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297 comments

Aghast (5, Informative)

zeigerpuppy (607730) | about a year ago | (#43951357)

I am literally speechless.

Re:Aghast (-1, Flamebait)

arglebargle_xiv (2212710) | about a year ago | (#43951621)

I am literally speechless.

So am I. He helped destroy the career of two promising football players. The school should have pushed for the death penalty to send a signal to others, rather than the wimpy ten years he's getting.

Re:Aghast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951687)

nice zero-effort flamebait, they must love you over at le reddit

Rancid as fuck! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951363)

As you know, I have a rancid asshole. In fact, I dare say that my asshole is the rancidest asshole all around! But... did you know that my asshole is also a tadpole sucker? I'll suck the tadpoles out of your fetid cocks, and you can derive pleasure from stabbing the feces inside my foul ass with said cocks. What say you?

Re:Rancid as fuck! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951391)

As you know, I have a rancid asshole. In fact, I dare say that my asshole is the rancidest asshole all around! But... did you know that my asshole is also a tadpole sucker? I'll suck the tadpoles out of your fetid cocks, and you can derive pleasure from stabbing the feces inside my foul ass with said cocks. What say you?

I have the weirdest boner.

This is SO WRONG !! (4, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#43951365)

The system is totally fucked up, and I mean, TOTALLY FUCKED UP !!!

Never in my life I could imaging the government in the United States could be so fucked up !

Not only they broke the CONSTITUTION with their phone tapping and their PRISM, now they are doing that to the people who volunteered their skill to preserve what needed to preserve - THE EVIDENCES which had helped the prosecutors in that rape case !!

FUCK MAN !!!

United States is NO LONGER the land of the free, and those who live in it are no longer the braves, either !!!

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951427)

You're not going to do anything about it though cowboy, are you? Sorry to Godwin, but the Jews that fared best in WWII were the ones that saw the writing on the wall and GTFO before SHTF. Good luck to ya though.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (3, Insightful)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#43951449)

I am a citizen of the United States of America, and I've moved out a decade ago and a half ago

At that time I said to myself, one day when USA gets better I would return

But, will it ??

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43951575)

So where did you end up?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951675)

He moved to Canada, just like everybody who keeps threatening to.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951631)

Yup, I left about a decade ago too. I'm much happier for it. God Fuck AmeriKKKa!

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (0)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#43951779)

So moving out is going to make it better? Sounds to me like it's the ultimate cop-out.

Survival vs Copping out (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951867)

Back in the pre WW II days, those Jews who decided to stay behind (even if they could afford to move away), sure didn't commit any sin of cop out --- OTOH, those who did cop-out, didn't end up in the oven, tho

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951781)

Why don't you go ahead and renounce your citizenship then?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952055)

Are you 12 years old?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952105)

It won't.

As a matter of fact, what goes on in America may no longer stay in America. It may spread across the world with word that they can spy on phone records in other nations.

In other words, welcome to the new world order.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (1)

evanism (600676) | about a year ago | (#43951699)

Well, when the fascists come it looks like a good idea. Until, that is, the authorities are politicised, injustice is rampant, corruption is rife, financial systems fail and the government doesn't explain itself.

The USA is doomed. Utterly doomed.

"The terrorists" aren't the problem. It's the government.

Obama hasn't failed. The citizens have. They have failed themselves.

LEAVE YOUR COUNTRY BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#43951783)

The government is us.

The US government is no longer "us" (2)

Taco Cowboy (5327) | about a year ago | (#43951923)

The government is us

According to my primary school history text books, the government is us

However, I have grown up, and the reality has changed as well

The US government is no longer "us"

No more

During the Watergate era, I was very proud to be an American --- because, at that time, America is the only country in the world where the CONSTITUTION took precedence, so much so that a president could lose his job for doing a wrong thing

Now ?

If you still think that the same thing can happen to Obama, I have a beautiful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (5, Insightful)

quenda (644621) | about a year ago | (#43951429)

Could be worse. If the hackers had exposed government coverup of murders, they would be tortured and charged with a capitol crime.

Lets spare a though for Bradley Manning here, whose torture and trial have barely rated a mention in the US media, unlike Steubenville.

United States is NO LONGER the land of the free,

Was it ever? Highest imprisonment rate in the world now, even worse than Russia.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951589)

"land of the free" means free to make your own choices. it doesnt mean freedom from consequences for your actions.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951671)

So choose to abet crimes or choose to be arrested.

That's some freedom you got there, fella.

Funny, it seems like it's the same freedom you had under dictatorships: you're free to choose to follow the rule of the dictator or face the consequences of your actions not doing so.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951819)

Don't forget, in a fascist country, "crimes against the state" are taking very seriously. After all, millions of illegal aliens voted for this rule of law. Some multiple times.
Your forefathers would have been shooting redcoats at this point, but the best you can do is lament the castration of the constitution, nay, your UNALIENABLE rights behind a computer screen.
Keep voting for hope and change, and wonder why our elected officials die in office of old age.
money
guns
lawyers
in that order.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951595)

Manning committed treason and violated his oaths not because he's selfless, but because he didn't like his boss and has an inflated sense of self importance.

The Steubenville hacker deserves far more sympathy.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951709)

So the crimes revealed are faked? Or are they just not as important as Bradley not liking his C.O.?

He UPHELD his oath to support the constitution.

The apache heli pilot and gunner VIOLATED their oaths.

And since you're not at war, he cannot, even if he was working for Al Quaida directly as a mole, commit treason.

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951733)

let's see... the other case is a rape case, manning provided information on several war crimes which should be prosecuted but weren't..

Re: This is SO WRONG !! (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43952081)

Manning committed treason and violated his oaths

Manning's most important oath is to defend the Constitution against enemies domestic - that oath takes precedent over any others. And it's exactly what he did.

Besides that, how can you possibly not have learned the lesson Nuremberg?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43951925)

Don't forget the Nazis... we beet the Nazis... and Stalin to.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951433)

SO.

Whats the solution?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about a year ago | (#43952005)

A fundamental reboot/restart/retooling of every government agency with every person fired. Rep. Trey Gowdy [youtu.be] explained it rather well.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (2)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951443)

and those who live in it are no longer the braves, either !!!

The hacker was arguably brave/stupid.

The situation reminds me of the saying "all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing", applicable on several levels here I think.

All I can say is ... (2)

golodh (893453) | about a year ago | (#43951513)

it's no good moaning about it on slashdot. Those prosecutors act in *YOUR NAME*. Their actions are covered by mandates *YOU* ultimately gave them (either actively or by acquiescence).

Think of what and who you will be voting for in the next elections.

It's not too late to reward politicians who will back sane and reasonable sentences.

Only, be aware that idiotically high sentences on computer breaking-and-entering are partly due to the feeling that a 'deterrent' is needed because the chance of discovery and successful prosecution is so low.

Therefore be prepared to allocate more money to e.g. educate the police, DA, and judges on computers and to to give every police force basic competence in computer crime fighting (so they will understand what they're doing). And yes, that will cost money.

This is the fun part though: the toughest questions end up with *YOU*, the voter. And it's *YOU* who bears the ultimate responsibility. Not "The Government", not the DA, not the police. YOU.

Be glad of that though ... you don't get that everywhere.

Re:All I can say is ... (1)

stanIyb (2945195) | about a year ago | (#43951599)

And it's *YOU* who bears the ultimate responsibility. Not "The Government", not the DA, not the police. YOU.

Right... the people doing these things have nothing to do with any of it. If someone's doing nothing or actually cheering on this sort of nonsense, I can see it being partly their fault, but that's not always the case.

Re:All I can say is ... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951633)

What a naive view of politics in the USA. You honestly are clueless if you think the people voted into office give a damn about their constituents actually want. They answer to the highest bidding lobby/corporation that promises to pay for their campaign in return for political support.

Re:All I can say is ... (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about a year ago | (#43951737)

"It's not too late to reward politicians who will back sane and reasonable sentences."

Yes, it is. Realistically you have three options: Vote republican, vote democrat, or throw away your vote. The parties have set things up between them to effectively exclude any independent or third-party participation. You see a handful at the state level, and once in a blue moon one even makes it to congress, but that's all.

Re:All I can say is ... (4, Insightful)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | about a year ago | (#43951773)

Since when has voting ever been enough? You need to join activist organizations. Volunteer for campaigns. Write letters to your representatives (look what letter writing did to SOPA).

The idea that being a couch potato for two years, then driving down to the polls and casting a vote is enough is ridiculous.

Real change isn't something that happens that passively. Learn some history. Look what it took to get the Civil Rights Act passed.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#43951561)

Maybe the hacker's lawyer was simply... bad?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951655)

Was he a hack?

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951619)

why does shit like this get marked insightful when the comments here that point out the obvious fact that this alarmist idiot article is comparing actual to potential sentences, two totally different things get barely a mention?

1. "totally fucked up / never in my life could i imagine fucked up." good for you.
2. "broke the constitution.." except that they didn't, as judged have ruled. so take your hollywood upstairs degree in constitutional law.
3. "fuck man." brilliant.
4. "no longer land of the free." - you mean you can no longer illegally hack systems (even if you personally think you are ethically in the clear) and not expect to be punished and caught for it? "land of the free" means the freedom of opportunity - not freedom from punishment if you break the law.

grow up man. and SHAME on the mods who voted this juvenile rant as "insightful."

the NSA can illegally hack systems? (1)

decora (1710862) | about a year ago | (#43951995)

i mean, its right there in black and white in their internal documents. offensive hack capability violates international law and domestic lalw.

the fundamental problem is the idea that the government doesnt have to follow the same laws as the people. thats a problem and historically civilizations haved moved towards a system of legal equality for all, not a special eception for the already powerful

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951885)

The system is working as intended.

Rape only affects the one individual, usually middle or lower class. Even if the rapist goes to jail, gets out and does it again, his victims are likely to be amongst the proles.

A hacker, however, has the potential to affect the wealth and power of the upper classes. He can break into a computer and steal valuables, information, or identities! Sure, in this case his actions only affected a couple of criminals, but in the future he might use his skills against somebody important.

Obviously, then, the hacker is more of a threat and must be punished more harshly.

Re:This is SO WRONG !! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43951943)

United States is NO LONGER the land of the free, and those who live in it are no longer the braves, either !!!

No, we took care of the braves. Ever heard of the Westward Expansion? Manifest Destiny? You know, Genocide? You know, we just needed some elbow room [youtube.com] .

Geronimo!

dat justice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951371)

So... hacking into a fratboy's fb account is a more serious charge than raping the everloving shit out of someone?

Any tips on bulk-order condoms and hockey masks?

Re:dat justice (4, Insightful)

Dthief (1700318) | about a year ago | (#43951503)

From the article it appears that he is being charged with hacking the school website in order to upload the video, not being charged for preserving the content for authorities.

That being said, I still think the relative sentences are really out of whack, and that rapists (even juveniles) should absolutely be more harshly punished than hackers who do not hack in a way that causes significant harm.

Re:dat justice (5, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43951933)

Keep in mind that "Significant harm" usually means the victim now has to spend lots of money upgrading the security that they never had in the first place. Because, after all, they would never had needed that if it wasn't for said hacker right?

Re:dat justice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952079)

Any tips on bulk-order condoms

yes, both reservoir and inserts available.

Re:dat justice (1)

felrom (2923513) | about a year ago | (#43952089)

Not to be too overly ironic, but rape isn't a sexy crime. Legislators and prosecutors need to battle sexy crimes to get reelected, which is why we see the juxtaposition we have in this story. In some states (CA, MA, NJ) violation of their gun laws, even absent hurting anyone, will get your a longer sentence than rape will.

http://www.gunnews.com/new-jersey-gun-laws-punish-tx-man-for-legally-owned-guns/ [gunnews.com]

Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (5, Informative)

blarkon (1712194) | about a year ago | (#43951375)

Juveniles get different sentences to adults. "Vigilante Hacker" is an adult and the reported possible sentence is "maximum possible" which is quite different to "an actual sentence".

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (5, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#43951405)

"Juveniles" who commit "adult" acts of rape . . . aren't really "juveniles" any more.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951459)

If an 11yo can be tried as an adult...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/25/youngest-american-life-without-parole/

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0, Troll)

misexistentialist (1537887) | about a year ago | (#43951517)

If they drink adult beverages does that also make them adults? In fact I think babies are entitled to vote since they are already sucking on titties. Probably get more titty than Obama, so they should also be eligible to run for President.

Re: Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951731)

more proof that reading slashdot at (-1) is the only way to find comments worth reading.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951527)

So your argument is basically that if a crime would be considered "adult" content on TV, the accused should be tried as an adult?

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (1)

wbr1 (2538558) | about a year ago | (#43951581)

But teens who send or receive sexts of themselves and friends are child pornographers.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (1)

sonamchauhan (587356) | about a year ago | (#43951777)

That is quite literally, correct :)

Ridiculous (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year ago | (#43951629)

What a ridiculous thing.

Either have different treatment for Juveniles or not. Introducing stupid caveats like the above are responsible for the rot of the judicial system.

Why the hell is a rape a more adult crime than stealing?

Re:Ridiculous (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951741)

What a ridiculous thing.

Either have different treatment for Juveniles or not. Introducing stupid caveats like the above are responsible for the rot of the judicial system.

Why the hell is a rape a more adult crime than stealing?

So I take it you're opposed to the current structure of the law that lets a juvenile be tried as an adult?

Re:Ridiculous (2)

Frankie70 (803801) | about a year ago | (#43952017)

I am opposed to have exceptions in laws - i.e. Juvenile is always tried as juvenile - or always tried as adults.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951707)

"Juveniles" who commit "adult" acts of rape . . . aren't really "juveniles" any more.

That's right!

Rape makes a man out of a boy!

It should be a right of passage, "Son, it's time to be a man now. See that chick with the halter top, shorts and tramp stamp? Well, she's asking for it. Go get her! And I'm proud of you son!"

"Tomorrow, we'll go shoot you some guns and shop for a pickup truck."

"Oh wait, don't forget your Bible! There's some great techniques for rape in there!"

Re: Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951803)

"And don't let me catch you hanging out with those computer nerds at school. They're bad news, son."

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951841)

Only if you think that committing a crime is necessary to make you a man.

There are some SERIOUSLY degraded assholes on here supporting the jocks' rape of women.

Look, if it was a prank, then why not just cut the balls off these boys as a prank too?

You don't DIE from it, so it's all fine, right?

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951937)

"Juveniles" who commit "adult" acts of rape . . . aren't really "juveniles" any more.

But what counts is whether they are juveniles when they commit the crime, which is likely before they can understand the gravity of what they've done. That's especially true if they were drunk.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (3, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43951953)

"Juveniles" who commit "adult" acts of rape . . . aren't really "juveniles" any more.

The age cutoff is arbitrary. But when we do not treat it as inviolate, then we do us all a disservice. In practical terms, minors have no rights, and thus should have less responsibility. That is, they should never be tried as an adult, under any circumstances. It is always their parents' responsibility if their upbringing comes out wrong.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951423)

The maximum possible sentence is the actual sentence, unless he pleads guilty of course.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951437)

You're stating the rule; I think what we're taking issue with, here, is that the rules may need to be revised.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about a year ago | (#43951523)

Reading some of the responses to your post, I think people are missing your point. So. I am going to rephrase it so that they might understand.

The summary compares apples to oranges. It compares the sentence which the rapists actually received to the maximum sentence that the hacker MIGHT receive. The rapists MIGHT have received a much stiffer sentence than they did and it would be a travesty of justice if the hacker DID receive a sentence longer than that received by the rapists.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (1)

fldsofglry (2754803) | about a year ago | (#43951775)

To make it clearer:

Reading some of the responses to your post, I think people are missing your point. So. I am going to rephrase it so that they might understand. The summary compares apples to oranges. It compares the sentence which the rapists ACTUALLY received to the maximum sentence that the hacker MIGHT receive. The rapists MIGHT have received a much stiffer sentence than they did and it would be a travesty of justice if the hacker DID receive a sentence longer than that received by the rapists.

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951985)

f-f-f-faggot

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43951739)

how come there's plenty of cases of juvies being tried as adults for 30year sentences then..

Re:Juveniles get different sentences to adults. (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43951947)

I've always supported the idea that Juveniles that commit very serious crimes like this who can not serve their sentences because of their age should pass on their remaining sentence to their guardians (parents).

srsly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951409)

Enfuriating.

FTG (4, Insightful)

AndyKron (937105) | about a year ago | (#43951439)

But it's OK for the government to hack everybody, all the time. FTG

perversion of justice (4, Insightful)

MoFoQ (584566) | about a year ago | (#43951451)

I must say...it is a perversion of justice, puns not intended.

I may need to write to one of my local reps, Zoe Lofgren [slashdot.org] who's working to change the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act to make it "less vague" and have her add some other reforms.
Sure, "hacking" for vigilantism is wrong and two wrongs don't make it right, but neither does three: throwing the book at Deric Lostutter.

heck, that guy in texas who killed that escort got less [mysanantonio.com]

predictable (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951533)

The rapist is a danger to the individual. The hacker is a danger to the government. Now you know which is held in higher regard in our new fundamentally reshaped America.

Re:predictable (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951607)

the hacker is not a danger to the individual?

the crackpipe. STOP SMOKING IT.

Re:predictable (2)

jmhobrien (2750125) | about a year ago | (#43951721)

I was about to write this. If we are comparing the sentences, the question is about which threat poses the greatest risk to society. It is NOT about the actual damage done. As above, welcome to the new world.

stop comparing apples and oranges (1, Troll)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#43951545)

It doesn't make sense to compare actual sentences (and in this case juvenile sentences!) with theoretical maximums for adult defendants. So, knock off the fabricated outrage and let's wait for the outcome of the case. You can still get outraged after the actual facts are in.

Re:stop comparing apples and oranges (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951627)

It doesn't make sense to compare actual sentences (and in this case juvenile sentences!) with theoretical maximums for adult defendants

What they did, the way they fingered that poor girl, took video of it, and then spread the vid to everybody they knew, -- if that happened to your daughter, would you still say that it's a "juvenile" case ?

Re:stop comparing apples and oranges (2)

Holistic Missile (976980) | about a year ago | (#43951837)

If it was my daughter, it would now be a missing persons case as well.

As in "I have a specific set of skills..."

Re:stop comparing apples and oranges (2)

PRMan (959735) | about a year ago | (#43951661)

Wish I was on the jury. There's absolutely no way I would convict that guy. I mean, "Yes, he should be punished to the full extent of the law (pick me, pick me)."

Fair trial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951817)

Wish I was on the jury. There's absolutely no way I would convict that guy.

If you have decided on your verdict before hearing the evidence presented in court I think it is a good thing that you are not on the jury.

It turns out that jurys have to decide based on evidence and according to the law, rather than just guessing what happened and then picking the outcome that they personally prefer.

Re:Fair trial? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951857)

It turns out that jurys have to decide based on evidence and according to the law, rather than just guessing what happened and then picking the outcome that they personally prefer.

Never heard of jury nullification [wikipedia.org] ? It serves a purpose.

Re:Fair trial? (2)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43951955)

It turns out that jurys have to decide based on evidence and according to the law, rather than just guessing what happened and then picking the outcome that they personally prefer.

It turns out that jury is one of those words where you drop the y and add ies when you want to make it plural. Also, we have not just a right but a responsibility to nullify juries when the very case is unjust.

Re: Fair trial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952063)

Cool thing is that a judge can override that sometimes, and mete punishment anyway. Judgment notwithstanding verdict....

Re:stop comparing apples and oranges (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951835)

It doesn't make sense to compare actual sentences ... with theoretical maximums

Tell that to Aaron Swartz (or his survivors anyway).

"could get" vs "did get." (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951587)

article is BS.. comparing "could get" vs "did get" and getting slashdot nerds in a lather for no valid reason as if they were impressionable rush limbuagh listeners.

Such Reasonable Action (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951667)

From Mojo: [motherjones.com]

At first, he thought the FBI agent at the door was with FedEx. "As I open the door to greet the driver, approximately 12 FBI SWAT team agents jumped out of the truck, screaming for me to 'Get the fuck down!' with M-16 assault rifles and full riot gear, armed, safety off, pointed directly at my head," Lostutter wrote today on his blog. "I was handcuffed and detained outside while they cleared my house."

That's either an intimidation tactic or the geniuses at the FBI have seen too many Rambo reruns. A 12 person SWAT team to serve a search warrant on one person who they have no reason to believe is violent? If it was proportional, they would have sent an armored division to arrest the rapists. Somehow I doubt they did.

Re:Such Reasonable Action (5, Interesting)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#43951753)

It's the ongoing paramilitarization of law enforcement.

In my sleepy little city in a rural corner of my State, our 8-member police department has 2 armored vehicles, 28 fully-automatic machine guns, 2 grenade launchers, and routinely engages in military-style exercises on weekends where they set up Soviet-style checkpoints and violate peoples' civil rights. People have been bringing this up at city council meetings only to be told by the council members that this type of activity is necessary to keep us safe - the typical GOP line.

Even my "Tea Party" congressman, who ran on the "Tea Party" platform, has been completely silent on the recent revelations about government spying on American Citizens, instead focusing his efforts on the GOP's scandal-du-jour, usually whatever bullet list of talking points Sean Hannity is vomiting on his radio show that day.

All of it is paid for by the Federal Government's various drug and terrorism interdiction programs - and we're not even in a border state, unless you count the Atlantic Ocean to be a high-drug-traffic border.

Re:Such Reasonable Action (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951879)

It's the ongoing paramilitarization of law enforcement. In my sleepy little city in a rural corner of my State, our 8-member police department has 2 armored vehicles, 28 fully-automatic machine guns, 2 grenade launchers ...

The only way I disagree with you is the use of the "para" prefix in "paramilitarization".

Juvenile sentencing is less than adult sentencing (5, Informative)

GrumpySteen (1250194) | about a year ago | (#43951759)

This is nothing new. We, as a society, recognized long ago that children do stupid shit and sometimes shouldn't receive the full punishment for their actions.

If the Steubenville rapists had been tried as adults (and I think they should have), they would have been facing up to 25 years in prison. Under certain circumstances, Ohio law allows for a sentence of life in prison for someone convicted of rape, too, but I don't think that applies to those two. As it is, they not only have their sentences, but they're going to be added to the sex offender list for anywhere from ten years to life. They're going to find it very difficult to find jobs and places to live while they're on that list.

There's nothing shockingly disproportionate about a maximum of 10 years for hacking vs a maximum of 25/life for rape. You might argue about the specific numbers, but I think everyone will agree that rape is the more serious crime and Ohio law allows for more serious consequences, just as it should.

Re:Juvenile sentencing is less than adult sentenci (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952015)

Shhhh, we have some hiveminding to do. Don't bring facts into this!

Message to the Geeks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951847)

Justice system sending you clear message:
Stop sitting in front of the computer, go out and have some "fun"

two things (2)

buddyglass (925859) | about a year ago | (#43951855)

1. The hacker is an adult; the other two were juveniles.

2. 10 years is the maximum possible sentence he could receive. He hasn't been tried yet. It is unlikely he'll receive the maximum sentence, or even anything close to it.

Re:two things (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43951905)

10 years is the maximum possible sentence he could receive. He hasn't been tried yet. It is unlikely he'll receive the maximum sentence, or even anything close to it.

Unless he attacks the authority of the "justice system" by exercising his right to a trial. Ever hear of Aaron Swartz?

Re:two things (1)

buddyglass (925859) | about a year ago | (#43951951)

Yes. It is still unlikely this guy will get the maximum sentence. Due, in part, to Schwartz's case.

Re:two things (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952077)

Dream on. Swartz is only a cause célèbre amongst geeks. Everybody else has forgotten about it. "Hacker" is still considered a synonym for terrorist everywhere else.

Executive Clemency (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952001)

It would be a good use of executive clemency, instead of its usual corrupt use. In addition to being the right thing to do, it would probably be politically popular. No, I don't expect Mr. Hopey-Changey to grant it (some evidence I'm not delusional).

Ponzi scheme, Madoff, non violent crime, justice (3, Interesting)

rockytopchip (1398125) | about a year ago | (#43952049)

Just for thought, consider the case of Bernie Madoff. He was a con man running a ponzi scheme. There were a lot of folks who had money to invest. These folks wanted to get a large return on their investment. These folks willingly gave this investment money to Madoff. Most of these people ended up losing their investment, because it was a ponzi scheme. Madoff was arrested and has lost everything and is in jail for the rest of his life. People wanted Madoff to get the death penalty. Madoff did not rape anyone. Madoff did not commit a violent crime. The hackers also committed a non violent crime. And will spend more time in jail than most rapists. It's just not right.

Guys guys... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43952057)

You have to compare the maximum possible sentence for hacking to the maximum possible for hacking. The rapists faced a MUCH longer possible sentence.

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