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Microsoft Confirms Xbox One's Phone Home Requirement, Game Resale Rules

Soulskill posted about a year ago | from the you-can-trust-us dept.

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Following the confusion surrounding Microsoft's announcement of the Xbox One, the company has now clarified many of the hot-button issues in a set of posts on their official site. First, they confirmed that the console will need to phone home in order to continue playing games. On your primary console, you'd need to connect to the internet and check in once every 24 hours. They also announced that you'll be able to access and play any of your games by logging in on somebody else's console, but the internet connection will be required every hour to keep playing that way. Other media don't require the connection. Microsoft also explained how game licensing will work. On the upside, anyone using your console will be able to play your games, and you can share your games with up to 10 members of your family for free. The downside is the news about used games; Microsoft says they've "designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers." The key word there is can, which implies that you can't without the publisher's express permission. Finally, the company made a set of statements about how Kinect's audio and video sensors will collect and share your data. "When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission.

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That doesn't fix anything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934881)

What does microsoft expect? Post a PR announcement saying that they heard the complaints and do nothing?

Re:That doesn't fix anything (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934933)

What? They cleared it all up. The always on requirements and the used game resale options are in the hands of the game developers giveing MS all the plausible deniability that they need.

The fact you can only "give away" a game once sucks, and I'm sure this is going to be used as a model for the "we allow used game sales"* claims from the developers.

* it can be sold once ... with limited functionality.

Re:That doesn't fix anything (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935085)

> the used game resale options are in the hands of the game developers

Which is funny because were I live it's in the hand of the law. The law that says "I can resell my own games."

Re: That doesn't fix anything (5, Interesting)

Greg Burke (2944843) | about a year ago | (#43935277)

I guess it depends on whether you owned the game in the first place. for instance, Adobe's licensing makes it clear that you don't own the software that you bought, you just own a license to use it. If game developers use similar license agreements then the law you mention probably does not apply.

Re: That doesn't fix anything (2)

DrLang21 (900992) | about a year ago | (#43935329)

Most all software has an EULA that says something to that effect. I'm fairly certain that a number of countries have stated that it doesnot apply in their borders.

Re: That doesn't fix anything (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935335)

Adobes licensing matters not if it conflicts with the law of the land.

Some nations have actual consumer protection.

Re:That doesn't fix anything (1)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#43935331)

The law doesn't matter when the software is crippled and simply won't work if you give it away/sell it. Especially since every software license out there, except for a very small slice of the pie, tells you that you don't own what you "bought."

Modded insightful? Nope.

--
BMO

Deal breaker (5, Insightful)

senorpoco (1396603) | about a year ago | (#43934883)

Well that just saved me the equivalent of whatever the new console would cost. Thanks microsoft for making purchasing decisions easier.

Re: Deal breaker (5, Informative)

O('_')O_Bush (1162487) | about a year ago | (#43934957)

Yep, good thing the Wii U does 1080p, has mature content, has effectively the same controller setup, doesn't have a monthly subscription, and doesn't require me to put up with ANY of this bullshit.

Re: Deal breaker (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935251)

I'll just keep my PC and not waste any money on consoles. I need a PC for work, communications, information, music, photos and films anyhow. It doesn't make any sense to split gaming off from that into a separate device.

Re:Deal breaker (4, Insightful)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year ago | (#43934967)

Sony must be loving this. And even Ouya! Then there's the PRISM spying thing going on, with Microsoft being the first to roll over and expose it's belly to the Gov. And now they want to sell us a machine that's got to be left online with a mic/camera in the device? Nice try, but no chance. XBox1984

Re:Deal breaker (5, Insightful)

Xest (935314) | about a year ago | (#43935325)

Why would Sony be loving it? If history is anything to go by then Sony will be at least as worse, the difference is that unlike Microsoft they're just not being open about it. If anything it seems more like Microsoft is testing the waters to see what they can get away with, if there really is just way too much negative feedback they'll likely losen the restrictions somewhat. In contrast Sony's business model is, as always, keep quiet and just dump it on the user saying nothing and hope no one notices.

I don't really like any of it (though at least the ability to share games with family members is a step forward, because that's better than most DRM/unlock codes on existing platforms where you're expected to buy a copy per family member) but pretending Sony is going to be some magical saviour is sad. We saw the Sony fanboys spreading the exact same FUD and doing the exact same thing last console round and look how that ended up. Removed features etc.

Anyone pretending Sony is going to be a saviour right now given that we've not even seen a picture of their fucking device yet let alone had any real concrete information about it is having a laugh, especially when track records are taken into account.

Re:Deal breaker (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935091)

That's fine. You pretty much cry about anything corporate or IP. We don't expect much from you.
 
But in the meantime maybe you can brush up on your coding skills, make some really cool games and give them out for free like you think everyone else should. Tell us how that goes for you.
 
Love and kisses,
        The content creaters of the world.
 
PS: We know you buy this stuff anyway regardless of what you claim here. Thanks for the cash, cry baby.

Re:Deal breaker (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935229)

But in the meantime maybe you can brush up on your coding skills, make some really cool games and give them out for free like you think everyone else should. Tell us how that goes for you.

If that's what you as an industry are hearing from us then you're missing it entirely.
We are willing to pay for quality consoles and games, but:
  + we want to "own" the console and have full control over it's use.
  + we want to "own" the games we buy and be able to loan them, give them away or sell them like any other piece of property we've purchased.

If you are going to control how we play, when we play, what we play and who we can loan/trade/sell to then drop your fucking prices and call it "console and game rentals", not "sales". Your greed, and your contempt for your customers, seem to be affecting your hearing and your judgement. If you want to make more money then make it easier for your customers to enjoy themselves with your products.

Re:Deal breaker (1)

blackdragon07 (1357701) | about a year ago | (#43935233)

Agreed!! I will not be buying this system! I bet 10 to 1 that they pull a Win8 and back track on at least the phone home part as long as people send the clear message of screw you on that while thats there M$! But they wont do it right away because the sheep will flock to the system without thinking about it....Looks like i will just spend the money on getting a new PC or the PS4....dont want to lose the fun time gaming with friends but i draw the line at phone home once a day in order to play games!

This'll be fun (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about a year ago | (#43934889)

So, apparently Microsoft think that they're not selling you games. Given that a similar case was difinitively lost in Germany recently, it'll be interesting to see how this one pans out.

Re:This'll be fun (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935019)

So, apparently Microsoft think that they're not selling you games.

They aren't selling you games; they are selling publishers rights to sell you game licenses on a common platform.

EA etc. are Microsoft's customers, not you. Well, you need to be courted to get more consoles out and to make the platform more attractive to more publishers, but you are more of a product selling point and less the target market.

Re:This'll be fun (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935135)

They will still sell millions. No one will really care. *I* care, which is why I will not be buying one. *I* am still waiting on them to make good their promise to make all the xbox games backwards compatible with the CURRENT gen. Silly me wanting to get what *I* paid for.

It is not the game resale that really bothers me as I rarely do that. It is buying of used (which I do a lot of) and 10 years from now will those authentication servers still be running? Oh they will not be ohhhh. I enjoy playing my old games all the time or that one gem "ive been meaning to get back to".

Re:This'll be fun (2)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#43935187)

I also will not be buying one, however I am not sure about the issue with backwards compatibility. Could you play a NES game on SNES? genisis game on saturn? a good portion of my gaming life has not been backwards compatible and im ok with that. if i have games for a system theres a high chance that I have said system. i personally dont mind having multiple systems set up, in fact i quite enjoy it. I can deal with internet checks on steam but there is no way in hell i will stand for it on a console even if i do enjoy most of the other functions. hardware wise i was really looking forward to this. I guess I will have to wait for someone to hack the systems and disable the phone home mechanism before i even consider it

10 Minutes (0)

Geek_Cop (930002) | about a year ago | (#43934899)

Before the entire thing is reverse engineered and these issues are no longer issues.

Re:10 Minutes (5, Insightful)

xclr8r (658786) | about a year ago | (#43935113)

This really sucks for those who go to places with lack of communication infrastructure. e.g. military, rural areas with electricity but no internet backbone. Obviously they are not the "intended" audience.

Re:10 Minutes (4, Insightful)

xclr8r (658786) | about a year ago | (#43935153)

I just realized another thing. The only time I play on a console is when the internet is down in my area for my PC MMO games. Guess I'm not the intended audience either.

Re:10 Minutes (4, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | about a year ago | (#43935173)

Believing that the issue no longer exists because one person cracks the first implementation is foolhardy at best, and idiotic at worst.

All it takes is for MS to bump the minimum software version required for new games, or add a critical new feature that everyone wants and suddenly you need to updated, and get into the never ending war of jailbreaking and patching. By buying a console with the expectation of it being regularly jailbroken, all you guarantee is that you end up unable to keep up with the latest software update, and hence the latest games.

Re:10 Minutes (1)

Geek_Cop (930002) | about a year ago | (#43935345)

Very true! I have a friend that hacks all the consoles (in Canada, you NSA bastards) and he constantly has people bringing back consoles. Seems like more hassle than what it is worth, kind of like the old hackable DirecTV cards. Microsoft has made the decision for me, I'm not buying it, ever.

Worse than Thought (5, Insightful)

Traciatim (1856872) | about a year ago | (#43934901)

So, in other words, all of the hyperbole and hand waving from users on forums that was washed aside saying it couldn't possibly be that bad... instead it turns out it's worse.

Steam Vs XBox One (4, Informative)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year ago | (#43934903)

This article on Penny Arcade Report provides some detail that the OP lacks: http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/microsoft-outlines-their-system-for-used-games-licenses-and-family-sharing [penny-arcade.com]

Re:Steam Vs XBox One (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#43935119)

The difference between Steam and XBox One is only a matter of degree. Steam doesn't allow you to buy or sell used games. Steam needs to phone home every three months or so instead of every day, but it still locks you out after that.

So basically, if you want to play games from the major publishers, your only choice is who to bend over for. Steam uses Vaseline, Microsoft doesn't. Perhaps Sony will choose not to bugger customers at all -- I'm not really keeping up with the PS4 rumors.

Re:Steam Vs XBox One (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935259)

Steam also sells games for super cheap. I buy my games for steam on disk, so if it ever disappears I can run the game with cracks. This is not a feature that consoles seem to offer.

Re:Steam Vs XBox One (5, Interesting)

ravenshrike (808508) | about a year ago | (#43935267)

Steam DRM is ridiculously EASY to crack given that with their authentication setup they could make it nearly bulletproof if they chose(and they are well aware of this but have done nothing much to fix it as it's a feature and not a bug) and more importantly, they have PLENTY of competition on their platform which forces them to price their fare accordingly.

*cough* bullshit *cough* (2)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year ago | (#43934905)

"When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission.

All it takes is a single cracker/hacker and it's gone.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (4, Insightful)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year ago | (#43934945)

Or a government official tapping them on the shoulder and asking for a feed. With the proviso that MS simply must NOT let their users know, but MS is protected from their customers by law for following gov rules. By having this open up, and the gov spying in, it's yet another point of entry. From what started as an ill thought out games machine has now become the XBox1984 spy machine.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43934969)

Can you just unplug it? Or is it hard wired to the console?

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (1)

TangoMargarine (1617195) | about a year ago | (#43935061)

Yeah...I'd like to see the fuckers record me if the damn thing is plugged into a power strip which is turned OFF :)

Although it's a moot point because there's no way I'd buy any new console from Microsoft or Sony these days anyway.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (1)

Streetlight (1102081) | about a year ago | (#43935055)

Exactly what I was thinking. This thing may be a gold mine for the NSA, FBI, CIA and other three letter US government spy agencies we may not even know exist. Great work, Microsoft, for these spy folks. If you buy one of these things, it needs to be unplugged from the electric outlet when not in use, and maybe that won't be enough to stop the spies. Check out recent articles about how these folks have obtained all Verizon phone records, and now it's known they got stuff from Google, Microsoft, etc., cloud services.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (5, Insightful)

Culture20 (968837) | about a year ago | (#43934995)

"When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission.

"Explicit permission" defined as signing any EULA associated with XBOX One.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935155)

... such as the one required to connect to their service every day to validate your games.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935185)

Uh huh. And if I'm a Xbox non-owner who has no EULA with Microsoft, and I go visit my friend's house who has an Xbox and we have a conversation in his living room that gets recorded..?

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (1)

Barryke (772876) | about a year ago | (#43935023)

or a stick with a camera. *cough*

Be realistic in calculating risks. Often a way more convenient attack vector exists.

Re:*cough* bullshit *cough* (1)

The Rizz (1319) | about a year ago | (#43935133)

Be realistic in calculating risks. Often a way more convenient attack vector exists.

I dunno ... "from any computer anywhere in the world" seems pretty damn convenient.

...and people will buy it anyway. (2)

trooper9 (1205868) | about a year ago | (#43934915)

They will buy them as fast as Microsoft can make them. No matter what Microsoft does, people will buy it. Look at Win8 for proof -- it's not selling well, but it's still selling. And both the XBox One and Win8 will be the only game in Microsoft Town soon enough.

Re:...and people will buy it anyway. (5, Insightful)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#43935215)

to be fair, people are not "buying windows 8" they are buying new PCs and laptops that happen to have windows 8 on them. the avg user still does not know he has choices and they just buy the new shiney and leave it stock

Thanks for making it easy MS. (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43934921)

Well I guess I am getting a PS4. That was an easy decision.

Re:Thanks for making it easy MS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934975)

Well I guess I am getting a PS4. That was an easy decision.

What makes you think the PS4 is any less invasive? Your only alternative is to not buy the current generation of consoles.

Re:Thanks for making it easy MS. (4, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935005)

The WiiU is already less invasive. Odds are Sony will use this as a club to beat MS with. If they have a console that offers customers the ability to own games that will be huge.

Re:Thanks for making it easy MS. (2)

PoliSciASU (914975) | about a year ago | (#43935151)

Microsoft has given Sony a big opportunity here, but it's up to Sony to actually take advantage of it. If they don't, the console market might be in serious trouble. By taking away most of the advantages that consoles had over PCs they risk losing even more market share.

Re:Thanks for making it easy MS. (5, Interesting)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935195)

I think Nintendo will just become king of the hill again in that case. They can promote the WiiU being the only console that has this and stores will push it hard.

Because Sony is nicer? (4, Insightful)

Arrepiadd (688829) | about a year ago | (#43935075)

So you basically forgot all the crap Sony has pulled out over the years... (e.g. rootkits). At least Microsoft is being honest about it.

As someone else said, the solution is to forgo both PS and Xbox consoles.

Re:Because Sony is nicer? (4, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935149)

I did not, I still do not trust sony near computers. Microsoft is never honest. They claim it will not spy on you, but they were the first to get in bed with the NSA for PRISM.

I have been eyeing up the WiiU so that is an option.

There are some parts of this that don't suck (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934931)

I know everyone is going to focus on the 24 hour / 1 hour network ping and that is fair. But there are some really nice aspects to this for some people. Being able to share your games with friends and family (up to 10) is pretty awesome and in no way possible for normal people today. I haven't had an internet outage last longer than 1 hour in years, so unless I get all tinfoil hat about secret agents watching me play games this really isn't a concern for me.

Re: There are some parts of this that don't suck (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934977)

But I can share my games now, without limit and without having to ask anyone for permission. So, yes. This is a step back.

Re:There are some parts of this that don't suck (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43934981)

In no way possibly now?
So I am hallucinating my and my brother mailing games back and forth? The game sharing my IT dept does is also some figment of my imagination?

Re:There are some parts of this that don't suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935089)

If that's how you want to roll in 2015 then go for it. The idea that my family and I can all enjoy a game together, scattered across the country, without having to be fucking mailing disks around constantly sounds like a feature to me. Sorry.

Re:There are some parts of this that don't suck (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935123)

Sure, but not a feature I would trade for no used games.

My family is scattered across 3 continents, how would that work?

Kudos to Microsoft ... (1)

AngryDill (740460) | about a year ago | (#43935317)

...for at least "lubing it up," first! ;-)

nsa collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934935)

Just add another device to the NSA collection list.

Definitely getting a playstation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934937)

I can't imagine justifying the expense of a $400 console with these kinds of restrictions. A gaming PC is starting to look like a much better investment.

But you can still watch TV... (5, Insightful)

selectspec (74651) | about a year ago | (#43934939)

I love that part. You mean I can still watch TV without "checking in", just as I could if I hadn't bought the stupid fucking box in the first place?

Re:But you can still watch TV... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934973)

TV... and SPORTS!

Then I'm not buying it. (5, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about a year ago | (#43934943)

Seriously, the need to phone home once/day is a deal breaker. Not being able to take a game over to a friends place without signing into my account is a deal breaker. Telling me how I can sell or giveaway my used games is a deal breaker.

There's nothing about this that I'm interested in. I don't play games online, my XBox isn't connected to a network because they started putting ads into the games, and I refuse to give them a channel for it.

So, my single purchase (or non-purchase) is insignificant, and Microsoft won't care. But of the people I know who own an XBox, pretty much all of them have said they don't want this either.

There's nothing about this new platform that sounds good for the consumer, and it certainly doesn't leave them much choice.

So whatever the first next-generation console is which can be ran entirely offline without any network connection over its lifetime stands a pretty good chance of getting bought. But Microsoft can eat shit if they think I'll pay them for the privilege of owning one of these (which I'm sure the EULA says we don't own anyway).

Either I and people like myself will pretty much be irrelevant, which is fine, or there's going to be a huge consumer backlash against this, and Microsoft is going to find themselves holding the bag on a gaming platform nobody wants.

what is the time out for steam? (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43935043)

what is the time out for steam?

Re:what is the time out for steam? (2)

Shirogitsune (1810950) | about a year ago | (#43935217)

About 3 months...depending. One guy at our office had it wanting to re-auth after three days of being disconnected.

Re:Then I'm not buying it. (3, Informative)

shigutso (2932389) | about a year ago | (#43935341)

So whatever the first next-generation console is which can be ran entirely offline without any network connection over its lifetime stands a pretty good chance of getting bought.

The Nintendo Wii U.

The new generation of consoles (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934983)

will soon be dubbed Xbox Pwned One and Pwned 4.

Sony... will you be smart? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43934993)

Lets see.. Microsoft shoots in the foot during the presentation and now just sealed the deal with a shoot to the head.
Does Sony CEO have the brain to use this to his advantage?

This raises only more concerns.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935001)

"They also say data gathered during normal use" .. does this mean they *can* upload the lidar scan of my living room? Or pictures? I really do not like. This is a reason to stop playing games! Its one of the reasons i avoid facebook apps/games. Stop spying on me!

This generation sucks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935003)

I think it's the first time a new generation console gets more press because of its restrictions and BS than its features and games.

Joining the people's not buying one (3, Insightful)

Formorian (1111751) | about a year ago | (#43935007)

I owned a XBOX 1 and Xbox 360. I liked them better then Sony/Nintendo offerings. But this whole used game thing along with phone home. I haven't had my 360 plugged into the internet for 8 months now. I play most console games offline. If I want to play online with friends, that's what my PC is for.

So I had bought 3 xbox 360's, I won't be buying 1 One.

Re:Joining the people's not buying one (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935283)

How they got people to buy all these 360s never ceases to amaze me. If my car took a shit after a couple years I would not be buying more from that brand.

Add in the PRISM spying this console will surely be doing and you would have to be a fool to buy it.

Re:Joining the people's not buying one (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935319)

It's sad that you had 3 360s, probably red rings? People put up with a lot of faulty hardware from MS already...

Old Dude's Opinion (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935013)

I've always resented Xbox. The annual subscription required for online use, versus Sony's free online, and lots of other things made me wonder why it was so popular. Regardless, it became a very popular platform. Today, Microsoft seems to be intoxicated with the power of its popularity and market share. from dictating crappy interfaces in Windows and Office, to this latest bit of customer abuse with XBox One.

I wound up buying a couple of XBoxes and paying the subscription fees for my son. But I absolutely will NOT buy another one. I'm interested to see if they will suffer any real backlash toward, what are in my mind, poor decisions with this new XBox. It is my suspicion that the majority of their audience are easily manipulated adolescents that are not footing the bill, so it will likely be a huge success.

I wonder if Sony's Playstation 4 will come from less usurious? Never mind, I should know better. Looks like I won't be buying any more gaming consoles. At least the wife will be happy.

Re:Old Dude's Opinion (3, Interesting)

ganjadude (952775) | about a year ago | (#43935253)

for the longest time xbox live was hands above the playstation network and wiichannel. that has changed over they years but for under 50 bucks a year (coupon codes are or were easy to get) i didnt find it to be unreasonable. The new stuff with this new console is a total deal breaker however.

I'm sure XBox won't record our conversations... (5, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | about a year ago | (#43935015)

...just like I'm sure the Obama Administration would never obtain the phone and email records for every American! [pcworld.com]

What?

Re:I'm sure XBox won't record our conversations... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935105)

They won't record *conversations*, just who was talking, and how long they talked. Just to weed out the "normal" game players from those using Xbox to practice for their next terrorist mission. Don't you feel safer already?

Re:I'm sure XBox won't record our conversations... (2)

h4rr4r (612664) | about a year ago | (#43935321)

Yeah, just "Metadata" about the conversation.

Since terrorists are rare and they are hard to catch they will use this to go after victimless crimes and the like. They already have the data so they will find a use for it.

it aint easy being microsoft. (4, Funny)

nimbius (983462) | about a year ago | (#43935021)

the act of pedaling Redmond into the earth takes careful planning. Some very important people have to get up very early in the morning and make some very poor decisions. if the selling points are 'only every hour' connections and 'wont record your private conversations' then id hate to see the downsides of the product.

yeah, sure that will last (1)

stewsters (1406737) | about a year ago | (#43935035)

When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

Until Microsoft gets the same treatment executive order that Verizon got... Remember that the console has to send a transcript of what it has heard back home every 24 hours or it stops playing games (but continues to record?)

Yu-0 Fail It (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935037)

First game system you can't keep a collection of (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935071)

Think about what happens after this generation is over, in 10-15 years. Eventually, the XBO servers will be taken down, and none of the games will work.

It won't be like you pulling out your Dreamcast or SNES to relive fond gaming memories--this literally won't be an option. Now starts the time when gaming history eventually fades into nothing.

Don't get me wrong, any disc based game eventually will be in the same boat--as these discs will eventually decay. Whereas cartridge based game systems may work, no problem, in 100 years or more if kept in a dry place.

I don't play console games anymore. (2)

Lord Kano (13027) | about a year ago | (#43935087)

I don't see why people are so willing to spend that kind of money to get screwed over.

LK

Upside not an upside. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935093)

On the upside, anyone using your console will be able to play your games, and you can share your games with up to 10 members of your family for free.

As opposed to, oh, buying the game, owning it, being able to stick that game disk in any console, lend it to anyone in or outside the houshold as you see fit, and so on, and so forth?

Yea verily, arbitrary restrictions that seem generous are the new upsides to being able to do whatever you want. Because, you know, that's just too much freedom for you.

Cue the NSA (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#43935129)

"When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded." They also say data gathered during normal use won't leave the console without your explicit permission"

Except of course when a secret court grants the NSA permission to compel Microsoft to activate the video and audio sensors to conduct illegal suspicionless spying on American citizens.

Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935131)

Their name is finally starting to take on meaning. ...in all aspects of what that company does. I can't wait for the generation that doesn't know what a microsoft is, or why a company with such a name was ever the biggest company in the world.

Windows 8, now this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935147)

Sure microsoft has made missteps in history (windows me, clippy....ms bob) but the most recent 2 "big things" turn out to look like piles of shit. microsoft always was able to at least fix the error (usually) pretty quickly. if you dont sell lots of winME, 2k (though for workstations) was right there, and anyone nerdy enough to be super dissatisfied could grab win2k. but the life cycle of a console is likely another 5+ years, and agreements with devs about their choice for used games cant easily be broken (they might be able to be paid out though). theres a hope that they patch and buyout contracts re: used games but don't hold your breath. i was going to get both new big consoles and a i preordered my gamepop and ouya, but now it'll be a ps4 in a threeway with my android consoles :)

The last straw (4, Interesting)

Aerokii (1001189) | about a year ago | (#43935157)

It's been fun, Xbox, but this is where we part ways. None of these things are technically even huge issues for me- I have a stable internet connection and wouldn't want to bring the console to a cabin or anything. I never sell my games, since I like collecting them- and hell, I'm sure that in 15 years when they take the servers down they'll probably just gut the DRM or lock the games to a specific console and remove the online requirement or do SOMETHING to make sure our games don't become fancy, expensive coasters.

But it's a matter of principle. I don't want a console that treats me like I'm a thief, needing to check up on me once a day to make sure I'm not smoking pot or something. If I fall on hard times and need to sell somethings to get by, I want to know that for the 60 dollar game I bought that there's an option to do so and potentially feed myself for a week. I don't want to worry what will happen to my favorite titles in fifteen years, if I'll be able to play them- that's nothing someone SHOULD have to worry about (And honestly I still prefer Halo 2 to any of the later games anyway...)

I hope the generation that follows this learns from the mistakes being made here. Until then, I'll see you on the PC/Wii U.

"Family" Sharing (0)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | about a year ago | (#43935161)

The idea that you can share games with anyone on your list of 10 "family" members is honestly pretty useful. You can apparently also give a title to anyone who's been on your list for 30 days and it freely transfers permanent ownership. I've bought and sold a few games used and missing that will be a loss for some people, but for me the ability to buy a single copy of a game and share it between all ~5 xbox users I know will be a lot more useful.

Why do they call it the Xbox One? (4, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | about a year ago | (#43935167)

Cause you take One look at it then turn around 360 degrees and walk away.

What a great deal! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935177)

Thanks microsoft! This kills any need i have to continue paying you money for any reason at all!

There's plenty of companies willing to screw me over and spy on me for FREE!
Or at least alot less than you charge for a specific purpose but general capability and pretty outdated computer.

And i do appreciate finding out all this bullshit BEFORE i spent money on the xbox one. I'd have been really pissed had i bought one to find out this garbage.

Unfortunatly alot of people won't notice this stuff until after they buy it... So i can continue to hear about how shitty the xbox one is from plenty of pissed off customers for the next few years.

Microsoft... You do know nobody LIKES you right? We've only ever done business with you because we were forced to most of the time...
Gamers and games are the major reason you still exist for home consumers. Good job on trying to correct that. Once you get rid of the gamers and their support. Maybe we can finally get rid of you completely!

Cease to Offer Services Clause (4, Insightful)

Jason Levine (196982) | about a year ago | (#43935193)

They also have a "We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons." clause. So even if you like a feature (like sharing a game with up to 10 family members), you might find that feature suddenly removed or altered in such a way as to make it useless.

The elephant in the room: Rentals (5, Insightful)

BenJeremy (181303) | about a year ago | (#43935199)

I think the bigger issue missed here is that rentals are simply no longer possible with Xbox One.

Microsoft has killed the game rental market in one fell swoop.

Personally, I think this is a dumb move... I've bought many games after trying them out as rentals; I doubt I am alone with that practice. That is a lot of potential marketing tossed down the toilet.

Even if the used game market survives (though I doubt it will ever be a factor again), the rental market is gone, gone,gone.

Xbox One Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935201)

No thanks. My 360 and PS3 will do me jus fine.

Banned from Xbox live? (5, Interesting)

hammyhew (2729501) | about a year ago | (#43935203)

What if I get banned from Xbox Live? Does this 24-hour check-in fail? Am I no longer allowed to play my single player games?

Another executive decision as brilliant as "Metro" (1)

Str1der (524776) | about a year ago | (#43935205)

So no point in taking the console on vacation if you have no internet, also if you're internet is down for more than 24hrs you're screwed. The 10 person limit on playing your own games is laughable. No thanks M$, I'd would actually like to control the things I own.

Oh Goody an Xbox story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935223)

Still no mention of the breaking PRISM [guardian.co.uk] scandal.

News for Nerds indeed.

Uh huh... (3, Interesting)

bmo (77928) | about a year ago | (#43935237)

"When Xbox One is on and you're simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded."

Considering the stories about the NSA datamining in both the telecom and computing services industries, I have two words to say:

"Likely story."

It will be turned on to record, to find "terrorists."

This gets a big "nope."

http://www.humorgas.com/image/1359731250348625995.JPG [humorgas.com]

--
BMO

Kindle - publishers can allow lending (4, Informative)

Harald Paulsen (621759) | about a year ago | (#43935239)

Just like publishers of e-books CAN allow you to lend out a kindle-book to someone.

They don't though.

Granted, I haven't bought many kindle books, but as far as I can see none of my books are lendable.

Purpose of the Always On requirement (2, Interesting)

Somebody Is Using My (985418) | about a year ago | (#43935271)

What exactly does the always-on (okay, "on at least once every 24 hours") requirement serve?

I doubt it's for checking game licensing issues. That is better done when the game is actually launched (and probably will be anyway). It's stupid otherwise; you slot in a CD for a game your buddy owns and a day later it informs you that there is a licensing issue (or alternately, if the default is "always deny", you buy a game and you aren't allowed to play until the next 24 hour check-in)? So it's not about the games.

Anti-hack checks to ensure you haven't rooted your own hardware. It could compare the OS signature to some secure key on its servers. But that hardly seems workable; after all, if (when) the XBoxOne is hacked, that will be surely the first thing that is disabled.

Advertising perhaps; after all, the recent Dashboard upgrades have focused on putting more and more advertisements on your screen. Microsoft is surely going to continue in this direction with its newest console. But does that really require an always-on connection?

Maybe it's for uploading game or network metrics (or NSA monitoring, for the paranoid). But surely this is not such a necessary thing as to upset their customers to such a degree.

So, honestly, what makes this "always on" requirement so important that Microsoft is willing to risk sales over its inclusion? Why (aside from the boneheaded stubbornness that prevents them from backing down on any of their dumb decisions like the Ribbon or Metro) does Microsoft feel this is something they /have/ to foist on the public? Better to make the console work like the 360; it will use a network connection if it finds one but otherwise it is not a requirement for operation (at least, not for the console; games may still require an internet connection to license, but we already see that with current games).

SFI (1)

AndyKron (937105) | about a year ago | (#43935289)

This is a good test to see how many stupid fucking idiots are out there, because only a stupid fucking idiot would buy it.

No used game sales means less new game purchases (3, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | about a year ago | (#43935295)

Part of the reason people will buy a brand new release-day game is because they can hammer the shit out of it in a short time over a holiday break and sell it used to recoup some of the cost (over 50% for new titles, easily). If this isn't the case, the era of $60+ release-day console games is over.

As a former Navy Veteran - (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935305)

We used to play video games while deployed on ship underway. No internet to connect to, and the XBOX360/PS3 were the consoles of choice in our rec-room. This completely screws the active duty military in a lot of places. Looks like more military will be using their PC's instead of the consoles, however this also happened when 'SPORE' came out on PC.... it required an internet connection to play and the people who bought it for deployment were many unhappy people.

Xbox One..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43935313)

Looks like Xbox one is the new Windows 8. Going to fail bigtime..

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