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Apple Mobile Devices Cleared For Use On US Military Networks

timothy posted about a year ago | from the siri-what's-the-best-way-to-launch-a-nuclear-missile? dept.

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puddingebola writes with this excerpt from a Bloomberg report: "The Pentagon cleared Apple Inc. (AAPL) devices for use on its networks, setting the stage for the maker of iPhones and iPads to compete with Samsung Electronics Co. and BlackBerry for military sales. The Defense Department said in a statement [Friday] that it has approved the use of Cupertino, California-based Apple's products running a version of the iOS 6 mobile platform. The decision eventually may spur a three-way fight for a market long dominated by Waterloo, Ontario-based BlackBerry.'" Also, Apple devices are best for uploading viruses to alien craft.

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Blackberry's survival (5, Insightful)

Daniel Benoy (2927131) | about a year ago | (#43769821)

I've long considered this to be the reason why Blackberry has been profitable. This sort of deal is a very juicy plum, and I've always had my doubts about the strength of Blackberry's phones. Another thing that may have contributed to blackberry's survival is its monopoly on BBM, but soon that will be ending as well.

Re:Blackberry's survival (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769831)

Blacks don't think anything is their fault. Having more of themselves in prison than college at any given time is magically not their fault. Black kids that study and try to learn and do good in school to get ahead are beaten up. Did you think it was racist white kids doing that to then? Noooo... It's mainstream black kids. They beat up the black kids who study because they're "acting white". But somehow, that isn't their fault.

The crack epidemic in the 80s affected mostly blacks. Why? Because racist whites held guns to their heads and forced them to smoke crack? Nooo.... Because of their decisions to use crack. That they made. More than anybody else did. But somehow, that isn't their fault.

Black women disproportionally get most abortions. They disproportionally get knocked up out of wedlock and have kids they can't afford. If they thought abortion was expensive, just think about what it costs to raise a child. If they thought abortion was cheap, compare what birth control would have cost. Did racist whites hold guns to their heads and force them to copulate and get inseminated? Noooo.... But somehow, that isn't their fault.

Black fathers disproportionally abandon their children, leaving them as bastards raised by single mothers. Even though this causes all sorts of probelms, making the kids more likely to go to jail, to not go to college, to do drugs and alcohol, to be criminals, all sorts of shit. Did racist white people hold guns to these "father's" heads and make them abandon their children? Noooo... But somehow, that isn't their fault.

But if you don't like kneegrowz and OBJECTIVELY EVALUATE WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY DO and then draw YOUR OWN conclusions... somehow, that's YOUR fault. Do Liberals ever run out of lame excuses for the failings of this burdensome race of civilization destroying underachievers?

Re:Blackberry's survival (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769917)

dafuq did I just read?!?!

redundancy is ok (1)

noh8rz10 (2716597) | about a year ago | (#43774981)

so bb, goog, and ios are all approved? in the short term, there will be a department of redundant phone platforms department that will waste a lot of money. in the long term, having competitors in the mix will be good for the military and cheaper.

so what does IOS 6 military have over (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43769835)

so what does IOS 6 military have over the main IOS?

Can you side load easily with it?

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769873)

They include real paper maps in the packaging.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769881)

Would the military even want that feature? It seems to me that it just opens up more potential methods of exploiting the devices or putting a back-door in place. If anything, one would think that they would have more security features and restrictive access put in place.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769915)

Would the military even want that feature?
 
Because there's a whole shit-ton of retards on here that don't understand how development and distribution happen in Appleland (or Googleland, or Microsoftland) but feel free to make shit up to justify whatever shit they got in their pocket. It's called fanboism and it's ugly as fuck.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (2)

kthreadd (1558445) | about a year ago | (#43771621)

Yes, enterprise customers can side load apps on iOS.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (5, Funny)

click2005 (921437) | about a year ago | (#43769907)

It comes with drone control & angry osama apps.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (1)

Nerdfest (867930) | about a year ago | (#43769931)

I think it disables the radios.

Enterprises could always side load ... (4, Informative)

perpenso (1613749) | about a year ago | (#43769981)

Can you side load easily with it?

Enterprises could always "side load" (bypass the Apple App Store) their own apps on their own devices.

iOS 6 is most likely specified simply because its the current version. To keep things simple. Want onto the network, then be running the current os version. That and the internal developers needs a min iOS target.

Re:Enterprises could always side load ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771453)

Enterprises could always "side load" (bypass the Apple App Store) their own apps on their own devices.

Only on payment of an annual Enterprise certificate fee.

Remember, it's not your device. Apple just deign to allow you to use it for a time.

Re:Enterprises could always side load ... (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43774035)

I'm pretty sure the US government can pay the $299/yr fee.

Re:Enterprises could always side load ... (1)

PhxBlue (562201) | about a year ago | (#43773775)

Close. I think the specification is in there specifically to create a standard. I.e., iOS 7 won't be allowed on DOD networks until the designated approval authority has tested and approved it.

Re:Enterprises could always side load ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43775275)

iOS 6 is most likely specified simply because its the current version. To keep things simple. Want onto the network, then be running the current os version. That and the internal developers needs a min iOS target.

By specifying one OS version, they only have to do exhaustive security qualifications once.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770017)

80% less backdoors.

Re:so what does IOS 6 military have over (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43771873)

if the shit hits the fan in dirkadirkastan you can just open the "there is no cow level" app and you instantly win

Turn your rounded corner key, sir! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769861)

"We have a go for ICBM strike to impact 30 miles west of Moscow."

"This should compensate enough, right?"

Re:Turn your rounded corner key, sir! (5, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | about a year ago | (#43771225)

God damn it Siri, I said Call Luke Mostow not Nuke Moscow!

Re:Turn your rounded corner key, sir! (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43771887)

"ahh fuck stupid spinning beach ball of death"

"just post the launch codes on facebook... hackers can launch the missiles for us"

Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769893)

Translation: Using a custom version of iOS theyre reasonably sure theres no backdoors they dont have access too.

Will this matter once somebody make an easy to use PGP--like app for phones that encrypts outgoing voice, decrypts incoming voice?
Almost everyone will have access to military level secure communications that renders interception useless. This obviously excludes
devices that have interception capabilities built-in.

Re:Wow... (1)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43771905)

"ahh the ol' phone in brick with rounded corners trick"

Phase 2 Complete (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a year ago | (#43769899)

Plan: Skynet Expansion right on schedule.

Re:Phase 2 Complete (1, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43770027)

With iOS? Good luck with that.

Daylight Savings Time and whammo! No Skynet.

whats that on your website soldier (4, Funny)

decora (1710862) | about a year ago | (#43769929)

"a peace symbol sir"

a peace symbol? but dont you sell to the military?

"yes sir"

what are you trying to say soldier?

"something about the duality of man sir"

Re:whats that on your website soldier (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year ago | (#43770255)

What's your major malfunction numbnuts, didn't your mommy and daddy love you enough?

Re:whats that on your website soldier (-1, Flamebait)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about a year ago | (#43770343)

I was thinking more of the association between Apple products and homosexuals, myself. I mean, if you're going to have gay soldiers, they absolutely have to carry iPhones.

(It's a joke people...)

Re:whats that on your website soldier (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43773075)

"I hate niggers and wish they'd all die! -- It's a joke people!"

"I wish all them faggots would catch HIV! -- It's a joke people!"

"We should nuke them fucking fairy jews! -- It's a joke people!"

Pro tips:
1) If you have to explain to people that it was a joke, it wasn't a very good one.
2) Saying something hateful, then claiming you were "just joking," is about the most toothless, cowardly way of sharing your prejudices. If you feel the need to hate someone, be man enough to express it and own the consequences, without trying to deflect responsibility for it, Nancy.

Re:whats that on your website soldier (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | about a year ago | (#43778251)

Let me get this straight--you're comparing using iPhones with murder, death, and disease? You must be the biggest Apple-Hater in the world. I mean, I may not be a big fan of iPhones, but I certainly wouldn't compare owning one to having HIV.

You see, this is why we have to tell you when it is intended to be humorous. Because otherwise you go off the deep-end.

Re:whats that on your website soldier (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about a year ago | (#43771161)

Soldiers don't sell to the military. They ARE the military. Jeez, people are dumb these days.

Re:whats that on your website soldier (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43774021)

There's a peace symbol on Apple's website? Where?

back in the day (1)

decora (1710862) | about a year ago | (#43777831)

when Steve Jobs was CEO, there was. i cant remember exactly which section, but i remember it. might have been the 'student' section.

Samsung? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43769947)

networks, setting the stage for the maker of iPhones and iPads to compete with Samsung Electronics Co. and BlackBerry for military sales

How did Samsung even get there?

American Manufacture (0)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#43770171)

How did Samsung even get there?

Ironically while Apple executives laugh at the president at the suggestion of iphone manufacture in the states, Samsung make their chips in the US. Really its a mystery why Apple is being considered at all they are as anti American as they come. If I was cynical I would suggest its part of the deal to bring back the some imac mini manufacturing to the states...although we have seen very little actual manufacture as yet.

Re:American Manufacture (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#43771649)

Ironically while Apple executives laugh at the president at the suggestion of iphone manufacture in the states, Samsung make their chips in the US. Really its a mystery why Apple is being considered at all they are as anti American as they come. If I was cynical I would suggest its part of the deal to bring back the some imac mini manufacturing to the states...although we have seen very little actual manufacture as yet.

I know Americans have poor geography skills, but last I checked, Austin, TX, was in the US [theregister.co.uk] . And then Samsung spent $4b [theregister.co.uk] upgrading it.

But continue your hater-ade. And Samsung still supplies the A6 processors to Apple. And for final irony, The SGS4. Uses the US-made Exynos processor OUTSIDE NORTH AMERICA. And uses the TSMC-fabbed Qualcomm Snapdragon INSIDE North America.

Re:American Manufacture (2)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year ago | (#43771979)

So what you're saying is that both have their CPU manufactured in the USA, both have the physical device manufactured in the east, and only one has tens of thousands employed in the states designing the thing. Notably that same one has already begun moving production of various of their product lines to the US too.

Re:American Manufacture (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43772575)

Your post makes no sense. It is nonsensical shit. This is not an ad hominem. While I assume you're at minimum a good carbon sink, your post is utter nonsense.

You're not cynical. You're a mental man!

Re:Samsung? (1)

Stupendoussteve (891822) | about a year ago | (#43771071)

Most likely due to Samsung Knox [samsung.com] .

Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (1)

erroneus (253617) | about a year ago | (#43769995)

This represents a serious change in Apple's direction. They have avoided the business/enterprise market because they haven't been interested in competing in other, existing markets and certainly never wanted to be held to the same standards as the likes of Dell. But now the government/military market? This is a long way from trying to tie everything together with iTunes.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (5, Informative)

gnasher719 (869701) | about a year ago | (#43769999)

This represents a serious change in Apple's direction. They have avoided the business/enterprise market because they haven't been interested in competing in other, existing markets and certainly never wanted to be held to the same standards as the likes of Dell. But now the government/military market? This is a long way from trying to tie everything together with iTunes.

As mentioned before, you could for many years now buy an "Enterprise" developer license, which allows you to make your apps available to any unmodified iOS device without going through Apple's app store. (The license requires you to make sure that apps will _only_ be downloaded to devices belonging to that enterprise). So this license is specifically for enterprises who want to develop apps for their employees.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43770035)

You got the money, honey - I've got the time.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (0)

the_B0fh (208483) | about a year ago | (#43770967)

You really think the DoD is telling Apple - come on, bring some manufacturing back to USA, and we will list your phone as one of the approved phones!!!

You're a bigger moron than I thought possible.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771027)

Apple's stock is tanking, and WWDC will show if they have anything cool up their sleeve. If they don't have a blockbuster new device, they are going to start hurting come the next quarter stock reports.

So, it is not surprising that they are going for government and the enterprise now that the consumer market is saturated.

They are going to have a lot of luck. Android has yet to have Exchange support (and if it does, the device lies about encryption.)

iOS also has an OTA provisioning mechanism as well for profiles.

I won't be surprised to see the XServe making a reappearance sooner or later.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (2)

Swampash (1131503) | about a year ago | (#43771305)

Apple's stock is tanking

Yeah, it must really suck being the most VALUABLE TECHNOLOGY COMPANY ON EARTH.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (0)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | about a year ago | (#43771491)

Let me connect some dots for you, fanboi:

Stock price is an indicator of how much a company is expanding.

In American capitalism, the only metric that is deemed to matter in determining a firm's value is its growth.

By this metric, Apple is currently a failure. Next quarter, it might not be.

Re: Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43772155)

Just out of interest, do you actually believe any of that or do just dream that there are people out there who are dumb enough to take your fud seriously? just curious that's all ;)

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (1)

Americano (920576) | about a year ago | (#43773097)

There's these stocks known as Blue Chips. You might want to read up on them.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43774075)

Stock price is an indicator of how much a company is expanding.

No, only it's financial results that tell you that. Stock price variations tell you nothing more than investor sentiment.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#43773147)

They did this for Mac OS X back in 10.5 when they got their official UNIX stamp. Not surprising that they would go after an organization that literally prints money to spend on stuff.

Re:Surprising Apple wants to play in that market (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43774149)

This represents a serious change in Apple's direction.

This is a Defense Department announcement, not an Apple one. There's nothing to indicate Apple have done anything, other than sell iPhones and enterprise licenses to all comers.

Apple might have done more, but there's no indication here. And there's certainly not any sign of a serious change of direction. Those enterprise licenses for iOS have been around for years, allowing enterprise customers to install their own apps and have control of their iPhones, without going anywhere near the iTunes App Store.

Sure they don't do enterprise servers for OSX any more. But that's a whole different story.

Why are they doing this? (0)

enigmatic (122657) | about a year ago | (#43770081)

So, they have lost of Blackberries today, they work, they are secure and they are proven secure.
(With BB10 they might have to do all the testing over again)

Apparently somehow Samsung and Android have managed to be approved or at least in the running.
And now iPhones running iOS6 have also been approved.

So now, they will spend millions and more of tax payer money, to create a special store with iOS applications,
presumably a special store with Android applications, while still maintaining all of their Blackberry infrastructure.

This adds many levels of complexity for the infrastructure,and the hiring and training of support personal
for all sorts of devices. Why? What benefit does Pentagon bet from maintaing 3 different platforms
instead of one?

The only reason I see for this clusterf. is that vendors have greaser enough hands, to get into this lucrative
market, again leaving our forces to deal with the implications.

Re:Why are they doing this? (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43770135)

So now, they will spend millions and more of tax payer money, to create a special store with iOS applications, presumably a special store with Android applications, while still maintaining all of their Blackberry infrastructure.

Um, what? A Enterprise license [apple.com] will cover this scenario and costs $299/yr. It has been place for years.

It is shortsigted not to (2, Informative)

tuppe666 (904118) | about a year ago | (#43770151)

This adds many levels of complexity for the infrastructure,and the hiring and training of support personal
for all sorts of devices. Why? What benefit does Pentagon bet from maintaing 3 different platforms
instead of one?

Short term its true, long term its simply stupid. Dependence on a single vendor...whoever they are is simply bad for any business. It keeps the vendors honest (massive cost saving), and better supply chain(another cost saving).

Now whether a closed ecosystem like apple should be considered at all is a different matter.

Re:It is shortsigted not to (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43774681)

Actually, you have it other way around. Short term, it's easier to just give everyone the phone that they want (no one's the "bad guy", just add phones as requested). In the long term, it makes sense to consolidate on one vendor with the right legal agreements in place. Otherwise, you're spending a lot of money maintaining redundancy and not necessarily getting a lot for it.

Re:Why are they doing this? (2)

alen (225700) | about a year ago | (#43770437)

the DoD can buy a few Mac's and develop their internal apps for their iphones and droids that will never be able to run on blackberries

Re:Why are they doing this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771629)

BlackBerry 10 phones can run many Android apps, either ported and uploaded to BlackBerry World, or sideloaded directly.

Re:Why are they doing this? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43772977)

The Pentagon's had a love/hate relationship with Apple for decades. When I first got there in 1991, one of the politically appointed under-secretaries was a big Mac fan, so that entire directorate, several hundred employees, was outfitted with Macs and we integrated it with the network all while trying to come up to speed on Apple products. When his term was up, the next guy came in and wanted Windows machines.. so out with the Macs, in with the Gateways. It should be easier this time around.

Re:Why are they doing this? (1)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year ago | (#43771993)

Because they're quite intelligently, avoiding getting stuck in a dead end. Wonder why businesses end up in the modern age with websites that only work on IE6? That's because they apply your thinking. The DoD are doing exactly the right thing here –making sure that all platforms that will reasonably continue into the future are supported correctly, so that they don't have all their eggs in one basket.

Re:Why are they doing this? (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#43773179)

Or, they will do what enterprises across the world are doing - open up a secure way for Android (via Touchdown, but some devices do whole-device encryption to a standard that counts now) and iOS to collect mail / contacts / calendars through MDM profiles, and when everyone switches away from Blackberry, shut down their BES environment and count the savings.

We did that last year in this here Fortune-20 company. The users love it, because they get to use a device they actually like, which they get to go out and choose. The bean counters love it, because we're not paying out the ass for BES and corporate-owned Blackberries that get dropped / crushed / lost. Instead, it's an easy-to-budget stipend to approved users, and a one-time capital cost to stand up the MDM solution, with a small recurring "annual support agreement" expense.

GET READY FOR WORLD WAR FIVE !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770107)

Apple is going doooowwnnnn !!

It is going dooooowwwwnnn to meet its maker !!

In HE!!

My Wish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770143)

My wish, as an Apple device user and a military member, is that DISA would simply fork DoD versions of Linux and Android, have our own software repositories for both and be done with it.

Re:My Wish (4, Interesting)

Gogo0 (877020) | about a year ago | (#43770231)

I was at a conference a few years back (LandWarNet, before it was split into pieces) and the SecDef was making the keynote via VTC and was foaming at the mouth for his new iphone 4. This is all top-driven.

Two-Star General Whoever doesnt want a DoD fork of android, he wants an iphone or regular android issued by his command that he can use for official and personal use (shhh!) without having to spend $100/mo on a personal mobile phone contract.

I have LTCs wasting money on devices they dont want to use (apparently the Slate tablet isnt so hot anymore if you need ethernet and a non-bluetooth keyboard) and pestering me for devices they will have no need for (iphone, android offer few advantages over a BB7 device in regards to phone calls and email) even if they could have them or the limitations didnt make them unappealing.

our tax dollars at work, we are financing people's workplace trendiness. some will say 'so what its an iphone, replacing an existing blackberry device and contract', but its much more. Part of the DISA configuration requirements is a management server. Thats enterprise hardware and a service agreement. There will also be funded training for use of the management server. Not to mention some poor SOB will gain an additional side-duty.

Re:My Wish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771623)

Methinks the iOS devices will be seriously crippled in order to meet security requirements. Not quite what the Apple fans in the military would like to use...

Re:My Wish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43772835)

Um, they already have "enterprise hardware and a service agreement" for BlackBerry already, what is one more? Seriously, look at the expenditures on useless wars and buttering of the arms industry if you want to count costs.

Re:My Wish (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#43773211)

Part of the DISA configuration requirements is a management server. Thats enterprise hardware and a service agreement. There will also be funded training for use of the management server. Not to mention some poor SOB will gain an additional side-duty.

So you dump the BES and use an MDM server that talks to Android, iOS, and Blackberry. There are plenty to choose from.

Gosh, that was hard.

Re:My Wish (1)

Gogo0 (877020) | about a year ago | (#43779291)

the point is that money is being wasted to cater to "important" people's fashion sense.

Macs are de-facto no longer authorized for Army use (no current security baseline, even for a "standalone" system) and *nix is relegeted to the server room. Windows is the only game in town for workstations, yet few have a vocal issue with that (usually just Mac people). So why is there a push for three (BB, Android, and Apple) completely different products and the costs imposed by supporting them as opposed to a single standard that enables mobile computing while simplifying the implementation and lowering the cost? How about whatever apps the army develops or contracts out, now we have three versions that need to be developed and supported.
Why go through all this? Because it has very little to do with enabling anyone, it is trendy and everyone wants their favorite in their pocket.

Had a LTC last week whining about another Battalion's commander having the camera enabled on their blackberry while his was disabled. He wanted it, but couldnt provide any mission-related justification as to why he should have it. This behavior is everywhere, and it wastes far more money, time, and manpower than it should.

Furthermore, while the GSA vegas scandal put the spotlight on government-funded trips, TDY still happens and it costs a lot of money. People /will/ be shipped back to america (i am overseas) for $3500, paid $92 per diem (approximate hawaii rate, including weekends), and their salary for a one-to-two week class that cost the govt $20k+ (for a training vendor) to learn whichever product is chosen to manage all these devices. Compared to the wars its a drop in the bucket, but that kind of money would eliminate the need to sequester/furlough a few people on the payroll, or whatever you like. The govt loves to waste money, and this is yet another example.

Re:My Wish (1)

MachineShedFred (621896) | about a year ago | (#43780061)

Blackberry is on the way down. They may recover, or they may completely implode and go the way of Nortel. Would you rather have support for other certified devices in place before they implode, or have a notoriously inefficient and prone to corruption entity like the Department of Defense rush to slap together something afterward?

It's smart to hedge bets sometimes.

(This post contains forward looking statements that may not come to pass, regarding the implosion of RIM / BlackBerry)

Re:My Wish (1)

david_thornley (598059) | about a year ago | (#43782353)

the point is that money is being wasted to cater to "important" people's fashion sense.

I'm puzzled why you'd put the quotes around "important", and why you attribute all of this to fashion sense. These are important people, and they likely pick their tools and equipment for other reasons than fashion sense.

Had a LTC last week whining about another Battalion's commander having the camera enabled on their blackberry while his was disabled. He wanted it, but couldnt provide any mission-related justification as to why he should have it.

Last I looked, a LTC would often be found commanding a battalion. He therefore commands several hundred men, more than the company I work for. Moreover, if my CEO screws up badly, there goes my bonus, likely next year's raise, the employee share of the health insurance goes up, and my ESPP-purchased stock gets less valuable. If a battalion commander screws up badly, there go dozens of lives. I suspect I know who's more important here. So, why is it that a LTC shouldn't have a camera in his phone? They can be handy in various ways, and that's valuable, even if he can't come up with a specific justification.

Re:My Wish (1)

Gogo0 (877020) | about a year ago | (#43790447)

i use quotes around the word "important" because most (not all) people with a rank above Captain are primadonnas that belive they are far more important in the execution of various things than anyone else. Get ten LTCs in a room together and you'll walk out with ten number one priorities of various actual importance in the grand scheme of things. Their rank is what makes something important, they are trained that way from the beginning of their military career, and most dont differentiate between "random soldier with lesser rank that must obey" and "random civilian of any grade that is allowed to think for themselves".

I should have clarified from the beginning that I am in a strategic (non-combat) environment. The only danger involved is to someone's promotion, which is seen more as a right than something that is earned these days.
Tactical (combat or direct support), its quite different yes, but i have no experience there so i cant comment.

Regarding the camera, DISA provides two "profiles" for the security configuration. The more hardened one has the camera, video recording capability, and other settings locked down. That is the profile we are operating under in my area of the theater. If there is a true requirement for it or use of the camera aides in the accomplishment of some mission, i have no problem flipping the switch, however this was a clear case of commander envy. One guy had a good reason and had the capability, the other guy had neither and was jealous. There must be a level of rigidity in order to maintain a baseline, otherwise eventually there are so many exceptions that they become the baseline. Not a problem if there is a good reason for it, but very often there is not.

Dealing with tedious personality and political crap like that takes my time away from real network defense. Posting on slashdot, too...

Re:My Wish (1)

jbolden (176878) | about a year ago | (#43846825)

The Army in the 1970s tried to impose standards for interoperability. They would create standards and require everyone to implement to their specifications on data formats, on exchange formats on languages on APIs.... It created tremendous technologies, like the internet, but it drove their costs through the roof. Ada is a good example there are only a small number of applications which support Ada and many of them are limited to very specific features. The computer industry is much larger today relative to the size of the military IT and thus American DoD has far less influence.

They don't have enough pull to just go with one standard. They need features from a variety of devices.

Re:My Wish (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | about a year ago | (#43770855)

While all the news and discussion on Slashdot revolves around Apple, there actually IS a fork of Android for DoD and business.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox [samsung.com]

I expect most of the security improvements will also be available for standard Android before too long.

Re:My Wish (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771213)

You mean the same Android that has no disk encryption, lies to Exchange via ActiveSync about security, has no universal policies (GPOs), and can easily be dumped by any box it gets plugged into via ADB or if that is off, MTP?

Android is definitely not ready for the enterprise in any way.

Re:My Wish (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771639)

Are you as dumb as you seem to be?

Read the FFFIng link, you moronic tosser. I mean, who gives a rats ass about your Microsoft crap - they can't even qualify to play in this game!

Cameras (1)

Kunedog (1033226) | about a year ago | (#43770183)

Some may be wondering how this could be possible when almost all Apple devices have built-in cameras. The military employs a skilled third party to remove them completely instead of just disabling them. Here is some of his work (a Mac with the iSight taken out): http://i40.tinypic.com/2yvs9ki.jpg [tinypic.com] .

FIPS? Common Criteria? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770271)

Are we talking about FIPS or a Common Criteria EAL level? Or something else?

Is there any information about the specifics?

STIG has been issued (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770331)

Are we talking about FIPS or a Common Criteria EAL level? Or something else?

Is there any information about the specifics?

To reply to my own question: the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) released a Security Technical Implementation Guide (STIG) for iOS 6:

http://www.disa.mil/News/PressResources/2013/STIG-Apple
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120073

FIPS certification for the crypto module was actually issued earlier this year. STIGs are available at the link below, with BlackBerry 10 S and Samsung Knox currently available, but it looks like iOS 6 hasn't yet been posted at the moment (Sunday, May 19):

http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/

I don't believe iOS has received a Common Criteria rating, which BlackBerry has.

That's fantastic news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770421)

I'm glad the end of "don't ask, don't tell" let's all smartphones serve their country proudly.

hmmm (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#43770531)

US military networks must have an awful lot of RAM and power CPUs then because dropping an Apple bomb on them is quite the system resources burden, lol.

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43773095)

US military networks must have an awful lot of RAM and power CPUs

I don't think you understand what networks are.

Re:hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43773233)

Don't worry, this is where he'll reply about how he's an IT manager somewhere and has shloads of experience with everything, and then spout off a bunch of "facts" that aren't facts at all, and if they ever were true at any point on the timeline of humanity, it hasn't been true for at least 3 years.

He's done it before, especially when it comes to any topic regarding Apple.

This is a mistake (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year ago | (#43770687)

It should be required that ALL of these devices be made in western nations. Otherwise, you can be certain that there will be backdoors in the hardware.

Re:This is a mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43772861)

Sure, but there are a limited number of N9s on the market, and Nokia aren't making any more. Plus, Finland is maybe not as Western as you would prefer?

Re:This is a mistake (1)

WindBourne (631190) | about a year ago | (#43778515)

And motorola android phones.

Blackberry is dead (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43770757)

The sooner they accept this, the better. They had a good run, but they're now the dinosaurs of the cellular market.

One Word .... (0)

TechnoGrl (322690) | about a year ago | (#43770765)

Alpine

chinese manufactured (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771209)

Wouldn't this be yet another avenue for the Chinese government to put in back doors on the chips to shut down the phones or make clandestine connections and report military secrets back to home base? I get suspicious whenever the USA buys chips made outside our country for use in electronics that are used for killing and holding national secrets.

Re: chinese manufactured (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771497)

Apparently Apple is moving major parts of their supply chain to the US. I don't know if the military contracts are the main driver behind it or if they are trying to beat Chinese competition or jumpstart new more integrated hardware designs or what.

Pinch of Death (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43771369)

Pinch of Death vs. BlackBerry Thumb. Fight!
  Pie is guaranteed.

Read (1)

oakleyss (2921641) | about a year ago | (#43771955)

There were lots of reports on the brilliant performance. I like to read

post (1)

oakleyss (2921641) | about a year ago | (#43771989)

As the industrialization is taken into the solid waste management projects, a lot of companies take part into the projects, the management of the projects become more complex.

My considerations (1)

bytesex (112972) | about a year ago | (#43772507)

Apple is going to find out the hard way that 'fast development/aquisition' means something entirely different to Apple than it does to the military. Apple probably thinks that half a year is a long time, while the military thinks that five/ten years is quite average.

Apple is mistaken if it thinks it's going to play a role above level 'Restricted'. Well, unless it's pilots. But pilots get whatever they want anyway.

Re:My considerations (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#43782501)

Apple is going to find out the hard way that 'fast development/aquisition' means something entirely different to Apple than it does to the military. Apple probably thinks that half a year is a long time, while the military thinks that five/ten years is quite average.

Apple releases a new phone and tablet once a year. That's not fast, and in a market like smartphones, it's pretty damn slow when the likes of Samsung are releasing tons of phones daily. Sure they're not all SGS4s, but damn, Samsung makes hundreds of phone models running Android all around.

Even the 3Gs is 4 years old and it runs ios6. Even when ios7 comes out this year, ios6 will still be around for a few holdouts.

Amazing, considering how insecure iOS actually is. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43775337)

Since iOS apps can share each other's data with no way to keep it partitioned, this is just begging for a Wikileaks app to sit there and collect everything...

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