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Linus Torvalds Promises Profanity Over Linux 3.10-rc5

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the cover-your-ears dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 334

hypnosec writes "Linus Torvalds has released Linux 3.10-rc5, and he is certainly not happy with the changes merged last week. Rc5 is bigger than rc4 and has code scattered across its entire code base because it addresses many outstanding problems. In the release announcement, Torvalds noted, 'I wish I could say that things are calming down, but I'd be lying. rc5 is noticeably bigger than rc4, both in number of commits and in files changed (although rc4 actually had more lines changed, so there's that).' Torvalds has warned that he is going to start cursing again, and said, 'I'm going to call you guys out on, and try to come up with new ways to insult you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster.'"

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first (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953919)

windows > linux

Re:first (-1, Troll)

future assassin (639396) | about a year ago | (#43953935)

Only when it involves chair throwing untill then Linux is safe.

Re:first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954577)

Yes! Linus is a wimp. Steve Jobs threw a monitor and Ballmer followed up with a chair but all Linus managed was to be bitten by a Little Penguin.

Re:first (0)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43954381)

In terms of resource consumption, yes, windows > Linux. Yeah, go for it. Why on earth did Microsoft claim that Windows XP could run on 128 meg of ram? Oh yeah - because being honest, and telling the world that XP really needed 512 meg to run well would increase the cost of computers to the point where people might explore Linux - which STILL can be configured to run on megs of ram, rather than gigs of ram. (before someone points it out, I'm very much aware that when poorly configured, Linux can waste 4, 8, or even 16 gigs of ram on the desktop environment and a browser)

Re:first (2)

theguyfromsaturn (802938) | about a year ago | (#43954435)

I'm still running Debian on 64 MB of RAM. With Xwindows and icewm. I can even browse the interwebs for a while with firefox until I hit a page with javascript requirements that beat the OS requirements. Sadly that is becoming the norm (I'm looking at you gmail)

Re:first (-1, Flamebait)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43954519)

A Windows 7/8 desktop is faster and consumes less resources than a Linux desktop (for fair comparison, we should look at modern full-feature DEs such as KDE, GNOME or Unity).

Re:first (1, Troll)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43954583)

No - I refuse to restrict myself to your definition of "modern full-feature DE's". There is really no need for these desktop environments. Eye candy is eye candy, and it adds little to nothing to the user experience over something such as Enlightenment or Mate. Further, there are various desktops that are more "lightweight" yet, and some of them are quite attractive. (personally, I don't find them ALL to be attractive - but that is somewhat beside the point) Waste is waste, it's really that simple.

Re:first (3, Informative)

Richy_T (111409) | about a year ago | (#43954589)

No. For a comparison, you need to look at usage requirements. If all you need is something on the level of fvwm, you can't get there with Windows.

Profanity? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953929)

Calm and measured explanations of just what the coders are doing wrong would be ever so much more helpful. If all Linus is going to do is mouth off then perhaps it's time he just STFU and GTFO.

Re:Profanity? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953969)

Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers.

Re:Profanity? (1)

JustOK (667959) | about a year ago | (#43954073)

what are you trying to say?

Re:Profanity? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954185)

what are you trying to say, bitch?

FTFY

Re:Profanity? (1)

jamstar7 (694492) | about a year ago | (#43954543)

Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers.

what are you trying to say?

Beats the shit outta me...

Re:Profanity? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954301)

Your post artfully demonstrates that which I have always held true.

People who are not afraid to curse are capable of having a much stronger control over their language of choice, than those who refuse to curse for some arbitrary reason.

Re:Profanity? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953981)

He did explained, which is "donâ(TM)t stop sending him non-critical stuff, he is going to start cursing again."

Obviously, people have not gotten his memo for the last 10 kernel releases- we've been hearing about this complaint since 3.0.

He is pissed because he has to waste time going thru the code for every single commit that should not go into a RC build.

At this point there's really only 2 things he can do- deny the commits, or/and swear at the dev. What else can he do, fire them?

Re:Profanity? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954013)

That's what he gave them now. The promise of profanity is for when they don't heed the advice.

The kernel merge window is closed, as can be deduced from the release candidate status of the kernel, so now is not the time to move stuff around, add more features, etc. Until the merge window opens again for the next release, it's all about fixing bugs, especially regression bugs.

Re:Profanity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954099)

what advice? your mother is a goat fucker ... dont see how that fixes monitor support

RC release are for bux fixes, not new features (5, Informative)

chromaexcursion (2047080) | about a year ago | (#43954049)

There's a more complete explanation in the article.
At this point in the RC cycle, the expectation is that only bug fixes will be introduced. The latest merge include changes that had nothing to do with listed issues.
New features belong in the 3.11 branch.

Re:Profanity? (1, Interesting)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about a year ago | (#43954251)

I think most of us stopped listening to Linus quite a while ago. I've followed him on various social media platforms and it's been pretty clear that over time they have turned him into an asshole. Some people (myself included) should just avoid posting whatever they think at any time they want under their real name. He should just pick up some handle on slashdot and post away like I do. That way you can still be a dick and not have everyone hate you for it. And no, I'm not Linus... well, I don't think so anyway. I need to ask my shrink to be sure.

Re:Profanity? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954395)

There's nothing wrong with being a dick when the situation calls for it. In fact that's sometimes the only way to get things done. Hiding behind anonymity just makes what you say LESS likely to solve anything, and worse, implies that you're just out to be a dick and not change anything.

If you're bothered by someone not being a wonderful human being all the time, then perhaps you've erected a few too many barriers against emotional stress, and should really consult your shrink about that as well.

Re:Profanity? (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | about a year ago | (#43954499)

Or he could take the correct approach and just deny the commit, rather than spewing noise about it, all the while taking non-bug fixes in an RC and then bitching about it. Why waste the time and energy. Make them resubmit with only bug fixes the way it is intended to be done.

Re:Profanity? (4, Interesting)

Stumbles (602007) | about a year ago | (#43954581)

Yeah he could do that and spend a lot of time spinning his wheels when a few well placed curses upon the offenders pet or pets would stop or reduce his spin time. Just how many times does he need to repeat himself after a while it becomes clear some public chastising might get their attention.

Re:Profanity? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | about a year ago | (#43954331)

Calm and measured explanations of just what the coders are doing wrong would be ever so much more helpful. If all Linus is going to do is mouth off then perhaps it's time he just STFU and GTFO.

I think he should take your advice. Clearly his methods have been unsuccessful [computerweekly.com] .

Re:Profanity? (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43954401)

he just explained what was wrong.

too much shit changing around. that shouldn't be in fifth release candidate.

Fuck Torvalds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953933)

We don't need any of his bullshit. He's a fucking rip off artist.

Yay; Linus the motivator (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953939)

Yes, next time, let's have fewer enhancements and bug fixes so that scary Linus doesn't cuss.

Re:Yay; Linus the motivator (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43954015)

You understand what "release candidate" is right? A release candidate is not a time for adding new enhancements. It should be for streamlining and tightening the code for release. The fact that RC5 is bigger than RC4 means that people either were not doing their jobs in the previous 3 releases or that the code submitted earlier was so crappy that it needs more work. Release candidates should get smaller than the previous not larger.

Re:Yay; Linus the motivator (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954405)

Streamlining and tightening code increases the "size of the release candidate" because that size is the number and size of the patches, not the absolute size of the code base. These "unnecessary" patches are meant to be merged during the merge window, and they are exactly what Torvalds is angry about. The release candidate phase is for fixing bugs, especially regression bugs, not for code beautification. And FFS Slashdot, the exponential backoff for ACs is ridiculous.

Whew (1)

filmorris (2466940) | about a year ago | (#43953945)

Lucky that he told us before. No one could have seen that coming. I mean, like he's ever done it before... The hamster thing is heartless though.

Re:Whew (4, Informative)

derGoldstein (1494129) | about a year ago | (#43954279)

It's comparatively tame this time. When I clicked on the link I expected much more flamboyant profanity. This isn't going into his top-ten vitriolic reactions, not even close (Google "linus torvalds hates" and see how many auto-completes you get).

WHY NOT DO SOMETHING ELSE ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953947)

Go into acting !! Or maybe woodwork !!

profanity (0, Troll)

buy59 (2930821) | about a year ago | (#43953949)

Torvalds has warned that he is going to start cursing again, and said, 'I'm going to call you guys out on, and try to come up with new ways to insult you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster.'"

This is why businesses choose Microsoft.

Re:profanity (2, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#43953965)

No, it's why Linux has made so much progress. It has nothing to do with why "businesses choose Microsoft."

Re:profanity (2)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#43954361)

Business choose microsoft, because business has choosen microsoft for 25 years...

Re:profanity (5, Insightful)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43953975)

Am I the only one that sees the dead hamster thing as a joke? Linus is not happy but he also seems to be making light of the situation. As for businesses choosing MS over Linux, I suppose you don't wander into many server rooms. I know in ones I've been in, there are as many or more Linux servers than Windows servers.

Re:profanity (0)

westlake (615356) | about a year ago | (#43954157)

As for businesses choosing MS over Linux, I suppose you don't wander into many server rooms. I know in ones I've been in, there are as many or more Linux servers than Windows servers.

Who just wanders into a server room?

Most of us are content to simply curse the administrator.

How many of those Linux servers are direct descendants of the UNIX servers which preceded them?

Re:profanity (1)

jelizondo (183861) | about a year ago | (#43954165)

And the profanity heard in such rooms is in direct proportion to the number of Windows servers...

Linus has the advantage of being able to curse personally those responsible for shit; whereas Windows admins can all only insult Microsofties collectively...

Re:profanity (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954167)

Am I the only one that sees the dead hamster thing as a joke? Linus is not happy but he also seems to be making light of the situation. As for businesses choosing MS over Linux, I suppose you don't wander into many server rooms. I know in ones I've been in, there are as many or more Linux servers than Windows servers.

This varies greatly, but I work for an international software company that just discontinued our Linux server product because of the overwhelming demand from Windows Server customers in comparison (growing over Linux). I know, just another anecdotal data point, but when you talk about seeing "as many or more Linux servers than Windows servers" I think you have a very particular and not necessarily representative type of server rooms you visit.

Re:profanity (1)

UnknowingFool (672806) | about a year ago | (#43954275)

I'm a contractor who has worked for multiple companies, some of the Fortune 100. For many companies I've worked for Windows Servers are used for Windows services like Exchange, Sharepoint, Active Directory, etc. Everything else was Linux with some big iron Unix now and then.

Re:profanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954549)

What bugs me about Exchange is that jmz is right and we'll never have an opensource groupware product worth anything because it's not sexy.

Meanwhile, Outlook is a shitty email client with a shitty calendar. Exchange only nominally manages to salvage it, and then only when sending messages within your own corporation. As soon as you need to send a meeting invite outside of your organization, watch the fuck out because if you send it to someone who doesn't have outlook, they get a blank email with an ICS attachment that their client may or may not be able to open to show them the meeting details.

Or you can turn ICS off, in which case if your recipient has a calendar they'll have to update it manually. Outlook is a complete fucking failure at sending meetings to another person. This is "the best" you can do. And yet nobody will ever be able replace it.

Re:profanity (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954249)

Of course it's a joke. But Linus's bad behaviour isn't something you can polish away with a joke. Telling people their code is buggy is perfectly fine, mistreating them the way Linus does isn't and he knows it. Well, he's an intelligent man, so why doesn't he stop? Simple. He enjoys abusing people and he's managed to make himself appear irreplaceable. Mind you, if he were working for me, I'd fire him instantly without a second thought. Maybe his replacement is going to be worse, but the effects of bad behaviour are insidious and structural and a lot worse long-term.

Re:profanity (2)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#43954467)

I'll PM Linus right now, and tell him that he should never apply for a job with Mr. Anonymous Coward. And, which of the Fortune 500 companies do you work for, Sir?

Re:profanity (1)

houghi (78078) | about a year ago | (#43954335)

Am I the only one that sees the dead hamster thing as a joke?

A joke? A JOKE? Linus can be seen right here [youtube.com] insulting my mom AND my hamster.

Seriously, if you did not get what he was talking about the first time, please hand over your geek card.

Maniac Mansion? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954429)

Maybe Linus has been playing Maniac Mansion recently?

Just because you can microwave the hamster doesn't mean that you should.

Re:profanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953985)

Agreed. But the real difference is that MS coders/managers curse privately and not publicly! :) (Citation Needed? = Business SOP #1 - Don't air dirty laundry :P)

Note that I'm not taking sides, but I think everyone curses, albeit in different ways. Torvalds, just does it openly and often it seems.

Re:profanity (4, Funny)

msobkow (48369) | about a year ago | (#43954019)

That's right. Instead of cursing in public, Microsoft executives throw furniture...

Re:profanity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953987)

No, this is why business rightfully keeps us engineers in isolation from the rest of the population.

Re:profanity (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953993)

Business owners aren't reading the linux kernel mailing list.

Re:profanity (5, Insightful)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43954003)

Oh come on. Did people shun Microsoft when Ballmer did the Sweaty Monkey Dance or threaten to "fucking kill Google"?

No one of consequence cares when Linus Torcalds acts like a petulant child - if they have an interest in Linux, they're more concerned about support availability and duration.

Re:profanity (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about a year ago | (#43954009)

Business could deserve (or at least, survive) what he have in store for them, their mothers or their deceased pet hamsters, but a chair could really harm them.

Re:profanity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954045)

Torvalds has warned that he is going to start cursing again, and said, 'I'm going to call you guys out on, and try to come up with new ways to insult you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster.'"

This is why businesses choose Microsoft.

Right. Because throwing chairs is so much more mature.

Re:profanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954051)

This is why businesses choose Microsoft.

Go back under your bridge you stupid troll.

Re:profanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954261)

Around 420 companies contribute code to linux. Its software development process is bigger than that of Windows.

Re:profanity (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954501)

and after 21 years they still cant produce a RC

Re:profanity (1)

Seumas (6865) | about a year ago | (#43954423)

Agreed. Windows is the choice for people who hate themselves, their mother, and their pets.

Re:profanity (2)

tragedy (27079) | about a year ago | (#43954457)

This is why businesses choose Microsoft.

Ah yes, no raging, chair-throwing, monkey-boy dancing whack-jobs running a solid organization like Microsoft, after all.

Re:profanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954545)

Torvalds has warned that he is going to start cursing again, and said, 'I'm going to call you guys out on, and try to come up with new ways to insult you, your mother, and your deceased pet hamster.'"

This is why businesses choose Microsoft.

Because, unlike Torvalds, Ballmer is a paragon of refinement and respect, right?

Torvalds is right (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43953967)

When you are maintaining a project of this size and you get bothered by little annoying cosmetical fixes and non-critical bugs you do lose your temper. I have to say he stayed pretty civilized till now. I suggest we start a kick-starter project to give torvalds the vacation he really needs!

Re:Torvalds is right (3, Interesting)

swalve (1980968) | about a year ago | (#43954055)

Maybe he should train some devs to take over some of the stuff he's doing. If Linus's genius is the only thing that keeps Linux on track, he's doing it wrong. Delegate or Linux will not survive long term.

Re:Torvalds is right (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954175)

Delegate or Linus will not survive long term.

Fixed.

Seriously, for his own health, and the health of Linux, it sounds like he needs to allow others to be in charge of portions. I know thats a hard thing to do, and I'm sure Linux is like one of his own children to him, but at some point you need to back away to let children flourish. And for your own sanity as well.

Here is my message to Linus (2, Insightful)

dugancent (2616577) | about a year ago | (#43954001)

Grow up.

Re:Here is my message to Linus (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954315)

Mine is "Thanks!"

Re:Here is my message to Linus (0)

gagol (583737) | about a year ago | (#43954393)

Feel free to review RC patch that includes non-critical-bug fixes... do you want Linus email?

The best thing Linus can do for Linux is stay away (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954027)

He does more harm then good now - so long and thanks for all the (mostly just ok) code!

Linus, Shut the Fuck Up (-1, Troll)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#43954039)

Linus, listen, you may be the father of the Kernel, but it is not your Kernel. It is not your own private property. You are enjoying the notoriety that comes on the backs of thousands of developers who, by the way, are working for free.

Shut the fuck up already. We're all tired of your childish bullshit. Bugs need to be fixed, and if a lot of them get fixed in a particular release, so be it. Shut your goddamn mouth for a change, understand that the Kernel has exceeded your ability to "go it alone," and get the FUCK out of everyone's way.

Fuck you very much, and have a nice day.

Well... (2, Insightful)

SirLurksAlot (1169039) | about a year ago | (#43954043)

Everyone has to have a hobby, right?

Seriously though, who the hell cares if the RC is bigger than the one before it, or whether the changes are scattered everywhere? If there were any number of concerns that needed to be addressed before the next release then it wasn't ready to go in the first place. Just test the hell out of everything, make sure nothing is broken, and make sure that each change was necessary and correct. In short calm your tits and keep coding.

Re:Well... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954101)

The point of the release candidate process is to provide something that contains the entirety of the feature set in a release, but to provide it for testing, not release.

Re:Well... (0)

interval1066 (668936) | about a year ago | (#43954105)

Seriously though, who the hell cares if the RC is bigger than the one before it...

That's kind of where my head is at in this. If Torvalds is really upset about it he can fork the code and create a "Linux-Lite" or something.

Re:Well... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954283)

This isn't iTunes or a new incarnation of Angry birds, it's a kernel. A kernel that has been used on almost any type of hardware imaginable (not just PC's but countless routers, phones, vacuumcleaners, navigational appliances and god knows what else), size use matters.

There aren't a whole lot of acceptable reasons why the bugfixes in RC increments should result in a larger codebase, which is probably why Linus is putting on his kicking boots.

Re:Well... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954109)

He's not bitching about it not being ready, he's bitching about it being even LESS ready. Being a project lead, he reserves the right to call people out when they're screwing the pooch and not cooperating for the greater good of the project. And even if it's not that dire, it's a good thing to remind people what their goals are, even if it means joking about insulting their dead pets.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954399)

I can take allusions to my dead hamster but don't you dare insult my pooch!

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954129)

it wasn't ready to go in the first place

Exactly. Linus is unhappy because already merged changes weren't as ready as they were supposed to be before merging to mainline.
This means that there will be need for more testing and more delays before releasing when the number of changes isn't decreasing as it should towards release-quality.

Re:Well... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954133)

He's angry because many of the changes are to non-critical stuff. That's not the priority, and it gets in the way.

Here's part of his quote in context, which the summary didn't bother to provide:

Guys, guys, guys. I'm going to have to start cursing again unless you stop sending me non-critical stuff. So the next pull request I get that has "cleanups" or just pointless churn, I'm going to call you guys out on, and try to come up with new ways to insult you, you mother, and your deceased pet hamster.

Re:Well... (0)

SirLurksAlot (1169039) | about a year ago | (#43954551)

Non-critical doesn't mean trivial or unimportant. Simply because he doesn't see the changes at the same level of criticality (is that a word?) doesn't mean that they're not important to someone. The message he sent out on the mailing list goes on to say:

Anyway, the rc5 changes are pretty much all over: pretty much exactly half are drivers (networking, usb, gpu, mmc, sound..), with the other half being various other subsystems. Some arch updates: MIPS, arm, smattering of ia64, microblaze, s390 and some x86. And networking (non-driver), xfs, fuse, gfs2, jfs..

I don't know about you, but none of those things sound unimportant to me. How long have people been bitching about driver and network support in the kernel? And he's complaining that that stuff is getting fixed? Please. The fact of the matter is that he's annoyed because he refuses the let got of the reins and let someone else help out. If he is the gatekeeper than this is what he should expect.

Re:Well... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954177)

I don't think you understand how software engineering works, Computer science maybe, but software engineering, clearly not. Or maybe you just didn't read TFA.

The problem isn't that the release is too broken, nor that a lot of critical fixes are needed. It's that devs are committing excessive non-critical stuff. At this point in the release cycle, ONLY critical stuff should be committed.

Linus has every right to be a bit angered. He's done so effectively, in a way that will get the devs attention (hopefully) and he's made a joke out of it. If that has no effect, he has every right to become MORE than a bit angered.

Re:Well... (5, Informative)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about a year ago | (#43954179)

Because people aren't sending him fixes for concerns that have to be addressed before the release. They're sending him "this is a bit messy, here's code that looks a bit cleaner" or "it works but I don't like it so here's a different way to do the same thing". And sometimes as the manager you have to smack the devs with the cluebat to get them to remember that it doesn't matter if the code's messy or ugly, it doesn't matter if there's another way to do it, it doesn't matter if there's a better way to do it, by the time you're at the release-candidate stage the only things you should be sending in changes for are fixes for the things that're actually not working right. If you don't, they'll keep tweaking forever and you'll never get a release. As a dev myself I can understand where Linus is coming from here. I doubt he's even really mad at anyone, just irritated at everyone and issuing a pointed reminder that there's a difference between what the devs want to do and what they ought to be doing before he does have to get mad at anyone.

Re:Well... (0)

SirLurksAlot (1169039) | about a year ago | (#43954471)

So, the great thing about an Open Source project is that developers have the ability to say "Hey, I think we can do this better." and then go off and actually fix it. They are not beholden to a corporate IT overlord that says "Thou shalt not commit code that is directly related with the task in front of you!" Telling a contributor that they shouldn't be submitting the code they worked on is a great way to kill creativity and drive people away from the project.

As far as Torvalds getting pissed off (as a feint or not) and talking smack about how when a developer's mother sat round the house she sat around the house he's brought this on himself as the gatekeeper for the project. This is simply the nature of an Open Source project. Furthermore there is nothing that says he can't simply reject a pull request and declare the RC closed for anything but direct bug fixes (which is what he is actually doing I suppose).

FWIW I don't disagree with you exactly, I just think it is important to keep in mind what kind of project and what kind of developers we're talking about.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954431)

"Seriously though, who the hell cares if the RC is bigger than the one before it, or whether the changes are scattered everywhere?"

the guy who has to read and decide on all that bullshit, obviously. did you read the article?

Scarface was a gerbil, not a hamster, Mr. Torvalds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954091)

fuck you very much

old school (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954095)

sticks and stones and furniture may break my bones, but dissing my dead hamster...that's fucking WAR LT!

Re:old school (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year ago | (#43954459)

Instead of "Developers developers developers" it's now "Chairs chairs chairs!"

Leave my late pet hamster out of it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954103)

He died before rc3, you insensitive clod.

Captcha: bitches
I hope they meant that as a verb or in the canine sense.
Seriously, that was the captcha. What's next, /., something NSFW?

Re:Leave my late pet hamster out of it! (1)

magic maverick (2615475) | about a year ago | (#43954227)

fuck - the rudest word in the universe.
you fuck.

Yell at the release manager not the developers (2)

davidwr (791652) | about a year ago | (#43954123)

It's the release manager's call to decide what to take. He could've said "no" but didn't. Heck, he could've yelled at the developers and said "HELL @#$^ING NO" in public, but he didn't.

It's also his job to take the heat for unpopular decisions and defend them if necessary.

Explain please (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954451)

Am I right in thinking that Linus isn't complaining about kernel improvements in general, but only about them being made so far into the RC series?

Right after a new development window has opened, I assume that he's totally happy with receiving a maelstrom of enhancements, cleanups, new features, and everything else that constitutes useful progress for Linux, isn't he?

I hope so, anyway. But of course he's dead right that this should not be happening during the RC countdown.

I'd be grateful for a confirmation, or otherwise.

I don't get what the developers are thinking (5, Interesting)

NotSoHeavyD3 (1400425) | about a year ago | (#43954215)

I mean speaking as a developer when I'm working and at this point I don't want to put in any new features. It's usually one of the managers or QA with a stupid "Hey lets put in a new feature right at the end" request.(And then it becomes "How willing am I to put up a fight over this?") I'm honestly surprised with no managers (and I mean business oriented managers) that this still happened.

Yawn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954229)

Linus believes that "people who get offended should be offended". That's a direct quote. As such he makes himself into a highly offensive person and he's been that way since the beginning. Of course that makes him a terrible person to have to deal with. This story is going to be full of people who are offended (thus gratifying Linus) and others who understand nothing of people and who therefore argue that giving offense is a great leadership technique. This has happened before and it will happen again, right here on Slashdot. The editors like it because it causes lots of page hits. Yawn.

Re:Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954539)

[...] and others who understand nothing of people and who therefore argue that NOT giving offense is a great leadership technique.

FTFY

You gotta be kidding me.... (0)

Bastardinho (1249572) | about a year ago | (#43954239)

Why the PEER-REVIEWED-FUCK does the world need to know about what a software developer thinks about the patches the team is sending him? What's next? An article everytime one of the kernel volunteers has a dump?

Not news (1)

mvar (1386987) | about a year ago | (#43954245)

To whoever reads occasionally the kernel list, there are no news here. This could fit in the Sun's or the "OK! Magazine" inner pages, but ./'s front page? Really?

Who determines what gets comitted? (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | about a year ago | (#43954295)

Does someone oversee what gets into a RC? Or do the kernel maintainers get to commit whatever they want?

I'm not a linux kernel developer, but in my company when we get into the RCs, we have pretty tight control in which bugs/enhancements get added.

What's Linus' specific role in this besides "yelling and screaming"?

Re:Who determines what gets comitted? (5, Informative)

Todd Knarr (15451) | about a year ago | (#43954571)

It's a three-layer process. Devs themselves are expected to adhere to the rules. Then the subsystem maintainers are supposed to filter changes to their subsystems. And finally Linus is the final arbiter on what gets merged into the release branch. Technically devs can check in anything they want, but it has to go through the subsystem maintainers and Linus to get into the release. Linus' role here is prodding the subsystem maintainers and the devs themselves to remember the rules and stop sending him so many things to sort through. It's easier on him if it's 90% rubber-stamp approvals and if a few stragglers get through it's not causing any widespread issues, as opposed to if it's 50% cruft and if he doesn't scrutinize everything carefully it's going to be a mess.

how the sausage is made (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954337)

Doesn't this happen all the time?

Its how the sausage is made.

So funny (1)

Azure Flash (2440904) | about a year ago | (#43954349)

Ah, The Onion, funny as always!

Enthusiasts are limited (-1, Troll)

evanism (600676) | about a year ago | (#43954383)

Ive been contrubiting code since 1998.

Linux is regressing.

It's broken. Get rid of Torvalds.

Re:Enthusiasts are limited (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year ago | (#43954449)

Fork to "Evanux" than. Love it or leave it.

Re:Enthusiasts are limited (correction) (2)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year ago | (#43954477)

correction: "then"

Re:Enthusiasts are limited (1)

Microlith (54737) | about a year ago | (#43954517)

A masterful troll.

Re:Enthusiasts are limited (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954527)

Stop biting contrubes then.

Must be tough being Linus.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954541)

Companies like Google and Amazon have made millions of dollars using Linux and Linus still has to live in an igloo eating dried penguin.

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