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U.S. Authorizes Sales of American Communication Tech To Iran

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the applying-a-sepia-filter-to-your-breakfast-is-a-fundamental-human-right dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A report at SF Gate notes that 'The United States has lifted portions of two-decades-old sanctions against Iran in an effort to bolster communication between the country's citizens — and potentially aid organization against a repressive Iranian government. Thursday afternoon the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control authorized the sale of hardware and software that pertain to the Internet, instant messaging, chat, e-mail, social networking, sharing of media, and blogging — basically, all things digital. The Treasury Department wrote, 'As the Iranian government attempts to silence its people by cutting off their communication with each other and the rest of the world, the United States will continue to take action to help the Iranian people exercise their universal human rights, including the right to freedom of expression.'"

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I wonder... (5, Insightful)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about a year ago | (#43872927)

Do you have to pay extra to not have Stuxnet installed out-of-the-box?

Re:I wonder... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873005)

No, I think they're stux with it.

Re:I wonder... (2)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43875805)

Do you have to pay extra to not have Stuxnet installed out-of-the-box?

Not if you accept advertising.

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The fine print... (4, Funny)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a year ago | (#43872931)

>> U.S. Treasury Department: "universal human rights, including the right to freedom of expression"

The fine print: "...unless you advocate the rule of law based on the U.S. Constitution or the Bill of Rights."

Re:The fine print... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873869)

or they have money and US corporations want it!

Re:The fine print... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43878421)

Just another PR stunt from the lying US administration? "We're freer than you are".

With all the BS the US and Israel are playing at is it any wonder that Iran is locking down internet access?

Infiltrate! (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a year ago | (#43872941)

You do realize this is simply a cold hearted attempt to bring Iran to it's knees. Hear me out ....

- Iran is subjected to crushing economic sanctions. Their economy makes Newark, NJ look like a paradise on earth.
- Now, Apple and Sony can dump their high priced, effete toys on a naive, unsuspecting populace.
- Billions of dollars flow outward from the Iran economy which, heretofore, had been largely supported by itinerant photoshop interns.
- Profit
- Iran collapses in a heap of shiny trinkets!

USA! USA! USA! (oh, and China...)

Re:Infiltrate! (2, Insightful)

tnk1 (899206) | about a year ago | (#43873467)

If you take away the commercial aspect, that is pretty much what they want to happen.

They want the Iranians to see that not everyone lives in a medieval theocracy. Also, they want people to see that the US is not their enemy and that their leaders are messing with them and denying them liberties they could be having.

The hope is that they will then see who the real enemy is: their own government.

Of course, the shiny trinkets thing is also a distinct possibility too.

Re:Infiltrate! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873677)

They want the Iranians to see that not everyone lives in a medieval theocracy.

This from an American? Priceless.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873935)

Except that the USA _is_ their enemy. Their own government too, yeah, but not any more than the USA. Given the US' recent track record of invading countries that seem to be exploitable for profit, especially if justifiable with some spin of "delivering democracy via bombs" and high acceptance because the target population is largely Muslim, I really don't see how those people wouldn't harbor fear and resentment against the US of A...

Re:Infiltrate! (3, Informative)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about a year ago | (#43874171)

Forget the recent invasions of other countries, the US destabilized a democratic government and installed their own puppet dictator in Iran just over thirty years ago.

Re:Infiltrate! (2)

jratcliffe (208809) | about a year ago | (#43874729)

"Forget the recent invasions of other countries, the US destabilized a democratic government and installed their own puppet dictator in Iran just over thirty years ago."

The coup against Mosaddegh was 60 years ago, not 30 (1953). Also, the dictator (the Shah) was already there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax#U.S._role [wikipedia.org]

Re:Infiltrate! (2)

ceoyoyo (59147) | about a year ago | (#43876361)

Whoops, you're correct. It was the Iranian people overthrowing the US puppet thirty years ago. I have coffee now.

The Shah wasn't a dictator any more than Queen Elizabeth II is a dictator. Iran was a constitutional monarchy (just like Canada and the UK), ruled by an elected parliament. Your own link says that the Shah fled the country during the coup because he was afraid the public would take a dim view of his actions, and only came back after the CIA had mopped up, and an American general had been dispatched to convince him to be dictator of Iran.

That incident, which was inspired by oil of course, gave Iran, the rest of the countries in the middle east, and really all other third world countries with oil, good reason to distrust the US.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43881741)

I don't know man.

It is not 100 % clear that US in fact did anything. There are a lot of people who say against that. I do not know why you trust the CIA as a source. One of their missions is to spead FUD - yet when it comes to this they must be telling the truth, what?

Secondly, It's kind of funny that you pt "democratic government" and "puppet dictator" in one sentence. Are yo aware of that Mossadegh was only the prime minister? Government means the Shah's government, because the Shah was still the King of Iran and still had his power.

Mossadegh was not a democract, nor was a democraticly elected. According to the constitution the Shah had to pick his ministers. About Mossadegh not being a democrat - It seems like people like you keep saying this keep forgetting that Mossadegh demanded emergency powers and when told no he threatened to close the parliament.

And lastly, the Shah was a puppet and a dictator. I don't think he was a puppet, because a puppet would not piss off his masters like the Shah did. He raised the oil price by 3x pissing off the USA and causing oil crises in the western world (in Afkhamis book, you can see the threatening letters sent to the Shah from the USA). And I don't see puppets buying weapons and having trade relations with the masters biggest enemy Soviet Union. My suggestion is to stop taking in everything your USA media tells you and be a bit more critical. Whenever it comes to other stuff you guys are always like, "OMG CIA CAN'T BE TRUSTED, USA MEDIA CAN'T BE TRUSTED, BE CRITICAL GUYS, (I know because I lurked here for years), but when it comes to Iran - damn, then everyone must be right and correct and we Iranians, we are wrong - we do not know our nation, our history, our culture better than some american who is sitting in his basement still having imperalist thinking in his head.

And dictator? The country was a constitutional monarchy. Many countries at that time were. Some countries today are. If the Shah is a dictator then Elizabeth in UK is a dictator too. Did the Shah have power? Yes. Was the country completely democratic? Of course not - nobody elected the Shah, but that was the system for many years and people enjoyed it. The country had a constitution, senate, parliament and prime minister. Democracy does not have to be something good - many 'democratic' nations today are shit many of the leaders use democratic as a means to calm the people down, "but it's democratic! you voted for us - now we can fuck you over." - the democratic countries are not so democratic either. How many parties can you really vote for in most nations? USA is basically a two party system. And these political parties are not much different when it comes to some matters, like foreign policy and military policy [depends from nation to nation]

So so, in summary - please be critical. And just use common sense. Thanks.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43876079)

American style democracy - your having it No choice.

Re:Infiltrate! (3, Insightful)

orgelspieler (865795) | about a year ago | (#43874423)

ha ha ha. If you think that Iranians aren't already fully aware of the way the "civilized world" lives, you're smoking crack. They know just fine. Coca-cola, Mickey Mouse, all that shit is (or at least was) commonplace. Had we left them the hell alone back in the 70's, things would have been a lot more America friendly over there. Hell, there might even be a Disney World - Prince of Persia theme park by now. The only reason they see us as the enemy is because we thought it was in our best interest to fuck with Russia by destabilizing that whole area. Mission fucking accomplished.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874977)

Please remind me what we did to them in the 70s.
I'm serious.
Because I remember the 70s as " We took your embassy because we hate the Shah, now give him back".

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

Sabriel (134364) | about a year ago | (#43879041)

Yes, it was the '50s when the CIA kicked out the democratically elected government and installed their puppet, not the '70s.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

orgelspieler (865795) | about a year ago | (#43895939)

My mistake. Typical American getting dates and places mixed up. Honestly, we've fucked up so many countries so many different times, I got confused which was which.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#43894103)

Yes, it would've been better to leave them to the Russians like with Syria and Iraq because they obviously became such Western loving bastions of freedom in the middle east.

It's quite possible that whatever happened it would've ended up a hatred filled shit hole. The absence of American interference doesn't always inherently lead to a peace loving forward thinking progressive nation, it's quite possible that it can be just as bad regardless.

You can certainly pin the blame for the way Iran turned out on America because that's what happened, American interference clearly didn't help, but you can't say that the absence of American interference (Syria) or decreased American interference (Iraq) would have had it turn out any better because if it's neighbours are anything to go by that's far from being a given.

The argument makes a bit more sense with places like Cuba, where, had the US not isolated it from itself it's sheer proximity to the states would if it weren't for it's braindead embargo have flooded Cuba with so many American imports and created so many Cuban exports to America coupled with a lot of travelling of US citizens to the country for tourism that America not embargoing Cuba likely would have turned Cuba into a very westernised nation by now. The same can't really be said with any degree of certainty with Iran where there is no proximity and where there is a much wider gulf in religious and cultural differences (Iran has a long distinct history of it's own, whilst Cuban people and culture, like America, still ultimately stems heavily from European descent even if they seem worlds apart politically).

Re:Infiltrate! (3, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43874489)

They want the Iranians to see that not everyone lives in a medieval theocracy.

Guess what? They *already fucking know that* --- and they know the *reason* they are living in a medieval theocracy is American interference blowing away their secular democracy and installing a brutal right-wing dictatorship that made theocracy look like a good choice in comparison. You're an ignorant condescending prick if you think Iran isn't already a modern, technologically savvy country filled with people who know what's going on in the world (probably much better than Fox-News-watching Americans). The Iranian people are just smart enough to know that welcoming Western megacorporate colonial oppression isn't the best solution to their "we have a sucky government" problem --- they've seen what partnering with America does to all the other countries we fuck over in the name of "economic liberalization".

Re:Infiltrate! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43875185)

You made me laugh out loud several times. Thank you for that, my friend.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43876069)

Ummm, so many things factually incorrect with this statement. The Iranians overthrew a long standing Monarchy (which yes, was brutal and also friendly with the West). They did so because they did NOT want a secular government, they wanted an Islamic state. At no time was the thought of a secular democracy on the minds of the Iranian people, they in fact abhorred the idea.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about a year ago | (#43877673)

Wrong time period.. don't you know about Mossadegh?

Okay, back in the 50's the Iranians basically put a social-democratic secular government in place who wasn't going to let US companies just exploit Iran without fair compensation and Iranian ownership of the resources.... US businesses were upset so they complained to the US government. Eisenhower got the CiA to give US corps what they wanted, The Shah who would let US corps do whatever as long as he got a cut. Cue 20 plus years of right-wing dictatorship. Then in the 70's a bunch of fundamentalist Iranians, living abroad, (Khomeini was in France of all places, not some other theocratic leaning Muslim country!) told the Iranians that the Shah was their punishment for being secular and that if they brought back that old time religion and got rid of the Shah everything would be hunky dory and be a paradise. Cue the Iranian Revolution and 30 plus years of repressive theocracy.

All of this is at the feet of Eisenhower, the buck stops there. He could have said no, but the man who warned us of the military-industrial complex, caved in. Nice Job Breaking It, Hero of WWII.

Here's what happens with oppressive governments (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43878185)

Here's what happens with oppressive governments - they crack down on people organising to oppose them so sometimes the only people left that can meet in public are the religeous groups. When the oppressive government is overthrown the only groups with their shit together are those religeous groups. That's how the current situation in Egypt developed, and that's more or less what happened in Iran. The difference in Iran is that there was active culling of other factions that had been allied with them during the revolt (eg. they killed off all the communists which really pissed off the USSR), leaving bloodstained fanatics as the only ones left standing.
The people wanted to get rid of the Shah. The Islamic groups wanted an Islamic state. Now with the Islamic state being run by a vanishing group of geriatrics with no line of succesion it's only a matter of time before we find out what the people of Iran currently want.

Re:Infiltrate! (3, Informative)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43876267)

...and they know the *reason* they are living in a medieval theocracy is American interference blowing away their secular democracy and installing a brutal right-wing dictatorship that made theocracy look like a good choice in comparison.

I doubt that many Iranians share your ignorance on the matter. If you know much at all about the history there, you know that the so-called secular democracy that was replaced consisted solely of the former Prime Minister who had dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree indefinitely, faked an election, and resisted the sole remaining check on his power - the right of the constitutional monarch to dismiss the Prime Minister. What you refer to as "democracy" was a simple dictatorship at that point. The real coup in Iran was the Prime Minister overthrowing the government. The counter-coup was restoring, not "instilling," the Shaw to power.

The Iranian people have clearly learned from the mistake of instilling the Ayatollahs into power, but the problem is remedying that. They ended up there in no small part due to the common interest that Muslim peoples have in instituting Islamic Sharia law, which they believe will resolve the common cultural problems in those regions, such as corruption. Unfortunately, it never really works out that way in the long term.

The Iranian people are just smart enough to know that welcoming Western megacorporate colonial oppression isn't the best solution to their "we have a sucky government" problem

That is nonsense beyond your bad history above. Corporations perform economic functions, not governing functions. They build trucks, mine ore, refine gasoline, can food, transport goods, run airlines, all that sort of thing. They don't elect governing legislative bodies, make laws, prosecute criminals, or make government policy. Economic activity versus government activity - they are different activities carried out by different groups in society. Although to truly prosper, a nation needs to get both activities right.

they've seen what partnering with America does to all the other countries we fuck over in the name of "economic liberalization".

It would be a shame if they turned out as well as Germany, Japan, Italy, South Korea, or various other countries, wouldn't it? Iraq would be in much better shape if Iran wasn't shipping arms to Iraqi Shia militias and using their Revolutionary Guards Quds Force (Special Forces) to stir the pot. That is part of the "sucky government" problem you refer to, and it bleeds over into other countries.

You're an ignorant condescending prick

I think you might be surprised to find out how big that club really is.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43881877)

Exactly. I do not understand, why people think Mossadegh was kind of hero. He, for example, dissolved the parliament and demand dictatorial powers. This is the problem with people nowadays. They are not critical. They believe whatever somebody that is a bit confident tells them without questioning them. Which is sad, and not something I expected of the internet generation. It can also be discussed. According to many sources, Iranian and western, the coup against Mossadegh failed and did not happen. Instead, it was the people who got fed up with his bullshit.

Re:Infiltrate! (2)

wmac1 (2478314) | about a year ago | (#43874753)

Oh boy....

How much do you know about a country which has 2.5 million university students (around 40,000 PhD candidates) and 11+ million university graduates and had a ranking of 17th in scientific products in 2011 (15th in 2012 ahead of Russia) : http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php?area=0&category=0&region=all&year=2011&order=it&min=0&min_type=it [scimagojr.com]

Last October when I visited Iran almost all of the middle class engineers I met had an iPhone, Galaxy S3 or something like that. Streets were full of modern cars as well as Iranian made cars (Iran produces 1.1 million cars a year). If you think they are in need of their bread and food then you are in huge mistake. Iran has a PPP of $13,000.

Not a fan of Iranian regime, but people need to educate themselves about these things before they open their mouth.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874811)

If you take away the commercial aspect, that is pretty much what they want to happen.

They want the Iranians to see that not everyone lives in a medieval theocracy. Also, they want people to see that the US is not their enemy and that their leaders are messing with them and denying them liberties they could be having.

The hope is that they will then see who the real enemy is: their own government.

Of course, the shiny trinkets thing is also a distinct possibility too.

Iran and the US have been friends in the past. Almost certainly they will be friends in the future. They may have divergent interests, but they aren't diametrically opposed as some would think.

Actually, there have been a number of attempts on the part of one side or the other to reconcile over the last 20 years or so. Unfortunately, they seem to get spoiled because some nutcase on the other side does something stupid that kills the attempt.

But if sex can reconcile people who've had a spat, money can reconcile countries.

Re:Infiltrate! (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43876105)

Considering we had a guy running for POTUS that was singing "Bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran" with a big shit eating grin on his face WTF does anyone here think Iran is gonna think of the USA? Not to mention the last time they had a democracy we murdered their leader and forced in the Shah so BP could get cheap oil on the backs and blood of all those murdered by our dear beloved puppet the Shah.

I wish those that just blindly wave the flag would take a look at the history of the CIA and US Military since the end of WWII, because honestly? Most of the time we have been the BAD GUYS. Let me put up a quote from a former general in the US Marines, see how much of this sounds familiar...

"I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."

Sound familiar? BTW how many of you know that Afghanistan has a mineral deposit so big it may end up being worth more than the Iraq oil fields? Sadly the USA doesn't do a damned thing because its "right" anymore, not unless some corp can exploit a place and make out like Gods.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about a year ago | (#43876997)

Not to mention the last time they had a democracy we murdered their leader and forced in the Shah so BP could get cheap oil on the backs and blood of all those murdered by our dear beloved puppet the Shah.

Your history is way off there. The so-called secular democracy in Iran at the point in question consisted solely of the former Prime Minister who had dissolved parliament, was ruling by decree indefinitely, faked an election, and resisted the sole remaining check on his power - the right of the constitutional monarch to dismiss the Prime Minister. What you refer to as "democracy" was a simple dictatorship at that point. The real coup in Iran was the Prime Minister overthrowing the government. The counter-coup was restoring the Shaw to power. Over time the Shaw was an ally of the West, not a puppet. Because of that alliance, Iran was trusted enough to be allowed to buy some of the most sophisticated weapons in the West. That almost became a huge problem after the Shaw fell. It would have been ugly indeed if it had been a few years later.

Let me put up a quote from a former general in the US Marines, see how much of this sounds familiar...

Your quote is apparently from Major General Smedley Butler, USMC, twice winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor. He was a good of a battlefield marine and commander as you would want. Outside of uniform the man was a fringe political crank. I would follow him anywhere on a battlefield, but nowhere near a voting booth.

BTW how many of you know that Afghanistan has a mineral deposit so big it may end up being worth more than the Iraq oil fields? Sadly the USA doesn't do a damned thing because its "right" anymore, not unless some corp can exploit a place and make out like Gods.

You aren't seriously suggesting that the US was wrong to attack Al Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9/11, are you? Do you really believe that US attack against the perpetrators of 9/11 and their protectors had anything to do with those mineral deposits (that I believe were discovered after the invasion)?

Why don't you check to see what portion of oil business the US has in Iraq. You might be surprised. (Hint: you are way off base.)

What corporation(s) do you think made out like gods when the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln assisted with relief operations [orlandosentinel.com] after Indonesia was hit by a tsunami?

I don't think it is a case of the US not doing anything because it's right so much as you prefer the explanations in the leftist media which seem to have a limited list of motivations for US actions that are often at least misleading if not in fact wrong.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43878283)

that I believe were discovered after the invasion

With respect to whatever you actually know of other topics, it's still not safe for mining exploration there and it was found decades ago (before 1980) by a Russian survey so you are very wrong in this case. What was new is a Russian company with the survey data attempting to do a deal with a US company so it came to the attention of the US press a few years ago.

As for your bits about Iran - no matter how flawed things were back then they haven't had anything better since.

Re:Infiltrate! (2)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43878975)

The Shah was a monster, just as nasty as Stalin was to his people and we honestly DID NOT CARE as long as big oil got to do what they want. I wish i could find another copy of the map showing CIA and US military "interventions" since WWII because there was MAYBE a dozen countries on the entire planet that the CIA or US Military hadn't fucked with, it was pretty sad to look at.

Ike tried to warn us about this in the 1950s, about the rise of the MIC and the megacorps buying the US military and CIA to use as pitbulls for their interests but we didn't listen, you look into the history of these countries that hate us...can you blame 'em? We haven't had a single decade of peace since the end of WWII, not one, we are always stirring up shit in this or that third world country.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43879077)

I wish i could find another copy of the map showing CIA and US military "interventions" since WWII

I'm still getting astounded by little bits of history resurfacing like CIA involvement in a bomb blast in Italy in 1969 - they really were completely out of control for a while.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43883197)

Its not astounding, its fucking scary and evil as hell. You start looking into the history of the US military and CIA after WWII and you'll find false flags, terrorist actions, including those in democracies like Italy, hell the CIA helped the Contras sell crack cocaine to the black neighborhoods in the 80s when the congress cut off funding to the Contra "rebels" after finding out about their rape and death squads which to this day I still believe those in the CIA that helped the Contras should face a firing squad for treason and attempted genocide, both in South America and upon the black inner cities who have yet to recover and who've lost thousands.

You have the Gulf of Tonkin false flag, 58,000 Americans dead and probably over a million in Vietnam and Laos, we can't get an exact figure because the millions of pounds in mines we dropped are still killing people there to this day, you have the execution [wikipedia.org] of an American civil rights activist by the FBI which to this day not a single charge has been filed, and you have shit like this happening to this very day such as fast & Furious which even some of the feds carrying it out said "it smelled like a false flag" and which has resulted in the death of at least one border agent and who knows how many civilians.

And the scariest part? the part that will make your blood run cold? this is only listing the shit we KNOW about and which they have ADMITTED to doing! Do you have any idea how little they fear the law to be fully willing to admit this kind of shit? since the end of WWII you have the CIA, FBI, and US military frankly running amok, didn't matter if it was in a friendly nation, hell didn't even matter if it was on US soil and targeted to Americans, just look at this map [decryptedmatrix.com] and remember that covers ONLY what we have documented evidence of, in many cases again from their very own mouths.

This is why I just can't understand those that act like the third world should embrace the USA with open arms, all it takes is one look at that map and you'll see exactly why they hate the USA, its because our CIA and military has been doing anything they want, usually hand in glove with a handful of special interests (like BP in Iran, Dole who wanted cheap fruit from South America, etc) and their choices have been do as they are told or their leaders will get replaced by puppets that will. No wonder they hate the USA.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43881851)

What? How was the Shah a monster? Do you know anything about the Shah, Iran or Iranian culture, Iranian traditions, Iranian history? I am willing to bet my life that you do not. I am confident hat yo are not even Iranian.

I bet you are one of those typical imperalist americans thinking USA is the greatest nation and the rest is shitty. What the hell do you know about the Shah? All you know is what your precious US media and government have told you.

How many Iranian books have you read, from Iranians who have lived during the Shahs time and know better than anyone?

How the hell was Shah a monster? The Shah made Iran from a shitty nation to a modern progressive nation. During his time Iran got a very awesome welfare protection system. Women got lots of freedom. Law and order established - after the the nation being split between different clans etc. What do you really know about Iran? Come on.... and it's not just you, but all these internet warriors who think they know best after reading on wikipedia.

I am not trying to be rude. I am just so damn disappointed - you guys got access to libaries these days, and INTERNET. Instead of being critical, open-minded, and using common sense .... it's all the opposite.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43881969)

Use that internet and find out what the Shah's secret police did to his enemies for one thing. He was a monster.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43884823)

You are supposed to give source for assumptions that you make. What did his secret police do to his enemies? I will have to correct you one matter though. If by secret police you mean SAVAK I am sorry to break it down to you but SAVAK was not 'secret' by any means. It was the national intelligence agency just like CIA/FBI and MI5/MI6 or any other intelligence agency in the world with the purpose of defending Iran.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43886825)

Fucking hell - what the hell do you think "secret police" means in fucking English? Of course I meant SAVAK and of course I meant the river of blood they spilled, and if people can't find out that information without a link they are not trying very hard.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43887903)

Were you in Iran at that time? Did you see SAVAK spill any blood? I am not saying they were saints. No intelligence agency in this world is, for example both CIA and SIS are very famous for their brutal operations and all the lives they have destroyed.

I am still waiting to know exactly how SAVAK spilled blood though. There is, sadly, a lot of FUD abot SAVAK, especially for foreigners. Have you forgotten that the winners write history?

Once again, do not misunderstand me. They were not saints, but no intelligence agency in the world is. My point is that SAVAK was not as bad as people are trying to make it look. Look at USA and the torture they do, sadly - people don't have balls to protest against inhumane conditions in their own country, but only in others that they don't know anything about, besides what media tells them. It's better to compare intelligence agencies that that time though, in the 70s. And don't get me wrong, two wrong doesn't make one right but people are way too harsh when it comes to SAVAK and not when it comes to their own....

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43901979)

It was all over the news for years and is undeniable.
Which raises the question here, what exactly is your motivation for such revisionism? Why are you pushing this line so hard in opposition to general knowlege and now history? What exactly is this revealing about your nature and morality?
There's a book called "Animal Farm" by George Orwell that has some messages for you presented in an unsubtle way.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43903005)

News is never, ever a good source sadly. Many things have been in the news, but the truth has later came out. Let me give you an example. During the revolution, someone locked the doors of a Cinema in Iran (Cinema Rex) and put it to fire. Everyone inside it died and they could not escape. Everyone blamed it on the Shah. Years years years later, despite "general knowledge" as you say, and despite news saying it was the Shah, it was revealed that it was in fact Islamists loyal to Khomeini and his clan that set it on fire. The fire on Cinema Rex heavly fueled the revolution and increased anger. But it's not only this. Throughout history, I am sure even you, I have seen things being general knowledge, history etc. and those who say it's otherwise they have been laughed at (you have probably read about the issue with the earth being round or flat, those who said it was round were humiliated and persecuted.) General knowledge does not mean that it has to be true. Why I am saying this? I want people to know the truth of everything. There are people out there who wants to spread bullshit about matters, and it's not only about this issue but many other as well. The winners write history, and so they have decided to write a history to their own liking. And I think you have probably understood that I believe that some people in west see the Shah was a bad guy. Note I said some and note I said west, because between Iranians many, and increasing, today look back to those days and think their parents did a stupid mistake. Animal farm should be for you and not for me. I am being critical and open minded, but you refuse to believe anything else other than what your media tells you. (actually - I don't want you to believe me, I want you to be open minded and study yourself. I want you to think that everything that is being said in this world by the loudest does not neccessarily have to be the truth).

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43903029)

Sorry, I messed up breaking up the text so I will repost it.



News is not always a good source sadly. Many things have been in the news, but the truth has later came out. Let me give you an example. During the revolution, someone locked the doors of a Cinema in Iran (Cinema Rex) and put it to fire. Everyone inside it died and they could not escape. Everyone blamed it on the Shah. Years years years later, despite "general knowledge" as you say, and despite news saying it was the Shah, it was revealed that it was in fact Islamists loyal to Khomeini and his clan that set it on fire. The fire on Cinema Rex heavly fueled the revolution and increased anger.

But it's not only this. Throughout history, I am sure even you, I have seen things being general knowledge, history etc. and those who say it's otherwise they have been laughed at (you have probably read about the issue with the earth being round or flat, those who said it was round were humiliated and persecuted.)

Another thing is for example the number of SAVAK agents. Generally 'everyone' thought it was around 60,000. But the truth is that it was more arond 6,000 to 8,000. But hey, remember, winners write history and if someone tires to challange it, people like you quickly try to put them down without being open minded. How many have tried in the past to explain about Cinema Rex Fire but got put down quickly because "no way man, you dumb, it's general knowledge, news said it, everyone said it, my mother his dad and their brother..."

General knowledge does not mean that it has to be true.

Why I am saying this? I want people to know the truth of everything. There are people out there who wants to spread bullshit about matters, and it's not only about this issue but many other as well. The winners write history, and so they have decided to write a history to their own liking. And I think you have probably understood that I believe that some people in west see the Shah was a bad guy. Note I said some and note I said west, because between Iranians many, and increasing, today look back to those days and think their parents did a stupid mistake.

Animal farm should be for you and not for me. I am being critical and open minded, but you refuse to believe anything else other than what your media tells you. (actually - I don't want you to believe me, I want you to be open minded and study yourself. I want you to think that everything that is being said in this world by the loudest does not neccessarily have to be the truth).

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43903953)

Why bother kid. Why not just say "don't trust anyone over twenty" and at least be honest about it.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43904031)

you have probably read about the issue with the earth being round or flat, those who said it was round were humiliated and persecuted

Funny really, but that's an extremely good example of revisionism done in the 19th century right there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#.22Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth.22_in_modern_historiography

Also piss off with your "winners write history" bullshit, since it's too recent to even be history and your cherrypicked example from when it was all over.
The Shah was a monster. Whether he was replaced by other monsters or not doesn't change that.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

lzm_ (2938135) | about a year ago | (#43905287)

In all of my text, all you can comment is that part? You didn't say anything about the other parts, because you don't want to change your mind. You are probably feeling uncomfortable now knowing that what your american sources are telling you might be wrong.

Winners do write history, two posts above you wrote that "history" says so - now it's too recent to be history? History does not have to 1000 years ago. What happened yesterday is history.

Do you even know what you are doing? You are so damn close minded and brainwashed it is unbelivable.

Cherrypick? If I show a source, it's cherrypicking. If I don't, then I am lying. What? There are thousands of examples like this. It's the same situation now.

The Shah was a monster, says the guy who knows nothing about Iran, Iranian culture, Iranian kings, Iranian people. Only thing you know is what you have read from media. The same media you insult in other posts for being biased, but when it comes to this - they must be true. Thanks for once again showing the imperalist ideas that exists in your nations, then you wonder why people dislike you. Always imperalists. Obiviously the Shah must have been a monster and USA is the greatest nation in the world - except that the real monsters are there day by day taking away your right.

For someone who is active on slashdot and on the internet I am really surprised how damn close minded you are. Especially considering how almost every thread contains info about how biased sources can be. Take care.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43902015)

Stupid revisionism by kids that don't know there's probably Iranian refugees from that time in their own home town aside, the major lesson to take home from Iran is that when you revolt against monsters you have to be really careful that you don't replace them with another.

Re:Infiltrate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43880853)

You aren't seriously suggesting that the US was wrong to attack Al Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan after 9/11, are you? Do you really believe that US attack against the perpetrators of 9/11 and their protectors had anything to do with those mineral deposits (that I believe were discovered after the invasion)?

Believe what you want, but the facts are that it was known that Afghanistan has huge mineral deposits, not to mention the strategic value of the oil pipeline that the Taliban refused.

Furthermore, I am amazed at just how completely some people have swallowed the "we went to war against Afghanistan because of 9/11" line when the Taliban had very little to do with Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda other than the fact that they happened to be in that country. The Taliban were not in any position to really do anything about it.

I bet you also think the US went to war against Iraq because of WMDs.

In any case, those of us who oppose American imperialism will ultimately have our views vindicated; America will bankrupt itself with these military expeditions, and implode. Instead of making friends with the 1/4 of the world's population that follows the Islamic faith, the US has made enemies of just about every single one of them by implementing an absurdly anti-Muslim foreign policy that is so transparent that even Fox News reporters have trouble describing it with a straight face.

It's a shame really. If the US founding fathers could comment on today's world, they would be ashamed of what America has become.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43883325)

Dude you better pray to whatever God you believe in that the USA don't go bankrupt, because the last time a highly nationalistic military leaning country went bankrupt it really didn't end too well for most of Eastern Europe.

The scary part is as we saw with the flimsy as hell WMD excuse it really don't take much to get Americans into a pro-war stance, as long as the press is beating that war drum and selling it the people WILL buy it. The way the ultra right has vilified South America honestly it wouldn't take much to get the people behind rolling the tanks and there is enough natural resources there to keep America going another half a century easy. Cook up a little false flag, blame it on the south of the border, sadly it really wouldn't be a hard sell, especially if America was going through another depression and resources were scarce.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43878013)

The above has been happening for a while. Now it's a bit of a race to see if the NBA loving younger generation gets into power before the geriatrics running the place get hold of nukes.
Iran is an interesting place politicially, more of an attempt to be benevolent but stifling "nanny state" than medieval, but most definitely a theocracy despite the bleatings of their loud idiot puppet president. Due to the vast majority of the population being young and control being currently in the hands of old men it's going to change in a major way some time in the next few years. Whatever it becomes I doubt they'll want to continue to live in a theocracy.

Re:Infiltrate! (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43875961)

We give them Internet connected devices. Then outsource our work to them. They become US. We become Them. This is why the Aliens gave us the technology in the first place.

translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43872945)

The Treasury Department wrote, 'As the Iranian government attempts to silence its people by cutting off their communication with each other and the rest of the world, the United States will continue to take action to help the Iranian people exercise their universal human rights, including the right to freedom of expression.'"

Translation: Some very powerful people with a lot of connections made us OK this.

a repressive Iranian government. (1)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about a year ago | (#43872975)

Change that to "a repressive government". No need for the US, of all places, to single out Iran, unless of course, you're trying to sell a war.

A Welcome Move (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873115)

As an Iranian I see this as a very positive development.

The computing technology sanctions were doing exactly what the Iranian regime wants, that is to prevent average Iranian from uncontrolled access to information. They filter the web, ban VPN services, limit home Internet access to a maximum of 128Kbps. When people are already sanctioned by their own government, better not to add to that.

Re:A Welcome Move (1)

nospam007 (722110) | about a year ago | (#43873449)

"As an Iranian I see this as a very positive development."

You'll get an iPhone while Apple gets all your money and will pay 2% taxes in Ireland.

Re:A Welcome Move (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873477)

...the Iranian regime limit home Internet access to a maximum of 128Kbps.

The year I graduated from high school the fastest connection my Commodore VIC-20 was capable of handling was 300 baud (300 bits per second or 0.3kbps in relative terms to the above quoted figure). There was a growing body of information available from many sources including various news services. The modern always-connected Internet is merely more convenient especially for the distribution of "media content".

Re:A Welcome Move (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43873645)

As an Iranian I see this as a very positive development.

The computing technology sanctions were doing exactly what the Iranian regime wants, that is to prevent average Iranian from uncontrolled access to information. They filter the web, ban VPN services, limit home Internet access to a maximum of 128Kbps. When people are already sanctioned by their own government, better not to add to that.

One thing that I'd be more than a trifle concerned about is exactly which American tech outfits are lining up to do some exportin'...

We certainly have some fine folks on Team Freedom; but we also have a massive list of spook shops and 'lawful intercept' outfits who are delightfully service oriented when it comes to assisting customers with achieving their compliance goals, so to speak...

I'm all for Iranian citizens getting tor and PGP and friends; but I wish them luck when their government responds by inking some sweet contracts with Palantir, and Bluecoat, and Sandvine, and their ilk...

Re:A Welcome Move (1)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about a year ago | (#43875355)

This particular order seems to continue banning export of that stuff because it's all commercial-grade, and possibly also banned by the lists of specific things from some other laws or orders, which I didn't read but are not superseded by this one.

How does this solve anything? (1)

Alarash (746254) | about a year ago | (#43873145)

I don't see how this solves anything. If the users can have access to VPN/encryption to communicate, the government can now also buy network devices with advanced features such as Deep Packet Inspection or Lawful Interception or Man in the Middle - anything Next Generation Firewall can do, or dedicated devices can do better. Since they are the government they can easily push their own certificates so you wouldn't even know they do MitM unless you look very closely (not many people do).

All of this is rather easily doable, the only cost is performance and scalability, and you only need to throw more money at this to solve these issues.

Re:How does this solve anything? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873289)

They already have those, as stated in another post. In fact, their MITM attacks are so sophisticated, certain attacks directed at specific targeted individuals have used certificates obtained (at considerable cost) via the compromise of certification authorities, if you recall - notably DigiNotar, although three others have been involved to date, one of which is widely-affiliated.

Re:How does this solve anything? (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about a year ago | (#43877247)

I was reading an opinion piece which I cannot find now, but they suggest that the reason is more or less to make throw away technology available to get around liabilities due to that kind of thing.

I guess the underlying root of this is that Iran had an election a few years ago where smart phones and wifi relays were used by people to contest the elections and report on what they seen. Trying to flood the market with cheap as well as expensive technology will make the government's job of sniffing on these activities that much harder. Plus throw away phones registered to fictional people can be easier to come by which makes it that much harder to catch those apposed to the government.

In short, they more or less say this move is more about promoting an Arab spring in Iran then anything else (even though Iran is mostly Persian). I tend to agree with this thought.

Of course they'll be bugged (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873167)

Hard not to believe they won't be bugged. As an Iranian citizen I'd just grin and bear it, and take an opportunity to learn about trojan codes if possible. The American analogy to this is to grin and bear it over cheap Chinese products, get scrap metal from two-year old appliances people leave at the curb, and perhaps make some things of your own with the really cheap machine tools they send us... like... machine tools that don't break down or contain toxic heavy metals.

Re:Of course they'll be bugged (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874269)

It's all fun and games until the other side find the key to the backdoor.

Blue Coat Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873225)

There are two sides to this coin.

The other one is that the censorship technology Iran uses is directly based on slightly out-of-date SmartFilter equipment from Secure Computing out of San Jose, California, and some instances of ProxySG software from Blue Coat Systems, also out of California. Secure Computing deny having licensed it to Iran and are claiming they are using it illegally. Blue Coat have not, to my knowledge been approached about their involvement, but would likely claim no knowledge as well. It is not within my own knowledge whether their positions are accurate reflections of reality or mere wilful blindness. It is clear that all the software used is now supported in-house, and they have created several rather exotic in-house modifications.

This change would potentially allow those two companies to actively support the Iranian censorship regime itself. That would be a profoundly negative consequence. (It may seem as though it disallows that, but the Government of Iran does not directly run the censorship regime, and operates through intermediaries, which allows those working for it to claim no knowledge.)

It is also unclear to me what effect this has on the export of cryptographic software - would this also affect the ITAR regulations, removing Iran from the list of countries it is not permitted to export US-produced/hosted cryptographic software to? (Not that people developing cryptographic software don't actively avoid the US anymore, after PGP and the many years of much stronger export controls there.) Clearly no communication software can be effectively private in Iran without strong encryption and quite possibly some form of steganographic protocol masking. That would make the point entirely moot: any unmasked traffic merely gives the authorities more to monitor.

Re:Blue Coat Censorship (1)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year ago | (#43873307)

Blue Coat will never be approached, as they sell their product to the US Government for use in many three-letter agencies. Either the US Government is forcing Blue Coat to have a back door, or the USG doesn't want Blue Coat to pull their license for 90% of government firewalls.

Re:Blue Coat Censorship (1)

reve_etrange (2377702) | about a year ago | (#43875433)

This change specifically continues the ban on commercial grade services or equipment and in particular does not supersede any specific bans from other orders or laws. In and of itself, it doesn't give a pass to Blue Coat et al.

for this to be effective... (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43873255)

They're going to have to allow the export of high-grade encryption to Iranian customers. Otherwise they're just inviting the regime in Tehran to oppress anyone who tries to use this technology for the purposes specified in the OP...

Re:for this to be effective... (1)

dbIII (701233) | about a year ago | (#43878325)

The high-grade encryption restriction stupidity did nothing other than push RSA offshore and prevent them from hiring US citizens for some tasks.

Iranian IT Correspondence (3, Funny)

Sparticus789 (2625955) | about a year ago | (#43873261)

To: Cisco
From: Iran
Subject: OMG HELP!
Body: Dear kind sirs of Cisco,
My name is Barrister Allahu Akbahara Salami Mozambique. I am trying to install your router system here in order to oppress my population in the name of Allah. However, I have been trying to change the root password for your switch. Whenever I try to telnet into it, the welcome message says "America, Fuck Yeah!" and plays a strange intro song. At the same time, all of the webcams, printers, faxes, document scanners go completely haywire and my network traffic spikes.

Also, I have a large inheritance that I believe is meant for you. Could you send me your bank account information so that I may deposit a sum of 89 billion rial ($18 US) into your account?

Yours in kind regards,
Barrister Allahu Akbahara Salami Mozambique

Re:Iranian IT Correspondence (3, Informative)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43873573)

I am trying to install your router system here in order to oppress my population ... the welcome message says "America, Fuck Yeah!"

Um, no, it's Cisco [wired.com] .

"We'll send you an invoice."

Re:Iranian IT Correspondence (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43876057)

75% licensing cost, 25% smartnet renewal?

So our rights are universal after all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873303)

Until we want to detain someone without trial and torture them, that is.

Less a political move than you'd expect (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873359)

Cisco's lobbying pays off.

Stux 2 and add potential eavesdropping capability? (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#43873383)

Stuxnet Part Deux and add potential eavesdropping capability?

Hmmm... One would think the ability to insert more eavesdropping and spying capabilties ("hidden features? :>) ) may be more the reasoning behind something like this. Perhaps another bonus gift inserted into the software, hardware, or microcode, like Stuxnet [wikipedia.org] did?

What about Cuba? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873487)

How does starving a 10 year old kid in Cuba help America? Seriously. Most of the people in Cuba today, living with US sanctions, weren't even alive during the revolution. Do US citizens get some sort of sick twisted feeling of satisfaction from this?

Re:What about Cuba? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43873647)

Do US citizens get some sort of sick twisted feeling of satisfaction from this?

"Blame the victim" is SOP in DC. Most Americans would prefer sugar in their Coke and premium cigars but they're too complacent to do anything about it. Neither the gang nor its subjects care much about the people of Cuba, though there are certainly exceptions.

Re:What about Cuba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873975)

The mob wants its casinos and plantations back. The mob has a longer memory than any administration or any corporation. So until they are satisfied, nothing will happen.

Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874191)

Part of the reason is the Cuban American Terrorists in the USA and their large political following in Florida. If you look into the history of it, you'll see that they have attacked (even bombed) people in the USA besides just blowing up airliners. Politicians here are not even safe. Some more conspiracy minded people think they were involved with JFK... The ones trained by the CIA are too old today so I'm not so sure they need to worry as much about the younger generation of cubian terrorists.

They get funding from organized crime; which lost all it's ties to Cuba after the revolution and Castro even tricked the USA taking in refugees by sneaking the criminals in with those refugees. The mob doesn't forget stuff; plus the CIA has connections to that mob as well (see the BBC doc 638 ways to kill Castro.) Mob money, political forces, and fear in Florida help perpetuate the irrational politics regarding Cuba. Then you just have to look at the children of the fanatics, who at least sound more fanatic than their parents; to no surprise, because the 1st gen of children of such movements often are much worse than the parents. 3rd generation might be a time to safely transition to sanity without much homegrown blow back. These people are so crazy they want to kill Castro even though he is old unhealthy and out of power - I expect them to be concocting plots to go deface Castro's grave or body for decades to come.

Re:What about Cuba? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874407)

How does starving a 10 year old kid in Cuba help America? Seriously. Most of the people in Cuba today, living with US sanctions, weren't even alive during the revolution. Do US citizens get some sort of sick twisted feeling of satisfaction from this?

If they live in Miami.

Re:What about Cuba? (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about a year ago | (#43875269)

Do US citizens get some sort of sick twisted feeling of satisfaction from this?

Most of them never think about it at all. Anymore than most Cubans think about traffic problems in Nashville (not to imply that there ARE traffic problems in Nashville - don't really know, since I haven't driven through Nashville in ten years) on a regular basis.

N00O0O0000O0O000O0O0O0O0000O (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873493)

What if they use this equipment to download american Movies...?

(Filter error: Too much repetition. Fuckyou, slashdot.)

Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43873579)

The Iranians already own Bell Labs

Subversion (1)

jazman_777 (44742) | about a year ago | (#43873905)

Just another USG subversion campaign. If you don't bend the knee to the USG-led globalist finance system, you are targeted. I wonder what color of Soros-funded "revolution" is coming soon to Iran?

Re:Subversion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43875987)

Haven't you heard? All the hip new global meddling projects have switched from subversion to git. Just look at any global financial leader to see the git.

Weapons of Mass Mis-information? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43874173)

Just a thought that comes to mind.

So, who gets to buy the stuff? Not the citizens.. (1)

Bearhouse (1034238) | about a year ago | (#43875589)

Well, now it's OK to sell " hardware and software that pertain to the Internet...basically, all things digital" I guess the flights to Iran will be full of salesmen.
Of course, big business will be taking care that the right stuff will not fall into the wrong hands, eh?
After all, look what happened last time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Contra_Affair#Indictments [wikipedia.org]
Oh wait, looks like they all got a presidential pardon...

Meanwhile, I'm sure that the regime in place will continue to control access to everything, and the chances of this trickling down to the populace are nil.
Better to get the CIA, USAID or whoever to dish out free stuff (satphones, encrypted laptops...) on the borders for smuggling in; compared to the billions we're pissing away in Iraq & AfPak, I'm sure the "coalition" could spare some millions for that.

I'm sure with Lawful Intercept capability (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43876803)

If the equipment has lawful intercept capability I would think that it would make it much easier to monitor and control communications: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception

OPERATION ENDURING FALSE FLAG (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43883735)

Dear Sheeple, this message is sponsored by General Atomics - killing innocents since 2001 - and Lockheed Martin - excellence in lethal pork.

It will condition you for the next war. You will have a good feeling until your son dies in some hot place in Persia. But hey, that's how the American Empire Works !

@Censor: Thanks little rodent. Thanks for being part of Killing People For Money And Apartheid

BlueCoat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43893899)

They just wanted to be able to export legally the 171 BlueCoat appliances that are already installed and have been used in Iran for months/years to help the local government's DPI on its people... What about the 34 that are installed in Syria ? Are these legal exports too ?

http://reflets.info/bluecoat-tu-vas-avoir-du-mal-avec-ton-spanous-171-appliances-en-iran-34-en-syrie/

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