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Microsoft Attempts to Woo Students With 'Crowdsourced' Laptops

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the dear-aunt-gates dept.

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theodp writes "Q. What do Chris Brown and Steve Ballmer have in common? A. They both want you to Beg for It. GeekWire reports that Microsoft is touting its new Chip In program, a crowdfunding platform that allows students to 'beg' for select Windows 8 PCs and tablets that they can't afford on their own. Blair Hanley Frank explains, 'Students go to the Chip In website and choose one of the 20 computers and tablets that have been pre-selected by Microsoft. Microsoft chips in 10% of the price right off the bat, and then students are given a link to a "giving page" to send out to anyone they think might give them money. Once their computer is fully funded, Microsoft ships it to them.' Hey, what could go wrong?"

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128 comments

Bah, US only... (0)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43914307)

Come on, I really wanted to try it out... Not that I'm a student or going college or so ;-) Just trolling their systems a bit. Besides, a cheap Win8 PC is good for running Linux, isn't it?

Re:Bah, US only... (0)

The123king (2395060) | about a year ago | (#43914327)

Ever heard of Secure Boot?

Re:Bah, US only... (2, Informative)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43914351)

Of course... On x86 you can disabled it with a BIOS setting (okay, technically "EFI setting"). For now I haven't seen one that didn't allow it. It's sometimes pretty hard to get into the BIOS, but hey, once you're in, you're in.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43914361)

Not that I claim it isn't a problem. SecureBoot is a BIG problem, but for now, they let us work around it.

Re:Bah, US only... (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43914545)

Too bad that along the problems with Linux, Secure Boot by itself is actually a nice feature.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43915827)

If it weren't so very complicated to actually sign your own binaries and have a nice keystore... userfriendly and all (within the firmware of course), perferably standardized that once you know it for one machine, you know it for all... Yes, then it would be nice...

Re:Bah, US only... (2, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43915045)

How EXACTLY is it a "big" problem? Its something that is trivial to disable if you don't want it and frankly if Torvalds wasn't constantly shitting out new kernels it really wouldn't be hard to get your kernel signed and use it in Linux.

Ironically the ones who usually scream about it being a "problem" don't seem to have this "problem" with Chromebooks even though unlike UEFI Secureboot the ONLY way to get around it in a Chromebook is to put in a page and a half of CLI garbage in "dev mode", completely wipe your drive (no dual booting allowed) and then and ONLY then can you use one of a few small select distros that will run on what should be just a bog standard X86 laptop. say what you will but at least with Secureboot I can dual boot and use any OS I want with the hardware.

As for TFA? sigh...Steve, Steve, Steve...give it the fuck up already! Win 8 is a bomb, nobody wants the damned thing, all you are doing now is embarrassing yourself.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about a year ago | (#43915637)

frankly if Torvalds wasn't constantly shitting out new kernels it really wouldn't be hard to get your kernel signed and use it in Linux.

So let me get this straight; your against getting security patches and improvements that come with new kernels?
also its not Torvalds that controls when you distro pumps out a new kernel that is entirely up to the distros kernel team all Torvald does that relates is push source code into the mainline trunk in a git.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915675)

Its something that is trivial to disable if you don't want it

Various reports say it is *not* trivial on many PCs. Maybe you've been lucky, but there have been reports of:
- Need to guess undocumented key to get into setup
- Timing so sensitive that you might have to try many times to hit the key at the right time
- In some cases, you can't get into setup at all without booting windows and accepting the license first (great if you want to get a windows refund, which *is* possible in some countries).
- Many people report that they can get Windows or Linux running but not a dual boot setup; or they have to go into setup and switch secure boot on/off to switch between OSes.

Old hands at Linux will probably get around most of this with some messing about and inconvenience (though acording to some reports, even that's not guaranteed). But it's ideal for putting off Linux first-timers who want to try Ubuntu etc. and until secure boot they could often just put a CD or USB key in, reboot and go.

Summary: It *is* a problem and it's *not* trivial no matter how much you pretend it is.

As for the Chromebook, that's a complete red herring; it's a tiny fraction of the market. Very soon 99% of all desktops and 98% of all laptops (-1% extra for Chromebooks) will have secure boot.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43915811)

Because it causes all kinds of problems. Doesn't even have to be Linux. Talk to people who tried installing 7 on their 8 machine... If you don't know about secureboot (We're at the high end of the tech spectrum here, but just a few steps down there are "Windows reinstallers"... e.g. Windows power users who may not know about secureboot).

I said "it's not so bad, you can disabled it", and then we get many people posting that on their machine they couldn't .... yeah, it is a big problem... Perhaps not for you, perhaps not for me... but for many people... And FSM knows I'm going to curse a lot if I get a machine where I can't disable it completely.

Re:Bah, US only... (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#43914523)

I have an ASUS motherboard that refuses to boot from USB unless it's a UEFI image or you manually go into the BIOS each time and tell it to boot from that device.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about a year ago | (#43914575)

Okay... That's annoying. Isn't there an option "legacy BIOS" or something. The wording is not standardized (typical for BIOS). Anyway, yes, it's terribly annoying if it can't do that. I'll believe you on your word that some manufacturers fucked this up.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | about a year ago | (#43914879)

The store would receive that one right back. That's BS.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

Lazere (2809091) | about a year ago | (#43914907)

That's weird. I've had no issues booting legacy USB images on a new ASUS board. Of course, it is an AMD board so that may have something to do with it...

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43915063)

Uhh..why are you booting from USB? There is your problem, Asus boards really don't like booting from USB, if you want to boot from USB a lot an Asrock or gigabyte would have been a better choice.

Re:Bah, US only... (4, Insightful)

Stuarticus (1205322) | about a year ago | (#43915331)

That doesn't sound like GP's problem, it sounds like ASUS' problem. Yours is accepting that "doesn't boot well from USB" is an acceptable state to sell a motherboard in.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

X3J11 (791922) | about a year ago | (#43915517)

Uhh..why are you booting from USB? There is your problem, Asus boards really don't like booting from USB, if you want to boot from USB a lot an Asrock or gigabyte would have been a better choice.

I have used ASUS boards exclusively for almost a decade, from early Athlons, to an Athlon64, to a Core2 notebook, to both an 1156 and 1155 Core i5, as well as a few replacement boards for dead computers repaired for friends. I have never had an issue booting from USB, ever.

While that's anecdotal evidence, your claim contained no evidence, so I guess my point is... ummm... neener neener?

Seriously, I've never had an issue with ASUS products, except for Steam suddenly (and mysteriously) breaking my ASUS wifi adapter.

Re:Bah, US only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43916071)

I also have an ASUS motherboard.

Right on the first easy-setup page, there are four items listed for boot order: BluRay UEFI, SSD UEFI, BluRay Normal, SSD Normal.

(Forget the exact model, but I believe it ends in "990FXA")

Re:Bah, US only... (2)

poetmatt (793785) | about a year ago | (#43914559)

except that you have to agree to the MS TOS to get into the BIOS, but hey, what's a little legal agreement that violates your rights? /facepalm

Re:Bah, US only... (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43914607)

So don't buy the machine.

Hopefully more linux users will start buying linux machines or bare OS machines and we can get some actual reasonable statistics.

Re:Bah, US only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915057)

Yep - until the moment Microsoft decides everyone selling that computer would be no longer a "Microsoft assoiate" and the seller would not longer get "assoiate pricing" from Microsoft. I bet all those "shady Linux machines" will dissapear within a few hours from their site/shop...

Microsoft did that before, does it now, and wil continuing doing that in the forseeable future...

Re:Bah, US only... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43915079)

So I will go buy a machine from a linux only seller.

I highly doubt dell would comply, as redhat would push back on the server and workstation side.

Re:Bah, US only... (1)

Steve_Ussler (2941703) | about a year ago | (#43914447)

Free laptops is the way to go....

First Post (-1, Troll)

GoogleShill (2732413) | about a year ago | (#43914311)

And just like Rihanna, we all suffer.

They are windows 8? (4, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a year ago | (#43914319)

Then I don't think anyone wants one. Begging and debasing yourself for a computer makes sense, if you really need one. Doing it for a computer that suffers from delusions of being a tablet? What's the point?

Re:They are windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914761)

Also with all the free facebook publicity they hope to generate with this, they should be offering more than a measly 10%.

Re:They are windows 8? (2)

Thud457 (234763) | about a year ago | (#43914843)

I asked for a car, I got a computer. How's that for being born under a bad sign? [dodgedartregistry.com]

jeeze, at least hold out for a Mustang if you're gonna whore yourself out.

Re:They are windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915897)

Hey, I asked for a computer and got a car, you insensitive clod!

Re:They are windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914897)

I've debased myself for a lot less than that. You should see what I'll do for crack!

Re:They are windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915573)

You must be married...

or was it a different sort of crack you're into?

Re:They are windows 8? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915687)

That's my impression as well! To the question "Hey, what could go wrong?"... The answer is "Windows 8"!

Oh yay (0)

The123king (2395060) | about a year ago | (#43914321)

So instead of just leaking money through flopping products, Microsoft have decided to skip the middle man (themselves and their H/W partners) and just give the money (in the form of laptops) to the few hipsters who actually want their crap

can we do the opposite though? (5, Funny)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#43914325)

Can we just beg for them to:
Remove Windows 8 from a laptop we already bought
Make Windows 8 and 8.1 (so basically 8.2) not suck so badly
or just beg for them to stop begging us to beg them for Windows 8 machines.

Windows 8 is a Cheap Trick (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914899)

I want you to want me.
I need you to need me.
I'd love you to love me.
I'm beggin' you to beg me.
I'll shine up the old brown shoes, put on a brand-new shirt.
I'll get home early from work if you say that you love me.

It's confirmed, Microsoft is a stalker ex-boyfriend intent on manipulating you into loving it.

Windows 8 ? Urrgh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914341)

Who in their right minds wants a Windows 8 laptop ?

I'd rather have a damp pizza.

Spam (5, Insightful)

Big Hairy Ian (1155547) | about a year ago | (#43914365)

So it's a 10% discount for spamming your contact list

Re:Spam (4, Interesting)

Krojack (575051) | about a year ago | (#43914499)

And microsoft then sells your list of contacts to marketers or uses it themselves to spam.

Re:Spam (4, Interesting)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#43914549)

The funny thing is, this is for college "kids"... in other words -- grown fucking adults.

When I saw the shitty Slashdot blurb, I assumed this was going to be for disadvantaged children or something. Instead, it's for those poor unfortunate ADULTS who are so disenfranchised and disadvantaged that they're attending (through one manner or another) tens of thousands of dollars for college tuition and related expenses, but need to beg and spam people for the $600 for a laptop.

Ridiculous.

Re:Spam (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43914619)

That those same loans would cover in fact. I know, I bought a laptop that way once. I had no working computer and needed it to do my university homework.

Re:Spam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914881)

The funny thing is, this is for college "kids"... in other words -- grown fucking adults.

Wow, with an attitude like that, you must've been a fucking hoot in your college days. Were you BORN an old man or something?

Re:Spam (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#43915017)

The funny thing is, this is for college "kids"... in other words -- grown fucking adults.

When I saw the shitty Slashdot blurb, I assumed this was going to be for disadvantaged children or something. Instead, it's for those poor unfortunate ADULTS who are so disenfranchised and disadvantaged that they're attending (through one manner or another) tens of thousands of dollars for college tuition and related expenses, but need to beg and spam people for the $600 for a laptop.

Not to mention a perfectly usable PC for schoolwork (not necessarily gaming or such) can be had quite cheaply - even an old minimum wage summer job could get a laptop that works well enough. Brand new here, just your average POS $500 laptop, less on sale. Yeah, crappy screens, heavy, blah blah blah, but for schoolwork, it suffices.

Hell, even a used laptop can be had cheaply that'll work for probably under $200. Or heck, organizing a used computer recycling event - going to the big companies who often replace stocks of old PCs that are still functional but hit their 3 year refresh cycle.

(Yes, I do participate in Kickstarters, but that's because I believe in the goal (crowdfunding is a great way for niche products to get exposure and make it to production). Begging friends and family to buy you a computer for college? I'm less sold on that. Especially since well, one should've been old enough to get a summer job and make a few bucks, even if it's a crappy minimum wage retail job)

Re:Spam (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915355)

The funny thing is, this is for college "kids"... in other words -- grown fucking adults.

Since when is the average college student anything even remotely resembling an adult?

Re:Spam (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915465)

Since when is the average adult anything remotely resembling an adult?

Re:Spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915569)

I felt the same way when my friend was spamming everyone for money for a mission trip. He was going to spend 6 months in India doing engineering work (you know, the thing he just got his Masters in), but the position was unpaid. So he spammed all of his friends and relatives to give him money for it.

Re:Spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43916031)

Maybe people spending so much money don't have any left for luxuries like a laptop. I know I sure the hell didn't when I paid my own way through college. You sound like those spoiled brats who's parents paid for everything including a spending allowance.

Re:Spam (1)

dmomo (256005) | about a year ago | (#43915875)

If people are willing to sell their friends out for another silly turn at crushing some candy, I worry what they will do to save actual money!

Forward this to 10 friends and get a free laptop!! (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914373)

This almost reminds me of all those e-mails from way back when that say if you forward the e-mail to 10 or so friends, Bill Gates will send you a free PC. I'm already very suspect of any e-mail asking for money, even if it is from someone I know.

Re:Forward this to 10 friends and get a free lapto (1)

Steve_Ussler (2941703) | about a year ago | (#43914461)

So it was true! Shopes was wtrong.

Re:Forward this to 10 friends and get a free lapto (1)

LordNightwalker (256873) | about a year ago | (#43914485)

Glad I wasn't the only one to instantly make that connection. :D

Re:Forward this to 10 friends and get a free lapto (4, Interesting)

Krojack (575051) | about a year ago | (#43914533)

I can already hear the Internet scams popping up right now.

You go to some family get-together.
Uncle: Hey Jimmy, I got that message about the laptop you wanted. I donated $300 for you!
Jimmy: Umm, I never signed up for any laptop nor did I send you a request to donate to buy one for me.
*crickets*

I'll tell you what could go wrong... (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about a year ago | (#43914401)

You could end up with a laptop with Windows 8 on it.

Re:I'll tell you what could go wrong... (5, Funny)

tompaulco (629533) | about a year ago | (#43914437)

The second place winner gets two laptops with Windows 8 on it.

Re:I'll tell you what could go wrong... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914491)

Last place gets Windows 8 RT?

Re:I'll tell you what could go wrong... (1)

localman57 (1340533) | about a year ago | (#43914757)

Yeah. Funny thing is that after they ran it past the focus groups, it actually came in as being less desirable than the penultimate prize, which was being personally kicked in the nuts by Ballmer.

wrasslin' is real! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914951)

For some reason, I find it easier to imagine Ballmer hitting someone with a folding chair rather than kicking them in the nuts.

Re:I'll tell you what could go wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914721)

You may really be sorry when a Surface RT arrives instead.

Re:I'll tell you what could go wrong... (1)

StuartHankins (1020819) | about a year ago | (#43914917)

At least after getting kicked in the groin, the pain subsides after a time. Windows 8 on the other hand...

Crowdsourcing is interesting... (5, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43914439)

...but it really doesn't help when this kind of project tries to get people to turn it into spam. Want to drive your early 1980s Vanagon through China on the Silk Road, and write a book about the experience? Good project for crowdsourcing (but didn't make its kickstarter goal). Want to record an album with your band or film a documentary on something super-nerdy? By all means give it a shot.

Poor student wanting to buy a device Microsoft picked for you? Just makes the whole concept of crowdsourcing look like what it is: begging. The appeal of crowdsourcing, in my opinion, is that if the project succeeds, something fun, interesting, or exciting gets brought back that the people who helped it happen get to enjoy. Not just the person who gathered the funds.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (1)

cervesaebraciator (2352888) | about a year ago | (#43914853)

Indeed. If this kinda thing is crowdsourcing, then at some point those fund-raisers you participated in to raise money for the band trip in high school can be called crowdsourcing too.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (1)

intermodal (534361) | about a year ago | (#43915069)

It is, in the purest linguistic sense. Just as the Microsoft strategy is.

I think what separates what people are usually referring to as "crowdsourcing" and just general begging and fundraising is that generally people are expecting some kind of return on their investment when they go someplace like Kickstarter, even if it is just the privilege of purchasing the album/book/film or tickets to the film/whatever. It's more about being part of a project that the donor feels is worthwhile from but may not otherwise be possible.

In that light, even the band trip example fits the bill a lot better than a new product preloaded with Windows 8. Especially if the band brings recording equipment and brings back some kind of recorded version of their performance.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (1)

strength_of_10_men (967050) | about a year ago | (#43914957)

This is not crowdsourcing. I see the point of crowdsourcing as raising money for a shared goal or interest. Most crowdsourced projects have a reward or return for the investor. But with this? What does any contributor get back or what's the shared vision? It is just outright begging. It's embarrasing.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915447)

indeed.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (4, Insightful)

femtobyte (710429) | about a year ago | (#43915515)

This is worse than begging --- this is *lobbying*. You're not asking for the computer you'd particularly want given the whole world of available choices; you're working on behalf of Microsoft to provide advertising for Microsoft so that people will give money to Microsoft, and in return you get a crappy device that's not what you and your family/friends would have decided to spend the same $X00 on in the first place.

Re:Crowdsourcing is interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915271)

Maybe they would get a better response if they were going for features to be implemented in the next version of windows. I bet a start menu would get alot of support.

Windows 7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914443)

Begs for Windows 7.

How about just giving them the laptops? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914463)

Instead of making them beg for their lives, how about investing in the future and giving laptops out to students?

Every time some marketing outfit wedges in "social" because they think the younger set will latch on just because they see the word, I die a little inside.

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43914645)

How about they go to the library or computer lab?

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (1)

localman57 (1340533) | about a year ago | (#43914775)

Or get a fucking job?

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43914851)

I would imagine most college students have jobs.
I had one and it barely paid my rent and food. I had to use money from my loans to buy a laptop at one point.

Work study of 40 hours per pay period, times 26 pay periods means at minimum wage means a yearly wage of around $7000. If you can work 40 hours a week while in university either you program is not challenging enough or you simply do not sleep.

The idea that most college students to do not work is just silly.

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (1)

losfromla (1294594) | about a year ago | (#43915095)

I worked about 40 hours while at Jr College, the program was extremely challenging, mostly physics, math, chemistry and of course general education. It helped that my job gave me the flexibility to take off a few days to study for tests and finals. I was making about $12 an hour installing tires and batteries (and later selling them, or running the job schedule) at Sears, the skin on my hands is still cracked in some areas due to all the incidental battery acid contact. When I transferred to university, I stopped working. I also became a less focused student, probably slept less, and had a lot of time on my hands that I spent playing Foosball, reading, and surfing the newsgroups. Near graduation I got an Engineering job that paid, I think $30/hr. So, my point is that not all students are going to be working for minimum wage. Being that the economy is probably a lot worse than it was 20 years ago though, maybe minimum wage is all there is.

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (3, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43915117)

$12 an hour would have been a fortune to me. I was working for $5 and spending 100+ hours a week in the labs. Working off campus was not much of an option since I could never really get the flexibility I needed out of other employers. The lab was only open a set of hours, and I was not going to hurt my grades for their meager wages.

Re:How about just giving them the laptops? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914763)

Because giving laptops to poor college kids doesn't magically turn them into philanthropic geniuses. "Investing in the future" is a nice thing to say, but actually doing it is, shockingly enough, harder than throwing money at the wall and hoping something sticks.

kinda pointless given a few facts (5, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#43914493)

1. microsoft already enjoys lock-in at most universities and private colleges. shit like outlook and sharepoint has unfortunately shoved years of well-maintained unix to the roadside in an effort for universities to seem more cutting edge. protracted multi-month outages (ahem, University of Kentucky) requiring expensive consultants drive alongside patch tuesday now in the race to time best wasted.
2. 90% of the engineering labs, the ones we slashdotters fondly pine for, are sadly Microsft lock stock and barrel. each desltop basically exists as a $500 PuTTY workstation.

id be willing to guess microsoft is trying to reduce the amount of apple on campus. in the arm and in the backpack of millions of students rests the most egregious chunk of the student loan, the macbook. Microsoft wants that few inches of space so badly they can taste the sweat off steves greasy forehead, but theyve failed catastrophically in the past and if history is any indicator, this will just serve to ever cement microsoft as the spreadsheet king. the Zune was a godless abortion, the netbook was an underpowered way to piss off university hackers, and the tablets are about the only thing left until you realize apple has been doing it better for years. Now we're going for the laptops...and its worth noting most $college macbooks run XP or 7 so as to comply with university requirements for courseware. Make no mistake however, they roll back over to mac whenever theres a party and someone needs to fire up a jukebox playlist fitting for kegstands.

making college kids beg wont work. at the end of the day sure, theyre accustomed to it with their parents but microsoft doesnt represent anything they inherently need that they cant already download off bittorrent or use a lab for. victory has defeated you microsoft, your ubiquity is the titration point at which college students simply dont care about your products. they all know windows, they all use it, but there is no fundamental 'want' or drive you can possibly conjure up that will spur kids to fall to their knees the way steve jobs could get them to.

Re:kinda pointless given a few facts (3, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43914635)

1. microsoft already enjoys lock-in at most universities and private colleges. shit like outlook and sharepoint has unfortunately shoved years of well-maintained unix to the roadside in an effort for universities to seem more cutting edge. protracted multi-month outages (ahem, University of Kentucky) requiring expensive consultants drive alongside patch tuesday now in the race to time best wasted.

I can only speak for what I see at my university; but I don't think this is really as prevalent anymore. I think too many schools got burned by experiences such as the one you refer to.

Now Microsoft does still try to do this, but they don't have the leverage they once did. On our campus Microsoft did schmooze the previous president to get Live included as an offering; but with the students Gmail is king and Dropbox is queen. The only people I know using Outlook and the other MS cloud options are some staff members for whom it's been the only email they've ever known.

Re:kinda pointless given a few facts (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about a year ago | (#43915195)

each desltop basically exists as a $500 PuTTY workstation.

That's not such a bad deal considering how much dumb and X terminals cost back in the day.

I looked... (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43914541)

But I couldn't find the MacBook Pro running Windows 8 via Boot Camp.

Re:I looked... (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a year ago | (#43915151)

But I couldn't find the MacBook Pro running Windows 8 via Boot Camp.

Get your dirty hands off my macbook!

(It's for testing, it's the only Windows 8 install I have, I swear!)

Think twice MIcrosoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914547)

14 year old girls getting naked on cam for money for a laptop? ... Thanks Microsoft... Gigidi, gigidi...Ballmer

Trolololo (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914581)

Looks like theop and unknown lamer are sucking each other off again while demonstrating their MS hate. I swear they must pop a stiffy every time either one sees something MS is doing that can be spun negatively.

Begging? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914599)

So, when people through things on Kickstarter, they are begging, right?
And, when it gets posted to Slashdot, it is spamming their begging, right?

Because, if you agree with the summary and don't answer yes to both of those questions, you are a hypocrite.

Have a nice day.

I am beging MS to add modern mix and start 8 to th (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43914613)

I am beging MS to add modern mix and start 8 to the base os in windows 8.1 or newer.

Chris Brown? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914631)

Took me a while to figure out the submitter was trying to make a rap music reference. I kept trying to figure out what tech company had a CEO named Chris Brown and couldn't think of any. For future reference: if you are going to make a rap reference in a post, please use someone nerds actually listen to like MCChris, OptimusRhyme, or MCFrontalot. KThxBye.

Re:Chris Brown? (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about a year ago | (#43914801)

maybe if he'd said "bitch slap and choke your GF" that would have made it clearer?

"Microsoft like Chris Brown wants to bitch slap and choke your GF." It would have made it more entertaining to say the least.

Oil economy sign of collapse (1)

ElitistWhiner (79961) | about a year ago | (#43914667)

Enter the Gift economy

need more hardware choice and why is cpu speed hid (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43914711)

need more hardware choice (to many systems with an small 128gb SSD) and why is cpu speed hidden on so meany of the systems. Also most of the system only have Intel video.

Re:need more hardware choice and why is cpu speed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914873)

CPU speed hasn't been a factor since Intel started releasing Core family chips. They reached a wall just shy of about four GHz, and have not gone beyond that ever since. Now most people just assume the chips are running ~3GHz * Multicore and don't actually care how fast the processor is.

they contribute 10% (1)

jehan60188 (2535020) | about a year ago | (#43914789)

they contribute 10%
why not just let microsoft foot part of the bill, and then you pay for the rest yourself (assuming you can afford it)?
is this better than not having any laptop?

I just got an email ! (1)

TTL0 (546351) | about a year ago | (#43914847)

It's from a Nigerian prince asking for help for a laptop.

discount for no MS shitware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914945)

So, if the value of the laptop is N and MS kick in N *. 10, I need to raise N * .90 to get this hardware with MS shitware loaded on it, right?

Can I raise N * .90 - M, where M is the value of the MS shitware (read: Windows, etc.) and get a laptop without the shitware on it?

Here we go again (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43914947)

Microsoft with another new half baked idea.
Painful to watch and execute me too ad campaign.
A day late and a dollar short.
Say what you will about them, the fuckers are consistent.

I LOVE THIS IDEA! (1)

new death barbie (240326) | about a year ago | (#43915031)

Please let me know when Porsche adopts this model.

Sweet! (4, Insightful)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#43915143)

That 10% discount is almost as much money as you could save by forgoing Windows for something useable and free.

Queue the predictable Anti MS circle jerk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915145)

Sadly, it seems lately /. is no longer much value to anyone looking for anything other than some shit-on-MS frenzy.

Micro-who? (2)

tverbeek (457094) | about a year ago | (#43915153)

I think it's interesting the way they're describing this. "Windows has already contributed 10% off the PC cost." Not "Microsoft" the company, but "Windows" the operating system. As if the software itself were somehow tapping into a bank account to contribute. Is Microsoft trying to avoid its own brand here? (All of which is just a bunch of marketing nonsense. Microsoft isn't "chipping in" 10%; it's offering a 10% discount. In exchange for... your personal info, and that of your friends and family with money.)

Not even for free. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915693)

Microsoft would have to pay me the full price of the package for me to even bother looking at it before I rip that crapheap of an OS out and replace it with something not terrible.
Failing that, I'd image the drive and rip the OS apart and rebuild it in a VM until it works even remotely well.

Spamming friends for a not-even-free Win8 laptop, pffft, great idea guys.

What a great plan - for Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915801)

What a great plan for Apple: students get 10% of the price of a Windows 8 machine in free MS money when they turn around and sell it to buy a real computer. :)

Not such a bad idea. (1)

MindStalker (22827) | about a year ago | (#43915891)

Aside from the Win8 issue. I don't see how this is a bad idea. Graduating highschool students do this all the time. They tell their relatives and friends of the family that they are graduating or whatever, everyone sends them a few bucks and then the graduate can use this money to buy something. I can totally imagine sending out and email to everyone I know saying my kid needs a new laptop for college and to chip in just a few cents or whatever you can afford.

This is called discount (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915951)

Cannot one just go to the site, select a device and p

Re: This is called discount (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43915991)

...ay for it themselves? Or give the money to a friend and make him pay.

Ha! (1)

FuzzNugget (2840687) | about a year ago | (#43916215)

Windows 8: so bad, they can't even *give* it away!

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