2697689) | about a year ago | (#43746119)

> How have you learned to adapt and accept things that are new and different in the world of technology and computers? You just have to be a little smart about it. I usually embrace things that make my life easier. But conscience about safety. It's been years since I've used "pine" because the tablet/smartphone has made email much easier and enjoyable for me. But I'm in no way doing any on-line banking...

Slowly, a little bit at a time (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746121)

There are 2 ways to do new things: jump in head first, or tipping one toe at a time. When I was younger, the first option was my default choice. Now I'm transitioning to the second option. Ex: With Facebook, I created a barebone account, visit it every once in a while. Sometimes even posting. That allows me to be in the "in" with my Facebook contacts without taking up too much of my time. Ex: With Win8, I use my older Win7 machine as my primary machine and my newer Win8 as my secondary one. That allows me to gradually acclimate to the new brave world. Just like eating bad food, eat as fast as you can, or chew a little at a time. The first option makes sense if there is an end to the bad food. If there is no end to it (technology never stops moving forward, for better or for worse), then the second option becomes very very attractive.

Let me be one to say (1, Flamebait)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year ago | (#43746123)

twenty-four years old... keep these kids off my lawn

- let me be one (maybe first right at this second) to say: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaa! nice troll

Uh, no. (4, Funny)

seebs (15766) | about a year ago | (#43746129)

"If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation."

I guess you haven't learned anything, then.

Maybe try again?

Switch Careers (3, Funny)

RajivSLK (398494) | about a year ago | (#43746131)

If you don't have a desire to change and accept the inevitable progression of technology switch careers. I hear the amish are making wonderful fireplaces.

here here ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746159)

Those that embrace the past, learn from it often don;t choose to move on because it's a 'security blanket' for what works and what keeps working for them.

The move to newer, better, faster things is not in everyone's genes. Anyone who has been burned by an upgrade knows the pain that it is to get things working just the way you like it and/or recover from that dreadful data loss. This is a bit of the fear of the unknown.

This is the way a lot of large corporations work and mitigate risk by sticking with the older more stable technologies for longer than most do.

While this is an OK way to proceed, take a look at the technology that is passing you by. There's actually a lot of value in the way things areachitected, choose your steps wisely to optimize your workflow and don't choose new things solely for their newness.

Where the hell did you learn that? (1)

Grashnak (1003791) | about a year ago | (#43746165)

If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation.

In what alternate universe did you encounter alleged humans behaving like this? I don't think that your problem is a fear of technological change,I think your problem is that you're smoking too much dope.

wat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746177)

If you're 24 and you've ever used IRC, then you might be a hipster. Just sayin'.

I'm old enough to be your parent, and I've never used lyx, irc or pine.

Re:wat? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746339)

IRC was still popular in gaming circles less than 10 years ago.

Why adopt the new if the old works just fine? (4, Insightful)

Wee (17189) | about a year ago | (#43746179)

I use pine (well, alpine) daily. I'm typing this with an IBM Model M keyboard made in 1988, hooked up to an old, re-purposed Dell with parts from all sorts of sources. I don't keep a lot of xterms open, but I do love xfce's tabbed Terminal Emulator app. I still use things like job control and screen, even though I could have 100 ssh sessions going if I wanted to. When I need to make some quick-and-dirty HTML, I probably use tables more often than not. I still look at usenet. I write (gasp!) perl scripts from time to time.

So why use all those "old" things? Because they work. Why not switch to something new, or stop using screen when I can hit shift+ctrl+t and get a new session? Because there's no compelling reason not to use screen. It still works. Sure, you don't see things like rlogin, rsh and (maybe) ftp anymore, because those things no longer work sufficiently well. Why don't I bother with things like a "semantic desktop" that can sync all manner of social media and such right there in my WM? There's no compelling reason to do so. I just don't have a need for any of that. Why not carry a tablet around? Because a laptop is far mroe flexible for my needs. It still works for me, and that's my primary concern.

But the bottom line is this: If it's ugly and it works, it's not ugly. Keep your eyes out for new stuff, but just keep using what both appeals to and works for you.

-B

I fear ... (1)

Sla$hPot (1189603) | about a year ago | (#43746181)

That XP, IE6 and IE7 will still be around for an other decade o_O

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746187)

"If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation."

So then you haven't learned anything?

Nah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746191)

Most of the new stuff is just eyecandy piggybacking the known systems you already know. And if you are really concerned you can work with industrial systems, usually made up from serial ports and xmodem type of protocols.

Lynx? Luxury! (2)

QilessQi (2044624) | about a year ago | (#43746193)

<yorkshire-accent>
When I was young we had to telnet to port 80 and format the HTML stream in our heads.
</yorkshire-accent>

Re:Lynx? Luxury! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746353)

<yorkshire-accent>

You were lucky! In my day we didn't have the H, or the ML for that matter. The best we could manage was the T, and it was cold too!

And you try and tell the young people of today that ... they won't believe you.

</yorkshire-accent>

Re:Lynx? Luxury! (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43746467)

Luxury! We had to swallow poison before welding girders into a functioning CPU and if we didn't we 'ad to weld them into the antidote too! Uphill both ways!

Re:Lynx? Luxury! (1)

sphealey (2855) | about a year ago | (#43746571)

I was too busy reading the RFC drafts via Gopher to bother with "formatting".

sPh

Re:Lynx? Luxury! (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about a year ago | (#43746575)

Luxury !

In my day I had to whistle into my phone at 1200bps and do the encoding in my head. I can decode audio and video files in real-time now, but decrypting PGP files slows me down a bit...

Paraphrased from Guy M

... throw out the old ... Wha??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746199)

No idea what planet you've been living on (or rock you've been living under), but if anything, most humans prefer to keep the old - not discard it. If that were not the case, then you wouldn't hear so much about people being resistant to change, having a hard time adapting, or being stuck in their ways - and there certainly wouldn't be nearly as many funny-yet-accurate jokes about old people and their familiarity with technology.

Get a reality check before you post more nonsense like this anywhere!

Perhaps we need you as much as the youngsters. (1)

TightByte (5833) | about a year ago | (#43746201)

There's no easy answer to your conundrum. On the one hand, I bet you that even if the statement "there's never been as exciting a time to be alive as now" has always been true (to the extent we can agree that it's a good thing, and not exciting as in that "interesting times" Chinese curse kind of way) it must at least be possible to more acutely feel it these days than ever before. We're literally seeing quantum leaps in just about every avenue of innovation and development.

On the other hand, besides your other fingers, there's the issue, so seldom pondered, of whether every step forward is really a step in the right direction. I'm not sure that came out right, as I'm not about to argue in favour of being a Luddite, but for quite some time now, it has seemed to me as though people felt that progress was something that was happening to them, not something they were themselves driving. (Perhaps that's just telling of the kind of people I've been around, but even so, I'm making a point here). Now clearly unless you're in the top tier and at the very forefront of the cutting edge, you'll probably be able to relate, or at least know someone who can, whenever you hear something uttered along the lines of this: "I don't know why they're changing all this, the old system was working just fine." In some cases, the people saying that just have trouble letting go. In other cases, they're perfectly right.

Yeah, no, I don't have an answer for you. It troubles me greatly that the very definition of progress is advancement, and our tendency to narrow things down leads us to see that as linear progression along a vector that we've tagged as "good" or "beneficial", when in fact there are times when it feels like the next-gen implementation of what was once a great idea feels for all the world as though it's really a step back. And sometimes, the reason it feels that way is because it is.

I like the topic, but the author's dumb (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43746207)

A 24 year old thinks he's an old timer on the internet because he likes text-based tech? Moronic.

However, the bigger question of "fear of technological change?" That's one for business everywhere -- Especially the media industries.

You're 24?!! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746209)

At 24 you're over the hill. If you haven't sold your first app at 12, and made $1m by 15, forget it, boy - you're a failure.

Girls (4, Funny)

egcagrac0 (1410377) | about a year ago | (#43746217)

How have you learned to adapt and accept things that are new and different in the world of technology and computers?

The girls I talk to want the new features. If I want to keep talking to the girls, I stay reasonably current on features.

If you want to, you can replace "girls" with "users", "customers", etc. Really, though, this is nothing new, since about Windows 95 and AOL.

you tell them i'm twice your age (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746231)

you tell them! i am on a pdp-11 terminal and i have to run my data stream trough a translation code that puts everything into lower case so that slashdot's filter doesn't tel me that im yelling or somethng- so iguess i'm whispering now? i have 12k of ram and a hole kilobyte of disk space. my factorite game is star trek in basic. I don't have any spiel chk ither. my power bill is about $1,000/ mo for the computer and ac. sometimes - aside from marketing hybole - technology imporovments are a good thing, sonny.

Man up, Nancy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746233)

and stop being a little bitch.

Use it, but build on the knowledge that you have (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746235)

Many new technologies are mostly old wine in new skins. Your knowledge of the old school way is not obsolete, unless you refuse to apply your knowledge to the new vocabulary. Keep trying new stuff, find ways to make the new technology do what you want it to do. New trends in technology are usually created when a need arises. Find out what that need is. For example, what's the difference between virtualization and the cloud? What is the need that cloud computing tries to satisfy? Look for something impressive (which will inevitably be something that you don't fully understand, otherwise why would you be impressed?) and learn how it's done. This teaches you about the new aspects of the technology and it should be easy for you because you don't need to learn everything from scratch.

Separate Hobby from Professional Goals (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746249)

My advise is to keep your hobbyist goals (idealism) separate from your professional goals. In other words, do not limit yourself to what you are comfortable with.

Car analogy: I have a buddy who is a mechanic at the Lincoln dealership. He is certified to work on the latest twin-turbo Ecoboost engines that they have been releasing the past few years, but he still drives a carbureted '79 pickup (in awesome shape, by the way), because that is his ideal truck and that with which he is most familiar.

I am the same way with computers: I'm an OpenBSD purist, typing this on a 4:3 Thinkpad with WindowMaker. My cell phone does not do data and has a physical QWERTY keyboard. These are my daily drivers. Yet I am still employable because I have a current RHCE and support both Linux and Win7 devices at work, as well as a plethora of tablets and smartphones. I keep a small Scientific Linux/Fedora "cluster" around so that I can maintain my RHCE credentials and prepare for EL7, and I take full advantage of my company's "Microsoft discount" to keep the latest Windows Server / Exchange / Windows 8 on virtual machines to play with even though I loathe the OS.

umm (2)

buddyglass (925859) | about a year ago | (#43746259)

Keep using what whatever tech you want to use and stop obsessing over what you "should" be using. If a compelling reason to start using something new develops then...start using something new. This isn't rocket science.

I didn't, but it worked out. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746261)

The thing is, these new fancy technologies you speak of are layers on top of old, and old-school thinking will remain relevant, because it's necessary to some degree.

In my case, I like cheap underpowered machines because they're cheaper and more rewarding to tinker with with less risk. I don't know shit about fancy new buzz technologies, but have a solid career in C, C++, Unix, Linux, embedded development and some amount of electrical design work.

C programmers and firmware people will be in-demand for a very long time to come. I have very little competition from new college/university grads, because they don't teach the stuff that I know any more, and it is still important. Few young grads can write makefiles, C macros, or work in complex cross-development environments using Linux or some RTOS. Someone, somewhere will always have to write interface code and middleware, and that's not going to be done by people who have only ever known app development and Java.

Don't worry too much. Just focus on what you're good at and specialize at something that will always be in-demand.

Your experience is contrary to mine (4, Insightful)

melchoir55 (218842) | about a year ago | (#43746269)

" If there is anything I have learned, it is that most humans have a desire to throw out the old and accept the new without any sort of hesitation"

The above quote is in stark contrast to my own experience in life. I'm not much older than you (29) and I have found that people often require extremely powerful motivators in order to accept "the new" otherwise known as "change". There are different personalities of course, but the personality "I want to learn it once and be an expert forever" is pretty common in my own workplace. A lot of people don't push themselves to learn. I don't mean outside the workplace, either. I just mean learning the proprietary in-house tech we have. Folks learn it as much as they absolutely need to then kind of check out when it comes to the more in depth stuff. Not all people of course, but not an insignificant part of the population either.

Other examples abound. How many 60 year olds were texting a decade ago? It certainly isn't that they are too stupid, because a lot of them do it now. Old people are just as smart (smarter?) as young people with the unfortunate disadvantage of poor reaction time. It's that they had methods of approaching the world which were well worn and change is scary.

The tech crowd is not plagued with the "change is scary" mantra to the same degree as other crowds. I've found that it accepts change faster than most other demographics I've been a part of.

Your old school is new school to embedded (4, Insightful)

Garion911 (10618) | about a year ago | (#43746281)

If you're into programming, think about moving into the embedded. I work for an embedded company, and I recently got the company to realize that remote gdb works pretty well.

When your connection is only over ssh, telnet, or *gasp* serial, your old school will be very handy.

Keep adapting... (3, Interesting)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about a year ago | (#43746297)

Me. I'm "old school", I manage, architect, support storage subsystems...

Parallel SCSI ... done that...
ESCON then FICON... yep.
NFS/SMB... yep
SSA (IBM's Serial Storage Architecture) yep.
Tape... LTO is "new" compared to the stuff I've done.
FibreChannel.. now FC over Ethernet... yep...
Object Storage... yep
Hadoop/MapR... here today...

I still manage and architect storage environments for customers...

I just adapted to what was coming... the requirements for my clients or employers didn't change. They wanted high performance, easy to manage, cheaper than the previous solution and most of all reliable..

Just keep adapting, keep educating yourself on what is here today and what various vendors are working on... All this server virtualization that people are deploying now... nothing new... I did LPARs on mainframes in the 90s. Dumb terminals... The "cloud" today is nothing more than a 1000 cheap x86 servers with software running over them to enable you to dynamically configure VMs on the fly. I did that with OS/360 years ago on a Parallel Sysplex on the mainframe. Concepts are the same, implementation is different. Requirements haven't changed that much.

Don't be afraid to evolve. Keeps you young, interesting and relevant. Plus you can apply all that you've learned to what's coming...

Not "Oldschool" just a hipster! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746299)

Is this a real post? You think you're old school because you use pine lynx and the command line? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? The fact that you call yourself "oldschool" belies the truth that you want and need someone to think that for some sort of self identification or satisfaction. You're not "oldschool", you're just a hipster. You're the same kind of person who chose their own nickname in highschool. One kid tried to get called "blade"; the rest of the school decided it was fair to just insult him and call him "butterknife".
So no, you're not oldschool. You're a techno hipster who needs to find some other way to define him/herself than they tech you use.
Oldschool is a typewriter. Which would be better for us if you used one so you wouldn't get your bull posted on the internet it can't connect to.
  Who put this on the page anyway?

Re:Not "Oldschool" just a hipster! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746385)

Who put this on the page anyway?

TROLL IN THE DUNGEON!!!

Thought you ought to know...

/me passes out

wtf (1)

M0j0_j0j0 (1250800) | about a year ago | (#43746305)

This is the most ridiculous post i read in a long time, you are a fucking hipster, no more, no less.

Don't worry (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | about a year ago | (#43746317)

Don't worry. In 30 years, you'll have been replaced by a robot. It will happily deal with all the technology worries, while a T-800 will have dealt with all of yours.

Kiddo (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about a year ago | (#43746329)

When the geezers yell "get the hell of ma lawn!", they are shouting AT YOU. NOW GIT.

What the hell is "Web 3.0"? (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43746341)

I thought the web has already been upgraded to HTML 3.2, hasn't it?

How to fit in with the Hip Technofascists (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | about a year ago | (#43746343)

1. Pick a Tablet (I suggest notApple unless you need Apple for work... well, or if you are rich and don't mind being a wastrel.)

2. Make sure the tablet has the following things:
Mini-HDMI Out (For when you have access to a decent sized monitor.)
Ability to connect Bluetooth Keyboard and Mouse
BSSH
Ghost commander
Remote Desktop
Wifi
Some kind of case that doubles as a stand
bigger bag to carry tablet and accessories

3. Suggest buying 16gb and rigging up personal server for external storage.

4. Buy the tablet

5. set up tablet screen with stand, connect bluetooth keyboard and mouse, BSSH to linux box. (Or remote desktop, depending).

6. Use use Lynx, IRC, Pine.

You are now the coolest kid on your block.

Been there, done that (1)

MpVpRb (1423381) | about a year ago | (#43746357)

Approaching 60

I have seen many technologies come and go

I look at something new and ask, can I use it? do I need it?

If so, I learn it or buy it

If not, I ignore it

...Haven't found a need for a smartphone yet

Re:Been there, done that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746547)

Also approaching 60. got a smart phone, not the latest and greatest, to see if there might be a good use for it. Find it makes a nice little music player, handy to store things to take to friend's computers, and found several very nice games that I can while away some time on. Put a 32G micro SD card in it to backup a few important things as well. Oh yeah, it works as a phone, too. All that smartphone, social network stuff? Never go near it. Actually talk to people over fences and at the coffee shop. That works.

Good for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746375)

All those things you mentioned (web 3.0, tablets, etc.), those are things that from an IT prospective are regressive. They are just inefficient. Now I am sure you could do some neat network vizulizations, that are interactive and convieniant, however I am pretty sure no one does this, and I am pretty sure a scrypt could get you the information faster.

Pragmatism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746377)

You're not afraid of technological change, you're a pragmatist.

Technology has become about fashion--chiclet keys, the latest display resolution (1080p is so last decade, now its 4K), and ultra cool apps. You're just ignoring the fashion trends and sticking with what works. People will still use text consoles for the next several decades, long after today's apps are forgotten.

Re:Pragmatism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746551)

This true. Ask any electrical/embedded shop about how frustrating it is that serial ports have vanished from workstations and engineering laptops. We still need those serial ports to do our jobs!

You are soooo new school! (5, Funny)

multiben (1916126) | about a year ago | (#43746379)

I am so much cooler than you. I am currently typing this email by manually creating punch cards which are hooked to a morse code machine which then relays the electrical signals into a decoder I built from weet-bix and leeches and straight into the copper cables which connect my phone.

100+ year old technology keeps 'em off. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746395)

You shoot them with a black powder firearm and you bury them with a shovel.

you FAIL it!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746435)

need to scream that play area Try not clothes or be a pape8 Towels, perspective, the watershed essay,

Give it a try (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746451)

Have a taste of the new technology. Grab Windows 8.1 when it comes out and try to make it a home and swim in its waters. Use open-mindedly Windows Mail, PowerShell, Visual Studio and all the jazz. Or go with Ubuntu 13.04 with Thunderbird, Firefox, Unity. Hell, if you have the money, become a Mac fanboy. Then after a couple of weeks or months, compare the experience with what you had and, decide what you liked and what you didn't.

cain't keep the kids off your lawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746461)

After much thought and research, I've found that I cain't keep the kids of my lawn. All the really effective methods are either clearly against the law, think shotgun with rock salt, or too much of an insurance liability, think low clothesline wires and blind ah-ha' or small retaining walls. Very effective but once someone gets hurt they'll come back at you with a whole mess of lawsuits.

Only thing that keeps the blood pressure down is to wall the rest of the world out and deny it exists.

An obvious troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746463)

...slowly fading away and a new world of Windows 8, Web 3.0... ...Like many Slashdot users (I am sure you know who you are), I do not accept the new as easily as I probably should.

hmmmmm. me thinks we smells a troll

You're probably just a dumbass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746525)

You're not "old school," you're a dumbass.

It's one thing to hold onto (and be familiar with) the use of old tools that can get you out of a jam, it's another to be so retardedly regressive that you actively avoid better tools simply because they're "new." It'd be like a contractor today insisting on going out to chop down every tree and surface his own lumber to build every house, and doing it all with hand tools from circa 1856 - and doing it not because the tools are better, but doing it because the tools are "old, and therefore make me feel cool."

There's a phrase to describe people like that, it's "artisanal hipster douchebag."

Lynx? Seriously? You're really burning lean tissue trying to invent new ways to waste your time accessing graphical information that could be trivially displayed in any browser made in the last 15 years? Grow the fuck up. If you're a command line user, and occasionally use curl or similar to grab a file or test something, that's fine. If Lynx is, in your opinion, "the best of the web," then that's only because you're actively avoiding accessing something like 50+% of the web by insisting on a text-based interface.

Pine? I used it in college in the early 90's, and it sucked then - I suspect it's not much better now.

IRC? This is the one thing I'd say could still have a useful and current use as a 'free/easy' chat/support type of tool, especially if you work with a distributed group of people. But even still... there's plenty of software that does the same thing with richer sharing tools built right in.

Hipster (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746531)

Or at least so reverse-hipster it's wrapped right round to being douchey again.

You don't need to modernise, you need to grow up.

Old school, or ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746559)

... technological version of a hipster? 24 years old, and you grew up with lynx? When did you first use a browser, when you were 3? No offense, but you sound more like a conrarion for the sake of being a contrarion, but if I'm wrong, if the tech works for you, keep at it.

Lynx? Pine? They were never mainstream! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43746563)

You're looking back at and holding onto an idealized 'old school' that never was.

Us geeky engineers didn't use the old school tools because they were awesome, we used them because it's what would work with the technology of the time. 33Mhz CPUs with 1MB of memory. 40MB hard drives. 2400bps (bits per second!) modems.

Lynx, Pine, and IRC have never been mainstream. They were used by early adopters before the web 1.0 exploded in the early 90's and mainstream folk picked up the graphical web browser (Netscape, etc), gui email (outlook, eudora, etc), and the many web based chat services (AIM, Yahoo, etc). Today, the PC centric apps are being replaced by mobile computers versions.

Today, those tools survive in various sized niches, used by engineers who work on the unix innards behind the web (one could argue IRC has gained a wider audience and is somewhat mainstream, and as a useful communication channel it will continue). In the webscale data center, those tools are obsolete. I used to log onto a server and use pine to read automated admin emails, and lynx to grab patches to apply. You can't do that for hundreds or thousands of machines, automated data center tools now exist to do that.

Consoles have their place, but I'm not going to give up Eclipse's gui based debugging and code completion and go back to dbg and vi. I can be so much more productive using today's tools.

If you try to hold onto the past, you'll fall out of sync with what the rest of the world is doing. The future is fun! What are we going to build with all this new stuff? It's up to you to find out, and to build it!

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