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NYPD Detective Accused of Hiring Email Hackers

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the why-it's-not-called-the-new-york-privacy-department dept.

Crime 74

An anonymous reader writes "Edwin Vargas, a detective with the New York City Police Department, was arrested on Tuesday for computer hacking crimes. According to the complaint unsealed in Manhattan federal court, between March 2011 and October 2012, Vargas, an NYPD detective assigned to a precinct in the Bronx, hired an e-mail hacking service to obtain log-in credentials, such as the password and username, for certain e-mail accounts. In total, he purchased access to at least 43 personal e-mail accounts belonging to 30 different individuals, including at least 19 who are affiliated with the NYPD."

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74 comments

Wow this outsourcing has put a damper on things. (2)

blackicye (760472) | about a year ago | (#43797651)

$50 - $250 for an NYPD Detective's email login and password? Ack!

Re:Wow this outsourcing has put a damper on things (2)

zlives (2009072) | about a year ago | (#43797835)

wonder what the username and passwords for electrical grid employees are going for...

Re:Wow this outsourcing has put a damper on things (1)

Scutter (18425) | about a year ago | (#43798211)

First initial, last name, password is either their kid's birthday, or their favorite sports team followed by the number "1". I'm guessing fifty cents each.

Re:Wow this outsourcing has put a damper on things (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800079)

Current regulatory requirement make you change the password every so often, so you may have to increment the "1" a few times to get the latest password.

Re:Wow this outsourcing has put a damper on things (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43799925)

Syn-Ack!

These are the people that most citizens depend on (5, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43797653)

When I was hired as a fireman, one of the things my new chief told me was that when you accept that badge, people have a certain level of expectation for trustworthiness, and anything you do - illegal or not - will no longer be reported as "man" or "suspect" in the arena of public opinion, but now it becomes "fireman cut me off on the highway" or "Firefighter acts like a douchebag in grocery store". And then it reflects on all firemen, no matter how unfair that can be.

This cop has just done the entire law enforcement profession a great disservice, but the public trust of law enforcement is wearing thin as it is at this point...

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43797677)

Once again, a woman is to blame. It's usually either that, or money.

The reason for the digital snooping appeared to be personal, law enforcement officials said: Detective Vargas, 42, suspected a former girlfriend — also an employee of the Police Department, an official said — had started a new relationship with a fellow officer.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (5, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43797687)

Once again, a woman is to blame. It's usually either that, or money.

The reason for the digital snooping appeared to be personal, law enforcement officials said: Detective Vargas, 42, suspected a former girlfriend — also an employee of the Police Department, an official said — had started a new relationship with a fellow officer.

So... it's the woman's fault that the pig she dumped turned out to be a stalker?

Wow. Just.... just wow.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

RavenousRhesus (2683045) | about a year ago | (#43797733)

Don't feed the trolls, geez.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43797881)

Don't feed the trolls, geez.

Sadly, I'm fairly certain AC wasn't trolling - he actually believes that shit.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43797783)

All is fair in love and World of Warcraft.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0, Flamebait)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43797793)

>So... it's the woman's fault that the pig she dumped turned out to be a stalker?

I see you're unfamiliar with the tenets of Islam.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#43798243)

TFA said nothing of his religion, and the guy didn't look Arabic. So WTF does the tenets of Islam have to do with it?

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1, Informative)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43798419)

>So WTF does the tenets of Islam have to do with it?

The widespread oppression of women in Islamic societies and families.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#43811189)

This isn't an Islamic country and that wasn't an Islamic family. Islam has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year ago | (#43797851)

My guess, is she ignored the warning signs or had enough self esteem issues. These things typically just "happen" in a vacuum.

This is (one of the reasons) why I tell my daughters that they should be very careful when dating. Because if you sleep with a stalker, they will stalk you.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

hondo77 (324058) | about a year ago | (#43798019)

My guess, is she ignored the warning signs...

Wait. She dumped crazy guy and that's ignoring the warning signs? Huh?

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43802219)

This is (one of the reasons) why I tell my daughters that they should be very careful when dating. Because if you sleep with a stalker, they will stalk you.

Tell your sons the same thing, ferchrissakes!

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about a year ago | (#43804487)

I have no sons, you insensitive clod.

But if I did, I would.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year ago | (#43797967)

I presume he meant that it was "over a woman", as opposed to being her fault. If he meant that, it would make perfect sense. A top reason for a man to act like a moron is his relationship (or lack thereof), with a woman. That would still be his fault, however.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799943)

He is a detective, stalking is his job. Having worked with him, surely she must have know this beforehand...

More seriously, assigning fault isn't a zero-sum game, so multiple people (including the victim) can be at fault without diminishing the level of guilt for any of them. E.g. someone could choose to walk down a poorly lit street in a bad neighborhood drunk and flashing hundred dollar bills, and their mugger would be 100% at fault for the crime, but they would be 100% at fault for placing themself in a predictably dangerous but completely preventable situation.

But I think the GP meant that men often make dumb decisions about women they're attracted to, and wasn't actually referring to this woman in a specific sense (just as he isn't blaming a specific dollar bill by saying "or money"). No need to be a zealot for "don't blame the victim" and put words in someone's mouth. As humans we like to think we have more control over our lives than we actually do, so we commit this fallacy often enough that you can wait to pounce on someone who actually means it. (Assuming you're the first to see it; as with any trite statement taught in grade school, there are plenty of Slashdotters just waiting to beat you to it. Perhaps you should point out how users aren't Google's customers, but the product instead on the next Google article?)

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

phorm (591458) | about a year ago | (#43804887)

YEah. Seems more like
As usual it's a man who couldn't accept that he's not the master of the universe, or cope with the fact that a girl just might not be into him...

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (4, Funny)

SJHillman (1966756) | about a year ago | (#43797723)

Some people claim that there's a woman to blame
But Jimmy knows it's his own damn fault

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43797941)

You, sir, have just won this thread.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43797997)

What is this, Reddit?

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798035)

I like to think of it as a nerdier 4chan, personally.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798217)

Pix or it didn't happen.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799325)

TOGTFO

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

perry64 (1324755) | about a year ago | (#43799551)

It hasn't been Jimmy's fault for a long time... Now it's generally Utley's fault.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43797855)

> Once again, a woman is to blame. It's usually either that, or money.

It's all, all of it, about women. Every male congressman, every president, every mayor, dictator, mafia boss or lackey, all of it.

Even meek scientists are driven by internal desires to excede, tied to alpha male behavior and feathering one's nest.

Even downmods here, of the "I disagree!" butthurt type, are males defending their online social tribal group, subconsciously, you guessed it! Feathering their mental emotional nest to appear more alpha, like some bushman coming proudly back to camp with a warthog on his spear.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43797915)

> Once again, a woman is to blame. It's usually either that, or money.

It's all, all of it, about women. Every male congressman, every president, every mayor, dictator, mafia boss or lackey, all of it.

Even meek scientists are driven by internal desires to excede, tied to alpha male behavior and feathering one's nest.

Even downmods here, of the "I disagree!" butthurt type, are males defending their online social tribal group, subconsciously, you guessed it! Feathering their mental emotional nest to appear more alpha, like some bushman coming proudly back to camp with a warthog on his spear.

So... gay dudes have no motivations?

Public-restroom-foot-tapping-congressmen may disagree (but not publicly, lordy no).

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Macgrrl (762836) | about a year ago | (#43799975)

And on that theme, what's my motivation?

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | about a year ago | (#43800845)

As far as Impy is concerned...staying out of the kitchen?

Now sudo go and make him a sandwich...

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43802725)

Well, were you a public-restroom-foot-tapping-congressmen, I would probably respond with a single word: Penis.

I think I'll refrain from further speculation, as I have a nasty habit of unintentionally offending the ladies-who-love-ladies.

Re: These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Redmancometh (2676319) | about a year ago | (#43798043)

/nod

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798147)

Good reason why the government needs stricter background/personality checks. Also monitoring their employees and keeping them on a short leash would probably help too. Too many cases of police brutality, corrupt judges, and what not that seems to be on a continuous rise.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43799125)

I'm not convinced that increased background checks are the answer. They only seem to give the agency hiring them the ability to claim due dilligence was done. The end result has not been an increase in public perception of the trustworthiness of the law enforcement community, and perhaps it's just the increase in technology making it easier to report nationally on local problems, but it seems that gross abuse of position by cops is much more common than it once was in this country. And that's not including the disconcertingly increased militarization of law enforcement agencies.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Em Adespoton (792954) | about a year ago | (#43803585)

Good reason why the government needs stricter background/personality checks. Also monitoring their employees and keeping them on a short leash would probably help too. Too many cases of police brutality, corrupt judges, and what not that seems to be on a continuous rise.

Actually, I'd guess that government employees are about average with all other employees. More monitoring just means more ways to evade monitoring. Better prescreening and established policy is really what's needed.

As for the continuous rise of police brutality and corrupt judges... I take it you are under the age of 30? Things have been getting continually better over the past 60 years or so; part of that "continually better" is that more of these cases are being reported to the public. Even 30 years ago, a case like this would have been handled by the local precinct, maybe appeared in a local paper (but probably not) and that would have been the end of it. 100 years ago, the entire precinct would have been on the payroll of some local gang boss.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year ago | (#43798161)

"This cop has just done the entire law enforcement profession a great disservice, but the public trust of law enforcement is wearing thin as it is at this point..."
Oh come on, don't be silly. This cop hasn't done anything. The entire law enforcement profession can't be brought any lower in my eyes, because they are all scum. OK, so this cop did do something, he re-enforced a perfectly valid view point.

ACAB.

Now where's my damn, "post without karma bonus" check box?

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#43798767)

OK, so this cop did do something, he re-enforced a perfectly valid view point.

Valid? Ok, so stereotyping is good just as long as it is a negative stereotype about someone you don't like. Got it.

Hate to break it to you, but painting all cops with the same brush is as bad as painting all "hackers" with the same brush or all Chinese people or all ... Yeah, some cops are douchebags. Not all of them are, despite your valid viewpoint otherwise.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43799297)

He does raise an interesting point, though. As bad as the perception of law enforcement has become in the course of their duties, it's not helping matters to be doing these ones outside them.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#43799571)

Your point was that it hurts the perception, and you are quite right.

His point was that you can't hurt the perception because all cops are scum and that this global opinion is "valid". He's wrong. It's doing the same kind of thing that the media does to hackers when some script kiddy pulls a lameass stunt that makes the news, and we'd be right to complain that this was an invalid stereotype.

If you want people to try to differentiate between the script kiddy destructive hacker and what we want to think of ourselves as hackers, you really do need to grant other people the same differentiation when one of "them" does something bad.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43800133)

On this, we agree. However, his impression does fit into a valid sampling of public opinion. Often, public opinion trumps reality when it comes to how well-received public servants and their cut of local, state, and federal budgets are, as well as in policymaking and in cases that reach trial involving, in this case, police officers.

Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of cops, I'm friends with a lot of cops. I was on a sports team made up of over 50% cops. Great bunch of guys. But as long as people's experiences are limited to the ones who pull them over and ruin their day and the ones who make the news with negative events, there will be people who firmly believe all law enforcement officers are the lowest form of human (if they admit to that much) life found on this planet.

So he is incorrect about his view's global scope. However, he is correct that his view is not an uncommon one. It's definitely not a black and white issue, but the grey is getting ever darker it seems.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year ago | (#43800919)

It's simple. In the vast majority of cases, bad cops are protected. By "good" cops. Ergo, the "good" cops aren't.

This guy got done because he went against his team. If he had merely hacked (or paid someone to do so) some outsider's emails, then the NYPD would have slapped him on the wrist, and given him time off (with pay).

We've seen this happen many other times before. Even if a "bad" cop kills someone, the "good" cops all circle the wagons. The fact is, "good" and "bad" when it comes to cops are unnecessary adjectives. Because all cops are bad/bastards.

OK, I'm exaggerating slightly. It's 99% of cops give the rest a bad name. The cops that actually are not bastards either leave, or become bastards.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43815997)

+1

Exactly. Supporting evil is an act of evil.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43815961)

Show me a cop that has never abused his power in any way, has never supported a fellow cop who did abuse his power, and respects everyone's rights and I will show you the flying spaghetti monster.

Cops are dipshits, all of them.

Cops are stupid, all of them.

Cops are the enemy. Don't talk any in any way interact with them, ever.

No, I have never gotten a ticket or been charged or convicted of anything, thanks in advance.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#43798199)

I'm offtopic here (wish the 'no bonus' buttons worked), but I just wanted to say that you fellows have my thanks. IMO you're the most important of all city employees, and I say that as the son of a retired lineman that worked for CWLP (the city owns the electric company here). I've had need of paramedics more than once and you fellows do great work. Thank you.

And you're right about perception, one bad apple does spoil the whole barrel.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (2)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43799281)

I feel like I'm getting a far more credit in these responses than I deserve. I merely wanted to communicate something my old chief said that resonated with me as an important fact about being in the public service, and by extension, the public eye. But thank you.

On an unrelated note, I can't remember why I disabled my karma bonus, but I don't miss it. The setting to change your default is somewhere if you don't like using it.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

mcgrew (92797) | about a year ago | (#43811175)

You're too modest. You guys have a hard job, mentally and physically. You save lives.

As to the karma bonus, I don't want to permanently disable it, just when I have an offtopic comment to a single slashdotter, like giving you and your fellow firefighters a pat on the back.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43811605)

I actually left the fire service four years ago with a hereditary medical issue after a bit over two years professional and several years volunteer service. Landed back in IT.

My time serving definitely changed my view of what constitutes heroism though. The threshold seems to have become much lower than it once was, reserved for the Davy Crocketts and William Wallaces of the world. Now it seems to be applied to practically everyone in one way or another.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798251)

When I was hired as a fireman, one of the things my new chief told me was that when you accept that badge, people have a certain level of expectation for trustworthiness, and anything you do - illegal or not - will no longer be reported as "man" or "suspect" in the arena of public opinion, but now it becomes "fireman cut me off on the highway" or "Firefighter acts like a douchebag in grocery store". And then it reflects on all firemen, no matter how unfair that can be.

This cop has just done the entire law enforcement profession a great disservice, but the public trust of law enforcement is wearing thin as it is at this point...

Funny how online everyone is a fireman, a cop, a navy seal or some other such profession. I guess we live in a world where everyone is a hero /eyeroll

So what exactly was the point of your post mr "fireman"? Because you didn't say anything to further the conversation, you didn't pose any opinions, no facts, no questions, no nothing. You just strolled in to do a big ole "Hey Im a fireman and I am a wonderful upright person because I would never consider doing what this guy did" and then strolled right back on out.

Comes across as some sad attempt to get a ego boost by telling a bunch of strangers on the internet you are a fireman and how moral you are just for the sake of telling a bunch of strangers.

And yes, fireman are assholes and douchebags just like anyone else and are subject to same criticisms because of it. A fireman is no one special, its just a job and nothing more. A fireman is no better than a mayor, the president, a guy who works at a gas station or a janitor. To announce you are a fireman makes you a douche for thinking it entitles your opinion (which you had none in your post) or you to be more respected than you deserve automatically.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (2)

GoogleShill (2732413) | about a year ago | (#43800759)

+1 if i had mod points today... Unfortunately the right-wing, pro-police-state idiots have already modded you down.

I think that the fire department is a great public service, and I don't condemn their service, but show me ONE that has ever in their lives stood up for what is right and testified against ANYONE with a badge who has abused their power.

Every fireman I have ever met has been a self-absorbed prick who thinks he's a at the same level as a cop and therefore above the law, and better than everyone else on the planet.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

ISoldat53 (977164) | about a year ago | (#43798945)

This hasn't changed my opinion of the NYPD at all.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

slick7 (1703596) | about a year ago | (#43799707)

To protect and serve, as the motto goes ; this is why all public servants must be held to a stricter code of ethics with harsher penetalties. It goes for police, judges, politicians. So much power and trust is given to them that to dishonor that trust should carry a very stiff fine: your pension, house, finances and freedom for a very long time.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#43800103)

Yet, everyone says you're needlessly paranoid and delusional because you have concerns about your data and your privacy...

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800689)

... public trust of law enforcement ...

Don't worry. This crime will be dismissed as an isolated incident, unlike the bombing of Boston marathon. In the interests of normalcy, law enforcement officers will not be subjected to oppressive regulations, unlike the spectators of the Boston marathon.

Re:These are the people that most citizens depend (1)

alexo (9335) | about a year ago | (#43802619)

These are the people that most citizens depend on

A good portion of the citizenry have already realized that the only difference between police and any other organized crime gang is that the former is backed by government while the later are viewed as competition. The others will catch up after they have their first interaction with the police.

This view will not change until members of the force are at least as accountable [google.ca] as the average Joe.

Reality check (3, Insightful)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about a year ago | (#43797779)

From TFA:

"Of all places, the police department is not a workplace where one should have to be concerned about an unscrupulous fellow employee." commented FBI Assistant Director in Charge George Venizelos.

Hmm, let me fix that for you, Mr Venizelos:

"Of all places, the police department is the workplace where one should be most concerned about an unscrupulous fellow employee."

Glad I could help.

Re:Reality check (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43797897)

The two quotes (His and your "fixed" version) aren't incompatible at all.

Re:Reality check (2, Informative)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43797939)

The two quotes (His and your "fixed" version) aren't incompatible at all.

They are if you take context into consideration: FBI Ass. D.I.C. George V. was implying that police should never be considered suspect; OP was implying that police should always be considered suspect.

Context -it fucking matters.

Re:Reality check (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#43798821)

They are if you take context into consideration: FBI Ass. D.I.C. George V. was implying that police should never be considered suspect;

That's not what he said at all, if the quote was accurate. He said that the police department should be the last place you have to worry about this, as in, police shouldn't be doing this so you shouldn't have to consider them suspect. The IMPLICATION is that they DO it and you DO have to be worried. That's 180 degrees from your interpretation. "Shouldn't have to" is much much much different than "should never".

Re:Reality check (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43802497)

You're assuming that was said with noble intent; I'm assuming it was said with the Blue Code of Silence in mind. [wikipedia.org]

Both of us are making an assumption, but I feel mine to be more accurate due to extensive history of bad cops covering for each other.

Re:Reality check (1)

libtek (902569) | about a year ago | (#43797935)

Great work. I wonder what all he found...

Re:Reality check (2)

MozeeToby (1163751) | about a year ago | (#43797949)

"Should have to be" is not the same as "should be". Saying "I should not have to be concerned about where my savings are" is not the same as saying "I shouldn't be concerned about where my savings are". I should be able to trust my financial adviser, I should also verify that he is doing what he is supposed to do.

Re:Reality check (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year ago | (#43797971)

Obviously the cops preventative security and vetting doesn't work as well as it should - thats what happens when you let individual towns run their own cops instead of the state.

Re:Reality check (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798031)

Obviously the cops preventative security and vetting doesn't work as well as it should - thats what happens when you let individual towns run their own cops instead of the state.

not sure if kidding or retarded.

Re:Reality check (1)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year ago | (#43798007)

Although I would tend to not be as cynical about it, I'd have to agree that if you did have a policeman who was unscrupulous or corrupt, it would be very much worth worrying about.

Even if bad cops are a small percentage, those few can still cause a lot of damage, even for other cops.

Re:Reality check (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#43798989)

He was right. The workplace where one should have to be concerned about unscrupulous employees is the FBI, that don't have to pay anyone to have that info.

Well (1)

waspleg (316038) | about a year ago | (#43801499)

Then it would be "us" vs "them". See, most law enforcement thinks they're above the law. Think Judge Dredd.

Touch of Evil 2013 (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about a year ago | (#43797933)

- I looked in that mailbox just now. There wasn't anything there.

- I know how you feel.

- Do you?

- It's only human you'd want to come to the defense of your fellow countryman. Vargas, don't worry. Go right ahead and say anything you want to. Folks'll bear your natural prejudice in mind.

- I saw that mailbox ten minutes ago, Captain. The mailbox was empty.

- Yeah, maybe you didn't notice.

- I opened it on my own tablet. I couldn't very well have failed to notice two thousand pirated MP3s.

- Tell any story you want to, Vargas. Go on sayin' it was empty. Folks'll understand.

- I'm sayin' more than that, Captain. You framed that boy. Framed him!

.

Which emails? (4, Interesting)

godel_56 (1287256) | about a year ago | (#43798079)

Where are were the hacked email accounts hosted?

Were they on some dedicated police email server or were they webmail accounts (Gmail etc.)? How did the hackers get in so easily, apparently? Inquiring minds want to know.

I support that officer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798321)

Hackers should be employed by law enforcement agencies as far as I am concerned.

They know more and can do more than any police department just because they are involved in that world from a different side the law enforcement is. They could do a lot of good.

Casinos pay ex cheats to work for them educating staff and walking about spotting cheats on the floor. Hacks could do the same for a police department.

Law enforcement will always be fighting an uphill battle as long as they handicap themselves on purpose. Criminals have no rules, that's why they wont always win but they wont ever go away or ever be truly beaten and only a small percentage of them ever get shut down.

i don't blame the police anymore. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799717)

You need less police, just like you need less government. We are outnumbered plain and simple. In the new fascist arena, there is only one population stupid enough to insist on it. Count the number of cops you see on your way to work tomorrow.
Cops are TRAINED to all show up at the same time and empty their guns just to make their recklessness justifiable and harder to track. 1 Kentucky marksman could replace 100 cops these days. Hell, 1 old Irish cop with a knight stick from 40 years ago could replace 20, easy.
The contest between Socialism and Fascism was decided long ago when they combined them with Americas favorite import. Naziism. People get the government they deserve.HHH^^^^ vote for.

you can buy a hacking service? (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#43800179)

I was surprised to see the choice of words "Hacking Service." Do you just go to the YellowPages or Google Hacking Services? ;-)

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