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Turkish PM: "To Me, Social Media Is the Worst Menace To Society."

timothy posted about a year ago | from the with-enemies-like-that dept.

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PolygamousRanchKid writes "Turkey's prime minister on Sunday rejected claims that he is a 'dictator,' dismissing protesters as an extremist fringe even as thousands returned to the landmark Istanbul square that has become the site of the fiercest anti-government outburst in years. With Turkish media otherwise giving scant reports about the protests, many turned to social media outlets for information on the unrest. 'There is now a menace which is called Twitter,' Erdogan said. 'The best examples of lies can be found there. To me, social media is the worst menace to society.' 'The people are finally standing up, speaking up and fighting for their rights,' said Hakan Tas, a deputy for the Left Party in Berlin's local assembly, who took part in the protest."

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Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890871)

Dictators don't like free speech for many reasons. Someone else would do a better job of listing them than me.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890907)

Technically he's not a dictator, just trying to take the next step to become one.

Islamist hating free speech, news at 11. (3, Insightful)

sanman2 (928866) | about a year ago | (#43891459)

And the next step beyond dictatorship will be a Caliphate

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (5, Informative)

Luckyo (1726890) | about a year ago | (#43891505)

He's not a dictator in any sense. A majority of Turks are very clearly supportive of him. There is very little doubt about this.

The issue here is the conflict between the urban and rural folks in Turkey. Rural areas are not really developed, thickly populated and essentially exist in conditions that modern urban dweller would find atrocious, similar to those found in early 1900s. But to them, that is normal existence and all they know. Also to them islam is the way of life, like christianity was a way of life to farmers of late early 1900s in USA. These people will vote for islamic parties and they are in a clear majority in Turkey. As a result, every attempt to institute democracy in Turkey led to rise of islamist movements. Western dogma has for long been suppression of democratic movement in order to prevent this through installation of various dictators.

Essentially Turkey is going through the same thing that Arab Spring nations went through, but instead of requiring a military/rebellious deposition of installed leaders, they succeeded in stripping power from the guardian of secular society (army) via democratic legislative process after a few tries.

The people protesting are the urban minority who learned to enjoy the pleasures of secular Turkey that doesn't exist outside large cities. Ergodan is representing his constituents in his actions, as a democratic leader should.

That is the reality of democracy: it's the image of the people. If most voting people of the nation are rural farmers that live in a strict religious society, then democracy will eventually evolve into society that favors them over everyone else unless certain safeguards are in place to prevent this. Because in its core, democracy is nothing but dictatorship of majority.

And in Turkey, majority is currently clearly calling the shots and wants secular elements of society that it views as degenerate removed.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890913)

He's not a dictator. He is just sort of an asshole--kinda like Bush. The democratic process can still remove him. Turkey isn't falling towards a dictatorship. It is almost a member of the EU, for fuck's sake.

Let me guess, you're an American who doesn't know shit in the world outside of your borders? Not every Muslim country is a dictatorship.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43891217)

No, just most of them.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1)

terjeber (856226) | about a year ago | (#43891451)

Not every Muslim country is a dictatorship

Most of them are, and Erdogan is trying to follow the lead of the other dictators and make Turkey a dictatorship. Thankfully there is the Turkish army, which is famously sektarian and weary of muslim extremists. Hopefully Erdogan will be "dissappeared" soon.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1)

sanman2 (928866) | about a year ago | (#43891467)

Erdogan already took care of any disloyal generals by putting them in jail. They're the ones who are disappearing. That's pretty well known.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890951)

Dictators don't like free speech for many reasons. Someone else would do a better job of listing them than me.

To be fair he does have a point. Social media has managed to do something the CIA,KGB,MI5, et. al. and their predecessors have not managed to do in over a century of trying. To get the citizens to air the most intimate details of their private lives on a medium of the CIA,KGB,MI5, etc's choosing.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890975)

You mean islamic dictator ... Turkey has been a secular country since Ataturk, the people see this moron trying to re-islamicise them and don't want to give their freedoms up. The islamic leaders know that the inevitable outcome of freedom means that their influence wanes - they them try to brutalise the people back into line... hardline islamic scum - the biggest threat to world peace that there is

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1, Flamebait)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about a year ago | (#43891275)

The greatest threat to world peace is and has been the USA. Sure, the US isn't going around blowing up its own people, instead it prefers to play drone target-practice with civilians in Pakistan, create mass chaos if people grow plants (drug wars) and invade other countries just for the hell of it (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.). While undoubtedly Islamic dictators are bad people, I wouldn't say that they're the biggest threat to world peace since most of their brutality starts and ends within their own country while the US has managed to screw up peace in several regions by trying to act like the world's policeman.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (-1, Flamebait)

sanman2 (928866) | about a year ago | (#43891495)

Don't forget Clinton bombing Serbia at the urging of the baying Left-wing mobs. It's the Left - including the American Left - who are the greatest threats to world peace. Today Democrats cry "Invading Iraq is warmongering aggression!" but 20+ years ago, they were sneering at Bush Sr for being "too much of a wimp to invade Iraq" and then after he re-election loss later gloating that "Saddam kept his job while Bush didn't". For those of us who don't have a 30-second memory span like the amnesiacs on the Left, their hypocrisies are plain for anyone to see.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#43891503)

Because the Serbs were oh so innocent.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891541)

Your stone-age Islamists lit up the fire that destroyed Yougoslavia. Thank god they now made Boston their battlefield. Maybe you Americans finally smoke out the source of all that shit - your "Ally" Saudi-Wahabistan.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#43891575)

Ah good, a Serb appears to explain their conduct in the Balkans. As usual its everyone else's fault.

Re:Dictator hating free speech, news at 11. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891539)

Nice reinvention of history you're trying there.

To me... (4, Insightful)

AliasMarlowe (1042386) | about a year ago | (#43890875)

For me, Ergodan sounds likes a real menace to turkish society.

Re:To me... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890957)

Islamic, is he not ... little more needs to be said about the moron.

Re:To me... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890967)

Attacking the man rather than the message. Fail!

Re:To me... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891015)

Religious, and therefote not to be trusted on ANYTHING .. if he said that it was sunny outside, I'd check based on his religious nature. All religions are evil - his is the absolute worst.

Re:To me... (3, Interesting)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43890977)

He was once jailed for opposing religious extremism (albeit somewhat crudely), ended a war with the Kurds by enacting laws encouraging tolerance, opposes the Syrian regime, and improved relations with Greece. Turkey is bizarro land: the conservatives are interested in relatively secular Westernization, and the force of change it opposes is religious. Even if he's forceful or brutish, I think most people here would actually support him.

Re:To me... (1)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43891037)

...nevermind; total mixed bag. Still, he's done a couple things right.

Re:To me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891191)

Considering religion, what we read in the media is quite the opposite of what you are saying. In western media, we read that Ergodan is more or less for the islamization of Turkey. For example, he said he will build the new mosque no matter what.

Re:To me... (2)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43891579)

I apologise for saying that actually; I misread what appeared to be a criticism of radical Islam but was actually an even more extreme endorsement of it:

He was given a ten-month prison sentence (of which he served less than four months, from 24 March 1999 to 27 July 1999)[19] for reciting a poem in Siirt in December 1997, which, under article 312/2 of the Turkish penal code was regarded as an incitement to commit an offense and incitement to religious or racial hatred.[20] It included verses translated as "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers...."[8] The aforementioned verses, however, are not in the original version of the poem. The poem was from a work written by Ziya Gökalp, a pan-Turkish activist of the early 20th century.[5] Erdoan claimed the poem had been approved by the education ministry to be published in textbooks.[21] With the conviction, Erdoan was forced to give up his mayoral position. The conviction also stipulated a political ban, which prevented him from participating in parliamentary elections. He completed his sentence on 24 July 1999.

It sounds like a condemnation, but was actually in support of such things.

That all being said, his other policy stances are sufficiently strong that there are apparently many conservatives who support him, but don't fall for the "these are minority groups who are just mad democracy didn't take their side" shtick: he got 34% of the vote, resulting in more than a two-thirds parliamentary majority. Sounds like some serious gerrymandering to me.

Re:To me... (1)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43891237)

Thats what happens when your a country who serves as the gateway between modern, progressive, secular and enlightened thought, and backward, conservative, theocratic, & medieval thought.

Re:To me... (3, Interesting)

Samantha Wright (1324923) | about a year ago | (#43891597)

Pretty much, although note that the Turkish definitions of "conservative" and "liberal" are almost opposites of the values implied by such labels in the US. The Turks are trying to conserve their secular, inclusionist democracy.

Re:To me... (5, Insightful)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about a year ago | (#43891023)

He's just saying aloud what a lot of world leaders are thinking.

The internet has created a revolution in information dispersment. No longer do the the Powers That Be have a lock on the news. Even before the Internet, of course, people could bypass the regime's total control of the media (e.g., Soviet samizdats) but even then distribution issues limited how widely alternate views could be spread. Now, thanks to the Internet, it is cheap and easy for anyone to post information onto the internet, and even easier for other people to read it. This isn't without its own problems - both in the flood of available knowledge and the lack of fact-checking - but on the whole it has radically challenged how regimes control what their populace knows and thinks. And this frightens them incredibly.

Ergodan is just voicing what many other rulers - be they third-world dictators or first-world politicians - believe in their hearts. If they had their way, they'd roll things back to the 1980s, before the Internet revolution threw everything into flux.

Re:To me... (1)

auric_dude (610172) | about a year ago | (#43891111)

Going the way of Egypt, but what or who will follow if and when he falls?

Re:To me... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891347)

He's an Agent Of Wahabism and you better get rid of him quickly. Or have your sister being put under a black potato sack.

just let them have the park! (1, Redundant)

hxnwix (652290) | about a year ago | (#43890887)

Forget the plans to replace the park (the last remaining public park with trees in the city) with yet another shopping mall. That's all the protesters want! It's all over real estate developers wanting to bulldoze a park.

JUST LET THEM HAVE THE PARK!

Re:just let them have the park! (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43890945)

I have to wonder who green-lighted the plan in the first place. Especially in the summer heat, it's not the sort of city where you find yourself going "Damn, this place is plagued by trees, where can I find a good, soothing mall?"

Re:just let them have the park! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43891465)

I have to wonder who green-lighted the plan in the first place. Especially in the summer heat, it's not the sort of city where you find yourself going "Damn, this place is plagued by trees, where can I find a good, soothing mall?"

the pr.. the dic.. the PM probably saw someone drinking with a blonde in the park..

Re:just let them have the park! (1)

rvw (755107) | about a year ago | (#43890983)

Forget the plans to replace the park (the last remaining public park with trees in the city) with yet another shopping mall. That's all the protesters want! It's all over real estate developers wanting to bulldoze a park.

JUST LET THEM HAVE THE PARK!

GIve them a finger, and they'll take an arm! A real dictator cannot give in. They stepped on his penis, now he needs to show his power. He doesn't give shit about that park. Democracy is just like a busline for him. I don't remember the proper quote, cannot find it, but it's all about playing along till the right station comes along. Hopefully the Turkish people realize that it's still possible to throw him out?!

Re:just let them have the park! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891311)

That bus had departed when the Army got shafted by him. Imagine the Turkish Army being investigated by some sleazy politico-bag instead of the politico being thrown into prison ? Yeah, that was the end. Now eat shit, my dear Turks.

Re:just let them have the park! (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43891461)

but then they have won.

but you know something about social media? there's so many people now who don't read news unless they're on social media as well. it's kinda sad and ridiculous.
but well shown over the weekend when I've seen 20+ posts about how big media is supposedly having a blackout on the turkish protests.

they are not. it's the number 1 international story right now. even fox news has articles about it and everywhere else it's front page stuff.

We should all be so lucky... (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about a year ago | (#43890891)

Is this magical alternate reality where twitter is the most menacing issue of the day accepting applications? It must be pretty nice to have solved so many actual problems!

American News Outlets... (3, Insightful)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about a year ago | (#43890925)

Near-revolution brewing in an American ally, and nearly zero mention on the home pages of CNN, Fox or MSNBC.

We now return you to the Kardashians. Sigh.

Re:American News Outlets... (4, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about a year ago | (#43890963)

Near-revolution brewing in an American ally, and nearly zero mention on the home pages of CNN, Fox or MSNBC.

I think you answered your own implied question. Turkey is a designated Good Guy, and therefore this can't possibly be that important. Until and unless they become a designated Bad Guy (which can happen very quickly) in which case this will immediately become a Vital Struggle For Freedom against the Worst Dictatorship In Human History.

Re:American News Outlets... (5, Insightful)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#43891137)

As extra information: going from designated Good Guy to designated Bad Guy does not need any change or adaption from the designated Guy. It just kinda happens.

Re:American News Outlets... (1)

ianare (1132971) | about a year ago | (#43891377)

I seriously doubt Turkey will be made into a bad guy. They're a NATO member and the only muslim majority country in the region with a healthy economy and political stability. They are also a needed conter-weight to Iran and are crucial in resolving the civil war in Syria. Never mind that Erdogan was democratically elected.

Re:American News Outlets... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891569)

As long as you strongly suck Jewish Balls, America will be fiercly loyal to you. Think of the Shah and Mubarak. Or the Tyrant-King of Saudi-Terroristan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Early_life_and_education

Re:American News Outlets... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891581)

s/unless they become a designated Bad Guy/unless they discover a new oil reserve under their land/

This is a viral marketer honeypot. Downvotes=proof (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891005)

The problem is that you expect it. When you should know that the enemy, the one stomping revolutions, the one owning the government, and the one owning those TV stations, is the same damn group of people!

You don't go to Hitler TV when you want news about Jews suffering in concentration camps, do you?

Nowadays, "news" means Slashdot, Reddit and other blogs and aggregators.
Sadly, they also are overrun by the industry, pushing their designed realities into everything.

Try criticizing the Content Mafia on Reddit. Try mentioning the imaginary property scheme by said (legalized) organized crime. The dumbfucks still think the whole Nutella and Nokia things were just memes instead of targeted viral advertising. Let alone the Avengers campaign. Hell, I'll very likely get downvoted by said types in 3... 2... 1...

Re:This is a viral marketer honeypot. Downvotes=pr (1)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about a year ago | (#43891229)

"Nowadays, "news" means Slashdot, Reddit and other blogs and aggregators.
Sadly, they also are overrun by the industry, pushing their designed realities into everything."

True story..

Re:American News Outlets... (1)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#43891109)

Just to be sure I checked the Internationaland Europe homepages of CNN and yes, this news is on top.

Re:American News Outlets... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891149)

Second story on CNN's world news page: For a third day, police, protesters clash in Turkey [cnn.com]

Second story on MSNBC's world news page (and shows up on their front page too): Tear gas, pepper spray fired at youths as thousands riot in Turkey [nbcnews.com]

These stories are getting mentioned, mixed in between problems in Egypt and worse problems in Syria. It is not like they are hiding or downplaying such news. At worst, they are simply not spoon feeding you such news, instead concentrating on some other serious issues in the world.

Re:American News Outlets... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891291)

After fueling a deadly civil war in Syria, the Turks get some taste of their own medicine !

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk is quoted as "peace at home, peace abroad". The Islamist brought war to Syria and reaps war at home. Justice at last !

Re:American News Outlets... (1)

silviuc (676999) | about a year ago | (#43891433)

Well, the US gov. sure liked the Egyptian dictator too. At least they are consistent...

IT IS ON THE MEDIA FUCKING NIMBWITS (3, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43891487)

Near-revolution brewing in an American ally, and nearly zero mention on the home pages of CNN, Fox or MSNBC.

We now return you to the Kardashians. Sigh.

front page of cnn.
front page of bbc.

picture galleries on foxnews. THIS IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING LIE OF THE WEEKEND! THAT THE MEDIA WASN'T COVERING IT! THEY FUCKING ARE!!
the only place where they aren't covering it as much is inside turkey, though even there pm has made statements about it to media.

you know what happens? dimwits read on social media that it's not reported and they don't even fucking check the news! because they don't read the news!

Re:American News Outlets... (-1, Offtopic)

terry800 (2938733) | about a year ago | (#43891563)

just as Jennifer responded I am surprised that some one can get paid $9476 in 1 month on the internet. have you seen this web link ..>>www.jam30.m

Re:American News Outlets... (-1, Offtopic)

terry800 (2938733) | about a year ago | (#43891591)

just as Jennifer responded I am surprised that some one can get paid $9476 in 1 month on the internet. have you seen this web link ..>>www.jam30.com

Ah, correction, it is to YOU (1)

gweihir (88907) | about a year ago | (#43890931)

As and deceiver with thirst for power finds out, knowledge and information is the enemy. No surprise.

Dammit... (4, Funny)

ArcadeNut (85398) | about a year ago | (#43890933)

Now I have to like Twitter :(

If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (5, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about a year ago | (#43890939)

... he'd have had support from a substantial portion of the Slashdot readership.

Re:If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (1)

Longjmp (632577) | about a year ago | (#43890965)

If only he'd said "Facebook" ...

I know you are joking, but he wants to silence free speech and people spreading it.
Maybe even slashdotters would vote for facebook in this case.

Re:If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (1)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | about a year ago | (#43891001)

Maybe even slashdotters would vote for facebook in this case.

Quite seriously, given the virulent hatred many /.ers seem to have for FB, I wouldn't count on it.

Re:If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891101)

Let me poke your bare asshole! I demand that you let me do so! I demand it! I command you to let me poke your anus! Why do you cower? I'm the one on the moral high horse here, not you! Why do you insist on discriminating against that which you derive pleasure from!? You shall not cower!

Re:If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (0)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about a year ago | (#43891231)

Yet you probably have a Facebook account.

Re:If only he'd said "Facebook" ... (0)

auric_dude (610172) | about a year ago | (#43891249)

Trending or what?

Twitter really is a menace (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43890969)

For leaders of restrictive governments, not for society.

Re:Twitter really is a menace (0)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about a year ago | (#43891239)

What twat would mod that comment down?

Every society... (5, Interesting)

Eirenarch (1099517) | about a year ago | (#43890981)

Every society that can be destroyed by social media should be.

Re:Every society... (4, Insightful)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#43891361)

That means every society. Mass media is tied to mass manipulation too. No country is safe from it, sometimes is their government that does it, sometimes the private sector (from advertising agencies to big corporations), and sometimes foreign government agencies. Why waste soldiers if you can make people from the target country do the dirty work for you? Look what keeps happening in most middle east countries for a practical example.

And if you think the US people is safe from that kind of manipulation, or that only follow what is good for them, remember Boston.

Re:Every society... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891401)

Muhhahahaha.

You imported your own sort of terrorism from Chechnya. It was grown there by Saudi-Wahabist money. Money which was first accumulated in the nice tyranny-kingdom of Saudi-Women-Slay-Dead-Dont-Go-To_Jail-Ia.

The Saudis bribed both George Bushes into compliance and you Americans now get the rightful payback for being governed by corrupt CIA operatives and their retared son. Nothing to do with "social media". All to do with the unchecked propagation and financing of terror by your nice ally Saudi-Arabia !

Re:Every society... (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43891477)

Every society that can be destroyed by social media should be.

B-but? Isn't that all of them? Moderation is key.... I would revise the statement in the light I think you meant it:
Any power hierarchy that can be destroyed by factual information should be.

Yeah... (1)

Greyfox (87712) | about a year ago | (#43890989)

Dictators don't like it when people can communicate.

Re:Yeah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891271)

Jews,
This is one more of your Wahabist "allies" showing his real face. Eliminate Syria and Iran and then be surrounded by the nastiest form of Islam that every existed !

@censor: Little rodent, you.

Twitter a menace? (5, Funny)

Anarchduke (1551707) | about a year ago | (#43891007)

Ha, wait till he visits 4chan

Me too (1)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | about a year ago | (#43891019)

Obviously for different reasons.

It creates zombies.

Re:Me too (1)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about a year ago | (#43891263)

Actually.. you're thinking of television - Facebook is just where they defecate in public.

Dark days coming for modern Turkish people.. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891089)

Last week, at a metro station in capital city of Turkey, a couple who we were hugging and kissing, warned by officers. Next day, about 50 people protested it, one of them injured with a knife by an extreme islamist.
Today in the same speech with his comments about twitter, to a question about this incident, he replied as "yes, i support officer; people must obey moral rules!"

Sucks to be a dictator ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891103)

... who can't control the message.

Seriously, this guy is a religious loon (yes, I know there are far crazier ones, but that doesn't make him a calm, sane guy).

And people use these wild and crazy social networks to propagate ideas that don't agree with his -- or with those of the goat herding primitives who made up his religion, among a couple of others. People might question their beliefs ... and his authority ... and the authority of his imaginary father figure in the sky! The world would end if that happened!

Next attack(s) (-1, Offtopic)

ZDroid (2938715) | about a year ago | (#43891147)

Maybe next Anon attack(s) will be on closed [source] digital sphere - to Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others. :D

Honestly (-1, Troll)

trifish (826353) | about a year ago | (#43891153)

I sincerely believe he is right.

If you disagree, feel free to abuse the mod system and mod me down. Go ahead, I've got plenty of karma to burn, and frankly, don't care.

Re:Honestly (4, Insightful)

Longjmp (632577) | about a year ago | (#43891199)

If you disagree, feel free to abuse the mod system and mod me down.

If I hadn't commented already, I would mod you down as troll.
Not because of your opinion, but because you fail to explain why you feel he's right.
Using your karma cushion is a poor example of expressing your opinion.

Re:Honestly (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891207)

Don't care, but whine about it like a whiny prick. Your post is worthless. Mod me down, I can handle it.

Re:Honestly (1)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#43891403)

Then please explain why you feel the opinion of large swaths of the population is bad?

The value of opinion does not change depending on the media used to convey it.

Re:Honestly (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about a year ago | (#43891425)

I sincerely believe he is wrong.

There, just added exactly the same amount to the conversation as you did.

Re:Honestly (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891429)

I agree with you, mostly because I've seen how the opposition parties in my home country use social media to report incidents.

Or better yet create them.

I'm talking about a extreme left opposition which barely attains 10% of the votes in the country's legislative elections, and some decades ago were behind a coup attempt to overthrow a democratically ellected government.

They have people on their payroll assigned to follow around government members and cause public incidents supposedly demonstrating popular opposition, and they allways bring their camera crews with them. One time they tried to pull a propaganda stunt while the health minister was making a public appearance on a medical school, and the protest which was supposed to look as if medical students were protesting the government ended up looking like a half dozen guys tried to crash the event, due to the fact that all medical students happened to be wearing white lab coats and the professional protesters, which they were not.

Another time, a few months ago, there was a nation wide protest and these propaganda professionals placed the party leaders in the croud giving interviews about how the people supported them and wanted the government to be overthrown, and while they were stating that the entire nation was supporting their extreme left party and their policies, in the background the passer by's were screaming that they were worse than the government, that no one wanted to have anything to do with them and that they should leave.

So, propaganda now has become cheaper to produce and cheaper to distribute. If even small companies have enough resources to mount PR campaigns to manipulate the public perception towards their product, imagine what an unscrupulous political party can and does do.

In many parts of the world... (1)

3seas (184403) | about a year ago | (#43891171)

Social Media could be considered the serving back to the politicians the medicine they been dishing out to the people.

German guy took part in the protest? (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43891173)

I don't care if he's of Turkish origin, if he left his country and became a German citizen, he has no right to go protest.

Re:German guy took part in the protest? (3, Informative)

prefec2 (875483) | about a year ago | (#43891281)

I do not understand your logic. His family might be still there. He could have many cultural ties to Turkey. And he could have a German and a Turkish passport and therefore be Turkish and German. BTW: There a many bonds between Germany and Turkey, because of the numerous Turkish immigrants in Germany, all the Germans going to Turkey for their holidays, and in addition a lot of economic and trade connections. Turkey is almost a EU member state.

Re:German guy took part in the protest? (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43891345)

You should not have the right to protest against a government unless you're an eligible voter.

Re:German guy took part in the protest? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891317)

Yes, and Russian emigres shouldn't have protested the USSR, or Cuban exiles protest Castro right?

I think you just won the award for dumbest post of the day...

Re:German guy took part in the protest? (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | about a year ago | (#43891379)

You should have the right to protest whatever regardless of your citizenship. Human rights are still human rights, this idea that we shouldn't care about and we shouldn't (peacefully!) try to do something about X has lead to some of the worst abuses in power in history. We are all humans and it is in all of our best interests that basic rights to self-expression, freedom of religion and the right of self-ownership are protected. Why should I care about sex-slavery in Africa? After all, I don't live in Africa, I'm white and I'm also male. Why should I care about what's happening in Syria? After all, I'm not Islamic and I'm not middle eastern and don't live in Syria. Heck, we can go even further, why should I care about the holocaust? I'm not Jewish, I don't live in Germany. Why should I care about the civil rights movement? I'm not black.

Rights need to be protected no matter who is violating them. The protection of human rights in Turkey is a cause that all liberty-minded individuals need to take note of and support no matter where their geographical location is, what race they are and whatever country you "legally belong to", because what happens to one human, affects us all.

Re:German guy took part in the protest? (1)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#43891395)

Why not? The man is of Turkish decent, has lots of friends and family in Turkey and he has every right to voice his opinion.

Yeah but.. (1)

GigaBurglar (2465952) | about a year ago | (#43891187)

..Only if you're a fascist c*nt.

To be fair, this is out of context (1)

tlambert (566799) | about a year ago | (#43891223)

To be fair, this is out of context... the Berlin Left Part member Hakan Tas is not even Turkish, participated in the protest, and wasn't arrested. How many countries allow foreign nationals to protest against the government of a country for which they are not a citizen?

In addition, the thing that's pissing most people off there is not that they are removing trees, it's that they plan to build a mosque in the area.

Re:To be fair, this is out of context (2)

prefec2 (875483) | about a year ago | (#43891327)

He is born in Turkey and migrated to Germany at the age of 14. No doubt he has still strong ties to his old country and feels as much to Turkish as German. Actually why make a big fuss about it? And especially about his nationality. If German laws would not prohibit double nationalities (there are some exceptions), he would be most likely still Turkish and German.

Re:To be fair, this is out of context (2)

Teun (17872) | about a year ago | (#43891383)

How many countries allow foreign nationals to protest against the government of a country for which they are not a citizen?

As long as it is peaceful all civilised countries will allow such or any other protest.

Missing Option: Willful Ignorance (2)

TheRon6 (929989) | about a year ago | (#43891293)

Social media is a tool no different than any other tool. People who go out of their way to understand the tools they use rarely encounter problems with them. But like an inexperienced driver climbing behind the wheel after having "only a few" drinks, too many people browse social media sites as if every word is fact, unaware that nearly everything written online should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. But there's no helping people who will believe a FB group about the moon landing being fake while dismissing contradicting posts like this as part of the government cover-up. As long as there are people who thrive in the social experience of collective willful ignorance, every tool can become a menace to society. That doesn't mean we should take them all away.

The Truth is out there (2)

Chucky_M (1708842) | about a year ago | (#43891323)

Social Media is a tool that can be used by both sides.

What this guy has done to stop a bunch of people defending a park from destruction deserves prison time but a bigger offense is how little western media is reporting on it as they could have stopped this already. Because of this he will win this battle through force of arms alone, already a number of his people have died hopefully the number will remain low but 1 is already too many.

He will in the end loose the country and be forced to answer for his crimes, the west needs to distance itself from people like this now as perception of full support is a big part of the worldwide problem when it comes to dictators.

It wont happen of course, we great at repeating old mistakes.

Something lost in the translation? (1)

bertok (226922) | about a year ago | (#43891329)

I'm sure that what he really wanted to say was: "Social media is the biggest threat to my government".

Because in that case, I agree.

Conservatives loath social networking (2)

Pecisk (688001) | about a year ago | (#43891337)

Because it destroys artifical fabric of society they try to create - as they would have any chance in this. In same time they enjoy their social networks (trough websites and tv) which allows them to live in bubble of selective memory.

Also for what I have heard for last five years, quite big part of Turkish society has all reasons to hate current goverment. Yes, they are democractically elected, but that doesn't mean they can't listen to opposition. They have to - if they want to stay longer in their place.

And using full blown police against peacful protest will fireback any time. Trust me.

"Worst Menace To Society." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891445)

He misspelled "Authoritarianism"

need a job? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43891457)

just as Jennifer responded I am surprised that some one can get paid $9476 in 1 month on the internet. have you seen this web link ..>>www.jam30.m

What is happening... (5, Insightful)

Fuzzums (250400) | about a year ago | (#43891489)

The police is reacting extremely violent in the protests against Erdogan, the Turkish prime Minister. Streets were littered with tear gas canisters. Several people have been killed or shot and who knows how many people are wounded.
In the mean time CNN Turkey is showing a documentary about penguins and also other news organisations in Turkey are ignoring the protests.

Facebook and Twitter do indeed play an important role in the protests. For instance it helps organize medical aid for wounded and communication about the severe cases that need urgent help and need to be transported to a hospital.

Why? (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about a year ago | (#43891523)

Say what you will about reddit, they're just another community information outlet. This post explains what's going on pretty well, [reddit.com] and gives insight as to why the issue won't easily be resolved.

See, it's not all idiots. There users have the capability classify and sort and let good discussions and explanations bubble up, without the daft as rocks editorial approval required (like here), but you have to know where to look. [reddit.com]

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