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Intel's Linux OpenGL Driver Faster Than Apple's OS X Driver

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the greased-lightning dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The open-source Intel Linux graphics driver has hit a milestone of now being faster than Apple's own OpenGL stack on OS X. The Intel Linux driver on Ubuntu 13.04 is now clearly faster than Apple's internally-developed Intel OpenGL driver on OS X 10.8.3. when benchmarked from a 'Sandy Bridge' class Mac Mini. Only some months ago, Apple's GL driver was still trouncing the Intel Linux Mesa driver."

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That's great news! (4, Insightful)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43798671)

Well, that is great news, but if Intel played a hand in its development, then that would only make sense if Intel did NOT play a hand in helping Apple develop the Apple version of the OpenGL driver.

Since Intel is the creator of the architecture for the video hardware in question, it would be only sensible for Intel assisted development to be better than development that occured without Intel's help.

Either way, go go Gnu/Linux (and open source!) !!!

Re:That's great news! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798809)

Wonder how much it crashes or how buggy it is though? (Open Source and all)

Re:That's great news! (0, Flamebait)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43798887)

snarkay! Well, if you want to compare windows and gnu/linux, then windows really comes off badly by that comparison. If you want to compare GUIs, Gnome 3 is almost as icky as Win8 and Metro, but MS wins the Loserville medal on that too. Why don't you have the balls to say what you want without your cowardice and anonymity? Is it because you're so wrong? You are. That's it!

Re:That's great news! (0, Flamebait)

NemoinSpace (1118137) | about a year ago | (#43799753)

He didn't compare it to anything asshole. He just asked a question - an admittedly troll like one, but you fell for it and went all windows on him didn't you? The real reason people are uncomfortable with Linux is because using it means you are probably surrounded by other people using it, and that means 1 out of 10 are douche bags like you.
I thought about not posting this comment - but only for a minute.

Re:That's great news! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799963)

that means 1 out of 10 are douche bags like you. I thought about not posting this comment - but only for a minute.

And you're typical of Microsoft evangelists? The type of people I'd be interacting with if I used Windows?

Thanks for the warning.

Re:That's great news! (5, Insightful)

Progman3K (515744) | about a year ago | (#43800187)

Honestly, I love the fact that linux is not mainstream on the desktop yet.

I live my (computing) life blissfully, untroubled by the rolling waves of forced upgrades and virus panics that everyone around is going through and I can just smile and say "sorry, I run linux, I have no idea how to fix that" when they ask me to help them with their mess.

I truly hope linux NEVER becomes mainstream.

Re:That's great news! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800455)

Linux is already mainstream, and ahead of Windows in most places that are not traditional PC computing. From phones to servers to supercomputers.

Re:That's great news! (5, Insightful)

TENTH SHOW JAM (599239) | about a year ago | (#43800553)

My phone runs Linux. My tablet runs Linux. My netbook runs linux. My Set top box runs linux. My Entertainment Computer runs linux. All by default out of the box. My Email server/Social network/offsite backup solution runs linux. I do keep a Win7 box handy, but even that has a Linux partition.

No CompileKernel WorkOutDependancies nonsense. The only reason I know this (besides being a geek) is by digging in the "About This Device" thingy and reading the kernel version.

When do you think Linux will become mainstream?

Re:That's great news! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800289)

The real question is how fast the Windows driver is...

ask the twelve people who care? (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43800495)

Re: The real question is how fast the Windows driver is... You should ask the twelve people silly enough to run boot-camp windows on overpriced Apple laptops for the windows 8 driver experience. Didya notice no-one else even brought that up? No one cares, perhaps? That's turning into a BSD / HURD kind of joke now, isn't it? When will it turn into "Netcraft confirms that MS Windows is dying..." ???

Re:That's great news! (4, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43798927)

Nice nickname you got there. Wonder where the inspiration came from. Achem, now, on to the commentary!

Well, that is great news, but if Intel played a hand in its development, then that would only make sense if Intel did NOT play a hand in helping Apple develop the Apple version of the OpenGL driver.

Compiler warning on line 1: .Comments.Item("43798671") has ambiguous syntax. Should contain (3) of type=sentence, but has (1).

Since Intel is the creator of the architecture for the video hardware in question, it would be only sensible for Intel assisted development to be better than development that occured without Intel's help.

Compiler error on line 3: .Comments.Item("43798671") Variable of type 'sensible' cannot be narrowed to class 'business sense'. Consider replacing with 'legal sense'. Note: include Slashdot.Comments.Inflammatory.Duopoly module to access this object.

Either way, go go Gnu/Linux (and open source!) !!!

Compiler warning on line 5: .Comments.Item("43798671") contains excessive punctuation. Should contain (1) of type=punctuation_exclaim, but has (4).
Compiler warning on line 5: .Comments.Item("43798671") contains duplicate objects.
Compiler warning on line 5: .Comments.Item("43798671") 'Gnu/Linux' is depreciated. Consider using 'Linux' instead.

Re:That's great news! (1)

amateurhr (2023742) | about a year ago | (#43799109)

Compiler warning on line 5: .Comments.Item("43798671") 'Gnu/Linux' is depreciated. Consider using 'Linux' instead.

Deprecated. Although technically I consider it an asset...

Re:That's great news! (5, Funny)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43799373)

No, I'm pretty sure "depreciated [wikipedia.org] " is right, since no ceasefire has been called [wikipedia.org] . Think of it as a more tongue-in-cheek equivalent, along the lines of PHP deprecation, which actually means "popular."

Re:That's great news! (4, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43799527)

No, I'm pretty sure "depreciated" is right, since no ceasefire has been called. Think of it as a more tongue-in-cheek equivalent, along the lines of PHP deprecation, which actually means "popular."

Snarky. I like it! You get my stamp of approval. And you're right, that does seem to be how PHP develops. But more seriously, the 'gnu/linux' tag was an attempt to politicalize the kernel by RMS. He was sharply rebuffed by Linus and others. Most distributions are less... puritanical... about what to include. So when I say 'linux' for this driver, I mean all flavors, not just the 'pure' gnu/linux ones, hence the tag 'depreciated'. Also, I tagged it as such because I knew it would piss someone off and get me modded down. :D And it succeeded brilliantly at that, proving that there are at least a few of the old guard still lurking on slashdot.

Re:That's great news! (2)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43799681)

I believe the slogan at hand is "Grammatik macht frei [wikipedia.org] ." :)

I understand your stance on the "GNU/" prefixing, although personally I believe the tag should be applied whenever a system contains significant GNU components, puritanism not required. After all, we call it "Linux" when the system contains Linux, not because it's just Linux.

But, um, yeah, I honestly thought that post was a pretty direct cruising-for-a-bruising affair. Congrats on getting it modded up at all!

Re:That's great news! (0, Offtopic)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43800119)

But, um, yeah, I honestly thought that post was a pretty direct cruising-for-a-bruising affair. Congrats on getting it modded up at all!

I've been irritated at the moderator/detractors lately: They love modding me 'overrated', or taking something that's funny and modding it flamebait/troll, knowing full well someone will come along and mark it funny again. They're trying to bleed me of karma because they can't attack what I'm saying, but they can make me suffer for it just the same. AH! There's a girl here! And she's being smart, and snarky, and... and... mod down! mod down! ABORT! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIIeeeee..... *head asplodes* *shrugs* Just further proof that the hipsters have finally made landing here as well. Things that become popular invariably bring intolerance and bigotry with them... and our community is no exception. :(

Re:That's great news! (1, Insightful)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43800379)

Exception? No, no, Slashdot is probably the pinnacle of the gender divide. I can count the number of (confessed) estrogen-infused users on here on two hands. Even 4chan is less homogeneous, despite the... rich tradition of unrestrained abuse to every imaginable target. The popularity curve moved along a long time ago; I don't think it's wrong to say the average Slashdot user has more in common with Timothy Lord than Homo starbucksii—one need only look to the voices that pipe up during the numerous "IT wages gripefest" stories. These be a more slovenly, disenfranchised folk.

Admittedly, I haven't experienced much in the way of childish moderation (which, honestly, seems to know no gender boundaries), but I do usually try to keep my pointless little self-validating karma-farming operation on the downlow, and most posts end up informational. But hey, on the bright side, I bet you've gotten fewer creepy marriage proposals through here than I have. And there's always the mysterious anonymous butt pirate [slashdot.org] , but given the rate of such posts I'm starting to wonder if there's only one guy in the entire world who does that, sort of like Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged.

Re:That's great news! (2, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43800469)

But hey, on the bright side, I bet you've gotten fewer creepy marriage proposals through here than I have.

You're right. I just get creepy descriptions of lewd sexual acts and rape threats; Only a couple marriage proposals.

And there's always the mysterious anonymous butt pirate, but given the rate of such posts I'm starting to wonder if there's only one guy in the entire world who does that, sort of like Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged.

Oh we have that here. There used to be Thog, who always posted in all caps and pretended to be a caveman. He was the reason for the "lameness" filters you sometimes encounter when trying to post. Then there was the 'natalie portman' and 'hot grits' puberty that slashdot went through on its way to full fledged "ur gay" maturity...

Re:That's great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799879)

It is rare to see such highly developed sarcasm in one so young, girlintraining. Once you become a real girl, you will be a formidable opponent indeed.

Re:That's great news! (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43799953)

Is there any reason to suspect that Intel is withholding any assistance that Apple is requesting?

Since they are actively working on an OSS driver, they clearly don't have some sort of 'zOMG Intellectual Secrets!!!' concern(and it's not as though Apple would be averse to signing the NDAs in any case), and Apple buys a lot of Intel chips(including a pretty good mix of the higher margin ones. They don't move Xeons for shit; but they also don't ship anything lower-end than an i5. That's not the sort of customer you play petty little games with when it comes to engineering support.

Re:That's great news! (2)

Yvanhoe (564877) | about a year ago | (#43800145)

But Intel's linux driver is open sourced. This counts as helping!

Re:That's great news! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800317)

Kinda sucks that they didn't use the same hardware om the machines.
This is test is like saying: We took two different model cars (one four cylinder (representing the dual core that was in the OS X machine) and one eight cylinder (representing the quad core CPUs that was in the Linux machine)) and put a driver in each and had them drive around a track. The eight cylinder car was faster so that car clearly has the better driver.

First party driver beats third party driver (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798679)

News at 11!

Just so you know (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798687)

For all you integrated GPU haters and Intel haters... the Intel Linux drivers are straight up excellent. I do not believe there are better Xorg drivers available in Linux, including NVidia. Intel has really been diligently working to make their Xorg drivers work well and they deserve credit. For desktop work, HD video and other non-first person shooter use cases both the hardware and the drivers are a godsend and I thank Intel.

Re:Just so you know (-1, Troll)

Desler (1608317) | about a year ago | (#43798709)

I do not believe there are better Xorg drivers available in Linux, including NVidia.

+5 funny.

Re:Just so you know (2, Informative)

Rolman (120909) | about a year ago | (#43798779)

I do not believe there are better Xorg drivers available in Linux, including NVidia.

I do not believe there are better open source Xorg drivers available in Linux, including NVidia.

There, fixed that for ya ;)

Bad citizen (5, Insightful)

DrYak (748999) | about a year ago | (#43799323)

Although Nvidia's binary driver tend to be rather fast,
Nvidia has been a rather bad citizen regarding drivers.

They don't offer any help for opensource drivers, at least not the desktop ones (well, at least things are starting to move for the Tegra, thanks to the strong dominance of linux in the embed market).

And they don't play well along other linux technologies. They prefer to do things their way (which is trying to do an as straigh as possible port of their windows code-base) which sometime leads to missing feature, instead to use the facilities which are developed by the kernel folk. (e.g.: the whole Linus' "Fuck You!" scandal). Optimus whould have been implemented much earlier, had Nvidia decided to start collaborating with other effort in that direction. (Well on the other hand, the OSS community wasn't that much helpful when they decided to finally try using DMA-BUF).

So although Nvidia's drivers are fast, they are just a monolithic bloc of proprietary secret and doesn't elegantly interface with everything else. They are not nice.

Re:Just so you know (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798793)

I do not believe there are better Xorg drivers available in Linux, including NVidia.

The problem with the intel drivers is that no matter what settings I try all the video playback through emacs is CHOPPY AS HELL!. It's unreadable. The Xorg drivers from NVIdia at least can deinterlace without crashing, but they are still choppy. I'll wait for the Ubuntu version.

Re:Just so you know (3, Funny)

Teckla (630646) | about a year ago | (#43799159)

video playback through emacs

I think I figured out your problem...

Re:Just so you know (1)

s4ltyd0g (452701) | about a year ago | (#43799413)

uh woosh? I hope?

Re:Just so you know (2)

jrumney (197329) | about a year ago | (#43800053)

video playback through emacs

I think I figured out your problem...

The Xorg in his post gave it away. You need to recompile emacs with direct framebuf support. Or wait for Wayland, Mir or whatever platform comes next promising to fix all these sorts of performance problems in X.
 

Re:Just so you know (3, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a year ago | (#43799697)

no matter what settings I try all the video playback through emacs is CHOPPY AS HELL!

During video playback, you should try to reduce the number of Eliza windows to less than five, and also refrain from running more than two other operating systems using the elisp engine as a VM.

Also it's well known that any system installations of VI or VIM will spike the processor during emacs use out of jealously; I suggest you delete them.

Re:Just so you know (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | about a year ago | (#43798773)

ATI Mach64

Re:Just so you know (1)

niko9 (315647) | about a year ago | (#43799339)

I only, wish, wish wish that I could buy a discrete card from Intel!! PCI or PCI-E, I don't give a damn!

Re:Just so you know (2)

Nimey (114278) | about a year ago | (#43799499)

I'm sure you could find an i740-powered card on eBay for $5.

Re:Just so you know (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year ago | (#43799857)

I have an Intel i740 in my desk if you're really that desperate...

Re:Just so you know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800489)

What if I hate intel because it's so good?

And? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798697)

Not really an accomplishment. Apple's OpenGL drivers have always been under par. This is equivalent to being proud of yourself for being able to beat a gimp in a race.

Re: And? (1, Troll)

jwinterm (2740003) | about a year ago | (#43798715)

Linux doesn't beat the gimp, Linux is the gimp.

Re: And you make me sick (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798753)

Linux doesn't beat the gimp, Linux is the gimp.

Yeah because making fun of physically challenged people just to insult an operating system isn't extremely bigoted or ignorant or offensive or anything...

Re: And you make me sick (2)

sensei moreh (868829) | about a year ago | (#43798815)

I use GIMP for all of self-fulfillable my photo manipulation needs. GIMP would probably be able deal with the remainder of those needs if I would RTFM

Re: And you make me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798825)

Grow up and stop being offended at innocent jokes. Political correctness is for those of weak mind.

Re: And you make me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798907)

Grow up and stop being offended at innocent jokes. Political correctness is for those of weak mind.

Whereas conservatism is for the intellectually challenged (read: the stupid).

Re: And you make me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799119)

Whereas conservatism is for the intellectually challenged (read: the stupid).

Those who call others stupid are themselves their own perfect examples

Re: And you make me sick (1)

spazdor (902907) | about a year ago | (#43798937)

Then why does it always seem to be the weakest-minded people who are the ones complaining about "political correctness"?

Re: And you make me sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799037)

Because you pulled that out of your ass.

Re: And you make me sick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798831)

Yeah because getting bent out of shape over a word, any word, is asinine in and of itself.

Re: And you make me sick (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798959)

What's really asinine, is getting bent out of shape chastising other people for getting bent out of shape.

I have an idea: let's all just never post any comments again.

WTF is wrong with you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799073)

I have nine asses and find your post extremely offensive.

Re: And you make me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798843)

Yeah because making fun of physically challenged people just to insult an operating system isn't extremely bigoted or ignorant or offensive or anything...

LOL 'physically challenged'. Can't you just say handicapped like the rest of us? Soon 'challenged' will be the new 'retard', and I wonder what the politically corrected crowd will come up with next. Also, fuck off.

Re: And you make me sick (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799165)

And "retard" is just the new "nigger". Man, I miss the good old days when no one expected me to act like i give a shit about treating people kindlypolitically correct

Re: And you make me sick (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43799261)

W.T.F. does 'GIMP' have to do with physically challenged (I think you are too timid to write 'disabled') people?

I suspect you of choosing to interpret what was written in way that enables you to choose to take offense, where non was offered.

why is this news? (3, Insightful)

anthony_greer (2623521) | about a year ago | (#43798717)

A company that makes and designs chips is better at coding drivers to those chips than a PC maker that just sources those chips as components... Why is this shocking?

Re:why is this news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798739)

It's even less impressive in light of Apple's OpenGL driver never being known for it's great speed, feature richness, or even being up-to-date to the newest standards.

Re:why is this news? (3, Insightful)

danbob999 (2490674) | about a year ago | (#43798797)

No mater who makes it, in the end, you are getting more performance on Linux than on OS X. Unless you can download a better performing driver for OS X, this is an argument for using Linux.

Re:why is this news? (1)

damnbunni (1215350) | about a year ago | (#43798849)

Not unless the software you need OpenGL performance for runs under Linux, too.

Re:why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798973)

Even if it doesn't, it will soon, now that Linux performance is better than OSX performance, and porting from OSX to Linux isn't extraordinarily difficult.

Re:why is this news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799065)

No it won't and porting from Mac OS X to Linux isn't as easy as you think it is.

Port this [apple.com] to Linux

Re:why is this news? (1, Insightful)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43799085)

...Really? You're making a tremendous leap to that conclusion. You think ultimately slight performance gains in OpenGL over another OS is enough to convince all the software developers out there to switch to Linux? Just because OpenGL performs a little better? Are you honestly that daft?

Re: why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800071)

Really now, because Linux implements the Apple's core_ frameworks, cocoa and all those other fun things pretty much Evey Mac app in existence uses, so it's just a recompile away, right? Because secretly, they're both POSIX, so all it takes is a dash of pixie dust. seriously, I wish thins myth would fuck off and die already.

Besides that, it's not like anyone's doing serious graphics intensive work on integrated. Intel cads' and it's not like it matters anyway, it's been said a million times by the companies who make the apps - it's not like there's a significant enough amount of people using Linux to justify the cost of development and maintenance, and even less willing to pay for software.

Re:why is this news? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798941)

Most normal consumers won't switch to Linux just because a driver performs better; that is in the wet dreams of the most rabid Linux fanboi.

Re:why is this news? (-1)

mcrbids (148650) | about a year ago | (#43798961)

Unless you can download a better performing driver for OS X, this is an argument for using Linux.

Bwah ah ah hha ha ha ha! God, you're killing me! Because people who are buying computers and/or setting them up will actually care about video benchmarks whether or not Linux is faster on the 1-2 year old Mac Mini than OSX?!

This is news in that Linux drivers have traditionally been the second-rate bastard child of driver land, and bringing the drivers up to something more current is a clear step in the right direction. But it's nearly negligible in terms of "making an argument" for Linux.

For those that should be using Linux, the case is already made: stable, secure, *nix environment, etc. I'm guessing that all 5 Linux gamers will rejoice this news, however...

Re:why is this news? (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43799099)

It's an argument for using Linux, sure, but not a good one. Especially on its merits alone.

Re:why is this news? (2)

Dynedain (141758) | about a year ago | (#43799135)

Unless you can download a better performing driver for OS X, this is an argument for using Linux.

...on a particular set of hardware. Notice they're compiling and testing on Apple's low-end machine.

And honestly if your Linux vs. OSX decision is based on a narrow difference in performance, then you probably aren't considering cheap desktop hardware to begin with.

Re:why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799205)

Hell if you need any application that needs OpenGL performance you're not going to be running on intel integrated graphics in the first place.

Re:why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800039)

you probably aren't considering cheap desktop hardware to begin with.

Especially since it's illegal to run OSX on cheap desktop hardware.

Re:why is this news? (3, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#43799359)

No-one said it was shocking?

However the drivers for the open-source OS is good. Not only for the proprietarian one. That's nice.

Re:why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800267)

You really haven't been working for a company that actually makes hardware, have you?

phoronix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798725)

Is slashdot the only source of traffic to phoronix? Basically every one of their silly unscientific 'comparisons' makes the front page. Has been this way as long as I can remember.

why can't ati / nvidia / intel have there own driv (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43798789)

why can't ati / nvidia / intel have there own driver downloads for OSX like they do for Linux and windows?

Re:why can't ati / nvidia / intel have there own d (1)

D1G1T (1136467) | about a year ago | (#43799089)

For better or worse, Apple tries to sheild its customers from the driver instability/incompatibility that has affected (mostly) DOS/Windows over the last couple decades. Yes, they have given up a lot of choice in graphics cards, but most Mac users would rather have graphics that only run at 85% speed but that crashes much less often.

Re:why can't ati / nvidia / intel have there own d (1)

del_diablo (1747634) | about a year ago | (#43799427)

I guess its because on Windows/Linux you see that there is driver bugs on each version of the driver, so all Apple really needs to do is to create testsuit, not tell there is a testsuit, and then test the driver. If it has bugs that is found, do not approve the driver. If there is a update, but there is no real improvement, do not update the driver, etc.
Seeing the insane bugs that pile up and that is version specific, at some point it makes too much sense, especially since drivers are maintained.

Great! (2, Funny)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year ago | (#43798847)

Great news for all those OpenGL games out there like Minecraft and um....

Re:Great! (4, Insightful)

Hes Nikke (237581) | about a year ago | (#43798879)

Did you know that you can run steam and source engine games on ubuntu now?

Re:Great! (1, Troll)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43799139)

Indeed, it's cool that Linux now has access to some new 7-9 year old games.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799331)

Once they port Dota2 I see no reason to stay on windows, not because I love dota2 that much, but because its one of the few games I can convince my friends to play.

Also, since unity has linux support rather easily now, I am sure a lot more indie games will get there soon.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799439)

Just in case you're not trolling, you may want to check:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=linux&category1=998&snr=1_230_linux__202 [steampowered.com]
Lots of Indie games, but also plenty of 0-2 year old kick-ass games.
More and more games immediately come with Linux versions upon their release.
Anyway, I'm off playing The Cave.
Also, fuck you.

Re:Great! (1)

flimflammer (956759) | about a year ago | (#43799603)

It wasn't so much trolling as a light jab in reference to the source engine being ported over.

Re:Great! (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year ago | (#43800067)

Not just some, but tens of them.

Re:Great! (2)

aliquis (678370) | about a year ago | (#43799353)

Did you know that you can run steam and source engine games on ubuntu now?

Steam yes.
Number of games limited.

Anyway what I wanted to say was: Did you know you can also run them on other distributions than Ubuntu?

As in OpenSUSE 12.3 here. Not that I've got anything to play on it. But Steam runs. :D

Re:Great! (1)

armanox (826486) | about a year ago | (#43799875)

I've played quite a few (TF2, World of Goo, Serious Sam 3, HL, CS) on Fedora 18 quite beautifully.

Sigh (4, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about a year ago | (#43799761)

When you post stuff like that, and fanboys mod it to +5, it looks really silly. The reason isn't because it is not true, but because it is not impressive. Yes, Linux has a few games for it including some older Source games. Yay. Trying to imply that because it has Steam it has games is silly. Roughly 6 of my 163 Steam games will run on Linux and most of those are the older Source engine games.

Having Steam doesn't mean you get games. It means there's a platform to sell games on that many Linux users will hate on (costs money, has DRM, no source code). The games themselves have to be ported and so far, not much of that has been going on.

It does not strengthen your point when you go and make a rather silly argument. The "but it has Steam!" argument that keeps getting trotted out when someone comments on Linux and gaming reminds me of Mac users back in the 90s pointing to the 10 or so old titles you could find in the store as proof that there were plenty of games on the Mac.

Linux gaming is not in a good state currently, and trying to mask that is silly.

Re:Sigh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43800111)

Trying to imply that Linux Gaming isn't on the rise and getting better all the time is silly.

A year ago, you could point to a few key ported games in the past and say 'It works on linux'. Now I can say I have over 30+ games, just in my steam account alone, that work on Linux. Is it gonna play, out of the box, brand new retail MS Windows games? Probably not. Will it in 2 years? I think it might due to the changes i've seen via steam and unity and the like, and a year ago I wouldn't have been that optimistic.

Just because you don't like the game selection on linux doesn't mean there aren't 3D games. And I don't know any linux user hating on Steam, all of them that I know are thrilled. Most of the community are not Free As In Speech zealots.

Re:Great! (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a year ago | (#43800419)

Serious question. How much of a performance impact does running a game on Steam have vs running the application natively on MacOS. Same question could be said of Windows in fact. Or is it all the same just rolled up and packaged differently but executed the same regardless?

Re:Great! (4, Interesting)

Anubis IV (1279820) | about a year ago | (#43800577)

I just popped open the Mac App Store and took a glance at the first page of games. Just to name a few that were listed, there's Borderlands 2, CoD: Black Ops, Batman: Arkham City, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, Civ V, Bioshock, Amnesia, Witcher 2, Assassin's Creed II, and XCOM: Enemy Unknown. And if I pop open my copy of Steam, I can find pretty much all of Valve's titles, as well as a whole lot more. Granted, they're not all the latest and greatest (e.g. Bioshock, not Infinite; AC2, not AC3; Black Ops, not Black Ops II), but it's a wide selection of well-known games from a number of developers.

Jokes like yours are funniest when they use humor to take the edge off of a point that would otherwise be painful to swallow, but yours is simply off the mark entirely. Unreal, Source, Gamebryo, id Tech, IW, and Unity engines all work with OpenGL and have a number of games out using it. There are strong rumors that Crytek already has an in-house version of CryEngine 3 running with OpenGL, and based on job listings at DICE, it looks like they're porting their Frostbite engine over as well for use with Battlefield.

Given the disappointment that some of the major game developers have expressed (e.g. Gabe Newell's public statements) towards Windows 8, along with Microsoft's signals that DirectX may be at its end of life, is it really any surprise that all of the major game engines have already been ported or are in the process of being ported to OpenGL? Even more so when you consider that the two major smartphone OSes (i.e. the platforms on which most games today are now played) only make use of OpenGL? Not to mention that on gaming devices that support one or both of OpenGL or DirectX, all but one of those devices (Xbox) supports OpenGL in addition to or to the exclusion of DirectX? And the fact that Linux is quickly gaining recognition as a high-performance gaming platform and is getting some love from developers and publishers? Finally, is it really all of that surprising that the developers are actually making use of these game engines to put games on as many devices as possible?

Mind you, I'm not suggesting that DirectX should be abandoned, by any means, since it's still quite powerful and is still the library that's used on one of the major consoles out today. All I mean to do is point out the folly in your assertion that OpenGL is not being utilized in games.

really need this (2)

puddingebola (2036796) | about a year ago | (#43798861)

I could really use this, since my crappy Intel GMA 950 graphics won't play Portal on Linux. I'm sure this amazing driver update will allow it now.

Re:really need this (3, Informative)

ikaruga (2725453) | about a year ago | (#43799671)

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but in case you aren't, I think you need a GPU with at least Pixel Shader 2.0 hardware in order to play it. anything bellow and it will crash the moment you open a portal. Unfortunately, no driver update can fix this problem.

Re:really need this (1)

deathguppie (768263) | about a year ago | (#43800387)

sorry, but the answer is no. I'm running 13.04, with steam on a laptop running the same intel chipset they used for the test. Luckily it has an Nvidia card, so I can play the games using bumblebee.. (a hack that needs to be fixed IMHO) but portal will not run using just the intel graphics. It crashes and goes bye bye..

FOREST !! TREE FALLS !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43798891)

But no one there to hear it, see it, smell it !! It is like Windows 8 only without the agony of defeat !!

That's great! now where's the OpenCL support for i (0)

nadaou (535365) | about a year ago | (#43798919)

Glad to see the progreess, maybe the competion will eventually lead to better OpenGL support in OSX too.

Now where the heck is the OpenCL support for i7 on Linux ?!

Perhaps Intel could put a bit of effort into releasing (GPU) OpenCL support for their i7 Ivy Bridge line then? For the same chip there's a Windows driver, but not for Linux. But for Xeon it only works for Linux but not Windows. It has been promised for a year, still nothing.

Their efforts so far seem to have been shipped off to another team, who did something in parallel to the rest of the community, so likely a dead end.

As demonstrated here, surely they have the resources?

Get with the program guys!

Re:That's great! now where's the OpenCL support fo (1)

D1G1T (1136467) | about a year ago | (#43799161)

There isn't OpenCL for Intel chip Mac either. I haven't tried it, but am told that the Windows OpenCL stuff is dog slow on the Intel 4000. Perhaps it isn't worth bothering with?

Accuracy? (3, Interesting)

MoronGames (632186) | about a year ago | (#43799271)

Okay, so now we know that the drivers themselves are faster at rendering OpenGL content, but are they accurate? I know that, in the past, both AMD and nVidia have resorted to not quite properly rendering things to get their cards to perform better in benchmarks, does anyone know if any of that is going on here?

osx is not all that (2, Interesting)

kcmastrpc (2818817) | about a year ago | (#43799559)

It's actually starting to show its age. I've recently switched back to windows 8 (with classic shell) and will probably never give OSX the time of day again. The fact that I have to go back to the main screen to do anything with the menu bar, task bar, and a file manager that hasn't changed in 15 years started driving me insane. There were some other quirks as well - like the END key doing something completely different in every single application I used that drove me to switch. In any case, I tried it, for a few years actually. I'm not trolling, I just think that Apple has dropped the ball with the OSX UI/UX - in favor of developing all their iGadgets.

Re:osx is not all that (1)

Philotomy (1635267) | about a year ago | (#43799777)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the way Mac OS developed (I started using it with Jaguar). I moved back to Linux (I can't stand Windows). Having been away from using desktop Linux for around a decade, I was pleasantly surprised when I switched back.

Re:osx is not all that (1)

feranick (858651) | about a year ago | (#43799985)

It runs deeper than that. HFS is ancient, slow and inefficient. Memory management is a joke. I'd say enough "iOSization" of OS X, OS X should really make a leap jump into an innovative desktop OS. And I say this from my Mac.

How about using the same hardware across OSes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43799593)

Another terrible Phoronix article. The hardware is different... different core count, different chipset, it isn't even clear if they are using the same IGP.

Re:How about using the same hardware across OSes? (1)

pieleric (917714) | about a year ago | (#43800453)

Indeed, the hardware specs are really weird. It seems even that the two Ubuntu set-ups were done using different CPU speeds (2.5GHz vs 2.9GHz).
So, I wonder if it was the same hardware, and was reported differently, or it was really 3 different mac minis...

pinch of salt (0)

smash (1351) | about a year ago | (#43799675)

The machines that run only HD3000/HD4000 on the mac side apart from the mini are macbook airs and the 13" MBPs.

On the resolutions those machines run natively (i.e., 1440x900 and lower, apart from the retina), the OS X driver looks to be 25-30% faster...

Very nice but... (1)

Torp (199297) | about a year ago | (#43800107)

If you need/want 3D performance you should still get a discrete video card.

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