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NSA WhistleBlower Outs Himself

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the man-behind-the-curtain dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell. The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. 'I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong,' he said."

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Modern Jesus (5, Interesting)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43954775)

This man may well be our Jesus. The government is going to crucify him in their fury.

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Insightful)

Confusedent (1913038) | about a year ago | (#43954815)

It's pretty amazing, and here's hoping the sacrifice isn't completely wasted. The fact that this stuff hasn't led to protesting in the streets really reflects just how complacent the US population is. Or how afraid of the government we really are, knowing just how well equipped and militarized the government has become thanks to 60+ years of growth in the military-industrial complex. I for one am ashamed I voted for Obama in 2008, and I hope there's a clean sweep of every Congressperson who didn't specifically oppose this type of stuff during the next elections. If that doesn't happen, I think the government will just treat it as a mandate to continue expanding their global power ever faster. Something needs to happen while people's attention is still focused on it.

It'd be nice if the public vitriol towards the current administration also helped Manning avoid further abuse, but I'm not holding my breath.

Re:Modern Jesus (3, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about a year ago | (#43954863)

It'd be nice if the public vitriol towards the current administration also helped Manning avoid further abuse, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yeah, my belief is that most of that vitriol is just "useful idiots" being steered by people with interests that favor a panopticon state at least as much as the current administration does. I expect to see "bi-partisan support" for excoriating Snowden and all the others.

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955051)

"useful idiots", I've heard that term thrown around a lot these days, is it how Rush Limbaugh refers to his listeners these days, perhaps his strawmen, both?

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955099)

Don't know much political history, eh?

Re:Modern Jesus (4, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43954913)

I'm not sure you should be ashamed for having voted for Obama in 2008. Try to remember the (realistic) alternatives we faced.

Re:Modern Jesus (0, Flamebait)

JWSmythe (446288) | about a year ago | (#43954933)

Most of this stuff dates back to the Bush Jr. administration... But hey, go ahead and blame the black guy.

Re:Modern Jesus (1, Insightful)

Guinness Beaumont (2901413) | about a year ago | (#43954995)

Can't argue with fanboys. :)

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Informative)

beamdriver (554241) | about a year ago | (#43955009)

Actually, most of this stuff, the basis for it anyway, goes back to Eisenhower.

You can blame Bush for the PATRIOT act, but that was just another step down the road we've been on for a long long time.

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about a year ago | (#43955013)

Can't we blame them both?

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955049)

Actually, as far back as Regan. Many hate Carter, but he actually had some backbone; a good man.

CAPTCHA = 'purity'

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Informative)

tukang (1209392) | about a year ago | (#43955053)

Guess you didn't RTFA. He was going to blow the whistle but held off when Obama got elected because he hoped things would change, instead, they only got worse. Please understand that the "left vs right" thing is just a distraction. Both parties are happily taking our liberties away.

Re:Modern Jesus (4, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955057)

Yeah, the black guy who not only didn't do anything to stop it, but helped make it worse.

You Obama apologists disgust me. Obama's had 4.5 years now to fix Bush's problems, and he not only hasn't fixed them, he's made them all worse.

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955077)

Nope, FISA dates to 1978.

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Insightful)

Confusedent (1913038) | about a year ago | (#43955011)

Actually, failure to vote for third parties is the primary reason they're able to get away with stuff like this. The whole "wasted vote" thing is probably the most damaging logical fallacy being used in politics right now. Don't get me wrong, it's unlikely a third party will ever win a presidential election, but that's not the point. When politicians are losing enough votes to them that they risk losing to their opponents, they're forced to change their platforms. You can see this happening already with the Republican's reconsideration of immigration reform. They know the tide is against them and they'll have to make policy changes they haven't wanted to in the past. Aside from that, only about half of the population actually votes. There are literally twice as many people who aren't even going to the polls than there are supporting Democrats or Republicans for any reason. If the left was losing 10% of their voting base to the Greens and the right was losing 10% of theirs to the Libertarians (or whatever other party you may like), you can bet they'd be picking up pieces of those platforms in order to continue out-competing third parties.

tl;dr: Voting for the proverbial "lesser of two evils" is the mandate we give them to get away with all this crap. Neither side is less evil than the other anymore.

Re:Modern Jesus (3, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43955037)

Sometimes people do vote for third parties, but I haven't seen major changes caused by that, either. Did Ross Perot have any lasting effects?

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955047)

I don't know about the OP specifically, but some people did have some alternatives, early in the primaries process, IIRC. There were one or two other Democrat challengers to Obama in the primaries, I think one was Darcy Richardson. People could have voted for him, but they didn't.

Now this doesn't apply to everyone; by the time the primaries got around to the state I was living in at the time, I guess the challengers had all dropped out, because there wasn't even a primary election for the Democrats in that state.

Also, on the Republican side, there were other challengers to Romney (though it's debateable whether any were any good, but there was Ron Paul, who while he has problems, would at least have shut down this surveillance nonsense, plus a lot of other stuff, if he had been elected).

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

spagthorpe (111133) | about a year ago | (#43954945)

Exactly. I don't see anyone in the govt losing sleep over these revelations coming out. There is no real outrage in this country over anything. A few will be highly vocal about it, and the rest just go about their daily lives, staring at their cellphones and watching reality TV. Every individual in their country got fleeced by big banking, but there were no pitchforks over that, and there won't be for this. Only reason we really know anything about it is that we're all probably on a lot of tech sites. I'd bet money I could ask around in the coffee shop I'm in, and most would have never even heard about it.

*holds up a mirror* (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954967)

Why are you not out there protesting? Why are you waiting for others to do it? Right there in the article is your call to arms: " I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is about being the first to act."

Grab your supplies, head out, start protesting. Don't wait for others to do it first. If our forefather's had, we'd not be here now.

Re:*holds up a mirror* (2, Interesting)

Confusedent (1913038) | about a year ago | (#43955091)

I lack confidence in my ability to start an actual protest by just going out and sticking up signs on a street corner. Also, I'm more of the mind to develop technology and acquire wealth and resources so that I can one day actually have influence in the world, which does honestly seem more effectual than protesting. I made the comment because, as someone else noted about this stuff already, there are violent protests going on in Turkey (and other parts of the world) right now over far less egregious abuses of power than what our government is doing.

Re:Modern Jesus (2, Interesting)

Ksevio (865461) | about a year ago | (#43954971)

There's no protesting or even as much outrage as there should be because it's not a very interesting leak. There's not even a group being victimized (like hispanics or conservative 501c4s), it's something that affects everyone equally.

It's not like people are being inconvenienced like by the TSA, basically it's an out-of-sight, out-of-mind situation. Furthermore, most people probably expect the government has been doing this all along. If you watch CSI/NCIS they use information like this all the time without warrants so people believe that as much as they believe the government can scan photos and match/identify faces.

We're not going to see any change in congress - back in the Bush administration when the secret NSA rooms were discovered in telecom buildings, the same issue came up and latest went away. Due to our poor election laws, the only alternative to a centrist Democrat like Obama is a right-wing nut job who would take the same actions (probably go further).

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955067)

Obama's no centrist, he's thoroughly right-wing. Unfortunately, the Republicans are extreme right-wing, so your choices are 1) right-wing, and 2) even more right-wing.

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

foniksonik (573572) | about a year ago | (#43955001)

The thing about wielding power is "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't."

I voted for Obama because he is the kind of person who takes action. I voted for GWB for the same reason. I voted for Clinton for the same reason. Their respective opponents were nearly all people who would rather study the problem or do what their party tells them to do.

Presidents and executives are supposed to DO something, not preside over the nation like an administrator. That's what Congress or a Board of Directors is for.

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a year ago | (#43955005)

Truth is, his sacrifice will be wasted and what he did will be forgotten -- in two weeks. You have to realize by now, if it's not directly punching an American in the face; the majority just don't care. To them, it's an interesting topic to discuss during a Lunch break; in between "How much did your phone cost" and "Are you watching the game this weekend". Sadly.

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955085)

It may lead to protesting in the streets. From the Snowden interview:

"It is not like Occupy Wall Street but there is a grassroots movement to take to the streets on July 4 in defence of the Fourth Amendment called Restore The Fourth Amendment and it grew out of Reddit. The response over the internet has been huge and supportive."

Re:not holding my breath (1)

Titus Groan (2834723) | about a year ago | (#43955089)

holding your breath is not effective against waterboarding.

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955113)

I for one am ashamed I voted for Obama in 2008

Why should you be? Obama's a lying piece of shit. [cnet.com] The problem isn't that we hired him. The problem is there's no way to fire him.

If I got a job, promising to maintain network security and firewalls, I'm expected to do that. If once I'm hired and collecting salary, I decide I'd rather install trojans and backdoors into the company network, I would be fired immediately upon discovery. I'd probably also be prosecuted for my efforts.

We should be able to fire him, on the spot. Have him escorted out of the building by those men with guns and mail him his shit.

There are no consequences for the unconstitutional actions of the leadership class. They all know it. They're never going to stop.

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

oldgraybeard (2939809) | about a year ago | (#43954829)

Just saw on the news, They reported he is currently in Hong Kong. If hes smart he will not come home.

Re:Modern Jesus (4, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43954859)

He doesn't seem to be planning to: "I do not expect to see home again".

One plus of outing himself in Hong Kong is that if he suddenly gets disappeared or extradited, it makes China look like U.S. puppets, which they bristle at. So they may opt to protect him, whether directly or by running U.S. extradition requests through endless bureaucracy. We'll see, I suppose.

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

pepty (1976012) | about a year ago | (#43955055)

He doesn't seem to be planning to: "I do not expect to see home again".

One plus of outing himself in Hong Kong is that if he suddenly gets disappeared or extradited, it makes China look like U.S. puppets, which they bristle at.

The pessimist in me says that China might disappear him, blame it on the US, and then "question him". One thing I don't think they'll let him do is meet with whoever he wants, travel wherever he wants, etc. He's useful for embarrassing the US for the moment, but they'll either deport him or put him under something like house arrest pretty soon.

Re:Modern Jesus (4, Informative)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43954905)

This man may well be our Jesus. The government is going to crucify him in their fury.

Except, of course, he's unlikely to come back from the dead, or for his death to provide a means of eternal life.

But if you mean he's inspirational, no argument.

Re:Modern Jesus (5, Funny)

pepty (1976012) | about a year ago | (#43954979)

This man may well be our Jesus. The government is going to crucify him in their fury.

Except, of course, he's unlikely to come back from the dead, or for his death to provide a means of eternal life.

So exactly like Jesus then.

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43955021)

I think we can agree that you and I have now taken this thread exactly as far as it can go.

Re:Modern Jesus (2)

craigminah (1885846) | about a year ago | (#43954927)

I bet the NSA is scrambling the drones...gonna make it "look like an accident."

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955075)

Good luck with that; he's apparently in Hong Kong, which is part of China. China would not take well to drone bombings in its territory.

Re:Modern Jesus (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43954983)

But will he also manage the resurrection part?

Re:Modern Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955017)

He'll be forgotten like every other whistleblower. For him to be a christ-figure, you'll need people spreading his gospel relentlessly.

Making them put their money where their mouth is (5, Insightful)

spiritplumber (1944222) | about a year ago | (#43954779)

I guess this will put the whole "If you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to hide" thing to rest, if there's any sense in the world. Mr. Snowden, thank you.

Re:Making them put their money where their mouth i (5, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43954977)

Given that the NSA has a lot to hide, they must have done a lot wrong. ;-)

Definitions (5, Interesting)

InfinityWpi (175421) | about a year ago | (#43954789)

Wrong? No.

Illegal, Yes.

Be careful, Mr. Snowden, they're going to be after you...

Re:Definitions (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954885)

What if those laws are illegal and immoral? Remember, it was "legal" for the nazis to sieze the assets of the Jews in France, et al.

Re:Definitions (4, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43954919)

Governments are generally unwilling to reflect upon the evil of their own laws.

Re:Definitions (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about a year ago | (#43954921)

That only makes a difference if said government is no longer in power

Contribute to defense (1)

careysb (566113) | about a year ago | (#43955059)

Where can I contribute to his defense fund? (That is if the government doesn't block it.)

Re:Contribute to defense (2)

careysb (566113) | about a year ago | (#43955101)

(Shit, the govt probably just recorded that)

Rendition (1)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about a year ago | (#43954799)

The black helicopters will be heading to Hong Kong...

Re:Rendition (1)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43954869)

I don't doubt that China's security agencies collaborate behind-the-scenes with U.S. security agencies when convenient, but now that it's so open, I'm not sure China will want to look like they're openly collaborating with the NSA.

Re:Rendition (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43954947)

No. They will not send black helicopters because everyone would expect them, and therefore would be prepared. But nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.

get ready to go to a FPMIA prison (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about a year ago | (#43954803)

get ready to go to a FPMIA prison

There are worse places than a FPMIA prison (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954865)

Much worse...

Why do you joke about prison rape? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954909)

Prison rape is not funny.

This isn't about political correctness or about getting "offended", by the way. I don't care if you want to joke about racial or gender stereotypes, for example. Those kinds of jokes can often be quite funny, without a doubt.

But where is the humor in a man, potentially one who hasn't even done anything seriously wrong, repeatedly getting his rectum painfully torn apart by one or more thick, erect penises while in prison?

Where is the humor in that man possibly getting AIDS, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, or any number of STIs?

Where is the humor in the mental anguish that such a man will very well endure, not only during the attacks, but for the rest of his life?

Where is the humor in all of this physical and psychological harm?

There is no humor in it at all. That is why prison rape is something that should not be joked about. It's just not funny.

Re:Why do you joke about prison rape? (3, Funny)

Dins (2538550) | about a year ago | (#43954957)

Lighten up, Francis...

Re: Why do you joke about prison rape? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954969)

DM:HS

Re:Why do you joke about prison rape? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955029)

Comedy is bad things happening to other people.

Re:Why do you joke about prison rape? (4, Insightful)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955093)

It's called "black humor". It's funny, but in a horrible way, and reminds us what horrible and inhumane places US prisons are.

Good call. (1)

goodmanj (234846) | about a year ago | (#43954821)

Probably a smart choice, Ed. It's a pretty safe bet the gov't is going to figure out who you are eventually, so you might as well take a stand on principle. But I hope you realize that while you may or may not have done nothing wrong, you *definitely* did something illegal. Both the best and worst-case scenario put you in jail for a good long time.

Re:Good call. (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a year ago | (#43954833)

But, at least in this scenario, the government has to make sure he stays alive.

Re:Good call. (1)

Dins (2538550) | about a year ago | (#43954925)

One would think...

But in reality, what would happen now if he mysteriously ended up dead of a 'heart attack'? There would be widespread speculation and even outcry in many circles (/. among them), but at the end of the day it would be business as usual. The US public still lacks the will to do anything to change the situation.

Re:Good call. (1)

durrr (1316311) | about a year ago | (#43955079)

If if he did some "self mutilation" and then "shot himself" twice with two different firearms the US public would be too busy watching reality TV to care.

Re:Good call. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955109)

That's how Milosevic "died." A little more deserving, but still.

Re:Good call. (3, Insightful)

spacefight (577141) | about a year ago | (#43954837)

Both the best and worst-case scenario put you in jail for a good long time.

Seriously? And those who put in place those systems shall not be prosecuted?

Re:Good call. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954907)

Inquiries will be made. Studies shall be had. Several dozen people will be spending the next ten years pretending they have weekly meetings on the matter.
In the end, blame will be equally shifted and dissipated down to vagueness, "the times" used to explain the "percieved necessity" of the actions, and any number of "well since everyone's to blame here no one's to blame, except this horrible evil rapist hacker that outed us" smudging tactics will result in at best a few interns getting fired.

And a nastier, more horrific system will already be in the works.

Re:Good call. (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a year ago | (#43954867)

Probably a smart choice, Ed. It's a pretty safe bet the gov't is going to figure out who you are eventually, so you might as well take a stand on principle. But I hope you realize that while you may or may not have done nothing wrong, you *definitely* did something illegal. Both the best and worst-case scenario put you in jail for a good long time.

Of course, then the government would have to fess up to the documents being something other than fabrications.

Can't get rid of him silently now though. Doubt he is coming out to USA in a while though.

Pulling an Assange? (5, Interesting)

Bananatree3 (872975) | about a year ago | (#43954825)

Sooner or later, the NSA would have found this guy. I wonder if outing himself first gives him "media immunity." It's harder to take someone out quietly, if they're in the limelight.

Re:Pulling an Assange? (4, Insightful)

xs650 (741277) | about a year ago | (#43954929)

Right, instead of just disappearing after being tortured, now he will just die in some random traffic accident. Not a pleasant ending, but not the worst either.

Re:Pulling an Assange? (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about a year ago | (#43954941)

I thought that as well. However as far as the Feds are concerned he is an admitted criminal, so they don't really have to answer to the media when he disappears.

This guy needs a legal defense fund (4, Informative)

scottbomb (1290580) | about a year ago | (#43954841)

This dude has balls of steel and I think deserves our help. If a fund is established, I'll gladly chip in a few bucks.

Re:This guy needs a legal defense fund (1)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about a year ago | (#43954949)

What good is a defense fund to an admitted criminal? If they catch him, he will go to federal prison.

Re:This guy needs a legal defense fund (3, Insightful)

ThePeices (635180) | about a year ago | (#43954961)

This dude has balls of steel and I think deserves our help. If a fund is established, I'll gladly chip in a few bucks.

Do you really want to be seen as aiding and abetting the enemy?

Look what happened to Bradley Manning.

Re:This guy needs a legal defense fund (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955071)

Cruel cowardice it is

Captcha: indicate

Hello and goodbye (1, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | about a year ago | (#43954843)

Taking bets now on when he has an "accident" or gets to say hello to Bradley Manning.

Re:Hello and goodbye (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43955115)

Bradley Manning screwed up by coming out when he was in the US. This guy is smarter: he waited until he was in Hong Kong before admitting responsibility. He could still have an "accident" there, but the Chinese government would not take kindly to US agents conducting such operations within their borders.

It was only a matter of time (1)

Zeroblitzt (871307) | about a year ago | (#43954847)

I mean, the NSA is monitoring all communications, right? So it was only a matter of time before they found him out anyway. At least this way, there is some publicity, and people know "his side" of the story before he is disappeared to some mysterious American prison. It's a shame that we are so willing to admit that is his fate, but I really so no other outcome.

Re:It was only a matter of time (1)

Tim12s (209786) | about a year ago | (#43954935)

I'm sure china is monitoring as much as they can and more...

But why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954853)

I don't get this. Why is he revealing his identity other than the will of becoming a celeb?

The documents have already leaked, there is little doubt about there authenticity. What exactly does it help if the world does know his name?

He will likely pay dearly for this and he acknowledges that. I don't see any good reason for accepting this risk other than fame-seeking.

Re:But why? (5, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | about a year ago | (#43954903)

What exactly does it help if the world does know his name?

I guess the NSA already knew his name, and he figured that he'd be safer if the public knows it, too. If a person with a name nobody has ever heard of disappears somewhere in Hong Kong, nobody will care too much. If the person who is known to have leaked the NSA documents disappears, it might make the media notice.

Re:But why? (2)

tukang (1209392) | about a year ago | (#43954963)

He wanted to go on the record to verify the authenticity of the leaked documents, that they were not altered in any way, and to confirm that what the documents state is actually happening. It was just a matter of time before the gov't figured out his identity, so at least now he has a chance to tell his side of the story in face of all the denials coming out of Washington.

democratic consequences for everyone (1)

bauerbob (1049344) | about a year ago | (#43954855)

So what now? And please don't tell me to just vote for the "right" party. That doesn't work. Most people will have forgotten Mr. Snowden when it comes to the next votes. Or their priorities have changed by then (jobs, terrorism, whatever might give an appropriate fear factor). How can I make my government stop bringing 1984 to reality?

Re:democratic consequences for everyone (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954895)

Well, lets all remember what the second amandment actually is for. Maybe its about time?

Re:democratic consequences for everyone (2)

Trepidity (597) | about a year ago | (#43954917)

In specific cases, a primary challenger might help. But it really depends on whether enough people care, and if a primary challenger who's clearly better appears.

The two parties' ranking members on the Senate Intelligence Committee, both strongly in favor of the program, are:

  • Dianne Feinstein: Democrat, California, up for reelection in 2018 (she would be 85, so may not run)
  • Saxby Chambliss: Republican, Georgia, up for reelection in 2014

Actually Chambliss's reelection is coming up soon enough that Georgia Republicans might want to start looking at primary challengers.

Re:democratic consequences for everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954923)

Run for office

Re:democratic consequences for everyone (1)

stenvar (2789879) | about a year ago | (#43955081)

So what now? And please don't tell me to just vote for the "right" party. That doesn't work. Most people will have forgotten Mr. Snowden when it comes to the next votes.

That depends on how big this blows up and how the president and representatives react.

How can I make my government stop bringing 1984 to reality?

Learn more about it, and talk to your friends and family about it. And don't view it or present it as partisan issues; this is a problem with both parties.

And remember that the most important decisions are made during primaries, not during actual elections.

Nothing... or Everything? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954861)

Because you can bet he's getting a case file the size of Texas built against him at this very moment. Doesn't matter what about, they'll have so much shit thrown at him it'll be impossible for some of it not to stick. Starting with domestic disturbance. Blowing whistles is a domestic disturbance.

They're combing through and "adjusting" his financial records, adding his name to suspect lists, and having folks with masks that kind of look like him in various ethnicities going around raping various little dogs and children.

They will drag the mud they dragged his reputation through in even muddier slimes just to make sure the shit they did to him sounds like it was evil all on its own.
Then we'll find him having committed suicide "after having been caught with all the horrible things he's done throughout his life", rifle in hand and mouth, hole going side to side at the temples.

Barring any tropical storm, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954871)

I've heard Cuba is lovely this time of year.

However, I fear he won't be able to do much sightseeing. I wonder how many times they'll invoke that soft and warm blanket they call "national security" when they grab him.

It's better (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954873)

to take the liberties of 300 million Americans than to let 1 terrorist go free. It's even better to deal with the terrorism problem by taking the liberties of 300 million Americans instead of re-evaluating our support of Israel.

technical side (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954879)

>A master on computers, he seemed happiest when talking about the technical side of surveillance, at a level of detail comprehensible probably only to fellow communication specialists.

Wonder if what he told about that is available somewhere..

Thanks, Mr. Snowden (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954893)

Dude thanks, what you've done requires real courage and people like you change the world for the better. You will probably be dragged through the mud. That inteligence aparatus which you helped build and outed is working right now very hard to get dirt on you, and will probably succeed. If there is no dirt to be gotten it will be manufactured.

I think coming out into the public was the smartest thing you could of done, i doubt you will be rendered because the damage is already done. Discrediting you is about the most they can do in damage control ATM.

They've learned (i hope) from the Manning case that locking you up into the loney bin and psychologically torturing you just make it worst. You've just surendered your remaining expectation of privacy to save ours, and for that i thank you sir.

God Bless Him (2)

amightywind (691887) | about a year ago | (#43954911)

God Bless Him. He should be given a full pardon. The real terrorists are Obama's leftists in the bureaucracies of the NSA, DOD, IRS, EPA, and HHS. Management in all of these agencies should be purged many layers deep.

Human chain (5, Funny)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a year ago | (#43954939)

I have a fantasy in which 1 million well-armed patriots surround this guy and tell the NSA / CIA / FBI / federal marshals that they're on the wrong side of the Constitution and can't have him.

It's time we start supporting truth (1)

nauseous (2239684) | about a year ago | (#43954953)

Truth justice is the American way. It's time we start supporting the people that are helping us with the corruption of this great country. We must all bound together as one to prevent the down fall of these type of people in the world.

wow (2)

Adam Back (2946697) | about a year ago | (#43954975)

Wow, holy moly! He articulated in his video interview better than the newspaper articles why this NSA stasi 2.0 is such a bad idea, they might have good intentions (to catch bad guys) but what they're creating is a MONSTROSITY. They are recording everything for later analysis, from everyone US and non-US. And from what I could tell from reading the articles and EFF untangling obtuse NSA terminology they dont call it "collected" until they come to sift through it later. So that maybe part of the PR spin of how they claim to not collect data. There is a lot of lying and careful PR spun wording about which law, terminology, whether the access is "direct" vs via a relay server, or an API, or done by a defense contractor and not NSA direct etc. You cant trust a word the NSA Clapper guy is saying. Trust Binney, this new leaker and hopefully the google, facebook etc who claim ignorance are not spinning and lying also and if so that they clean house - find the trojan hardware, remove it and fire those who installed it, and have a proper legal review of future requests. I'm thinking the leaker Edward Snowden coming forward makes it a lot harder for NSA Clapper to lie his way out of. Binney also (another recent leaker) deciphered and laid out whats really happening. Terrorism is bad, however they have to note some of it is blowback for interventionist foreign policy by US, UK and others in the middle east. As in physics actions have opposing reactions. Not all actions were particularly just in the first place. And well the world is still pretty safe, despite all that, still more Americans apparently die annually from furniture falling on them. Actions of a government should be proportional to the risk, and balances based on informed consent of the population. What we have here is repeated entrenched lying to US congress, oversight committees, secret (and blatantly incorrect and stretching) interpretations of law. Very very bad. This guy Edward Snowden is a US patriot and an international hero and will go down in history as such.

Sad (2)

greenmanfalling (1866244) | about a year ago | (#43954989)

Hopefully we won't be asking ourselves "Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?" anytime soon. Good luck to him.

Anything happens to him (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43954993)

you know who did it... U$A...

Why Hong Kong, China? (1)

RedHackTea (2779623) | about a year ago | (#43955015)

He says, "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent." Maybe I'm just eating the bullshit media too much... but China doesn't seem like the best place for free speech and overall freedom really. He's only left his hotel room 3 times... well, good, because some "hotel worker" may try to read your harddrive or put a bug on it (source being /. articles). I hope he has that bad boy encrypted and is using the TOR network.

Hero Tag!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955019)

This deserves a Hero Tag!

He's putting himself and his family in harm's way (yes, everyone has parents).

I'll be watch this development closely...

CAPTCHA = 'protean'

Good luck (1)

lesincompetent (2836253) | about a year ago | (#43955039)

Good luck indeed fella. You're gonna need it. And a shitton of lawyers too. Yes maybe more lawyers than luck. Can't have enough of them.
And if you need a roof to hide under you can count on me. You're a shining example of integrity.

Pointing the obvious, but... (4, Insightful)

X.25 (255792) | about a year ago | (#43955073)

...it has to be stated:

This man is a hero.

I Call Bullshit (1)

anthony_greer (2623521) | about a year ago | (#43955107)

Come on, he is just gonna out himself and become target number 1 for the US government? I seriously doubt it...this is a plant.

I would assume that the real source has much more than just that one PPT deck...come on, if you have that you must have more...

"I know I have done nothing wrong" (0)

Arancaytar (966377) | about a year ago | (#43955111)

I didn't know the US legal system worked that way. Does that mean Bradley Manning could have avoided all that hassle by simply finding himself not guilty on all charges?

niGga (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43955117)

progrees. Any [goat.cx]
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