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Richard III Suffered an Ignominious Burial, Researchers Find

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the hold-the-pomp dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Richard III may have been the King of England and the subject of a Shakespearean play, but even that couldn't keep him safe from ending up in a hastily-dug grave that ultimately became part of a parking lot, according to a new study published in the journal Antiquity."

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Better than cremation (1)

inflamed (1156277) | about a year ago | (#43830885)

This was news a while ago.

Re:Better than Slashdeath (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43830937)

So was Slashdot. Now it's dying the kind of slow lingering death that would make Dicky 3 grateful that he was topped in the field of battle.

Re:Better than cremation (3, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43831113)

It really would be news if we were to learn that Richard suffered from his burial. That would indicate that he was aware of his surroundings three days after he had clinically died. THIS IS A CASE FOR LIFE AFTER DEATH!! The question that Richard failed to answer is, which, if any religions, offers any real promise of salvation or happiness after death. Poor, suffering Richard - does anyone think that he is still suffering after all this time?

Re:Better than cremation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831415)

Well, who knows what interesting signals are triggered when the brain starts to rot.

Perhaps he was suffering from his burial.

Re:Better than cremation (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about a year ago | (#43833679)

I watched every episode of "Gilligan's Island" and I can tell you no interesting signals are triggered.

Re:Better than cremation (3, Funny)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year ago | (#43831633)

"It really would be news if we were to learn that Richard suffered from his burial. That would indicate that he was aware of his surroundings three days after he had clinically died. "

A shovel, a shovel, my kingdom for a shovel!

Re:Better than cremation (3, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43832739)

A shovel, a shovel, my kingdom for a shovel!

I imagine that after his burial, it would have been more like "A shovel, a shovel, Henry VII's kingdom for a shovel!" :-)

News for nerds (0)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#43830901)

At least the comment system is now self aware enough to show the dupe [slashdot.org] from over a month ago. Dice.com will be renamed to sky.net any time soon?

Re:News for nerds (4, Insightful)

osu-neko (2604) | about a year ago | (#43830955)

Your "dupe" has no information about the conditions of his burial, which is the main point of this May 25th article.

Re:News for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831083)

it's an update article and should be labelled as such.

Re:News for nerds (0)

roman_mir (125474) | about a year ago | (#43831159)

You don't get it, this dupe is here on purpose. Repetition is the mother of learning. What did we learn from this? You don't want your grave to become a parking lot for tourists, make sure to build yourself a pyramid, then at least you become a tourist destination on purpose.

Re:News for nerds (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831783)

"You don't get it, this dupe is here on purpose. Repetition is the mother of learning. What did we learn from this?"

Re:News for nerds (1)

fascismforthepeople (2805977) | about a year ago | (#43831913)

Repetition is the mother of learning.

So says the man who comes here to repeat his religious mantras. But what have you taught anyone with your actions? Only that repetition does not make fact.

Re:News for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43833005)

It's a pleasure to read snippets of the Bard in Slashdot. Shakespeare will be performed and read hundreds of years after Google, Apple, and Microsoft have gone the way of Pennsylvania Railroad and US Steel.

ignominious? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43830913)

hands up if you also had to google this

Re:ignominious? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43830973)

ignominious?

I can imagine lots of other burial places that would be less famous or reputable than a parking lot.

Re:ignominious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831301)

As one rugby song goes:

He ought to be publicly hanged.
He ought to be publicly shot,
He ought to be placed in a public urinal and left there to fucking well rot!

Re:ignominious? (1)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#43831447)

He ought to be placed in a public urinal and left there to fucking well rot!

Air freshener?

Re:ignominious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831723)

Well, compared to the odour of a rugby team, yes.

Re:ignominious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831771)

As one rugby song goes:

He ought to be publicly hanged. He ought to be publicly shot, He ought to be placed in a public urinal and left there to fucking well rot!

Actually it goes like this.......

Why was he born so beautiful?
why was he born at all?,
He's no fucking use to anyone!
he's no fucking use at all!,

He ough to be publicly shat on,
he ought to be publicly shot,
he ought to be tied to a West Country shitter,
and left there to fucking well rot.. to rot,
And left there to fucking well rot!

Re:ignominious? (3, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | about a year ago | (#43831445)

Even kings start to smell bad after a couple of days.

Just dig a hole and drop him in it, he's putting me off my eel pie...

Re:ignominious? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43830993)

No, I didn't. But, those of you for whom English is a second or third language? Yeah, it's a rather uncommon word. I guess it's tough growing up speaking Ghetto as your first language.

Re:ignominious? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831259)

That's not nice. There are plenty of suburban, redneck, and chav offspring with an alternate first language.

Re:ignominious? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831577)

Brain games. How many times is 'Ignominious' spoken each day in the ghetto? More than the ounces of crack cocaine smoked that day? More than the violent crime statistical mean for the ghetto each day? There's analogies hidden in this one.

Re:ignominious? (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43831711)

Grain bames [urbandictionary.com] . How many times is 'Ignominious' spoken each day in the ghetto? [etc]

FTFY

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831235)

I think it was a vocabulary word from middle school.

Re:Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831263)

Or middle ages

Re:Nope (4, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#43831753)

I went to middle school in the middle ages, you insensitive clod!

Now get thee hence and tread not upon mine herbery.

doesn't matter (1)

polar red (215081) | about a year ago | (#43830951)

buried under a stone or not : doesn't matter, unless he was a zombie and able dig himself out of a heap of sand.

I guess he started to stink . . . (5, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#43830953)

FTA:

the late king’s body was reportedly stripped naked, despoiled and publicly displayed for three days before it was buried

. . . and someone was in a rush to get what was left of him underground . . . lest his remains doth starteth to again walk . . .

Re:I guess he started to stink . . . (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43830995)

The distinct bouquet of "publicly displayed corpse" was a household fixture in pre-Renaissance Europe. I'm sure it would've been missed.

Re:I guess he started to stink . . . (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#43831759)

What's that smell, has somebody died?
Nay.
Ah, that'll be it.

Re:I guess he started to stink . . . (4, Insightful)

rgmoore (133276) | about a year ago | (#43832537)

For honored dead, it was called lying in state, for dishonored it was parading the body, but in both cases the reason was the same: to get as many witnesses as possible to the fact the person was well and truly dead. Otherwise, there would be persistent rumors that they were still alive, people pretending to be them (or their children born after their official date of death), and the like. So it was gruesome but completely practical.

And it's not as if the need for this kind of thing has completely gone away. There are still people who are rumored to be alive long after their deaths, like Elvis Presley. In the fight against terrorism, there have been several cases where the US has published pictures of the obviously dead bodies of prominent enemies as a way of proving they're actually dead, and there was considerable speculation among conspiracy theorists about why Osama bin Laden's body was disposed of so quickly.

in otherwords (0)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#43830987)

it took researchers months to figure out what a single picture shows?

no shit, its a shallow grave with a body dumped in it and it took you that fucking long to notice?

Re:in otherwords (5, Informative)

bruce_the_loon (856617) | about a year ago | (#43831145)

No. It took researchers months to write an article, get it proof-read, submitted to a journal, peer-reviewed and finally published in the journal.

Re:in otherwords (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831697)

Are you kind of stupid? Every job is pretty easy to trivialize.

it took tens of thousands of developers 20 years to make 15million lines of code? That's 2 lines per day per developer!
no shit, it took you eight hours to type 2 lines?

*( http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/04/16/linux-kernel-development-numbers/ )

Re:in otherwords (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43831969)

Even the shallow grave part isn't THAT straight forward. The depth of the ground is relative to surface level. And the surface level of 500 years ago is probably not the same as the surface level of the 20th century car park.

If the 500 years ago surface layer is still there, and other layers just piled on top then not too difficult. But what things have been disturbed more than that? What if the 500 years ago surface level isn't there any more?

Re:in otherwords (1)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about a year ago | (#43833705)

It's not the shallowness aspect that I found interesting. I wonder how they know how big the grave was in the other dimensions? Surely after 500 years the soil would have become homogenous. I'm assuming the same soil that was dug for the grave was put back in.

In all cases it seems like good detective work to me.

"suffered" (1)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | about a year ago | (#43830997)

"Suffered"? I am fairly sure that didn't cause any pain, physical or emotional.

Re:"suffered" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831333)

Another imbecile who doesn't understand that the word is often used metaphorically.

At least you've got the excuse that you're a dago.

Re:"suffered" (1)

geogob (569250) | about a year ago | (#43831615)

Yet, metaphorical use of words is not always appropriate; despite what journalists want you to think with their catchy headlines.

Re:"suffered" (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43831985)

I guess it depends if you believe in an afterlife or not. For people that do, believing that dead men can suffer from the circumstances after their death is not much of a leap.

Richard III's Final Words (5, Funny)

A. I. Agent (807767) | about a year ago | (#43831015)

A hearse, a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse.

Re:Richard III's Final Words (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43832007)

Richard Of York Got Buried In Van.

You don't say? (0)

Briareos (21163) | about a year ago | (#43831047)

Re:You don't say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831137)

And the damn duped post is from February 4th. And i remembered it too, soon as I saw this. Look at how crappy this dupe is compared to the first ./ post.

wow.

Re:You don't say? (3, Informative)

bruce_the_loon (856617) | about a year ago | (#43831143)

Those readers who don't RTFA are doomed to make themselves look silly.

Two different articles two different topics in the articles, one a press release that the DNA matched and that it was Richard the 3rd, the new one on how he was buried in the grave.

Re:You don't say? (1)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about a year ago | (#43831439)

Yes, but I've already seen the show twice on cable tv. It is not news.

Shiv@droidow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831053)

I am little shocked with this , Painful "A hearse, a hearse, my kingdom for a hearse.".

What? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831115)

News for nerds? No. Stuff that matters? No.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831251)

Yeah, we'd be more interested about the ignominious treatment of King Robb's body.

You are wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831295)

Historical is nerd worthy.

The Bard knew that (2)

Antiocheian (859870) | about a year ago | (#43831123)

Imperious Richard, dead and turned to clay,
Might stop a hole to keep a tire from flaying.
Oh, that that earth, which kept the world in awe,
Should patch a park t' allow the traffic’s flow!

Hastily-dug? (0)

pahles (701275) | about a year ago | (#43831229)

Can someone please explain how they determined the grave was hastily-dug? I guess the grave diggers didn't leave notes. Maybe they purposely dug it the way it is...

Re:Hastily-dug? (5, Informative)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43831555)

Sure. I performed an experiment called Read The Fucking Article (RTFA), which yielded this curious observation:

First of all, the grave Richard III was placed in was “badly prepared,” which, the researchers from the University of Leicester said, suggests gravediggers were in something of a rush to get the corpse underground.

It was found approximately 73 mm from the entrance to TFA, not very far in. Note the use of the phrase "First of all", which provides supporting evidence that it was near the entrance.

Re:Hastily-dug? (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about a year ago | (#43831581)

And towards the end of the article were links for further studies, like "Eel Shoved Up Man's Anus Eats Its Way Through His Intestines", but I'm not doing any more of your homework, and you'll just have to click on them yourself, good sir.

Re:Hastily-dug? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43833653)

I'll bet that article would get more hits. We've not previously discussed the vicissitudes of anal Anguilliformes.

Shakespeare??? (3, Insightful)

ignavus (213578) | about a year ago | (#43831237)

Um, Richard III died in 1495 while Shakespeare was writing plays (like, you know, "Richard III") around 1592 - a hundred years later.

So how was Richard's burial going to be affected by a play that hadn't yet been written, and which wasn't going to be written for another 100 years?

Do you think the early Tudors might have thought, with a little effort: "Oh look! Some playwright will write about this dead king in a hundred years, and the dead king and the playwright will still be famous in 500 years time, so we had better bury this dead king properly."

Re:Shakespeare??? (1, Informative)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#43831337)

Um, Richard III died in 1495

1485. August 22nd, IIRC.

Re:Shakespeare??? (0)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43832019)

Yeah right. If you are going to claim to recalling things that you just looked up on Wikipedia, at least make them useful things.

Re:Shakespeare??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43832915)

If you studied history at an English school, there is a very good chance you'd be able to remember this correctly, because Richard III is one of the bits of history most often studied in depth in mandatory history lessons (before we got to choose which modules we took for qualifications). I could recall it without Wikipedia's assistance.

Re:Shakespeare??? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43832863)

Um, Richard III died in 1495 while Shakespeare was writing plays (like, you know, "Richard III") around 1592 - a hundred years later.

Ah, yes. notice the circuitous nature of time.
Even in mind repeats all past feats to make rhyme.

A bit of perspective folks... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831247)

Remember that the new King, Henry Tudor, hereafter referred to as that Evil Bastard Henry VII (EBH7) dated his accession to the throne to the day BEFORE the battle of Bosworth, thus rendering those followers of Richard III who remaied loyal to the end traitors to the crown, and that the turncoats who ensured his victory would make sure they heaped as many indignities in the corpse of their former king as possible to demonstrate their loyalty to EBH7.

Given these circumstances, its entirely reasonable that the interrment of Richard would be done as quickly as possible, at the first opportunity that the body would not be missed. Originally the grave was in the church of the Grey Friars, probably in front of an altar and would have been deep enough not to cause "offence". It may have been hastily prepared and thus not quite the right size for Richard, but rather than indicating that the scenario was "ignominious", it shows that his remaining supporters wanted to bury him in a holy place, away from the vengance of EBH7s new supporters. Given the time constraints and the location, speed would have been of the essence. Just because it wasn't a State Funeral doesn't mean that it would not have been done without reverence. The fact that the site ended up as a car park can be indirectly ascribed to the activities of EBH7s son, Henry VIII who dissolved the monasteries, friaries, etc.

We're lucky that the grave still exists. Part of the foundations of a Victorian brick privy intrude into the burial site, a few feet further and he would have been completely obliterated.

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (3, Insightful)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#43831359)

Evil Welsh half-French Bastard Henry VII (EWHFBH7)

FTFY.

He was a right cunt, wasn't he? Just like all the Tudors. The thistle-arsed bastard Stuarts weren't exactly great, but after the Tudors they were a relief.

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

Art Challenor (2621733) | about a year ago | (#43832339)

Like Obama after the Bushes?

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

spike1 (675478) | about a year ago | (#43831653)

Tisk tisk tisk... EVERYONE knows that richard III *WON* the battle of bosworth field, but then got murdered accidentally by a weasel called Edmund when he thought Richard was nicking his horse. Richard IV then became king for a year before the entire family was (again) accidentally murdered by Lord Percy when he put poison into a jug of wine rather than a single cup.

THEN EBH7 took the throne and erased that year from history. :)

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

silentcoder (1241496) | about a year ago | (#43831919)

Dude, if you're going to make the Blackadder joke, then at least get it right. Richard IV ruled for 13 Glorious years before lord Percy's mixup with the wine and poison. At which point, Henry Tudor ascended the throne and rewrote history for a full backdated 13 years, claiming the death of Richard the third, victory at Bosworth and basically denying the very existence of Richard the fourth.

It's in the opening sequence to the series dude.

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43832031)

Lighten up. It's just comedy.

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

silentcoder (1241496) | about a year ago | (#43832097)

Comedy is serious business :P

Re:A bit of perspective folks... (1)

c0lo (1497653) | about a year ago | (#43831735)

Seems like there's a bit more [le.ac.uk] to the story. The current grave may not be the original one.

I'll not speak ill of the dead (3, Interesting)

Molochi (555357) | about a year ago | (#43831315)

But I, that am not shaped for sportive tricks,
Nor made to court an amorous looking glass;
I, that am rudely stamped and want love’s majesty
To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
I, that am curtailed of this fair proportion,
Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
Deformed, unfinished, sent before my time
Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
And that so lamely and unfashionable
That dogs bark at me as I halt by them—
Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
Have no delight to pass away the time,
Unless to see my shadow in the sun
And descant on mine own deformity.

Yo0 @fail it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831353)

Unanswered question (5, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | about a year ago | (#43831363)

Well, after reviewing the research one question still remains unanswered, did he at least get a good spot in the parking lot?

Re:Unanswered question (2)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about a year ago | (#43831553)

Whichever may you look at it, being buried in a parking lot is wrong on so many levels.

Re:Unanswered question (4, Funny)

Chris Mattern (191822) | about a year ago | (#43831693)

But being buried in a parking garage would be wrong on so many *more* levels.

Re:Unanswered question (2)

BasilBrush (643681) | about a year ago | (#43832037)

Of course. The disabled spots are always in prime position.

Re:Unanswered question (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#43832397)

But handicapped tags weren't invented yet. Why do you think they removed him? They're really serious about parking laws in Europe.

Re:Unanswered question (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43833931)

That's because pretending that you're parking when you actually have no vehicle to drive off in doesn't count.

I'd rather not be a 'king'. (4, Insightful)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#43831371)

I'd take living in this modern life as a 'peon' any day over being any royal person in history. We live better than any kings and queens of yore. We have modern plumbing and sanitation instead of having to defecate into holes, and nothing beats a hot shower on demand. In the 1400's the average english person took a bath every 7 years, the world was filled with dirty smelly people. Heat and air conditioning on demand, not cold castle walls. We can get to anyplace in the world in a matter of hours, not yearlong odyessee's. Only royalty got to wear the color purple, today we have the full spectrum of color available. Disease and plagues are not something to be feared as back then, healthcare today is top-notch. And all the world's knowledge is all available on your portable phone, there's no need to live in ignorance provided by royal magical wisemen. We live better and longer than kings and queens of history ever did. This story, repeat though it is here, reminds me to be grateful for the marvelous lives we lead today, the best time in all of history to be alive.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831451)

"healthcare today is top-notch"

Written by someone who has never been sick; you're probably quite young. Modern medicine is great, but it is very far from top-notch.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831489)

"healthcare today is top-notch"

Written by someone who has never been sick

Or perhaps by someone who has never lived in the US

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (2, Insightful)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a year ago | (#43831799)

"healthcare today is top-notch"

Written by someone who has never been sick

Or perhaps by someone who has never lived in the US

I am 53, live in the U.S., and have woken up in emergency rooms in my day with traumatic injuries. Injuries so bad that if they had happened 10 years earlier there would have been nothing doctors could have done to repair the damage done. I've had cataract surgery a few years ago, and now I see better than I ever have in my life, night driving on rainy nights especially is much easier now. I have no complaints about modern healthcare in the U.S.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

ebno-10db (1459097) | about a year ago | (#43832043)

I have no complaints about modern healthcare in the U.S.

Obviously it's good that your treatment experiences with modern healthcare in the US have been positive. Your treatment experiences would probably have been as good in almost any developed country though, which is not a knock on the US, but does show we're not exceptional in that regard. The big problem w/ US healthcare is its cost. If you had lacked insurance that ER experience probably would have bankrupted you. There's a possible exception for on-the-job injury or something that was clearly the fault of someone else with good insurance and/or deep pockets, but the lawsuits can take years and cost a fortune themselves. Don't count on those things though. Many 9/11 "non-official" first responders, who were rightly considered heroes, were bankrupted by their medical costs. Without insurance you also couldn't have even contemplated cataract surgery.

US healthcare costs at least 50% more than in any other country (as %/GDP, it's worse if you use exchange rate or PPP), and we do not have better results for it. We also lack universal coverage. It's also a crap shoot as to whether or not needed medical treatment will bankrupt you.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43832945)

"healthcare today is top-notch"

Written by someone who has never been sick; you're probably quite young. Modern medicine is great, but it is very far from top-notch.

Written by someone with a sense of perspective, more like. Be grateful for what you've got, even if it could be better.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | about a year ago | (#43831795)

Exactly.
The average car has 134hp in Germany.
They weren't that many people in history with more than 100 horses.

And all this quality of life that you described has been made possible by cheap and widely available energy.
It probably will be impacted by peak-oil and climate change though....

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (2)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about a year ago | (#43831887)

I'd take living in this modern life as a 'peon' any day over being any royal person in history. We live better than any kings and queens of yore. We have modern plumbing and sanitation instead of having to defecate into holes, and nothing beats a hot shower on demand. In the 1400's the average english person took a bath every 7 years, the world was filled with dirty smelly people. Heat and air conditioning on demand, not cold castle walls. We can get to anyplace in the world in a matter of hours, not yearlong odyessee's. Only royalty got to wear the color purple, today we have the full spectrum of color available. Disease and plagues are not something to be feared as back then, healthcare today is top-notch. And all the world's knowledge is all available on your portable phone, there's no need to live in ignorance provided by royal magical wisemen. We live better and longer than kings and queens of history ever did. This story, repeat though it is here, reminds me to be grateful for the marvelous lives we lead today, the best time in all of history to be alive.

I'd rather have been royalty in the 1400s than a peon in Harare or Dhaka or any number of other extremely poor places in the world today.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43832951)

This story, repeat though it is here, reminds me to be grateful for the marvelous lives we lead today, the best time in all of history to be alive.

And someday, people will look back at us now and think our lives sucked.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43833217)

In the 1400's they had a very efficient service for removing dead bodies from villages and towns, on a regular schedule. Pity they don't have that today.

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43833951)

In the 1400's they had a very efficient service for removing dead bodies from villages and towns, on a regular schedule. Pity they don't have that today.

What if I don't want to go on the cart? I feel fine!

Re:I'd rather not be a 'king'. (1)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about a year ago | (#43833941)

In the 1400's the average english person took a bath every 7 years, the world was filled with dirty smelly people

Oh, I'd certainly welcome a source for that.

loÂquaÂcious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831719)

I have found Slashdot posts to be, rather loquacious from a bunch of lads and dads.

Oh dear.. Richard the Third.. (1)

marienf (140573) | about a year ago | (#43831777)

Blackadder wasn't anywhere near the king when it happened.

Let's not forget the real lesson to be learned. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43831793)

The real lesson we can learn from King Richard III's life is don't piss off the French, or else you'll end up buried under some parking lot.

"My kingdom for a parking space!" (1)

peter303 (12292) | about a year ago | (#43832111)

I felt like that futilely searching downtown for one yesterday. No parking restrictions on Sundays, so its impossible to find anything.

pre-800 AD burials rare (1)

peter303 (12292) | about a year ago | (#43832175)

For the most part classical graves were plundered during the dark times. Although they had longer to decay, that is not as big a factor. Christian graveyards are still somewhat respected. I remember reading about Alexanders body drug around the classical world for half a millennia until it was lost.

If Richard III had survived the battle... (2)

dtjohnson (102237) | about a year ago | (#43832663)

There would have been no Tudor England, House of Windsor, Henry VIII, and the schism from the Holy Roman Catholic Church. That would mean no George III who was King at the time of the American Revolution. Maybe New York would be an English City.

Re:If Richard III had survived the battle... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43833379)

Or a Dutch one ;-)

no House of Windsor - made up name (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#43833671)

windsor is a made up bullshit name, George the V of the German Saxe-Coburg and Gotha pulled it out of his ass in 1917.

He was framed by the Tudors (1)

boddhisatva (774894) | about a year ago | (#43833523)

Richard was, by surviving contemporary evidence a pretty good guy as monarchs of time go. He modified laws and the legal system to provide justice for the lower class citizens. The Tudors had every reason to fear his memory and smear it. During the early period of Tudor reign, saying something good about the Plantagenets, especially Richard would have been the equivalent of talking about how good the Czar had been during the rule of Stalin.

figures (1)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | about a year ago | (#43833911)

What else would you expect from such a misshapen man who can't even enjoy the lascivious pleasing of a loot!

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