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The Rails Girls Are Coming to a City Near You (Video)

Roblimo posted about a year ago | from the programming-not-trains dept.

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So far, the Rails Girls have groups in cities ranging from Warsaw to Wellington, with U.S. gatherings in Washington D.C., Charlotte NC, San Francisco CA, and... let's make it easy: Here's a map. OMG! They're everywhere! Actually, mostly Europe, being as they started in Finland, same as the Leningrad Cowboys and a popular computer operating system. But they're spreading like mad. Would you believe the reason one of the two founders originally got interested in Ruby on Rails was because she wanted to make a fan page for American politician Al Gore? Our interviewee, Magda (from Rails Girls Warsaw), swears this is true. She also tells us about their upcoming Washington D.C. workshop on June 13th, 2013, in conjunction with the June 14-15 RubyNation event. Sounds like fun, doesn't it. Maybe you need more of this kind of fun where you live, eh? If there isn't a Rails Girls group near you, maybe you should start one and help more women and girls get into programming. This is the Rails Girls' goal. Any particular ages? Not really. And their workshops are all free of charge: "You just need to be excited!"

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Naked? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965879)

I'll go if they are naked.

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965901)

Sure about that? Hope you're a fan of neckbeards...

Re:Naked? (1, Funny)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#43965923)

There really isn't any other reason to get excited about RoR.

I thought that fad was dead?

Re:Naked? (2, Informative)

Nadaka (224565) | about a year ago | (#43965977)

Its great getting women into programming... but seriously, ruby on rails is shit.

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966095)

I've had more people getting me out of programming than into programming. It was C.

Re:Naked? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966285)

Looking at the linked video, I saw only 2 women, led by a photogenic metrosexual pretty-boy, in a room mostly full of men. Additionally, one of the women was in the kitchen preparing for her male co-workers the stew that they deserve at the end of a hard day's work earning money so their own wives can afford miniature toy dogs and designer handbags.

And the fact that Ruby is their thing is stereotypically self-effacing, as it shows that women are attracted to shiny things rather than cool things.

-- Ethanol-fueled

Re:Naked? (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43966785)

it shows that women are attracted to shiny things rather than cool things

now now don't be so sexist... women loved brushed stainless steel fridges, which are cool in more ways than one :)

Re:Naked? (0)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43966481)

RoR is indeed shit, but SAAS was ok.

I got around that problem by using SAAS in Django. The best of both worlds.

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967003)

What exactly is better about Django? Django's template library and ORM are objectively terrible and Django is even slower than Rails. It's unfortunate because Jinja 2 and SqlAlchemy are significantly better than anything available in Ruby.

Re:Naked? (1)

styrotech (136124) | about a year ago | (#43967167)

What exactly is better about Django? Django's template library and ORM are objectively terrible and Django is even slower than Rails. It's unfortunate because Jinja 2 and SqlAlchemy are significantly better than anything available in Ruby.

Why is it unfortunate? Are you stuck with Django?

There are plenty of other frameworks that let you use jinja2 and SQLA together if that's what you want.

Re:Naked? (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43967333)

So what is the web framework du jour? I'm not going to try them all.

Re:Naked? (1)

styrotech (136124) | about a year ago | (#43967817)

So what is the web framework du jour? I'm not going to try them all.

If popularity is very important to you then you'll probably want to stick with Django or Rails.

Personally I'm partial to Pyramid (the merger of Pylons and BFG). It seems more 'engineered' than the very opinionated frameworks like Rails and Django or the steady stream of new 'simple' frameworks. It is completely agnostic when it comes to templating libraries or data persistence layers.

That does mean that you need to make more choices and architectural decisions yourself, and there is a longer learning curve figuring out the best options etc. But that pays off later when your apps get more complex and you won't have to fight the against the framework.

I suggest it as it's likely that someone who prefers SQLAlchemy over the simpler ORMs in Rails or Django though is likely to be someone who appreciates more powerful non opinionated frameworks.

Re:Naked? (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43967321)

Django is better because I like it more than RoR. Probably because Python is pretty good and I use it enough to be fluent. I don't care about speed, it's fast enough for my purposes. I've written high performance web stuff and it didn't involve 'frameworks' or SQL databases.

But Django's support for style inheritance is notable by its complete absence. Hence my comment.

 

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967437)

I just think it's funny that you call Rails shit when you prefer a big bloated Python framework that is worse in almost every conceivable way.

Re:Naked? (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43967859)

That was comment inheritance. The parent comment assign RoR - shit. My comment inherited that assignment and added the Django+Style Inhertance - I like property.

Your comment overrode that assignment, but if you were using python you could assign a tuple django - {i like, bloated}

Re:Naked? (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43966749)

i've never used it, but the name sounds shit enough

but then again a lot of things that are even remotely connected with linux have some weird names

Re:Naked? (4, Funny)

hawguy (1600213) | about a year ago | (#43966097)

Remember boys, no Dongles allowed at Rails Girls, and certainly no forking. Stick with Django if you're interested in forking dongles.

Re:Naked? (0)

Velex (120469) | about a year ago | (#43967289)

Came here for this comment. Very satisfied. Thank you.

Not going to leave satisfied quite yet until I choose to open my yap.

So, what has the Ada Initiative accomplished with their sexism and presumption that all men are rapists?

1. We now have a new joke every time there's an article about women in IT.
2. ???

How many more girls are going to pick up, well, in this case, Ruby on Rails and go "hey, that's neat!" and learn programming because the Ada Initiative handed out creeper cards, censored panels, and cost individuals their jobs?

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The really sad part to all this the more I think about it is how it even had my misogyny going for a while. I was raised as a male during the 90s. Reverse discrimination across the board. I know what it's like to be unfairly treated in very overt ways simply because of a body part I never even wanted. Hell, that body part was even mutilated at birth and never properly healed, leaving me with the exquisite experience of knowing the kind of genital pain that's only supposed to be associated with FGM.

The trouble is that one of these days I'm going to be a woman looking for a job (mostly because undergoing gender transition in a nearly all conservative womyn-born-womyn environment just isn't going to work).

Is this what I get to thank the Ada Initiative for? Thanks, Ada Initiative. I'm really looking forward to being perceived as somebody who's going to be a total bitch who's going to sue for sexual harassment at the first dongle joke. Thanks, Ada Initiative. Sure, the Ada Initiative may not consider me a woman because I'm not a "womyn-born-womyn," but people who gender me female perceive me no differently than any other woman. Mostly because unlike in Crocodile Dundee, folks don't actually go checking genitals in real life.

Thanks, Ada Initiative. You sure did a favor for women.

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967725)

Maybe after you become a woman you'll realise why we need organisations like the Ada Initiative.

Do you have any sources for the transphobia you're citing?

Re:Naked? (2)

cod3r_ (2031620) | about a year ago | (#43966239)

something tells me is just going to be a bunch of dudes... Ironic that the rails girls video included a bunch of dudes.. My guess is they can't actually get any participation from women because women are not into ruby on rails.

Re:Naked? (0)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966465)

Maybe (except for these girls) the female programmers know better than to waste their time with RoR, and instead concentrate on serious languages and platforms like C, C++, Java, Javascript, and even Python and PHP.

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966575)

Python and PHP are the same shit as Ruby, different syntax.

Real Wymyn write Apache modules in C.

Re:Naked? (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966641)

Python and PHP are the same shit as Ruby, different syntax.

We're actually not talking about Ruby proper here, but Ruby on Rails.

Anyway, Python and PHP both have far more support and popularity than Ruby. Getting a web host account that has PHP support is trivial (in fact, it'd be a real feat to get an account that doesn't support PHP these days), and Python is almost as trivial. Ruby, however, isn't that common.

Re:Naked? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966917)

Most of the PHP MVC frameworks are direct rip-offs of Rails, but whatever ... enjoy your shared hosting accounts.

Re:Naked? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966935)

What's wrong with a shared hosting account for a low-traffic site?

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967297)

Low traffic sites don't need to be built with frameworks.

Re:Naked? (1)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#43967443)

Yet RoR is a notoriously poor choice for high-traffic sites.

I think Grishnakh is on to something here...

Re:Naked? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967843)

Virtual servers are dirt cheap now, and what kind of slashdotter doesn't want root?

Re:Naked? (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43966799)

real women cook steak for men who program by cutting down trees, chewing them up into pulp to make their own paper and punching holes for other real women to validate and run as programs

Re:Naked? (0)

crutchy (1949900) | about a year ago | (#43966807)

Python

any language where indentation is part of the syntax is gay

Re:Naked? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966879)

Hey, I didn't say it was a big favorite of mine, just that it's widely used and accepted.

Re:Naked? (4, Insightful)

AtomicDevice (926814) | about a year ago | (#43966293)

I thought:
"I bet the first comment on this article is going to be obnoxious and misogynist"

I was right!

Re:Naked? (3, Interesting)

narcc (412956) | about a year ago | (#43967465)

Misogyny is all the rage in tech, gaming, and rationalist communities. I have no idea why, but I wish they'd tone it down.

"Would you believe the reason..." (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965895)

"Would you believe the reason one of the two founders originally got interested in Ruby on Rails was because she wanted to make a fan page for American politician Al Gore?"

That instantly loses them any and all credibility. Rails is shit anyways.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965931)

Flame war incoming.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966217)

Rails is shit anyways.

grammar sucks too

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967213)

No, that's grammatically correct. Ruby on Rails is what Rails is an abbreviation of, and as such "is" is the correct verb for the sentence.

Pro tip: Just because it ends in s, does not mean that it's plural.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (1)

sexconker (1179573) | about a year ago | (#43967821)

Rails is shit anyways.

grammar sucks too

Despite what DC Comics might think, you do not pluralize a proper noun that is homonymous with a non-proper noun by changing its form in the same manner as the non-proper form of the noun.

"Reign of the Supermen!" should have been "Reign of the Supermans".
"Rails is shit" is both correct and true.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (3, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43966317)

What lost me was when I clicked on the link and the page was covered in pencil doodles of kitties and ponies and crap. If you are trying to make it with a fricking band at least TRY to look somewhat professional, that thing looks like it was made by a 16 year old Twitard to declare whether they are with team shirtless or team shovelface...ugh.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (1)

bdwebb (985489) | about a year ago | (#43966839)

HEY! You need to calm down with that! They are professional in an indie-hip-I'm_way_cooler_than_you-progressive-warmfuzzy way that you just wouldn't understand!

Seriously, though...I'm completely with you. As a nerd I can appreciate a progressive work environment that is more comfortable and less corporate chic/stuffy but we are going way too far these days. Kittens and ponies...you might as well tell girls that are seriously interested in web development "Get into rails development so you can make shitty pages like we all used to when we were 15!" If you're supposed to appeal to women and show them that they can do it too, at least try to make it somewhat professional so it will appeal to adults instead of children. It doesn't need to be corporate, just not ponies and kittens...holy hell.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | about a year ago | (#43967767)

You are trying to sell your band to the world and get taken seriously as female musicians...so you make your site look like a 15 year old twitard chick's fanfic page? Really?

I've played with many a female musician (no pun intended) and they would frankly be insulted by this shit, their site just screams "I'm a girly girl with titties but no brains, giggle giggle" that it really does a disservice to female musicians because all it does is reinforce that stereotype.

Re:"Would you believe the reason..." (1)

styrotech (136124) | about a year ago | (#43967069)

What lost me was when I clicked on the link and the page was covered in pencil doodles of kitties and ponies and crap.

Ponies? Now I'm confused - is this about Rails or Django?

Humane (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965941)

The guy who invented Ruby wanted the language to be "humane". Apparently, he succeeded.

Advert (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965949)

Totally not a paid advertisement...

/. editors, please... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965951)

For the love of god, stop snorting so much cocaine before writing a summary. Have some restraint and wait until afterwards.

Re:/. editors, please... (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#43966249)

Just how often do you think /. editors get offered blow to put up a story? They've got to get while the getting is good.

Most days all they get are free, useless books and blowjobs (metaphorical and otherwise) from Dice HR drones.

Re:/. editors, please... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966319)

I think it was an exciting summary. I also feel very confident after reading it, as if I could do anything.

Sexist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43965989)

This has to be the most sexist technology thing I've ever seen. Seriously, Ruby on Rails for girls?

Re:Sexist (5, Funny)

Dahamma (304068) | about a year ago | (#43966187)

Teaching women/girls to use Ruby on Rails isn't so much sexist as downright misogynist and abusive...

Re:Sexist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967699)

Shiat, it's considered torture for either sex. We need to get Geneva involved.

Ruby was a great idea could have been its "improve performance later" motto. Hows that going, now nearly 20 years later? Idiots.

Re:Sexist (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about a year ago | (#43966227)

It's so easy even a girl can do it!

I know for a fact that some girls can even do it right, by deleting Ruby in it's entirety.

Re:Sexist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967373)

This has to be the most sexist technology thing I've ever seen. Seriously, Ruby on Rails for girls?

Well, girls do love precious stones, so I guess it makes a certain amount of sense... :-P

OMG Ponies! (4, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | about a year ago | (#43966011)

Is this the thread where fat bearded forever alone guys make fun of girls doing stuff they do without needing their help or approval?

Re:OMG Ponies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966059)

They also will have to deal with "bronies."

Re:OMG Ponies! (4, Insightful)

SirGarlon (845873) | about a year ago | (#43966105)

If by "make fun" you mean "unleash a torrent of abuse," then, apparently, yes.

sig comment, off topic... (1)

slew (2918) | about a year ago | (#43967549)

The full quote of the origin of your sig... It seems to have a different tone when you read the full context...

Western civilization, it seems to me, stands by two great heritages. One is the scientific spirit of adventure – the adventure into the unknown, an unknown which must be recognized as being unknown in order to be explored; the demand that the unanswerable mysteries of the universe remain unanswered; the attitude that all is uncertain; to summarize it – the humility of the intellect. The other great heritage is Christian ethics – the basis of action on love, the brotherhood of all men, the value of the individual – the humility of the spirit.

These two heritages are logically, thoroughly consistent. But logic is not all; one needs one's heart to follow an idea. If people are going back to religion, what are they going back to? Is the modern church a place to give comfort to a man who doubts Godmore, one who disbelieves in God? Is the modern church a place to give comfort and encouragement to the value of such doubts? So far, have we not drawn strength and comfort to maintain the one or the other of these consistent heritages in a way which attacks the values of the other? Is this unavoidable? How can we draw inspiration to support these two pillars of western civilization so that they may stand together in full vigor, mutually unafraid? Is this not the central problem of our time?

Re:OMG Ponies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966153)

Then let's get this started!

The feminist fantasy always runs the same way. A tough no nonsense woman tries to break in to an all male sphere. To prove herself she must first pass, no, exceed the ridiculous and unnecessarily high standards which men diabolically erected hundreds or even thousands of years ago in preparation for this very day. At first the 1 dimensional macho characters all mock and deride her. But eventually they come to learn that she is every bit as tough as the guys are, in addition to her extra abilities which she has by virtue of being a woman. Ultimately they can’t help but respect her determination and ability, and dare I say it, girl power. She’s “opened the door”, and now women eagerly flood into the previously all male sphere! Roll credits.

Re:OMG Ponies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966243)

Is this the thread where fat bearded forever alone guys make fun of girls doing stuff they do without needing their help or approval?

You would be right, but... Who the fuck uses RoR still? I thought we were over that after the 55th systemic vulnerability finally put the last nail in the coffin...

Re:OMG Ponies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966385)

Who would have thought that "evaling" random URL parameters, HTTP headers or JSON requests would cause security problems?!?

Re:OMG Ponies! (1, Troll)

PhamNguyen (2695929) | about a year ago | (#43966393)

Yeah those guys are a bunch of fat ugly (not that people should be judged by their looks, or we should promite thinness as a body image) pussy faggots (not that there's anything wrong with being a woman, or gay) who can't get laid (not that women are sex objects or we should promote an image of manlyness that involve having sex with lots of women).

I bet these guys are just bitter cause they got bullied in school while all the girls got with the cool kids (bullying's ok when they aren't gay, right?)

Re:OMG Ponies! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966513)

or we should promite thinness as a body image

No, we should be promoting a having healthy BMI as a body image. Being too thin or too fat (obviously the latter is far more common in western society) is unhealthy, and would should not be trying to teach our kids that it's OK to be fat, because it's not if we care about their long-term health and longevity.

Re:OMG Ponies! (2)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | about a year ago | (#43967291)

No, we should be promoting a having healthy BMI as a body image.

BMI is actually a poor measure of health on an individual basis, as it doesn't distinguish fat from muscle. Body fat percentage is what we really need to be aware of. It's hard to measure accurately, though; skinfold or electrical impedance tests can help you track whether your own is going up or down but are hard to accurately translate into absolute numbers.

Re:OMG Ponies! (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43967723)

BMI is close enough for most of the population. Only athletes need to worry about the fat/muscle problem.

However, even back in the 90s, I remember getting body fat percentage tests done which used some handheld electronic tool that (I was told) used IR light to measure the fat, upon being applied to the arm at the bicep. It reported an absolute number. Of course, I have no idea how accurate this really was, but it was used on me in health fairs in college.

Re:OMG Ponies! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966871)

fat bearded alone guy think warsaw chicks hot. must dl video.

The Reason Why Journalists Matter (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966013)

Journaists get a lot of flack, but at least they know how to construct a story. /. contributors on the other hand...

Take the summary - not so much a summary as a prattling mess, that doesn't define its subject and so leaves the reader with no idea what on earth the text means.

Rails Girls: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966019)

The Return of the Prrrl Riot

L2Date (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966033)

Sounds like a front for guys to meet girls.

Slashdot just jumped the shark (3, Insightful)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | about a year ago | (#43966071)

It was fun while it lasted.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966137)

I think it did that long long ago my friend.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966369)

shhhh you spoil his snark...

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

Intrepid imaginaut (1970940) | about a year ago | (#43966717)

Would you say he's jumped the snark?

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966521)

The term "jumped the shark" jumped the shark a long time ago.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (4, Informative)

girlintraining (1395911) | about a year ago | (#43966731)

It was fun while it lasted.

It jumped the shark when they sold out to Dice. Now it's just another stagnating cesspool of hipsters who think owning an iPhone and have installed linux on their old dilapidated computer (and, quickly finding they couldn't do anything with it without RTFM, gave up, much like their collection of unread 'classic' books) makes them geeks. You can tell because when someone posts a well-written but politically unpopular comment, they're modded down, while one liners supporting the party line get +5s, though they're about as intellectually stimulating as a twinky is at being healthy.

Nothing says "mainstream culture" like group think and people patting themselves on the back for regurgitating what the other 'popular people' say. Geeks, real ones I mean, have a wide diversity of opinion and frequently debate endlessly for hours over pointless minutae like whether Han shot first or not or rage over calling the 'higgs' the 'god particle'. In fact, you can usually tell you're in the company of fellow geeks because they're having a grand old time being disagreeable with each other, and in fact make a game out of it! Nothing charms a geek quite as much as vehemently disagreeing about which Star Trek captain was the best... and whipping out slide rules and technical manuals to have a proper go of it. Don't get me wrong though -- it's all faux outrage, with about as much real emotion as telling someone their favorite bands sucks. Yeah, okay, and?

That's the difference. And that's what Slashdot has lost. There's no diversity of opinion anymore... which is another way of saying... there's not very many geeks left on the site... just pretenders...

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (2)

Trilkin (2042026) | about a year ago | (#43967077)

My favorite part about this post was how you derisively call people hipsters then immediately drop this gem:

...and have installed linux on their old dilapidated computer (and, quickly finding they couldn't do anything with it without RTFM, gave up...

That's some crazy cognitive dissonance there. Yeah, how dare people try to use/learn something different in a safe environment rather than subject their main box to the possibility of data loss over something they may well not find any practical use for. How dare they give up when they find almost every resource available on the internet is about as 'friendly' as you are! That attitude is EXACTLY why Linux on the Desktop will never truly go anywhere meaningful as people will perceive all Linux users as unnecessarily hostile dorks who are more interested in perpetuating their circlejerk than actually helping people learn. This comment in general is worse yet, because you're actually giving people shit for trying to teach THEMSELVES something. Then, when they run into a manpage that may as well be written in another language, they ask for help and they get a snide response. You are what's wrong with Slashdot. The fact you actually care about your fucking nerd-point count (karma) is telling enough as to what you're really here for.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967477)

No, as much as you want to reinvent the nerd concept: He is right and you are wrong. Oh and, I know because I see he is the nerd and you the pretender fucking hipster: he doesn't give a shit about linux winning in the desktop over your bitchy MacOS as much as you do or seem to think he does. He just owned Linux because he wanted, he didn't ask for permission and didn't cry in forums about how tough is Linux and because of being tough things will go wrong for it. He manned up, and you are what is wrong with this site, and with Linux, you stinky POS.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967719)

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

theskipper (461997) | about a year ago | (#43967989)

I think you may have missed the point. From my reading, her/his point was that these "hipsters" really aren't geeks per se. Especially in the world of hardware and computing.

By definition a geek is someone who has a strong curiosity in most things that would be considered technical to the layman, primarily what's going on under the hood and creating stuff around it. When you encounter a new black box you spend the time and actually enjoy learning it inside out. It's that drive to know as much as possible that leads to friendly arguments with other people like yourself, and that feedback ultimately serves as a way to figure out and explore what you didn't know (which is a positive!). That's the way it worked in the old days anyway.

To your (rather loud) point, installing Ubuntu then giving up after you realize that the command line is necessary is actually a pretty good test of the "hipster" mentality. Having a Macbook, github account and endless copypasta from stackexchange does not qualify one as a rails guru, or IOS programmer or anything else either. Just someone who is interested in image over substance. Jmho.

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

sysrammer (446839) | about a year ago | (#43967515)

I agree with this posting 100%

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a year ago | (#43967975)

If your premise was true, then the 'real geeks' (RG) mostly likely went somewhere else, since RG are not likely to just drop off the face of the e-Earth. Your theory would thus carry more weight if you identified this alternative(s) destinations for RG.

I suppose the alternative is that /. has grown larger than the total RG population, and now are too much a minority to affect mods "properly".

Re:Slashdot just jumped the shark (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966951)

The amount of bullshit that gets posted here every day and THIS is the post that set you off? Fuck, you were around for Jon Katz, you should have been long fucking gone. No offense but if you're still using something that you think is shit, even though you know it's shit, it's perfectly obvious it's shit, but you're still coming here anyway... Maybe Slashdot isn't the problem. Maybe the problem is looking you in the mirror every morning and you're just doing the same finger-pointing everyone else does...when they don't want to change.

Seriously, it kills me laughing at you old-timers and low-ID users complaining day after day, after month and year, about how things on Slashdot are going down the toilet. As if it's actually going to get through to the editors, that timothy is going to sit down and read your one line critique and go, "you know what, he's right. All these paid articles and retarded bit pieces need to go." timothy will never say that. Ever. timothy gets PAID for posting retarded bullshit on the front page, he gets paid for the people coming here to complain about it. No matter how much you whinge, if it doesn't affect his paycheck at the end of the day, he doesn't give a fraction of a fuck about your opinion.

The post is bullshit. It's a childish, stupid article, even Malda himself probably would have passed it over, good point. Great point. I agree with you 100%. Now are you going to do something about it, or are you just going to bitch and moan about how things just aren't like the "good old days?" As a wise man once said, "one of these lives as a future, the other does not."

Seems a bit sexist to me. (3, Interesting)

DumbMarketingGuy (171031) | about a year ago | (#43966129)

Can you imagine if I set up a 'Rails Whites' group or a 'Rails African Americans' group? This is no different.

Re:Seems a bit sexist to me. (1)

MysteriousPreacher (702266) | about a year ago | (#43966295)

And you'd be helping whites or blacks, if one or both of those groups are under-represented in tech.

Re:Seems a bit sexist to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966433)

And you'd be helping whites or blacks, if one or both of those groups are under-represented in tech.

Funny, that. Around 40% of the people I've worked with over the past decade have been women. I've worked with one black guy.

Re:Seems a bit sexist to me. (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a year ago | (#43966529)

Actually, I've met far more black people (men actually, no women at all) in tech than hispanics, and most of my career was in Arizona which is chock full of them. And of course plenty of women too, though to be fair many of these women were Asian or Indian.

Fangirling Al Gore, then Ruby on Rails? (2)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | about a year ago | (#43966171)

Not exactly moving from strength to strength, there.... Unless "nicheiest fandom possible" is considered a strength.

Equality via Exclusivity? (3, Interesting)

quietwalker (969769) | about a year ago | (#43966339)

I can understand the desire by many to attract more women into the CS/software dev field. I'm just not sure if the right way to do it is to emphasize one-gender-only programs. It seems to erode the basis of one of the more public goals; that women in the CS field be treated as equals with males in the CS field(*), while admittedly fulfilling other goals.

We already know how 'separate but equal' turns out.

I note above there's already a misogynistic note - even though it's just a joke - that some people are only interested if they're naked, so maybe there's a point anyway, at least in the short term.

Re:Equality via Exclusivity? (2)

jeffmeden (135043) | about a year ago | (#43966437)

I can understand the desire by many to attract more women into the CS/software dev field. I'm just not sure if the right way to do it is to emphasize one-gender-only programs. It seems to erode the basis of one of the more public goals; that women in the CS field be treated as equals with males in the CS field(*), while admittedly fulfilling other goals.

We already know how 'separate but equal' turns out.

I note above there's already a misogynistic note - even though it's just a joke - that some people are only interested if they're naked, so maybe there's a point anyway, at least in the short term.

As a point of special interest, it is worthwhile. Women generally have different wants/needs when it comes to events like these, not to mention the obvious benefit of giving attendees the comfort of knowing they won't be going to *another* fucking sausage fest tech conference. And they merely cater to women; men are perfectly welcome (for some definitions of welcome) to attend as well.

Re:Equality via Exclusivity? (0)

loufoque (1400831) | about a year ago | (#43967191)

Of course they have different needs, didn't you see they highlighted the presence of cooking equipment?

This is ugly (0)

Arker (91948) | about a year ago | (#43966577)

We all know how it would work out if someone did something similar to this for men instead.

As you say, separate but equal isnt the way to go here.

I dont agree with this groupthink that somehow women choosing to go into other fields is somehow a horrible phenomenon that "WE" somehow are obligated to remedy. That's bullshit. Most women dont want to be programmers. The ones that do, are not in any way prohibited or locked out of all the same resources the guys use.

So what's the message this group and others like it are putting out? Are they trying to tell us that women arent good enough? They have to have all this special gender-specific help or they will fail? They just arent smart enough? Is that really what they are trying to say?

Cause I think that's bullshit too. Plenty of women I know with plenty of brains. Most of them dont go into programming for perfectly rational reasons - there is something else that interests them more.

If something else interests you more, you should go do that instead. Man or woman, doesnt matter.

Had to read all that crap (1)

Trax3001BBS (2368736) | about a year ago | (#43966347)

to get to the bottom line: "help more women and girls get into programming"

Django Girls (2)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about a year ago | (#43966381)

Django Girls can do it with only two fingers.

Too Expensive. (1)

Graydyn Young (2835695) | about a year ago | (#43966457)

"You just need to be excited!"

That's going to be a problem.

cake and (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966479)

WILL THERE BE BOOBIES?

Rails Girl (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966595)

I went to the first one in Wellington (New Zealand) this last weekend, and had an awesome time. Highly recommended to other ladies! If nothing else, it showed a number of people that ladies can have an effect on how things are built (and what), and that dev was doable, could be fun and interesting, and might even be a career path. A very positive outcome.

And people - if you're going to say [coding language x] is shit, you should say _why_ :)

Re:Rails Girl (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43967855)

c girls, groovy girls, perl girls, java girls, python girls, rust girls, bash girls, awk girls, go girls

When I hear that accent... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966655)

...all I hear is "ear ear ear ear ear". Stop pronouncing the "r" so much at the ends of words!

Anti-Rails Rant -- No Holy (G)rail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43966715)

Rails sucks except for mass-production crank-em-out-cheap "web sweat shops" with a carefully-selected staff.

It's too different from "regular" programming for places with fungible and/or multi-hat staff such that the learning curve is too large. It's the right tool for the right place, but that RIGHT place is not everywhere.

Use the right tool for the job and know your staffing patterns. There is NO one-magic-size-fits-all. It does quite well where it fits well, but the trade-off is that it sucks badly outside of its comfort zone.

Rails Girls (1)

oraclese (1039520) | about a year ago | (#43967143)

What an unfortunate nickname...

Feeling left out (1)

DavidHumus (725117) | about a year ago | (#43967531)

NYC here, feeling slighted not to have been included on the US tour.

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