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Military Dolphins Discover 1800s Torpedo

timothy posted about a year and a half ago | from the dolphins-what-can't-they-do? dept.

The Military 112

First time accepted submitter The0retical writes "A couple of mine-sweeping dolphins dredged up what is known as a 'Howell torpedo' dating from 1870 to 1889. Only 50 were ever produced, this being the second example known to exist. The 11-foot-long brass torpedo had a maximum range and speed of 400 yards at 25 knots. The new example will be displayed at Naval Undersea Museum in Keyport, Wash. alongside the only other example."

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Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770033)

...where are the traces of the dolphins they used in the 19th century?

Re:Yes, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770099)

No, but the torpedo was attached to the remains of a shark.

The unwritten story (5, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770055)

What was left unsaid (by the dolphins) was how many times the critters have found 'unintended' things and not told their handlers about it, but instead squirreled it away to their underwater hideout, planning for the eventual overthrow of human kind. They just felt that since this was so old and unusable, there was no harm in telling the Navy guys.

Besides, they were hungry and wanted a snack.

Re:The unwritten story (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770129)

but instead squirreled it away

The squirrels are in on it too? Aww, nuts!
-- posted from my radio tracking collar

Re:The unwritten story (2)

dbIII (701233) | about a year and a half ago | (#43772347)

Moose too Boris.

Re:The unwritten story (1)

happy_place (632005) | about a year and a half ago | (#43772807)

Just more evidence that SpongeBob SquarePants got it right all along (See Sandy Cheeks [wikipedia.org] )

Re:The unwritten story (1)

DiEx-15 (959602) | about a year and a half ago | (#43774715)

Too late.

Squirrels are already suicide attacking power lines here. I can name at least three times where a squirrel took out the power after it killed itself by shorting out a substation.

Why should the US worry about domestic terrorists or Chinese hackers when we already have them in our backyards, literally?

Re:The unwritten story (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43774939)

Of course they are! [illwillpress.com]

Re:The unwritten story (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770185)

"Sqeeeeek sqeAAAAK fffffZZZZZZZZZZZZZt ssssssssERK! click!"

"Now we just need to wait around until we evolve hands, then THEY'RE DONE FOR!"

Re:The unwritten story (2)

NetNinja (469346) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770981)

So long and thanks for all the fish! If I had just one last wish, I would like a tasty fish. :)

Re:The unwritten story (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771005)

What was left unsaid (by the dolphins) was how many times the critters have found 'unintended' things and not told their handlers about it, but instead squirreled it away to their underwater hideout, planning for the eventual overthrow of human kind. They just felt that since this was so old and unusable, there was no harm in telling the Navy guys.

Dolphins have a pretty incredible sexual appetite, so it's entirely possible that a dolphin kept a spare torpedo for anal stretching games.

A more informative article link (5, Informative)

Fluffeh (1273756) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770059)

From the LA times [latimes.com] .

Serious editors, that link is even provided at the bottom of the crappy summary article you folks pointed to - and it is MUCH more in-depth.

Re:A more informative article link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770311)

When they said that nobody reads TFA, they really meant it:
NOBODY reads TFA! Not even the editors.

And if you were wondering why the summaries are so bad... ;)

Re:A more informative article link (4, Insightful)

jonfr (888673) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770677)

You are mistaken, there are no editors on Slashdot.

Re:A more informative article link (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771929)

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Re:A more informative article link (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43772599)

Somebody said that we should get Bucket, Cleverbot, Dante, A.L.I.C.E, ELIZA, Dr. Sbaitso, and all the other chat bots together and make out own site, used, controlled and ruled by chat bots.

But we already have Reddit.

Re:A more informative article link (1)

zipn00b (868192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776373)

Slashdot isn't about TFA - it's about the commentary!
If you're going to read TFA then you don't need slashdot...............

Re:A more informative article link (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770367)

We heard you like summaries, so we summarized your summery.

I guess even the editors are in on the meme.

Re:A more informative article link (5, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770425)

Meant to be launched from above the water or submerged torpedo tubes, the Howell torpedo was made of brass, 11 feet long, driven by a 132-pound flywheel spun to 10,000 rpm before launch. It had a range of 400 yards and a speed of 25 knots.

Clever design. The energy in the flywheel was used for propulsion, but it also created a gyroscopic effect that helped it track in a straight line.

Re:A more informative article link (3, Informative)

adolf (21054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771011)

Perhaps only clever in modern parlance; there was a time where flywheels were very, very common for energy storage. (And no, I don't mean the one between the engine in your car and the transmission.)

That said: It spun at 10k RPM before launch, which also seems mighty nifty for the time until one realizes that the bearings only have to work once...

Re:A more informative article link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771367)

Sounds expensive. I wonder how many contemporary 1800s folk complained about those torpedos like we complain about the cost of fighter jets today :)

Re:A more informative article link (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771539)

Sounds expensive. I wonder how many contemporary 1800s folk complained about those torpedos like we complain about the cost of fighter jets today :)

It was allegedly significantly cheaper than the competitor Whitehead torpedo, which had it's own little engine. The downside of this one was that it was difficult to spin up the flywheel.

Re:A more informative article link (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43773117)

Also significantly faster (25 kts) than Whitehead (7 kts).

Re:A more informative article link (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776121)

See, Honkies can't jump :-)
 

Re:A more informative article link (1)

zipn00b (868192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776421)

Yeah in that time period the torpedoes were typically most effective against stationary targets since they were slower or about the same speed. The faster ones I was looking at info on a while back were typically in the 15 - 18 kt range so that thing would have been a speed demon for the time.
(Part of some "War of the Worlds" research I've done off and on over the past couple decades......)

Re:A more informative article link (2)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770579)

Thanks for that. It's an engineering work of art. Very impressive.

Easier way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770083)

The dolphins themselves follow simple system for alerting the Navy of any found objects. They take a dive and, if they find nothing, touch the back of the boat with their snouts. If they find something, they touch the front of the boat.

yeah know, if they just gave dogs SCUBA gear, the dogs could bark, point, and wag their tails for different things.

Touching the boat with their snouts.

Government!

Re:Easier way. (1)

Dunbal (464142) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770157)

Are you kidding? Dogs would be too busy trying to pee on everything to mark it, and chasing brightly colored fish around, they wouldn't get much work done. Yes I'm a dog owner lol.

Re:Easier way. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770189)

Yes I'm a dog owner lol.

Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.

What happened during your first six experiments to answer this question that wasn't resolved until the seventh? Just wanted higher statistics?

Re:Easier way. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770809)

Dogs would be too busy trying to pee on everything to mark it,

Dolphins pee on everything too, but they're sneakier about it.

Underwater patents. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770121)

Only 50 were made between 1870 and 1889 by a Rhode Island company before a rival copied and surpassed the Howell's capability.

Apparently patents haven't been invented yet.

Re:Underwater patents. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770205)

Only 50 were made between 1870 and 1889 by a Rhode Island company before a rival copied and surpassed the Howell's capability.

Apparently patents haven't been invented yet.

A patent explains how to build whatever you patent. I wouldn't do that with a superior weapon the enemy didn't know how to build.

Re:Underwater patents. (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770253)

Actually IIRC there were several patents in WWII that were given out in secret by the government for tech that the government deemed to much of a risk to allow to be filed publicly, they kept those patents on ice until they were no longer cutting edge military tech and then allowed those that had secretly filed them to profit from those war time inventions. IIRC a lot of them were early computer designs and things to do with computers that they were afraid the Russians would be able to copy after the war.

Re:Underwater patents. (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771343)

There were also a bunch of patents seized by the government, and pulled from the archives
and its not at all clear that the original patent holder was adequately compensated.

In that day this was easy because the there were essentially only a one copy in existence
and the archives hadn't even been microfilmed yet.

Re:Underwater patents. (2)

amorsen (7485) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771915)

There are more than 5000 secret patents in the US today. See Invention Secrecy Act [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Underwater patents. (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771549)

There was a lawsuit, but the other party was across the sea, making it tricky both from a travel standpoint and from a legal standpoint.

Re:Underwater patents. (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775587)

a rival copied and surpassed the Howell's capability.

Apparently patents haven't been invented yet.

It was the capability that is reported as copied and then surpassed, not necessarily the method of achieving that capability.

Say that you have a patent on killing mice using a machine-vision system, servos and an air pistol. Great fine and marvellous ; it kills mice.
I come along and think ... "kill mice", and design a method using squeak detectors per-room and a knee-high-to-a-mouse rotating laser system that chops them off at the patella (and elbow).

Have I violated your patent? The normal phrasing of a patent is "A method to achieve X."

Re:Underwater patents. (1)

oobayly (1056050) | about a year and a half ago | (#43777341)

Have I violated your patent?

In a sane patent system or the one used by the USPTO?

Wait, dolphins? (4, Insightful)

Quinn_Inuit (760445) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770127)

We have mine-sweeping dolphins that actually find stuff? That strikes me as way more important than the torpedo. It's not that the torpedo is unimportant, but we've got one of those already.

Re: Wait, dolphins? (5, Informative)

TheGreenNuke (1612943) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770225)

They operate as part of the US Navy Marine Mammal Program [navy.mil] In the early days of the program, various marine mammal species were considered including: killer whales, pilot whales, belugas (white whales), Steller sea lions, grey seals and fur seals. Other animals were used in various studies pertaining to locating personnel from downed aircraft and creating effective shark deterrents to protect them until they could be rescued.

Re: Wait, dolphins? (1)

funky49 (182835) | about a year and a half ago | (#43772453)

"creating effective shark deterrents"

Just say it... creating effecting shark repellents.

Re: Wait, dolphins? (1)

zipn00b (868192) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776457)

Deterrent is probably a good way of putting it since dolphins typically take advantage of an opportunity to attack a shark. I've seen some stories of divers "rescued" by dolphins in what may have been more of a "Oh look! A SHARK!!! I HATE those things!!" than a "Oh look! A human in trouble! I must rescue them!" situation. And sharks may be just intelligent enough to not want to attempt to attack somebody with a dolphin swimming around them.

Re: Wait, dolphins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43777147)

s/effecting/effective/ retard

Re: Wait, dolphins? (1)

steelfood (895457) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776653)

creating effective shark deterrents

The project failed because they couldn't find an effective way to counter the laser beam.

Re:Wait, dolphins? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770401)

I was surprised to hear this as well. I knew they could train dolphins to do various things, but I thought it was more of a parlor trick and less something genuinely useful could come of it.

Re:Wait, dolphins? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770835)

The Soviet dolphin paratroopers mentioned in an article linked to by this one sound cooler to me though :).

dudes with the other torpedo... (0)

shaitand (626655) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770209)

So pissed. Soooo pissed.

Re:dudes with the other torpedo... (1)

icebike (68054) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771353)

Same dudes.
Both know surviving examples will be kept by the Navy at Keyport.

More Information (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770227)

You can listen to an NPR piece where the dolphin are interviewed. [npr.org]

Dolphin tacos, anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770247)

n/t

I've got one (4, Funny)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770249)

Yeah, I've got a 'Howell torpedo' myself. Banned by the Geneva Convention as a weapon of mass destruction.

Re:I've got one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770329)

Did they also make "Lovee" torpedos?

Re:I've got one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771227)

Banned by the Geneva Convention as a weapon of mass destruction.

Ahh, so that explains the "world's funniest joke" secret files.

Re:I've got one (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43776051)

So they made 22-caliber torpedoes also?

Re:I've got one (1)

gmhowell (26755) | about a year and a half ago | (#43777039)

So they made 22-caliber torpedoes also?

.17 HMR

50 or 2? (0, Troll)

MavEtJu (241979) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770289)

"Only 50 were ever produced, this being the second example known to exist."

If there are 50 produced, then there are 50 known to exist.

Re:50 or 2? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770319)

"Only 50 were ever produced, this being the second example known to exist."

If there are 50 produced, then there are 50 known to exist.

There are 50 known to have existed, but many of them may no longer exist. See, torpedoes occasional blow themselves up, a minor design flaw that means they sometimes stop existing, at least in the form of a torpedo.

Re:50 or 2? (3, Funny)

lxs (131946) | about a year and a half ago | (#43773061)

That's not a bug. It's a feature!

Re:50 or 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770325)

Torpedoes tend to explode. Perhaps the other 48 hit targets and exploded? Or just missed and were lost? If lost, they aren't "known to exist" as they could also have exploded.

Re:50 or 2? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770335)

"Only 50 were ever produced, this being the second example known to exist."

If there are 50 produced, then there are 50 known to exist.

Except for the ones that blew up. Because, you now. Torpedoes.

Re:50 or 2? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770403)

...not in torpedo form.

Re:50 or 2? (1)

danlip (737336) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770787)

Presumably some of them were detonated and therefore known for certain to not exist.

Re:50 or 2? (1)

approachingZero (1365381) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770991)

You are correct, those who try to demonstrate the contrary are in the wrong.

Forget about the torpedo... (1)

Smirker (695167) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770291)

MILITARY DOLPHINS?! :O

Re:Forget about the torpedo... (2)

Deadstick (535032) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770451)

Why, ummm, yes, as far back as Vietnam.

Re:Forget about the torpedo... (3, Funny)

Bazman (4849) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771653)

Why else do you think Dr Evil wanted sharks with frickin' laser beams?

Redundancy (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770303)

Seriously - there are only two in existence, so they're displayed side by side in the same museum?

How wasteful is that? The US Navy has like a dozen museums, scattered all over the country. Why not share the bounty about a bit?

Re:Redundancy (2)

el borak (263323) | about a year and a half ago | (#43773959)

Seriously - there are only two in existence, so they're displayed side by side in the same museum?

The summary makes that claim, but the linked article does not, stating only that it "will likely be displayed in a museum as well."

Re:Redundancy (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775313)

If you were the last of yout kind, would you want to be alone? Oh, wait, that doesn't make sense...

False positives? (5, Insightful)

Kwyj1b0 (2757125) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770389)

The LA times report mentions that another dolphin had alerted them a few days ago, but the operator didn't send anyone to check it out because they didn't expect to find anything. Does the system have a large number of false positives?

Re:False positives? (4, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771545)

I don't read that as indicating any percentage of false positives. The operator was simply looking for something specific, within a definite area. He KNEW that certain items had been deposited within strictly defined areas. Because this item was found outside of those areas, he wasn't interested enough to investigate. Apparently he recorded and reported the "hit" because days later when another "hit" was made, it was investigated.

In effect, "They've found something, but I don't think it's what we're looking for."

Re:False positives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43774203)

Which makes one wonder what they ARE looking for...

Re:False positives? (1)

HKSJoe (247147) | about a year and a half ago | (#43773849)

Not typically. MK7 dolphins are trained to discern a mine-like object from junk on the bottom.

Just for the sake of convenience (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770429)

The new example will be displayed at Naval Undersea Museum in Keyport, Wash. alongside the only other example

Oh good. So if you want to see a Howell Torpedo, you're not going to get confused about where to go. These are definitely the people training dolphins to perform military operations.

"No, ma'am. No dipshit"

.. William Shatner as Kirk in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Re:Just for the sake of convenience (1)

afidel (530433) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771035)

I was kinda thinking the same thing, why not ship this second one off to the naval museum in D.C. so people on the east coast can access one without flying 3,000+ miles?

Dolphins vs Dogs (1)

ATAMAH (578546) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770513)

Reminds me how Ali G was wondering why ATF are using dogs, instead of dolphins, who are much smarter.

Makes no Sense (5, Insightful)

craigminah (1885846) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770629)

So only two are known to exist? Why display them both at the same location? Do people who see one need to see the other or can you share your rare discovery with more than one museum? I'd think having the only two torpedoes of a type at the same location would risk losing them both if something were to happen to that facility (e.g. fire).

Re:Makes no Sense (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771837)

From TFA: "The newly discovered Howell will likely be displayed in a museum as well.". In other words: it will likely not be displayed in the same museum.

Re:Makes no Sense (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year and a half ago | (#43772373)

At a guess the same people that restored the other one can get to work on this one. Restoring stuff that has been underwater for some time to the point where it can safely go on display for years without falling apart is not trivial. For instance a cannon recovered from the sea bed needed a few years in a chemical bath before it could withstand being exposed to air and humidity without the diffused sodium ions within corroding it at a rapid rate.

Dolphins (1)

ChefJeff789 (2020526) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770775)

The article links to several articles about bizarre and creative uses for dolphins. I guess those hours spent playing Red Alert 2 taught me more about reality than just the fact that women named Tanya are hot.

Fucku you wuharu! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43770931)

And FUCKU YOU DORIPHINU!

That sound you hear... (1)

SpectreBlofeld (886224) | about a year and a half ago | (#43770995)

...is the sound of the entire steampunk community collectively jizzing its pants.

Re:That sound you hear... (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771547)

Don't you mean steaming their pants?

Missing H-bomb (3, Interesting)

approachingZero (1365381) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771009)

Maybe these dolphins could be used to locate the the missing Mark 15 nuclear bomb? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_Tybee_Island_mid-air_collision [wikipedia.org]

Re:Missing H-bomb (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771025)

I think the Dolphins already found that one and are keeping it hidden away. Just in case they don't get their fish bonus. The navy better not hold out on them.

Re:Missing H-bomb (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43772743)

On a trip to Savannah last year, as we were passing Tybee Island, I told my wife about this. She had absolutely zero idea that this had ever happened, and couldn't believe that there isn't more being done to find the bomb. Frankly, I'm in the same boat as her, though Charleston would at least be out of the initial blast radius!

Re:Missing H-bomb (1)

Isaac-Lew (623) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775221)

I would think that the detonators would have been long corroded by now, & that a bigger issue would be radiation leaking from the bomb.

Re:Missing H-bomb (1)

jacknifetoaswan (2618987) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775491)

Actually, the entirety of the bomb casing is completely water and airtight, so the detonators would be included within that casing, and would not be susceptible to corrosion, had they been inserted into the casing. The official testimony on this is that the nuclear capsule was not inserted into the bomb itself, thus, it could not be detonated as a nuclear weapon. Of course, if the high explosives were to detonate, it would still be a 'dirty bomb' of sorts.

The most important part of this is that if the bomb were found, a large amount of knowledge could be gleaned about bomb design and warhead miniaturization. The Mark 15 bomb weighs about 7600 pounds, which is small enough that a rogue nation like Iran or North Korea could launch it a great distance with a 1.5 - 3.8 megaton nuclear yield. That's pretty important stuff.

1800s has a specific meaning. (0, Flamebait)

MartinD (7344) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771331)

Saying the 1800s implies a date from 1800 to 1809. You should have said late 19th Century, or at least "from around the 1870s".

Re:1800s has a specific meaning. (3, Insightful)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771431)

The world disagrees with you.

Re:1800s has a specific meaning. (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | about a year and a half ago | (#43773433)

I don't agree. Then again I have disagreements about the term "Next Tuesday" since a co-worker thinks that means this upcoming Tuesday while I believe it means the following-Tuesday (2 Tuesdays from now).

Since 2010... people have been using the term "2000's" to mean 2000 through 2009. Like for Music and such.

But prior to that, I heard (and used) the term 1900s and such to include anything from 1900 to 1999.

So it's probably a regional / preference thing.

Re:1800s has a specific meaning. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43773623)

I don't agree. Then again I have disagreements about the term "Next Tuesday" since a co-worker thinks that means this upcoming Tuesday while I believe it means the following-Tuesday (2 Tuesdays from now).

I generally avoid saying "next Tuesday" at all. But if I tell my dad I'll meet him on Tuesday, he inevitably replies, "Next Tuesday?" No, last Tuesday, Dad.

The GP is the first person I've encountered who thinks "the 1900s" refers to only ten years.

Re:1800s has a specific meaning. (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775193)

It's been my observation that people who tend to read widely and much also tend to have less confusion about a number of conversational conventions because they have a wider exposure to usage that helps them derive meaning from context.

That said, I suppose there may well be regional and age-cohort differences* in expression. FWIW, I've always taken "next Tuesday" to mean whichever Tuesday comes along next. If it's the Tuesday that's after the up-coming Tuesday then it's "the Tuesday after next" or either "A week from Tuesday" or also "A week Tuesday" after the British usage.

*I'm 66, have lived in six states, east, west and central, and overseas as a child, so YMMV. I still read a fair bit.

Re:1800s has a specific meaning. (1)

kermidge (2221646) | about a year and a half ago | (#43775211)

Ooops. Tuesdays belong to AC, below.

I haven't heard 'the 2000s much, mostly 'the oughts'. The convention of 'the 1800s' and 'the 1900s' meaning their respective centuries I've never seen anyone be confused over before now.

My Tax Dollars (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43771515)

This is fucking gay when millions of Americans are starving and are in poverty.

Let's glorify the military more. Fucking insanity. I'm sure those poor starving American children will appreciate tax dollars going to this.

Re:My Tax Dollars (1)

ChrisMaple (607946) | about a year and a half ago | (#43773599)

I'm sure millions of Americans are malnourished, but the number of Americans who are involuntarily undernourished due to the inability to get enough food from their family's money, charity, or government handouts is very small. Literal starvation usually implies someone who is mentally defective, physically injured and isolated (an oldster who has broken a hip and can't reach a phone), or other situations where tax money won't make a bit of difference.

Or are you a member of a community none of whom, yourself included, will help a person in need?

Don't forget the museum in Keypoint (1)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771579)

I highly recommend the Naval Undersea Museum in Keyport, Washington. (Well only if you are into technology) There is a fair bit of history on display there. More than just weapons. http://www.navalunderseamuseum.org/ [navalunderseamuseum.org]

Re:Don't forget the museum in Keypoint (2)

AbrasiveCat (999190) | about a year and a half ago | (#43771589)

I highly recommend the Naval Undersea Museum in Keyport, Washington. (Well only if you are into technology) There is a fair bit of history on display there. More than just weapons. http://www.navalunderseamuseum.org/ [navalunderseamuseum.org]

I forgot, here is write up on the Howell torpedo. http://www.navalunderseamuseum.org/media/6c06204b6731dd48ffff8332ffffe906.pdf [navalunderseamuseum.org]

Re:Don't forget the museum in Keypoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year and a half ago | (#43772209)

If you are in the UK, the various naval museums in Portsmouth are worth a visit too. The submarine one at Gosport (across the water) has a number of interesting items including several submarines. Here is a link to their Whitehead torpedo:

http://www.submarine-museum.co.uk/what-we-have/our-favourite-objects/whitehead-torpedo

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