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2013 Nominees For Hobby Gaming's Top Prize

timothy posted about a year ago | from the no-type-inference dept.

Games 29

An anonymous reader writes "The thirteenth annual Diana Jones Award for Excellence in Gaming has five contenders: Wil Wheaton's "Tabletop" YouTube video series; the massive history of gaming book Playing at the World ; the Metatopia gaming convention where designers pay for access to alpha gamers; the romance-genre card game Love Letter ; and the RPG Dog Eat Dog in which players explore the dynamics of colonialism. When it comes to this award, typically all of the nominees are worth checking out."

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Love Letter fantastic game (0)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#43886867)

I've been playing it as a waiting game. My sister and I were walking around Toronto for Burger Week today and while waiting for our food we played Love Letter. it honestly doesn't work AS well with just two players but it's an surprisingly fun game to play considering it's so light. It's about $14 CAD and I would happily recommend it to any fan of gaming sight unseen. With such a small investment you'll get your money's worth out of it quite easily.

Re:Love Letter fantastic game (0)

excelsior_gr (969383) | about a year ago | (#43887831)

I found it intriguingly interesting, but judging from its website, it doesn't allow for homosexuality, since only men may court the princess. Lame. And why did princess Annette lock herself in the palace anyway? Is she sexually frustrated or something?

Re:Love Letter fantastic game (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43888871)

You can pretend that an asshole is something that should naturally be used for sex but you can't make believe a little plastic character in a game is whoever you want it to be?

Re:Love Letter fantastic game (1)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#43893141)

I found it intriguingly interesting, but judging from its website, it doesn't allow for homosexuality, since only men may court the princess. Lame. And why did princess Annette lock herself in the palace anyway? Is she sexually frustrated or something?

assuming your being literal and serious it's not really an issue. The game does come with a great deal of story there's a bloody chapter of fiction in the little booklet and detailed character descriptions. That said the story is superfluous to the game itself. It's fun but it in no way affects the game itself. You can see this in the numerous Love Letter custom mods. Last month someone made an animal crossing version [reddit.com] . The princess and the romance don't actually come into the gameplay.

That said there's nothing in the game that prevents you from playing it with homosexual characters. While that has no appeal to me you could play princesses courting another princess and it would literally not change the game at all. The prince seeking the court is the player not one of the cards. (The Prince card is not a courting prince but her brother who carries your message)

As to the question of why she's locked away in the first place. The instruction narrative explains this. It has to do with other games set in the same universe (Specifically Courtier). If I recall she's locked away because her mother, the Queen, was arrested for treason or something like that. It doesn't matter because it isn't important. The gameplay is fun, solid and quick. The theme while fun has literally no bearing on the game. You really could retheme it completely out of a story.

Let me get this correct (2)

Nyder (754090) | about a year ago | (#43886927)

Metatopia gaming convention, where the developers pay to access alpha gamers and where alpha gamers pay to access alpha products. Sounds like whomever is throwing the convention is raking in all the money.

Re:Let me get this correct (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43887921)

You think arranging a convention is free?

Re: Let me get this correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43888411)

That's simply not true, and indicates real ignorance about the cost and time and effort of running any convention. Practically nobody in tabletop gaming ever gets to a point of "raking in the money".

The convention in question is absolutely fucking fantastic, that said.

Re: Let me get this correct (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43888893)

Well unless your Games Workshop.

Re: Let me get this correct (1)

Avonelle (2938683) | about a year ago | (#43890447)

3 "raking in the money" is the funniest thing I've read all month. thank you for the giggle.

WHEATOOOOOON!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43886967)

Is what Wil Wheaton did really any good, or is he there simply because he's a c list celebrity?

Re:WHEATOOOOOON!!! (1)

slaker (53818) | about a year ago | (#43887143)

It's genuinely enjoyable. I suggest the "Formula D" or "Gloom" episodes to get a taste of the experience, but when I found the series I binged and watched them all in a single afternoon. And then went out and bought $150 worth of games. It's been fundamental in my efforts to start a real-live gaming group, since the reaction to new episodes of TableTop has absolutely been one where one of my friends shows up with the thing from the most recent episode at our next outing. King of Tokyo and Once Upon a Time were both present at my last game night and no one even mentioned them at any of our earlier meetings.

Anyway, Wil Wheaton is infectiously enthusiastic about the games he's playing. Tabletop is truly more compelling than about 95% of the stuff that can be found on TV.

Re:WHEATOOOOOON!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890059)

I'm the guy you replied to. Very interesting. I am going to check it out.

Re:WHEATOOOOOON!!! (2)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#43887325)

It's genuinely enjoyable. I suggest the "Formula D" or "Gloom" episodes to get a taste of the experience, but when I found the series I binged and watched them all in a single afternoon. And then went out and bought $150 worth of games.

I agree that TableTop has been rather influential. I would however suggest maybe Pandemic [youtube.com] or Ticket to Ride [youtube.com] as a starting episode. I found Formula D to be rather dull game by that video.

TableTop's success could be attributed to Wheton's celebrity but regardless of how I think you can't deny the shows influence. It has turned a lot of us to board games. I actually got turned on to board games and THEN TableTop but I think the show is a major reason why I'm keen to keep playing board games (no offense to my group)

Our Hobbies are Actually the Same (3, Insightful)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43886993)

"Hobby Gaming" -- I understand the desire to make the distinction between video games and games that are not video games, but "Hobby Gaming" sounds like a futures market for hedging bets against folks with hobbies... Gaming their Hobbies.

I've always considered them all to just be games. I mean, I frequently paper mock-up the video games to see if they'll be fun and work out some logic kinks before creating an actual digital prototype. Many turn based strategy games start their lives resembling "Hobby Gaming", even in a playable state before being implemented in cardstock & pewter, or digitally with a video game engine. When I was a kid I would dream up new enemies and levels for Mario and tape together dozens of sheets of graph paper on my wall... I would take a paper cutout and "play" the levels -- "You put the string on where his feet are, then you can only jump as high as the string is long" Some of these paper levels had "teleporters" (go to page 4 [13,42] ), or rules that listed you couldn't go backwards... That was when PC game making was somewhat of a black art. Learning the the voodoo coding rituals without any instruction was hard (before the Internet), and I guess I didn't learn about how other folks came up with "game designs" so I used a paper based rapid prototyping system (and still do). In a FPS, each room can be "rendered" as a top-down 3rd person game on paper, and a string used to determine a "line of sight", or a grenade throw distance. You can get a good handle on approximately how the movement will flow through the level in about 5 minutes rather than spending hours in a 3D modeling suite... Need to reconfigure part of the map? Scissors and tape are faster than redrawing the lines.

What some call "Hobby Games" or "Video Games" are all just "Games" to me. Here's a GDC video about the action platformer Shadow Complex [gdcvault.com] , Skip to 10:40 to see how the first "build" of the game was basically just made with digital graph paper, and just like a table top game they manually had to move the pieces to play it in that state... and it was fun! (so they say; I can only vouch for the end results, which are pretty fun). Computers can just move the pieces for you and keep track of more rules than a non-digital game can typically afford. That's the way I see it, anyway.

I think Table Top series should win. It's great to see what some of the various games are, and how they're played before picking them for game night. It's gotten some of my digital only gamer friends to broaden their horizons a bit too.

Re:Our Hobbies are Actually the Same (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43887421)

Tabletop RPGs are different though, there's a human element in the GM that computers can't mimic.

Re:Our Hobbies are Actually the Same (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43893761)

Human GMs aren't exclusive to tabletop RPGs, though. For example, Neverwinter Nights [wikipedia.org] 's multiplayer allows for a human GM to control the action. Certainly not exactly the same experience, but I get the GP's point that video games and tabletop games are just two different ways to do games. I've definitely noticed that as I've gotten more into tabletop games: in video games the computer can handle all of the rules for you, but in tabletop games everything is visible so everyone knows exactly how all of the rules work. (There's certainly other pros/cons as well.)

Re:Our Hobbies are Actually the Same (1)

patriciacurtis (920142) | about a year ago | (#43887961)

Hobbies also suggest that they are not developed by professionals so the list should be even shorter. How crap do you have to make your stuff to become a hobby game? What if an someone like me makes makes a game and makes money does it stop being a hobby? or vice versa, what if I make games all day every day and make no money am I Indie or hobby?

Re:Our Hobbies are Actually the Same (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a year ago | (#43888643)

Calling it the "hobby" is a very GW thing to do probably trying to TM the term

Annoyed by award shows (3, Interesting)

GoodnaGuy (1861652) | about a year ago | (#43887097)

Am I the only one who gets annoyed by the endless award shows that get thrown at us endlessly in the media nowadays? Dont people realize that a lot of them are advertising in disguise? If some eminent games designer or whatever thinks a game is good he can write an editorial telling us all about it or a review. Ithink I'll make up my own games award, Probably know one will pat attention to it but then that will be because I dont have the money to promote it or have the right connections rather than not knowing anything about games.

Re:Annoyed by award shows (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | about a year ago | (#43887371)

If you can come up with as good a name as Diana Jones then good luck with your awards.

Re:Annoyed by award shows (1)

PsyMan (2702529) | about a year ago | (#43887457)

I propose the AC platinum green gold award for AC posting to a TLDR reply, where is my best red carpet frock.

what does that even mean? (3, Insightful)

Osgeld (1900440) | about a year ago | (#43887523)

"Hobby Gaming" its gaming, its a freaking hobby, your not getting up at 6am to drive an hour to game every single day for years on end ... you game to relax with your buddies as a fucking hobby!

Re:what does that even mean? (1)

HBBisenieks (2884173) | about a year ago | (#43918019)

The term arose to distinguish games like Settlers or Munchkin from traditional, mainstream games like Monopoly or anything else that would normally show up on a family game night.

This isn't gaming's top award. (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43887551)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiel_des_Jahres [wikipedia.org]

Spiel des Jahres is board gaming's top award. Geared towards Euro-style games, Speil is like the Hugo of game awards and winners print gladly print the logo on their boxes. (Somtimes excessively, like Ticket to Ride which has the Spiel logo on every side of the box.)

I've never heard of this award show, so I bet the submitter is in the marketing department of said show.

In other news (0)

Hentes (2461350) | about a year ago | (#43887763)

Apples won this year's Fruit Award, coming slightly ahead of oranges.

OGABAS (1)

tmjva (226065) | about a year ago | (#43889705)

I place my bets on Otto Schmidt's OGABAS system. (Oh My God, Anything But A Six!). Later this month I'll play his "Jayne's Frightening Ships" at an invitation-only Mini-Con, (no vendors.)

thanks a lot! (1)

asjk (569258) | about a year ago | (#43890589)

Now I've lost an hour watching Wil Wheaton's TableTop. Seriously, it was delightful. Funny thing is I saw his picture on the website (my first time seeing him in a while) and wondered why I was looking at Fawkes--a character, I was surprised to find out, he played in The Guild.

Re:thanks a lot! (1)

thewolfkin (2790519) | about a year ago | (#43893157)

Now I've lost an hour watching Wil Wheaton's TableTop. Seriously, it was delightful. Funny thing is I saw his picture on the website (my first time seeing him in a while) and wondered why I was looking at Fawkes--a character, I was surprised to find out, he played in The Guild.

wait till you get to the "Ticket to Ride" episode.. that one is just.... well let's just say delightful. I'm not sure I've ever laughed at anything that hard on YouTube

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