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Google Rolling Out Gmail Redesign

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the make-sure-to-react-before-you-try-it dept.

Communications 303

Today Google announced a redesign of the Gmail inbox. Citing a high volume of email which makes it hard for users to focus on what's important (or what they want to focus on at any given moment), the new inbox will automatically group incoming emails into categories, which will appear as tabs at the top of the inbox. 'You can easily customize the new inbox — select the tabs you want from all five to none, drag-and-drop to move messages between tabs, set certain senders to always appear in a particular tab and star messages so that they also appear in the Primary tab.' Speaking to The Verge, Gmail product manager Alex Gawley said, 'It became obvious to us over time that this notion that the inbox was more of your master than your servant was becoming more widespread. It wasn't just the people receiving hundreds of emails a day — more regular users were starting to feel stressed out by their inbox.' The announcement notes that if you aren't interested in the new view, you can switch off all the tabs to go back to the classic inbox view.

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No! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853113)

Please stop fixing what is not broken. Please.

Re:No! (5, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#43853451)

Please stop fixing what is not broken. Please.

No shit.

I mean, what is so difficult about reading all my incoming emails in the order I see them...like I've done with email since I first got email on the internet in about '93.

What has changed so much that they need to potentiall fsck up the interface yet again?

I think by now, we've pretty much gotten email front ends and MTA's done about right, not much need for new tinkering that I can fathom.

Re:No! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853729)

I'm confused; it says clearly in the summary and the article that people can go back to the classic view if they choose to do so. Therefore, they're simply giving people an option as to how they want to view their inbox, and if you like the current version, you can keep it. So what are you upset about? More options is always a good thing, especially if one option is to keep things the way they are.

Re:No! (5, Insightful)

twisted_pare (1714106) | about a year ago | (#43853747)

Optional will be tomorrow's mandatory. That has been the typical beta test to roll out of Gmail updates so far.

Re:No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853801)

This is Google. 'Optional' means 'we'll force everyone to use the new, inefficient design in a month.'

Re:No! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853849)

Will they allow people to permanently keep classic view or will they eventually force everyone to change like they do for every other "optional" new interface (including the last forced Gmail downgrade itself)?

Re:No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853787)

Google won't listen, no matter how many people complain. They don't give a shit about their users and insist that every ugly, poor performing, inconsistent change that they make from YouTube to the Android UI is for the best.

This is the reason I will no longer use anything from them. My last tie was my Android phone, which got replaced (and smashed with a hammer) last month.

Re:No! (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43853583)

Please stop fixing what is not broken. Please.

my other account had just rolled over to the new(ehm old??) design in last month.

was nothing wrong with the older one either. it's not like I think it's a terribly great idea to write new messages in a fucking chat box on bottom right corner, wtf is up with that? is it making it more IM for fooling the cool kids??

Re:No! (4, Funny)

dougisfunny (1200171) | about a year ago | (#43853735)

I know right? I hate it when I have new options on how to look at things. I mean, when someone sends me mail I want to go get it out of the mail box and open an envelope, not mess around with some newfangled electronical mail.

Re:No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853779)

Get an e-mail client, dammit!
There is no PC or mobile OS that comes without one!
Webmail is a "solution" looking for a problem.
The only problem here is that you're actually using it. Out of sheer (by definition self-harmful) laziness.

Also: Did you know that a cheap KVM/Xen root server is available for less than $5 a month? Only webhosting with e-mail and everything? $1!
I’d say that’s damn worth it!
(No, spam is not a problem. Server-side solutions like amavisd with smart patterns, updates from multiple networks, bayesian filtering, virus scanning and greylisting easily outdo Google's filter. Also, on the client side, every good Internet security suite contains a proper spam filter.)

Sounds Horrible (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about a year ago | (#43853117)

I'm very happy that Google is willing to conduct these grand experiments to solve age-old problems.

That said, this sounds just as bad as their last attempt, with the stupid "Priority" email box. All it will mean is that you have to occasionally open a new tab to make sure nothing got misfiled. Just like things that got excluded from the priority email box, and for that matter the automatic spam filtering.

Re:Sounds Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853153)

Who needs automatic spam filtering!

Who needs to outside every once in a while on a related topic?

Re:Sounds Horrible (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853193)

You don't have to use that stupid "Priority inbox", it's optional. As long as they keep these experiments optional, I'm fine with it, but Google has a tendency of removing options instead of adding them.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#43853241)

You don't have to use it... yet. But you will eventually be forced to use it.

Re:Sounds Horrible (5, Insightful)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | about a year ago | (#43853359)

Use an IMAP client of your choice than.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#43853431)

If I have to do that what's the point of even having a Gmail account? Nothing as far as I can see.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about a year ago | (#43853549)

If I have to do that what's the point of even having a Gmail account? Nothing as far as I can see.

Aside from some web interface differences, a gmail account is no different than any other IMAP account.

Some of us prefer not to have to use a web browser for everything we do online (or offline, for that matter), and an IMAP client is perfect for that.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#43853611)

I'm not seeing what your post has to do with what I said. I was saying if I have to use an IMAP client to get a usable interface for Gmail, why even keep the Gmail account since the whole point of Gmail is the web interface and the storage on Google's servers.

Re:Sounds Horrible (2)

idontgno (624372) | about a year ago | (#43853711)

The point of gmail is email. Free email, frankly. The web interface is less than useful. It's an active impediment, but thankfully I don't have to use it. I can use their storage and their SMTP hosting with proper IMAP support for free with a proper MUA [mozilla.org] .

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853755)

No, that is NOT the *whole* point of gmail. Unless you're horribly short sighted.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

IANAAC (692242) | about a year ago | (#43853799)

I'm not seeing what your post has to do with what I said. I was saying if I have to use an IMAP client to get a usable interface for Gmail, why even keep the Gmail account since the whole point of Gmail is the web interface and the storage on Google's servers.

I don't know if you remember when GMail was introduced to the general public, but its web interface wasn't the draw. It was the (for its time) ungodly amount of space for users to take advantage of.

It's only been over time that they've changed up the web interface. For those of us that have used GMail since its beginning, we don't really care about what whiz-bang thing they've done with the web interface.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

dougisfunny (1200171) | about a year ago | (#43853811)

Well, from your post you list two reasons to use gmail: 1) The web interface 2)the storage on Google's servers.
So, from that it follows if you stop liking the web interface, you use it for the storage.
Mind you, there is no reason with this new option to stop liking the interface.

Re:Sounds Horrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853833)

Just wait til they take that away, like how they ditched CalDAV and CardDAV and ended XMPP federation. Note that the Android/iOS Gmail clients use a custom, proprietary protocol.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#43853327)

Isn't the priority inbox just more spam filtering?
The spam goes to spam, the ham goes to the inbox and what they think you want to read is priority inbox?

Re:Sounds Horrible (3, Insightful)

adolf (21054) | about a year ago | (#43853607)

Yes, basically: It's another spam filter. Has always worked great for me once I got past the newness-deprecating "WTF?" moment.

With minimal training and setup my "important" stuff is the only stuff that that makes my phone notify me of email, which is actually useful to me, while "unimportant" stuff can be read or ignored some time later.

All of this conspires to make email less annoying.

Re:Sounds Horrible (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about a year ago | (#43853817)

I use it in the same way. It still goes into my inbox so I don't have most of the pain associated with filtering into a bazillion folders, but I can at least get a notification when somebody RSVPs to the event that I'm hosting in 15 minutes, and not when Aunt Tizzy sends out cat pictures.

Fix the compose window (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853385)

The stupid compose window pushed me from Gmail's web interface back to outlook. It's horrible. What's the deal with hiding most of the screen?

No no (0)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43853435)

The smart people know how to improve upon inbox-sent mail-deleted.

Quiet while the smart people are talking,

This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853119)

Is what should have been done with that "important" code.

I already make my own categories (2)

XnavxeMiyyep (782119) | about a year ago | (#43853143)

I already make my own categories using the tags feature in Google apps. If this is broken I may migrate my email to another service.

Re:I already make my own categories (4, Interesting)

Gavin Scott (15916) | about a year ago | (#43853187)

So what's the best alternative to gmail thse days?

Re:I already make my own categories (2)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | about a year ago | (#43853229)

Pine?

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#43853461)

Pine?

I'd like to say mutt....but I can't figure how to hook it to gmail, and not have to spend time downloading EVERY fscking old email on the server (thousands and thousands) each time it polls gmail.

Re:I already make my own categories (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853505)

http://www.andrews-corner.org/mutt.html

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#43853773)

That's easy, use the IMAP interface for mutt. It even caches headers

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

XnavxeMiyyep (782119) | about a year ago | (#43853297)

I have my own domain name for my email which currently uses google apps (mainly out of laziness). I would just stop using them and set up my own SMTP server.

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | about a year ago | (#43853491)

I need to dig out my old postfix email server again and fire it up at home.

I like the great spam filter gmail uses, but I'm growing tired of everything else.

I'm also tired and weary of Google having all my email they can look through.

I guess I need to reeducate myself on setting up postfix, and finding out what good spam utilities (spam assassin still good?) are good for setting up with it.

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

x_t0ken_407 (2716535) | about a year ago | (#43853513)

Indeed. Have a server with Postfix+Dovecot+MySQL+Maia (kinda like a management GUI for spamassassin+clamav) that is doing great so far. Still keep my gmail account up for now until I can get everything updated to point to my new address. Kinda hard to let it go after having it for several years, just feels like I could be missing someone/something important.

Re:I already make my own categories (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853365)

Honestly, FastMail. It's not free as in beer, for a few shekels, you've got the best web mail available. I highly suggest a look. Used it for years without much complaint. Can do so much more than GMail and there is no tracking or spying going on.

Re:I already make my own categories (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853503)

No tracking no spying?

You are delusional. Or flat out stupid.

Every web company gathers data about their users. They would be stupid not to...

Re:I already make my own categories (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853719)

They state they do not. With FastMail, your personal IP is not even shown in the headers, just their mail server. As it should be. Not every company collects data despite what you may think. And no, they are not stupid not to. FastMail charges just enough to provide the service, no more.

I'm thinking of starting an email service myself that offers a few cool things. Guess what? I'm not going to even log connections to the mail server. I'm not going to have trackers, ads, anything. Even if it just means my family and friends and a few others use it, it will be worth it as an experiment. I'm not in this to get rich or even quit my day job. I'm in it to prove a point.

Re:I already make my own categories (2)

sl4shd0rk (755837) | about a year ago | (#43853509)

So what's the best alternative to gmail thse days?

Dovecot+SSL+postfix

Re:I already make my own categories (0)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43853647)

Thunderbird.

Gmail was a shit idea at the time, and it's a shit idea now.

Again? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853167)

For f*ck's shake. It was working fine when it was introduced. Stop f*cking with the users!

Re:Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853347)

Heh... Guess that they're trying to emulate the same level of Customer Disservice that Faceplant's made into a high-artform...

Please make it look like Outlook.com (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853175)

Huge fonts! I mean if I can read more than 8 lines on a page, that is too tiny. Also lots of unlabelled buttons and ways to categorize my inbox that no intelligent human would ever use.

Riiight (4, Insightful)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#43853199)

The announcement notes that if you aren't interested in the new view, you can switch off all the tabs to go back to the classic inbox view.

Uh huh. Until they decide otherwise and force it on people like they did with the current redesign.

Re:Riiight (4, Interesting)

steelfood (895457) | about a year ago | (#43853299)

"We're Google and we can do whatever the fuck we want because we're so cool and if you don't like it you'll just have to suck it up and deal."

That's how they currently approach every product. And when I say every product, I mean every product. They're not even trying to compete anymore.

Re:Riiight (4, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#43853379)

That's how they currently approach every product. And when I say every product, I mean every product. They're not even trying to compete anymore.

That line of thinking didn't work for the automotive industry in the 70's and 80's. It won't work for google either, all it will take is consumers being fedup and an alternative.

Re:Riiight (1)

cdrudge (68377) | about a year ago | (#43853621)

That line of thinking didn't work for the automotive industry in the 70's and 80's. It won't work for google either, all it will take is consumers being fedup and an alternative.

Aside from their search and ad-related services, none of their services really have a dominance in their particular market. Yes they are very popular, but it's not like there aren't alternatives that are just as good if not better. GMail isn't the only webmail provider. Google Drive isn't the only file storage locker. Google Maps isn't the only mapping company, etc.

Re:Riiight (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853399)

"We give our shit to you free, and you use it willingly." Don't like it? POP3/IMAP that bitch. Kick it somewhere else. Otherwise, build a better mousetrap.

Re:Riiight (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about a year ago | (#43853569)

"We give our shit to you free, and you use it willingly."

So, you mean they're not creating massive databases filled with the private information of their users in exchange for use of the service?

FYI, just because you're not handing them legal tender does not automagically make it a "free service."

Re:Riiight (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#43853691)

FYI, just because you're not handing them legal tender does not automagically make it a "free service."

The fact I'm handing legal tender to my ISP, who decided with almost no notice that they were outsourcing all their email services to gmail and are thus passing some of that legal tender over to gmail, makes gmail much less than a "free service".

Re:Riiight (2)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | about a year ago | (#43853627)

Free? So they're going to pay me back the ad revenue they generate?

Re:Riiight (1)

game kid (805301) | about a year ago | (#43853551)

They still compete! --granted, it's now called Trickle Down Competition, where companies race to bring their products, service, and general quality downward fastest, instead of upward...but they still compete! And now you can Join The Conversation(tm) on Google+.

Re:Riiight (1)

Joe Helfrich (837865) | about a year ago | (#43853717)

If only I could switch back to the classic inbox view...of two revisions ago, when I liked the service. http://lavabit.com/ [lavabit.com] is looking more and more interesting.

Retrograde available ... for now (1)

wdef (1050680) | about a year ago | (#43853209)

The announcement notes that if you aren't interested in the new view, you can switch off all the tabs to go back to the classic inbox view.

Until they feel like not making that available, and want to force feed their shit down everyones' throats.

Re:Retrograde available ... for now (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43853507)

Yes, unfortunately the "classic view" that they will let you use is the current version, not the version before this one, which happens to be the one that I want to use.

How about letting us easily see unread messages? (1)

metrix007 (200091) | about a year ago | (#43853215)

At the moment I have to manually search "in:inbox is:unread" - -which is really frustrating.

Just searching for unread mails is of no use to me, as I subscribe to several mailing lists and have that stuff filtered to its own label before I read it.

I only want to see unread emails in my inbox easily and conveniently (without having to rearrange my inbox and have all unread emails at the top), yet I can't do this simple thing. Why is such a basic feature of every email client not available in Gmail?

Perhaps this redesign will account for that.

Re:How about letting us easily see unread messages (2)

robmv (855035) | about a year ago | (#43853271)

Enable the "Quick Links" labs, I use it for exactly the same query. You can add any query you want

Re:How about letting us easily see unread messages (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853455)

I added that to the menu with greasemonkey.

What does this tell us about these modern (cloud?) softwares, where simple features like this have to be manually hacked in? It is quite nice that it *can* be hacked in, but why, oh why... How about a well documented infrastructure API, and a well documented GUI API. Then I could create my own special garden, and tell everyone else to get off my lawn!

Re:How about letting us easily see unread messages (1)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#43853635)

Thank you for staying off mine, I guess?

Re:How about letting us easily see unread messages (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#43853651)

Why don't you just connect your email client via IMAP?

"Let me just take care of that for you." (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853239)

It's kind of like having someone come in and reorganize your music based on their own crazy thought process.

At least you can turn it off... for now.

But this is endemic of a larger problem using Google products, they're tinkering with the things that aren't broken and shutting down projects that people use.

There's something not quite right with that attitude.

Re:"Let me just take care of that for you." (5, Insightful)

wdef (1050680) | about a year ago | (#43853281)

It's kind of like having someone come in and reorganize your music based on their own crazy thought process.

At least you can turn it off... for now.

But this is endemic of a larger problem using Google products, they're tinkering with the things that aren't broken and shutting down projects that people use.

There's something not quite right with that attitude.

You got it. It's designer-driven change for change's sake. The same problem as Gnome with Gnome3 and the same problem that MS have with Windows 8. Changes that nobody wants or needs - except bored designers.

Re:"Let me just take care of that for you." (2, Interesting)

dmt0 (1295725) | about a year ago | (#43853493)

You got it. It's designer-driven change for change's sake. The same problem as Gnome with Gnome3 and the same problem that MS have with Windows 8. Changes that nobody wants or needs - except bored designers.

Change for change's sake? I don't think Google is as mindless as that.

A list of emails that a person gets only says so much about the person. You don't quite control what other people are sending you - they do. On the other hand the way that you interact with your email and how you categorize and prioritize it (did you find that "mark as important" feature useful?) tells so much more about you.

Of course that feature is there only to alleviate the stress from you and stop the inbox from being your master, nothing more.

Re:"Let me just take care of that for you." (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43853675)

On the other hand the way that you interact with your email and how you categorize and prioritize it (did you find that "mark as important" feature useful?) tells so much more about you.

Your weak link here is I don't want to tell some megacorp more about me.

Re:"Let me just take care of that for you." (1)

Gort65 (1464371) | about a year ago | (#43853541)

You got it. It's designer-driven change for change's sake. The same problem as Gnome with Gnome3 and the same problem that MS have with Windows 8. Changes that nobody wants or needs - except bored designers.

Add to the list some bored Firefox designers and the upcoming Australis, the design to protect users from themselves. You can have customisation, but not the way you want it...

Re:"Let me just take care of that for you." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853763)

Uhh, it seemed like a good idea to me. And at least previously, you can switch to any of the multiple inbox options you want. The bonus of "cloud" software is it gets updated...

Remember (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853249)

You can always use GMail with IMAP. You choose the UI.

Re:Remember (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | about a year ago | (#43853361)

Hopefully they won't deprecate that any time soon, as my primary gmail access point is Thunderbird.
I can order stuff how I want, and have a real desktop app

Re:Remember (2)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year ago | (#43853749)

My most sincere condolences.

(I stopped using TB at about 3GB of mail, when it was incapable of storing and indexing all of it)

Browser Reminders (2)

redbeardcanada (1052028) | about a year ago | (#43853257)

Google, please, please, please get rid of the IE8 is an out of date browser reminder. I know it is, I am forced to use it right now at work. Your constant reminders are going to drive me away from gmail...

Workaround (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43853387)

To offer a workaround, I first need to know whether you're seeing this on your work Gmail account or your personal Gmail account.

Re:Workaround (1)

redbeardcanada (1052028) | about a year ago | (#43853443)

Personal account, and I am pretty conscious of using InPrivate browsing, so this could also be related to lack of cookies/persistence...

Re:Browser Reminders (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#43853673)

You know, it is technically possible to run a proper browser and still have IE8 on your system?

Re:Browser Reminders (2)

Cro Magnon (467622) | about a year ago | (#43853827)

Not on a work computer, at least in some workplaces.

The Old Days... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853261)

I miss them... am I the only one who doesn't have (and doesn't care...) a smartphone/facebook/twitter/instagran acc?

I too am an online social networking laggard (1)

tepples (727027) | about a year ago | (#43853425)

I don't have a smartphone because a dumbphone is $28 per month cheaper. I don't have a Facebook account; I graduated and lost my .edu before it existed. I don't have a Twitter.com account, but I've been accused of being a Twitter sockpuppet [slashdot.org] once. Does that count?

Re:I too am an online social networking laggard (1)

neminem (561346) | about a year ago | (#43853819)

I pay 15 bucks a month for my smartphone, assuming I don't use it that much, which I don't. If you're also in the category of people who don't use their phones a number amount per month (huge being, for the purposes of paying 15 bucks a month, being defined as 100 minutes, 100 texts and 100 megabytes of data), perhaps you should look into Ting. I didn't have a smartphone until a few months ago when I discovered I could have one for that cheap, either. It is kinda nice, though. (If you use more than that, it's still fairly cheap unless you use a *lot* more. Wouldn't be that hard to get above the 50$ price point of most of their competitors; would be significantly harder to get above the ~100$ price point of Verizon and its ilk. Why does *anyone* still give money to Verizon for wireless?!)

"Sponsored emails" (1)

Animats (122034) | about a year ago | (#43853263)

It could be worse. Google didn't add "sponsored emails".

I had been doing this with labels (2)

SuilAmhain (2819677) | about a year ago | (#43853311)

I had painstakingly created labels and filters such as "social junk" that marked mail read upon arrival and were easy to delete.

I like this it's a good idea the inbox can fill with crud shockingly quickly.

This sort of incremental innovation shows that even email can still be improved and that people are looking at ways of doing improving it.

Re:I had been doing this with labels (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about a year ago | (#43853371)

Same here. I think it is fairly dumb for them to make their own special cased categories. e.g. I could care less about "promotions". Instead they should just make it simpler to make categories (although IMO there is nothing wrong with the current way to do them).

Re:I had been doing this with labels (1)

SuilAmhain (2819677) | about a year ago | (#43853705)

Yes we can do this ourselves and will probably continue to do so after this is launched.
But this product is for the people who can't and don't organise their email inboxes and just keep 1000 unread messages all the time.
Watch the video on the blog post. We are not Google's target demographic with this change.

Re:I had been doing this with labels (1)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#43853545)

If you call that incremental evolution, then you'll have to credit AOL, not Google, with this increment (altomail.com [techcrunch.com] ).

false positive rate (1)

Njovich (553857) | about a year ago | (#43853457)

I get really tired of the automated GMail filtering. Not sure about others, but for me the false positive rate on all these things (spam, notifications, etc) is through the roof these days, to the point that the majority of my gmail spambox is legitimate mail (although sometimes bulk). At this point I just wish for a way to turn it all off, I'd rather go through a couple of dozen of spam messages than having to check and mark as 'not spam' messages every couple of hours.

Re:false positive rate (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#43853695)

Spam is flawless for me. Important, however, seems completely random and I'd love to turn that functionality off completely.

Re:false positive rate (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | about a year ago | (#43853829)

Really? You must have some really spammy sounding friends and lists. I am subscribed to at least 4 lists, and get a reasonable amount of both business and personal mail though apps accounts I have. I might find a false positive twice a year. I've noticed that Google must have a master and a personal list, as there are some advertisers I couldn't get rid of by unsubscribing so I marked them as spam and they get filtered.

Of course, it could be people who mark unwanted advertisements as spam which are fouling your filtering. I usually have a two strikes policy (2 unsubscribes, on the third I mark it as spam), but for anyone who uses the service which requires I type in my name to unsubscribe it's a single strike - and that's if I'm in a good mood.

Wow. Look At These Posts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853471)

I thought I was the only one bitter about being forced to use the "new improved" interface du jur. But, look at these posts. There's a lot of bile in here.

It warms my heart to think that you're all a bunch of grumpy old farts, like me.

Re:Wow. Look At These Posts. (1)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#43853657)

You should move to the U.K. They had TV specials about us.

Can they maybe start by fixing gmail search first! (1)

digiti (200497) | about a year ago | (#43853477)

Come on... I have the word XYZ and search for XY it won't find it. Won't let me sort search results or apply really elaborate search filters beyond by date.
If I have an attachment and a vague recollection of the email its about as good as gone, I have to remember the exact spelling used within the email.

If it was another company I would let sleeping dogs lie but this is f'ing Google. Their web search is SOOO good and improving all the time, that makes the gmail search so ridiculously outdated in comparison. Their recent changes to search just added more information but didn't actually solve the core problem of "it doesn't work...".

Re:Can they maybe start by fixing gmail search fir (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a year ago | (#43853707)

It works just fine if you use a proper client and connect via IMAP.

Webmail is for tools, or fools without their equipment.

Re:Can they maybe start by fixing gmail search fir (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a year ago | (#43853815)

If it was another company I would let sleeping dogs lie but this is f'ing Google. Their web search is SOOO good and improving all the time, that makes the gmail search so ridiculously outdated in comparison.

Thank you, citizen, for your support. We will be moving your email over to the general Google search software in the near future, which I am certain you will accept as a vast improvement over the current situation. This change will allow you to read your email anywhere you have a browser, using a simple Google search for your own email address.

Unfortunately, this means that deleting your email will require the full "remove a link" process that the current Google indexing system uses, as well.

Thanks again for your support and constructive and beneficial ideas for making the Google Experience® more rewarding.

Signed: The Google Staff

Mass email remove (1, Insightful)

Sene (1794986) | about a year ago | (#43853483)

If only they would fix the fact that it is next to impossible to delete a huge amount of emails, gmail just keeps freaking out and refuses to do so.

Google copying AOL? 8-/ (2)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#43853521)

So Google plans to copy what AOL was trying to do with Alto [techcrunch.com] ? Sheesh. I have an account at altomail.com; I wasn't very impressed and haven't been using it.

worse than facebook redesigns (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853533)

everytime facebook updates their designs millions of users cry out in panic and terror. a month later they are all happy and complacent with the changes. I feel similarly about everyone who is complaining in this thread

Re:worse than facebook redesigns (1)

macraig (621737) | about a year ago | (#43853693)

Just because people can manage to adapt to corporate-forced change doesn't validate that change as actually useful for anyone except the corporation(s).

Nice job, Google! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853641)

Way to drive people back from web-based email to a standalone client.

More cell phone adaptation? (1)

mexsudo (2905137) | about a year ago | (#43853663)

I too complain about effing up a perfectly good thing. I think most changes are being made to make them work in cell phones. Too bad, I lake computers.

new design (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43853839)

I think the new design is awesome. There might be kinks, but i am all for it, i am using it and loving it already.

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